Talk:Johto Safari Zone

Time of Day Row?

The tables need a compatible time of day row, because there are changes in encounters for the non-block Pokémon. I tried using the catchheader, catchbar and catchtime templates, but they're all one column too short. --Maxo 18:28, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree with this and can confirm that certain pokemon only appear during certain times. It should also be noted that time only affects areas with no blocks Daemonten 01:40, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean by that? My guide says that Wobbuffet can only be found at night and it requires 10 blocks (Yaminokame 02:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC))

Hmm, Maybe Time does have an affect on block-only pokemon as well. I wasn't sure to be honest. At any rate I went through and updated the templates to include time, and I cleaned up the page so that it at least displays unknowns in the fields I didn't know about. So we now have a time field, hooray. (And the swamp follows the templates now) Daemonten 03:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Five or six sections?

Doesn't the artwork of the johto map show six areas and not five? --DSDark 21:02, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I can only make out five on the scan that I've seen. Maybe you have a different one though... —darklordtrom 21:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, the map shows six areas. And if you look at the screenshot of the area changer, there seems to be something behind the menu. My question is, how did we determine what kind of areas the Safari Zone had? Judging by the info we recieved, I'd assume that the areas weren't really set. -- Ryuutakeshi 17:22, 11 August 2009

well here's a picture i did up that clearly shows six areas and not five --DSDark 01:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

New Image

Do we want a new image on this page? I have a screencap of the safari zone without the menu and it' rather good quality. --Ryuutakeshi 01:27, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Go on then. If it's a fail we can just delete it. —darklordtrom 01:28, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, the link's there. Can't figure out why I can't get the actual image to show.--Ryuutakeshi 01:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

You're meant to upload it onto the Bulbagarden Archives. I'll do it for you. —darklordtrom 01:35, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Got it. Here's the image

--Ryuutakeshi 01:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Guess it wasn't needed.--Ryuutakeshi 01:37, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

All sorted. Please, don't hotlink images directly from photobucket or any other site into a Bulbapedia article. —darklordtrom 01:38, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Roger that. --Ryuutakeshi 01:40, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

something I noticed

My image

the website image

some of the areas are different. Specifically, the bottom center one on the website image. Now, because of that menu I don't know what's behind it, but my image, from a filb.de video, doesn't show that bottom center area. Interesting, no?--Ryuutakeshi 07:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Pokebeach has answers:

"There are 12 unique, default maps in the Johto Safari Zone to switch around and explore for Pokemon. Each map has six zones. You switch around the maps on the computer outside the Safari Zone and can even make your own, though we haven't explored this yet. In HeartGold, we can confirm Geodude, Graveler, Magnemite, Magneton, Misdreavus, Murkrow, Magmar, and Kangaskan are capturable. Some of the Pokemon are encountered more often on specific maps. For example, you can find Koffing, Weezing, Grimer, Arbok, and Ekans far more often on the swamp map. On the planes map, you encounter Girafarig, Rattata, Abra, and Smeargle more commonly than anywhere else (perhaps exclusively for some of them). This information is subject to change as we play through the Safari Zone. Remember, the Kanto Safari Zone has been replaced by the Pal Park." --Ryuutakeshi 08:07, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Paras

I was watching the preview of the safari zone and it shows the player catching a paras - unsigned comment from Grungle7 (talk • contribs)

The pokemon list

Should we add the location column to see what it usually best found in?

I agree since there are so many different sections a Pokémon can be found in and since Serebii presently confirms post-National Pokédex Pokémon I think a list would be a good idea. Till then I won't make any changes on this page. Right now the present one just needs, more Pokémon, the areas of where to look and time of day.-Tyler53841 15:48, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

There's been quite the update on the Safari Zone Section, here's the link for it http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/safarizone.shtml - 12Medbe

Block additions

Can someone update the Pokemon template on here so that we can add block types and numbers for two different types of blocks? I have all the information for the safari zone (Kanto guide) and want to add it, but the template right now doesn't allow adding blocks. This is an example of what the block additions would look like. Can someone add block columns to it? Thanks (Yaminokame 09:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC))

Cliff Area

Pokemon		Location	Block 1		Block 2		Levels	Rate
	Fearow	Walking	---	---	---	---	Unknown	Unknown
	Paras	Walking	Forest	3	---	---	Unknown	Unknown
	Geodude	Walking	---	---	---	---	15-17	Unknown
	Graveler	Walking	---	---	---	---	Unknown	Unknown
	Slowbro	Walking	Water	5	---	---	Unknown	Unknown
	Magnemite	Walking	---	---	---	---	15-16	Unknown
	Magneton	Walking	---	---	---	---	17	Unknown
	Magmar	Walking	---	---	---	---	Unknown	Unknown
	Magmar	Walking	Rocky	10	---	---	Unknown	Unknown
	Wobbuffet	Walking	---	---	---	---	16	Unknown
	Wobbuffet	Walking	Rocky	10	---	---	Unknown	Unknown
	Linoone	Walking	Grassland	5	---	---	Unknown	Unknown
	Wobbuffet	Walking	Forest	56	Grassland	28	Unknown	Unknown
	Lairon	Walking	Rocky	24	---	---	Unknown	Unknown
	Zangoose	Walking	Grassland	12	---	---	Unknown	Unknown
	Spheal	Walking	Water	35	---	---	Unknown	Unknown
	Bronzor	Walking	Rocky	35	Forest	14	Unknown	Unknown

Location

Page says "Northeast of Cianwood City, on Route 48," however, the Johto map shows it as being northwest of Cianwood. Should this be corrected? --Zukiedo (Talk) 08:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Sealeo's Sprite

Sealeo's entry under the mountain area has a Banette sprite. This should probably be changed to a Sealeo sprite, right? Hedgey 22:36, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Block numbers

What exactly are they for? The numbers in the "Block 1" sections of the charts I mean... R.A. Hunter Blade 03:22, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

The block numbers list the number of block items that need to be present in order to get that pokemon to appear. The information on http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/safarizone.shtml is more clear on that for now. Daemonten 01:26, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Mmm... thanks. R.A. Hunter Blade 02:56, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Block Upgrade Notification?

I got a call from Baoba today, and he said something about the catchable Pokémon changing in one of the areas. Now, I believe it was a block upgrade he was notifying me about, but that seems to clash with the info in the article, especially since he mentioned that somehow you could get the original Pokémon back... Anyway, has this happened to anyone else? I thought that if I'm correct, perhaps this should be added to the article. -•Palkiajosh•

Baoba calls when an area has been upgraded. What part is conflicting exactly? (Yaminokame 02:01, 17 April 2010 (UTC))

Actually, now that I've re-read it, none of it does. I think I just misunderstood. -•Palkiajosh•

Inaccurate Maximum Block Upgrades?

There's a guide on GameFAQs (found here) that states:

"After a certain amount of time, Blocks will level up if left in an area. This will allow one Block to count for up to 7."

This would contradict what the article currently says (that the maximum possible value for any given block is 4). Now, normally I would question the guide instead of the wiki, but the guide matches our current data perfectly, as well as lists several statistics which we currently have labeled as "Unknown". The question is, which is correct-- are there only 3 possible upgrades, or is there 6? If I had any other sources, I would personally update the page, but, as it is only one source, I thought it would be better if it were checked out thoroughly by someone besides me. --VW5rbm93bj8/Pw== (dEBMaw==) 17:11, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the article here never mentions that the numbers written on here are the maximum at all. The website you provided is correct, however putting information in this article gotten from them would be stealing from them, which is why I didn't do it a long time ago. The numbers listed on here are the upgrades necessary to get all Pokemon out through blocks. Any day count past that I couldn't prove myself, so therefore is not included yet (until someone who can, adds it) (Yaminokame 01:19, 25 April 2010 (UTC))

Then should we slap an {{incomplete}} template or something on here until we get the info? 梅子^❀_✿ 01:26, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, I probably should have done that earlier but I had never thought about it >.< The only thing I'm afraid of is inviting someone to go copy off of another website :/ Which I guess is bound to happen eventually anyways, so no sense in worrying about it :p I would say it's a good idea :) (Yaminokame 01:30, 25 April 2010 (UTC))

Magmar's Time of Day

Can someone review the time of day Magmar can be captured? I encountered one at 7:30pm/evening, while the current article states only morning/day. (Rt117 23:41, 3 April 2010 (UTC))

Night is 8:00PM to 3:59AM (Yaminokame 02:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC))

Alright. I was confused because the screen was dark as if it were the evening. (Rt117 02:58, 4 April 2010 (UTC))

Trust me, the fact that the timeframes for the parts of day were changed between Generation II and Generation IV threw me off as well. It takes some getting used to the fact that Generation IV starts the night phase at 8 PM instead of 6 PM as it was in Generation II. --Shiningpikablu252 03:47, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Questions regarding Block Upgrades

I'm having trouble understanding some things about the description of Block Upgrades. Can anybody clarify the following points?

• What does "days used" mean exactly? Does the block just need to be placed in the area, and in case I take a month-long break from playing, the 30 days will still count for the upgrades? Or does is count on how many different days I entered the area?
• Do the upgrades count per block, or per block/area? If a block has been upgraded in the Peak area, and then gets moved to the Desert area, will it be back to level 1 there, or keep its level?

Anke 12:06, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

From my experience, Block Upgrades count the number of days you've entered the area; that is, you have to go to the Safari Zone and find a Pokémon in that area each day until it upgrades. Also, the upgrades definitely count per block/area, although I'm fairly certain that all plains-blocks, water-blocks, etc. in an area are upgraded at the same time (So it doesn't really matter whether you use all stumps or both stumps and branches, for instance). I can see how the page is confusing in that respect, as it took me a while to figure out all the details as well. Perhaps the wording could be changed? --AndyPKMN 13:28, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I was able to catch a Riolu today. But the thing is that I didn't go to the Safari Zone very often. So that means Blocks will be upgraded over time instead of by the number of days you visit the Safari Zone. --Arima 23:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I also suspect this is calculated by the days on which you've resumed/played/saved your game (as opposed to actual Safari Zone visits, or the clock in general). I am currently trying to attract Riolu to my Safari Zone as well, and while I have yet to hear Warden Baoba calling me to tell me about Meadow upgrades (though he's called once or twice to inform me of Mountain or Forest upgrades), I nonetheless can verify double effectiveness of my Meadow blocks at this time. On a related note, I wonder how is it decided when Baoba calls? Does he call every ten days (per area), or only when the upgrade actually attracts a new Pokemon? There might be a possibility for the latter: His dialogue claims the area's pokemon have "changed", and he'd have no reason to call if you haven't placed at least one attracting block in the area to effect a change with. ----Stratelier 03:22, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Question about the DS clock

Can you just set the DS clock ahead and catch pokemon that need days to appear in the area? If so, should we add it to the trivia section? Borg184 23:47, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so, as I think the games have a sort of system that disallows it, like the Pal Park system or the swarm system. I think it might treat it as if it's still the same game day in the same way of the aforementioned swarm system. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 23:50, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Darn. Then how else can I get a Beldum :P Thanks though Borg184 23:54, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

The event to download the Winner's Path Pokewalker courseis running right now for the American and PAL versions. It's where I caught mine. Anke 09:36, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

The article might help you out... ;) —darklordtrom 09:41, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Blocks not adequately explained

In the section talking about blocks, I don't think the meaning of "blocks" is ever conveyed. It's stated what can be done by the use of blocks, but I don't think without a definition of a "block" a reader can adequately understand this section's meaning. Chum 01:37, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Images of sections

Would it be asking too much to get some images of the 12 Areas? Even if they're blown up version of the images you used for the shifting of the Safari layout? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 03:21, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Which is right?

• To catch a Riolu, Marter's Safari Zone Guide at GAMEFAQS says to plant 10 Forest and 14 Rocky Blocks then wait 70 Days.
• To catch a Riolu, this article says to plant 28 Forest and 42 Rocky Blocks.

Marter's Safari Zone Guide:[1]

--Arima 22:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

After 70 days the forest and peak blocks are both worth triple, so they can actually both be right. 10*3=30, which is the minimum needed for 28 blocks, and 14*3=42. The difference is that this article has the requirements, while that guide has the instructions. Since only 30 blocks can be placed, it's impossible to actually place 42 blocks. Once you've waited 70 days, the peak blocks become worth three, so it is actually possible to reach the total required. (the forest blocks are worth three after 60 days). Werdnae (talk) 23:05, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Trapinch

I caught one in the desert area (lv 46) with only 28 small rocks. I don't want to do any edits, though, because I don't know what the real number is.--Frankjohnson123 03:47, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Forgot to mention, I had just added them that day.--Frankjohnson123 03:49, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

According to people on GameFAQs, the number of days it takes to double the blocks is based on the number of days the area has been active in the Safari Zone, not the number of days since the blocks were placed, even if you don't go to the Safari Zone. So if the Desert has been one of the six accessible for the past 30 days then the blocks you are placing will each be worth two. 28*2=56, more than the 49 required. In my experience though, it should be that Boaba may call to tell you of the upgrades. I'm pretty sure I never got a call from him about that, and I've tested, and I definitely have several upgrades. Werdnae (talk) 04:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

That's useful info anyway, thank you, but I just added the desert that day as well. I also never switched days on my DS in case that has anything to do with it.--Frankjohnson123 19:53, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Had it ever been active before then? The upgrades don't go away if you remove the area from the Safari Zone. Werdnae (talk) 20:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

That must be it, then.--Frankjohnson123 00:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

New Catch Template Design

While things are going smoothly with upgrading the design for the catch templates, but the question is that it would be more complicated to do here, namely with the (Block 1) and (Block 2) designs on the old template. Besides that, there are no other questions I have to make about this. -Tyler53841 20:18, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Metang without the waiting

Today I used the Safari Zone for the first time (excluding Baoba's 2 challenges). I placed 15 Small Rocks in the Mountain Area to find a Lunatone. I also managed to encounter 8 Metangs (Didn't manage to catch any though). How is this possible? I have never placed an object in the Safari Zone before today, although it would be at least 100 days since I received the objects in the first place (I took a prolonged break). KrimsonEagl 01:47, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

The number of days is how long the area has been active (i.e. one of the visitable six) and it doesn't matter whether the blocks are placed or the safari zone is visited. Werdnae (talk) 02:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Is there an easy way to find out which 6 areas I had 100+ days ago? Or will I just have to use trial and error? KrimsonEagl 08:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, good luck catching one. Metang have the lowest possible catch rate, tied with legendaries such as Ho-oh and Lugia. It was a cruel trick of Game Freak's to stick them in the Safari Zone. >_< --Andy^P_K^M_N 12:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't think there's any place where the days are listed. You'll just have to test it with trial and error if it matters for a particular area. Werdnae (talk) 19:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Slowbro

I found a Slowbro at peak without any waterside blocks. I don't want to edit anything without permission so just wanted to let ya know. Mewtwomaster 20:05, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

  Also, in the Rocky Beach, the level of Slowbro isn't 17 when you have 3 peak. I have 4 plains, 8 peak, and 18 forest
right now and I'm seeing lvl 42 Slowbro. Machtung 17:26, 24 January 2011 (CST)

Block upgrade times

Since there's ten days between each block upgrade, does anyone have any idea why it takes 80 for the Waterside ones to go up, but it takes twenty more (up to 100) for the Forests to upgrade again? Is this an error or is there actually that ten day gap? Salix 08:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I think it's an error, but I'm not sure. --SnorlaxMonster 09:38, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

"Other" blocks

What do blocks classified as "Other" count for, if anything? I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!! 23:36, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Bait/Mud Mechanics?

Anyone know how much the bait/mud affects the catch rate and flee rate? Porygon-man 01:37, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

I believe this was discussed under Talk:Catch rate -- roughly speaking, I think it's Bait multiplies the catch rate by 1/2 (1/3, 1/4, etc.), while Mud multiples it by 2x (3x, 4x, etc.) Similar logic probably applies to the flee rate, though I'm not finding any mention of what a species's base "flee" rate is. (I'm currently hunting Murkrows, and boy do they spook easily.) --Stratelier 06:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Misdreavus time of day

I found a Misdreavus at 3:18 PM and i am wondering why when it says it can only be found at night American Dude 19:33, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

The HGSS strategy guide says that Misdreavus is more common at night, but can be found at all times of day. Could someone confirm? --Andy^P_K^M_N (talk) 20:35, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

I found a Misdreavus at 12:20 PM, i am also playing American Soul Silver Ramdonperson 16:26, 17 June 2011 (UTC)ramdonperson

Bait and Mud when the Ball Breaks

This is something that's been bugging me for a very long time. Do the bait/mud stages reset when a Pokémon escapes from the ball? I've been hunting Seaking, and after two muds and a broken Safari Ball, they break out of any other balls I throw, while throwing more mud makes them run (usually after the first mud). Porygon-man 04:38, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Area Combination Customization

• Shouldn't it be mentioned that the ability to customize the combination of the six areas isn't available until the day after the first challenge is complete? I didn't even know that until I checked here under "customisation". ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 04:39, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Trapinch 2

Hey, I found a Trapinch in the Desert Area, and I only had 7 peak blocks, with the area fully upgraded. 7 x 4 is 28, so Trapinch can't be found with 50 peak blocks. Porygon-man (talk) 02:28, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Clock Question Mark II

What happens if I have 2 NDSs, with one set a year into the future. Would I be able to skip the wait this way?Hypershock (talk) 03:28, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Seviper

How do you get Seviper to appear in the Safari Zone? Serebii says that it will appear by placing 18 Plains blocks in the Marshland and waiting 10 days but when I went to check, I never encountered one. Am I missing something? Poke'fan07 (talk) 18:22, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

You need to upgrade the Marshland Area at least once, so that plains blocks count for double the standard value (i.e., 18 plains blocks give you a plains block value of 36, which is just over enough to attract seviper). The way in which area upgrades work, however, is a bit weird. It's not as simple as just placing the necessary blocks in the area and waiting 10 days. You can place any block(s) in the area, and you then have to actively start up the game (and save) on 10 separate (but not necessarily consecutive) days. After this, the area will be upgraded permanently, forever doubling the value of any future plains blocks placed in it. You can do the same thing again to gain further upgrades, which increase the value of other block types. Pale Prism (talk) 22:27, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh okay, thank you for explaining that. Everywhere I looked at never mentioned that, so that was some actual help. Do you have to wait for the warden to call you that new Pokémon are in the Safari Zone or do the appear once those conditions are met? I never really used this Safari Zone before, so I'm new to it. Poke'fan07 (talk) 22:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

I can't quite remember, but I don't think that you have to wait to be called by Baoba for the upgrade to take effect. He will call you if you meet the upgrade criteria, but it's pretty easy to miss his call (e.g., if you change location just as he calls you, if you're in an area that doesn't have any signal or if your gaming session doesn't last long enough for any NPC to randomly call you). Sadly, I don't think that there's any in-game indication as to which Safari Zone areas have already been upgraded, so you might just have to make sure that you've fulfilled all of the criteria yourself and then just try a bunch of wild battles to see if seviper appears. Pale Prism (talk) 23:29, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thank you very much for the help. Poke'fan07 (talk) 00:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Reformatting the encounter tables

I'm in the middle of organizing the encounter tables into a comprehensible format, and figured I'd edit the page with my results once I'm finished. However, the tables seem to be a bit disorganized. I have no idea how to make/edit tables on here, so would someone be willing to format them into the same style other pages have? These would be sorted by walking, surfing, and fishing. The only difference would be, instead of a Games column, we could have the two block columns. The information I'm using for the encounter tables can be found here: https://sites.google.com/site/pokemonslots/gen-iv/safari-zone. One key takeaway is there are seven block score levels instead of just four, found under the Block Scores tab. Excalibur0126 (talk) 13:18, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Move?

To match the Pokémon League articles, should this and the other Safari Zone articles be moved? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:11, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Wrong and missing encounters for every zone

Hello, after much work extracting data from the games I've been able to determine the encounter rate for every block, the current data (which I don't know the source of) is only correct in the walking encounters but the surfing and rod encounters are missing time of day distinctions, worst of all, there's a complete separate table for every method in every zone after the national pokedex, and it has many exclusive pokemon that are not currently being displayed, if someone could help me correct all this data I'd be grateful. - unsigned comment from SimplyBLG (talk • contribs)

Area Upgrades

So, the article says: 'The day counter for each active area of the safari zone is not related to the internal game clock. In order to achieve area upgrades, the player must actually play the game on different days to increment the counters.'

But I've been playing Soulsilver recently (after doing a replay early last year and then putting it down for several months), and I've noticed that not only did the active Safari Zone areas immediately upgrade on the same day I booted the game up again, but they are now at the max level with each block being worth 7 points. I tested by placing blocks in every active area to encounter spawns that would verify, so I'm certain they're maxed out.

This would seem to suggest that the game *is* looking at the internal clock, because I am 100% certain I did not play the game on 250 separate days after unlocking block-placing. Has anyone else noticed this, or could someone equipped to verify my testing do so? It'd be nice to have fully accurate info on this and maybe save some folks time & effort in future :> Driftin Soul (talk) 07:13, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

One full year later but I've tested it. Indeed it IS tied to the clock.

Test 1, save file on day 9, played on my DS lite. Day rolls over to 10 while I play, making sure not to save. I receive the upgrades call from Baoba at 00:17. Successfully find a Spinda.

Test 2, I just reset without saving on day 10and without changing the clock. Go straight to the Safari Zone. It still is day 10 on my DS. Don't receive Boaba call but Spinda does Spawn.

Test 3, try on my 3DS with same date and time as my DS. Spinda doesn't spawn.

Test 4, change my 3DS clock to day 9 and let it roll over to day 10 ingame. Check at 00:02 and Spinda still doesn't spawn.

Test 5, change my DS clock to day 9 23:59. Let clock move forward to 00:02 ingame. Spinda doesn't spawn anymore.

Definitely, the Safari Zone is tied to the DS clock just like the Pal Prk.

Shadowpanic (talk) 15:01, 27 March 2024 (UTC)