Talk:Cyrus

Emotionlessness

I'd heard somewhere that Cyrus was emotionless after he touched one of the lake legendaries (i cant remember which one takes emotion) in his early teens, but i didn't want to add it just in case i heard wrong. has anyone heard similar stories?

• Nick_Thelot

That was never stated in the game, and according to those old people in Sunyshore, he was withdrawn since childhood anyway.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

And if Cyrus is emotionless, why does he have a Crobat during the last time you battle him? A Golbat needs to be very happy with it's trainer before it can evolve.--Pokencyclopedia 21:20, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Just because Crobat likes him doesn't mean he likes Crobat. He could have just pretended to like Golbat so that it would evolve. Shiny^?! 21:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

That, or he could have just pumped it full of drugs. That's how one of my friends does ALL her happiness evolutions as quickly as possible.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 17:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

You know, that actually sounds like something Cyrus would do. Give a Pokémon drugs.

... I just hope his Crobat doesn't become a druggie. XD; Tina^☆♥♫ 18:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I need that Carbos, man! TTEchidna^G_SDS! 23:33, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmm...mebbe the Crobat ain't his. THen again...Cygnus doesn't have any badges...Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 13:18, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, he DOES operate from right in Veilstone...and he has big buildings and TV ads, so why shouldn't he have the money to buy lots of Carbos and Protein? TorchicBlaziken ^{(talk•edits)} 17:46, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

The rules for the player's Pokémon don't seem to apply to NPCs, whether it's for moves, evolution, or any of that stuff. There could be a Pokémon that would go on an unstoppable killing spree and destroy the world if it was owned by anything other than a magenta-haired teenage girl who lived at the bottom of the ocean; I guarantee that you'd find that thing, happier and more peaceful than you could possibly imagine, in the posession of a bald, middle-aged man living near the peak of Mt. Coronet. Diachronos 07:31, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Pluto?

Could someone explain who Pluto is? I don't remember anyone called Pluto. --Pokelova 21:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Pluto is the new Team Galactic prof. in Platinum.User:Ultamatecharizard

Move

I am not sure about this but should we move the Cyrus page and convert Cyrus to disambig, since there are two of them. Jmath 06:16, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

The other Cyrus isn't nearly as important to create a disambig. Barely anyone knows about that Cyrus. I'd like to avoid disambiguation if possible. --ケンジのガール 06:20, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Sooo.... when shall we mention his bio in Pokemon Platinum?

^Topic

Weedle Mchairybug 23:11, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Splitting hairs...

...because really, Pluto is just a special classification of planet. It's a dwarf planet. So are Ceres, Eris, and Makemake. TTEchidna 03:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. But...um. What are we going to say the theme naming is? Professionally, we really shouldn't say planet..."heavenly bodies considered planets before the 2006 reclassification" is kind of unwieldy, but I guess it works.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 03:55, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Well it's not like they couldn't've named him Neptune or something. TTEchidna 23:57, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

how come??? --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

No, it's a double negative. He's saying they could have named him Neptune if they wanted to. MidnightCeltic 21:23, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

How

do you know it used Heat Wave? Give me the video link. Happizelpom 22:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I just thinking that Honchkrow being a Dark/Flying type, How it can learn a Fire-type Attack (except Hidden Power)??? so I better remove that. I will still Continue Searching in Youtube and Find about the last move that it used--chungkingpunノ15:22, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

No, it's definitely Heat Wave, which Honchcrow isn't supposed to learn. That cheater. -- Umbee 02:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Move tutor...--^Psychic_Rider^☮ 03:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

The Japanese name for Heat Wave is Hot Wind, meaning anything that can use heat or wind can (supposedly) use it. Not everything CAN, but apparently they have the potential to. Other Pokémon that can learn it are Pigeot, Staraptor, Chatot, Togekiss, Magmortar, Vulpix, and Charizard. Get it?--Chaos Theory 20:04, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

complete and utter irony

did anyone notice that this Cyrus is cuckoo evil and the other one is like really happy and mellow ,now who here thinks that is good trivia?Ultamatecharizard 00:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

"The other one"?--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 05:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I think he means the anime one. I think. --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 05:06, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Anime Cyrus is just more calculating for plot reasons. He'll show his cuckoo evil side soon. TTEchidna 05:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

you mean that happy dude with the Sunflora?

ya he must be crazy ,by that logic Osama Bin Laden was a hippie--Ultamatecharizard 16:03, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I still think it's good trivia why am I putting my name here it's right above?

Trivia about the red chain

Were in the game did it ever say cyrus made the red chain by using the lake trios gems? I always thought he made it out of there energy or something.Darkmaster0 03:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Remember when Team Galactic captured the Lake Trio and took them back to the HQ in Veilstone City. And then you had to verse Cyrus to rescue them.--Clarky13 03:41, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Age?

In Platinum, after Cyrus's revolutionary speech, Looker comments. "Quite a performance, no? Mesmerizing for one only 27 years old.". I don't really get whether he was talking about Cyrus's age or his own age. To be honest, they both look older than that in my opinion. --Maxim 12:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

In that context, he's referring to Cyrus's age. --The Great Butler 01:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Grandfather?

Yeah someone probably mentioned this somewhere. I just want to know if we could add that Cyrus has a grandfather under "Relatives". He's on Route 228 in Platinum. Though he doesn't mention Cyrus by name, it's pretty obvious he's talking about him. I mean, we say Silver is Giovanni's son despite not it being specifically stated in the games, though confirmed in manga. --ケンジのガール 07:32, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

speech

I have no idea how to use a wiki, so forgive me if I'm doing this wrong. Anyway, I was wondering if someone could add his Cyrus' speech from Platinum? It'd be greatly appreciated. --PlanetWalker 10:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

What benefit would having his speech here offer? And where would it go? EDIT-I see we have quotes from him...but I think adding his speed is too much. -Sketch 11:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, it would probably make the pre-battle quote understandable, as people would get confused with what the speech is. Weedle Mchairybug 11:04, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

DP150's Dialga & Palkia

Are these 2 the same Dialga & Palkia from the movies? I ask because when I hover over Dialga & Palkia, it redirects me to the Dialga(Anime) & Palkia(Anime). User:BAC510, 00:12 10, October 2009 (UTC)

We don't know yet. They may be, and yet they may not be. If the Dialga and Palkia in this episode seem to actually recognize Ash, Dawn, or Brock, then they are the same. But if they don't recognize them, then they AREN'T the same ones as the ones in the DP trilogy. I'll try to remove the redirect. Weedle Mchairybug 01:39, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Heart Gold & Soul Silver

Cyrus also appeared in Heart Gold and Soul Silver as far as I saw. Why isn't its battle roster and/or info there? - unsigned comment from MickBooterhood (talk • contribs)

Maybe you confused him with Giovanni?----無限の知性 ◎ ＤＥＮＮＯＵ◆ＺＥＮＳＨＩ 10:20, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

No, I'm more than sure, I've battle it some time behind and even GCPM11 posted it on YouTube. He appears in Ecruteak City in the front of the Gym and he talks to the player that the Team Galactic maybe will rise again in Johto, and when he loses he states that he losed again to another kid. He has an Honchkrow, Tyranitar, Houndoom, Mightyena, Gyarados and Weavile. - unsigned comment from MickBooterhood (talk • contribs)

Fake.----無限の知性 ◎ ＤＥＮＮＯＵ◆ＺＥＮＳＨＩ 10:39, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

[1] Now you believe me? - unsigned comment from MickBooterhood (talk • contribs)

Now I belive even more that it's fake...----無限の知性 ◎ ＤＥＮＮＯＵ◆ＺＥＮＳＨＩ 11:12, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

It's fake. Moving along...Ataro 11:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

E Sound

I think that that bit in the Trivia should be removed as it is outdated as of the release of Black and White, since N's name isn't pronounced with an e sound at the end, obviously. Ghetisis' name isn't pronounced with an "e" as well. Bolter1 02:58, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Gyarados King's Rock

I was playing Pokemon Platinum today and have to doubt that Gyarados in the third battle is holding a Quick Claw but is in fact holding a King's Rock since it used Waterfall and Gardevoir flinched twice. Can anyone else check to verify it is a King's Rock and not a Quick Claw? Frozen Fennec 01:45, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Using Deity/Deities derived terms when speaking generically

What is wrong with using deity/deities or derived terms when speaking generically (no gender connotations that is)?

Jdogno4 (talk) 07:12, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Membership in Team Rainbow Rocket

Considering that at the end of the Distortion World part of Platinum, Cyrus stays, would his membership in Team Rainbow Rocket indicate that he actually escaped, or should we operate on the assumption that, due to USUM acting on a different timeline, Cyrus never ended up in the Distortion World?--Pokemon26 (talk) 19:17, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

We should not assume one way or the other. We don't know what will be revealed. But if I may briefly speak in terms of speculation, alleged leaks have suggested these team leaders have come through Ultra Wormholes from alternate universes where they won. If — IF — that turns out to be true, then that would mean this Cyrus is not the same as the Cyrus from DPPt. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:34, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Age continued

I don’t think Cyrus is 27. I think the line in Platinum where Looker says so is meant to be taken as a joke about Looker not being great at his job. Teolai (talk) 23:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

That feels to me more like speculation than confirmed fact.--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 23:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

You’re right, and I apologize for having added that to my edit. However, I don’t think Looker’s stating Cyrus is 27 “confirms” anything. No other characters have corroborated it and, to my knowledge, no creators have either. And again, given that a running gag within Platinum is that Looker isn’t very competent, I don’t think that line should be taken as confirmation of anything. Teolai (talk) 22:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

In-game text counts as a reliable source. I see no reason to speculate the credibility of what Looker says about Cyrus's age in Platinum. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 23:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

It is important to consider the reliability of the speaker when reading in-game text. However, I'm inclined to agree that there's no indication that Looker is an unreliable source. Are there any instances of Looker saying something that we know for certain is factually incorrect? Storm Aurora (talk) 01:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Going through his quotes page, doesn't seem like it. He just acts overdramatic when first meeting the player, but nothing he says seems like outright misinformation. The most we have is him acting overdramatic and thinking the player has deduced his identity before he's even named himself, but the information he gives about himself during that conversation is accurate. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Cyrus founded and directs a region-wide professional energy conglomerate, with enough wealth, property, and manpower- including a retainer of senior staff- to pose an existential threat to at least the Sinnoh region, if not the world at large. Despite this, no one knows who he is. If he really were 27, he would have had to develop this entire enterprise in under ten years without anyone noticing (and who knows where he got his initial capital). I think it’s far more likely that Cyrus is in his forties or fifties and has been developing both his wealth and Team Galactic over the course of decades, not within like five years of the game occurring. Moreover, and I understand this is subjective, but he clearly looks older than 27. There’s not a single piece of Cyrus art that visually depicts him as being in his twenties. Additionally, the language he uses in-game point toward someone older than 27- I don’t think anyone in real life would talk like him, but if they did, they would likely be older than 27. Finally, and I personally don’t think this is definitive but should be mentioned anyway, both his OG English and Japanese voice actors were much older than 27 when they voiced him. I understand that despite all of this, he may be 27, but I, personally, think it’s far more likely that the character whose schtick is that he’s consistently outdone at his job by a ten year old may have been wrong about this piece of information (for which he provides no evidence or corroboration). Teolai (talk) 15:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Looker being outdone at his job by a child does not mean that he has incorrect information about the organization that he is actively investigating. You may find it unreasonable for someone so young to look like/act like/have done what Cyrus has, but the whole point of Looker mentioning his age is that it is impressive for someone so young to do that. Storm Aurora (talk) 16:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)