Talk:M02

Mew?

There's a small cameo of Mew. Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjTc-XXKLyw&feature=related at 8:11 Rodyn 21:12, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

U have a good eye! I found it too!--KukiTalk 21:20, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Huh? I can't see it... Are you talking about that pink thing standing with all the Pokémon at the left? Because if so, it's poor quality but it looks more like a Jigglypuff. Did I miss something? --electAbuzzzz ^(TALK) 21:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, and the head shape can't be a Jiggly--KukiTalk 21:54, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's too big to be Mew. This video is very low quality, if someone could look on the DVD maybe it would clarify it. But I really doubt a Mew cameo would go unnoticed for almost a decade... --electAbuzzzz ^(TALK) 21:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

No it definitely is Mew--KukiTalk 22:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry guys, its Jiggly. I have it on tape. plus, its to big to be Mew! and look at those eyes! Mooites 22:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

NO, look @ the LEFT Side. That head can't b Jigglypuff's!--KukiTalk 22:39, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Kuki, if a guy with a tape says it's Jiggly, than it's Jiggly. Surely he didn't just MISS the left one. It definitely looks like Jiggly to me. --electAbuzzzz ^(TALK) 22:49, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

The pink @ the right is Jiggly--KukiTalk 22:49, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I know. They both are. This argument is silly. --electAbuzzzz ^(TALK) 22:51, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Pause it. Look @ the head ahapre of the left pink Poké. Get bak to me--KukiTalk 22:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah... I forgot to specify specifically where it was. Like Kuki said, it's on the left of the screen, RIGHT next to the Venusaur. Rodyn 22:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Ugh. When you say low-quality, you mean low-quality.

Anyway, I saw a Cubone that could probably be mistaken for Mew. At least, at that resolution. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 23:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Martonimos has a point. And Mew can move around in the air, so y would it b standing with Pokémon who can't?--KukiTalk 23:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

An easter egg, I'm assuming. Rodyn 23:15, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I know which one you meant, Rodyn. It's still a Jiggly. Not a Mew. They both are. I'm repeating myself here. And Kuki, don't change other people's comments, even if they're badly worded. This isn't the first time you're doing this. --electAbuzzzz ^(TALK) 23:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure they're talking about the thing I think is Cubone, man.

By the way, I assume you're talking about what happens around 8:10 in that video (so nobody else has to watch the whole frakkin' thing to find it)? And I'd also like to add that there are two of the Cubone/Mew thing; one on the left near Venasaur, and one on the right near Parasect, nearly hidden by the edge of the cliff. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 23:18, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, yeah, now that I've looked at it for about 5 minutes straight, I can see the round shape to it. Definitely a Jigglypuff. And here I thought I found some hidden easter egg that almost no one discovered... Rodyn 23:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

But what about the Cubone/Mew?--KukiTalk 23:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

That's what I'm referring to. And I tossed out a lot of my movies, Pokémon ones included, a few months ago to clear space. So it's unlikely I'll be able to get to double-check first-hand. Rodyn 23:39, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Its CUBONE! I just re-watched it on tape and paused it to look closeley. You can see it's little eye holes. sorry, it did look like Jiggly to me at first.. so CUBONE! Mooites 02:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

It is cubone.You can see the Skull and the eye holesDCM

Itdefinitly isn't Mew. It is either Cubone or Jigglypuff. More likely Cubone, as it can't swim nor fly, unlike the other two.Nintendofan146B 20:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so I've got it paused right here and those things don't look anything like Jigglypuff to me. It couldn't be Mew, so it must be Cubone with only the head shown. Or maybe this person just added them. I'll have to look at my tape of it to be sure (too bad I won't visit my grandparents house where the tape is until the summer.)--Starlight_the_ampharos 21:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Charizard

So, apparently it aired just before Charizard Chills. I don't remember Charizard being disobediant in the movie. Does this mean that Charizard cared more about the fate of the world than it cared about Ash (at least at the time), so it was willing to get off its lazy *** and help Ash get to Ice Island; or does it mean that they pulled a Mewtwo's Counterattack in Japan again - releasing the movie before where it actually belongs? For those who don't know what I mean, in Japan, Mewtwo Strikes Back was released prior to all the Mewtwo Cameos in the anime. Thus the link-ins with the Movie, scenes that we all saw before the movie came out, such as Gary losing to Mewtwo or Mewtwo destroying the Rocket HQ near Pallet Town, actually appeared in Japan after they appeared in the movie, thus pointing out that the movie's events happened at a later time than at the release episode in Japan.

What does this mean towards Revelation Lugia? Did the Japanese version spoil Charizard's obedience to Ash as seen in Charizard Chills, or was this simply a case of Charizard deciding that he's not apathetic enough to allow the world to die while he sleeps (hey, if Team Rocket was ready to help the Twerp, than I guess Charizard could too, if it meant he could sleep in a still existing world). What do you think? Satosuke 04:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

That makes since to me. Ayla 21:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

What makes sense? Satosuke 23:12, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

"...a case of Charizard deciding that he's not apathetic enough to allow the world to die while he sleeps (hey, if Team Rocket was ready to help the Twerp, than I guess Charizard could too, if it meant he could sleep in a still existing world)."

That. Ayla 00:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it does make sense. I would tend to support that opinion, considering that Mewtwo Strikes Back is seemingly the only Movie released prior to its placing in the anime, and this is the only possible reference to it being after Charizard Chills. Satosuke 05:29, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Satosuke and Ayla here's why:

Point 1: If you watch during the intro the trio decides to release their Pokemon for some fresh air before they reach their destination. This was ultimately a plot device to allow them to showcase the Pokemon, yet if you watch closely, when Ash releases Charizard he shoots a flame in all directions and Ash and Misty both freak out right before Ash recalls Charizard. This is a familiar scenario played out over and over again throughout the Anime prior to Charizard Chills. Frequently Ash would call Charizard, he would immediately shoot a flame thrower (often at Ash) then Ash would think twice and recall him.

Point 2: Charizard has shown that he would do things that benefit Ash, if Charizard wants to. The most obvious example being defeating Magmar and enabling Ash to win the Volcano badge for the Indigo League. On top of that, as has been noted, all of the Pokemon were converging to try and help stop the world catastrophe if they could. I believe it is clear that it is for this reason that Charizard seems more helpful then would be expected prior to Charizard Chills.

Point 3: I could be wrong on this one, but I'm pretty sure that Ash never once commands Charizard to do anything (at least not on screen). There are two points where Charizard preforms a helpful act: 1) Charizard is released simultaneously with Squirtle and Bulbasaur. All 3 of them (plus Pikachu) try to break Moltres free, but Ash never actually asked any of them to do anything but to "go". 2) The second act is pulling Ash's sleigh, where once again no command was given. Ash looks at the wrecked boat, then suddenly they are already moving quickly. Obviously Charizard must have been cooperative or Ash would have never gotten a rope tied around him, but still we never directly see him "obeying Ash" which is what Charizard never once did prior to Charizard Chills.

Based on these 3 points there is no doubt in my mind that this move takes place prior to Charizard Chills and since it was released between the episodes Bound For Trouble and Charizard Chills that this should be it's place in the time line. ~Dinner4JC 13:30, 03 November 2008 (UTC)

Corsola

Hello, I think I saw a Corsola in this movie. During the segment involving "The Guardian's Song", there is a part where all the Pokemon are swimming under the Beast of the Sea, and I thought I saw a Corsola on the Gyrados' head, can anyone clarify it for me? - Robbie Newton

Post your talk sections at the bottom of the list. Also, timestamp your posts with the four tildes (~), rather than just putting your username. That said, I highly doubt that Corsola was in the movie, and you probably had a similar moment to where I thought I saw Delibird in Holiday Hi-Jinx. It's easy to mistake watching back at old movies and episodes after you've seen the new Pokémon, because your may mind associate the new Pokémon in the same grouping as the old. That said, GenII Pokémon did start showing in the VERY FIRST EPISODE, so it is POSSIBLE, though IMPROBABLE, that you saw right. Good luck on the confirmation. Satosuke 04:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, watched it on DVD and I was mistaken, it was just the way they had drawn the fin on top of Gyarados' head. RobbieNewton 14:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Pokemon thee Movie 2000

Where i live it's called "Pokemon the Movie 2000" Should that be mentioned? (GT4GTR 02:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC))

The alternate title is mentioned...in the first line of the article. Lucentas 02:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Pikachu/ Latias

Pikachu becomes the second Pokémon to steal Ash's hat in the film, and Ash behaves similarly to the way he did in Primeape Goes Bananas. However, when Latias steals his hat in Pokémon Heroes, Ash behaves in a more mature and friendly manner. Does this last statement really belong here? This is three movies before Pokémon Heroes takes place! Kiryu 00:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

error

"Ash could have given Professor Oak the GS Ball... However, it is likely that this was done on purpose" I think this is not really an error. if i remember correctly, when ash is with professor oak, he does not have his bag with him. so the gs ball might be in his bag so he could not give it. alternatively, professor oak did not ask for the gs ball too... he left before ash can give it to him. so i think the gs ball is in the bag and professor oak does not want to wait for him to get it? just my opinion -Pokeant 16:47, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Something which may be considered an error is the fact that the 3 Legendary Birds, as they appear in this movie, are approximately 3 times their actual size. Though Lugia seems to be the right size (about 17 feet long) or slightly smaller (compared to Ash), Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres are shown to be about the same size as Lugia, even though their pokedex entries list them as 5'7", 5'3", and 6'7" respectively. Though this may be a factor of why Lawrence III's computer called them 'unique,' it is not acurate to the pokedex or other depictions of the Legendary Birds. Legionaireb 20:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Canon

Is this movie Canon?--Darknesslover5000 02:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes. I'd say this movie has to be canon, because in the Master Quest episode, "The Mystery is History", Ash mentions having seen a Lugia before. He says, "I saw one once in the Orange Islands." =) And I think Team Rocket comments on that too. --PokemonTrainerLisa 12:57, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

card

what about the mew on the rare ancient mew card--Ash0011 01:30, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Area

This page needs to link to its setting.Jdrawer 22:59, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

The page links to Shamouti Island in the summary. --HoennMaster 23:07, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Timeline

The events of this movie happen between the episodes Charizard Chills and The Pokémon Water War, though it premiered in Japan between Bound for Trouble and Charizard Chills.

What evidence is there for this? Also, if you mark Ash's Journey on a map, it makes more sense for it to be betweeen Bound for Trouble and Charizard Chills.

XVuvuzela2010X 09:23, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

There's also the obvious fact that Charizard listens to Ash in the movie, which means that it has to have come after Charizard Chills. - unsigned comment from Toon Ganondorf (talk • contribs)

^Bingo. Charizard listens to Ash during this movie. It only makes it logical to take place after Charizard Chills, regardless of what path makes more sense. --HoennMaster 17:01, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually, another user has raised some good points regarding Charizard (specifically the first point);

Point 1: If you watch during the intro the trio decides to release their Pokemon for some fresh air before they reach their destination. This was ultimately a plot device to allow them to showcase the Pokemon, yet if you watch closely, when Ash releases Charizard he shoots a flame in all directions and Ash and Misty both freak out right before Ash recalls Charizard. This is a familiar scenario played out over and over again throughout the Anime prior to Charizard Chills. Frequently Ash would call Charizard, he would immediately shoot a flame thrower (often at Ash) then Ash would think twice and recall him.

Point 2: Charizard has shown that he would do things that benefit Ash, if Charizard wants to. The most obvious example being defeating Magmar and enabling Ash to win the Volcano badge for the Indigo League. On top of that, as has been noted, all of the Pokemon were converging to try and help stop the world catastrophe if they could. I believe it is clear that it is for this reason that Charizard seems more helpful then would be expected prior to Charizard Chills.

Point 3: I could be wrong on this one, but I'm pretty sure that Ash never once commands Charizard to do anything (at least not on screen). There are two points where Charizard preforms a helpful act: 1) Charizard is released simultaneously with Squirtle and Bulbasaur. All 3 of them (plus Pikachu) try to break Moltres free, but Ash never actually asked any of them to do anything but to "go". 2) The second act is pulling Ash's sleigh, where once again no command was given. Ash looks at the wrecked boat, then suddenly they are already moving quickly. Obviously Charizard must have been cooperative or Ash would have never gotten a rope tied around him, but still we never directly see him "obeying Ash" which is what Charizard never once did prior to Charizard Chills.

XVuvuzela2010X 19:44, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Even though i really support the "betweeen Bound for Trouble and Charizard Chills" route, these two routes below is possible too. -Pokeant 10:29, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

OK, but what reasons would there be for it to take place in either of those orders? XVuvuzela2010X 10:40, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Well actually no. but if it is really after charizard chills, picture 1 would not make any sense. this two routes makes more sense for it to take place after charizard chills in my opinion. so there is no reason actually... -Pokeant 12:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't want to sound rude, but you can stop making up those maps because Location doesn't have much do with movies at all. A few movies have taken place far away from where Ash should be in the anime (Movie 1, Movie 5, Movie 6, Movie 9). So the route Ash took through the Orange Islands has nothing to do with where the movie takes place. It doesn't matter that Ash didn't give Charizard an official command. It helped Ash twice in a short amount of time, that's something it never did. And it shot fire in random directions even after it started to obey Ash. Not as much, but it still did on some occasions. --HoennMaster 17:00, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

I only made the first two, but I will get them deleted. Perhaps it would be better to say

The events of this movie happen sometime between the episodes Bound for Trouble and The Pokémon Water War, though it premiered in Japan between Bound for Trouble and Charizard Chills.,

until we get some official confirmation (if possible, like we had with Arceus's 'forms')? XVuvuzela2010X 00:32, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Incomplete?

What is about it? --☆ヨッシ ー の世界☆ 23:47, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Name of the Elder

The name of the elder (the guy with the mustache who tells the prophecy) isn't revealed in the movie. However, in the Pokémon the Movie 2000 Trading Cards published by Topps, he is named "Tobias." I found pictures of all the cards from that set (I can provide the link, but I wasn't sure if there might be some legal issues... about a non-official site posting pictures of the cards...?). Is this enough to start a new "Tobias (Orange Islands)" article, or should I just add it as trivia in this article? Bulbajer 01:59, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

If you don't want to provide the link, email it to me or another staff member so we can verify this. —darklordtrom 02:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

It's okay, I just wasn't sure if I was allowed to. I searched for the site on this wiki and found one result, so I'm assuming it's ok. [1] Bulbajer 17:19, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Specifically, it's this card: [2] Bulbajer 17:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I also recall him being called Tobias in some Polish DVD material. --Maxim 17:27, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Awesome. Make sure to include in the article where his name was sourced from, since it wasn't mentioned in the movie. —darklordtrom 22:44, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks. Maxim, is it alright if I mention the Polish thing? Bulbajer 22:46, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Early promotional art?

I was just wandering on the internet when I found this. As you can see, Articuno's tail was much longer, there were some mayan looking buildings, Lawrence's Palace was different and Melody didn't played an ocarina. Can we consider this artwork legit? --Gabo 2oo (talk) 19:38, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

"Krabbys"

In the Errors section it mentions that Meren refers to multiple Krabby as Krabbys. While normally this could be seen as a mistake, it seems more like she's telling a joke. The full line said by Maren is "And she said, 'No, but I have Krabbys'." Seems more like a joke about STDs than the plural being wrong.- unsigned comment from Ultramadscientist (talk • contribs)

That is the joke, but Pokémon are also not pluralized with an -s. Ignoring in-world rules for the sake of a joke is indeed an error on the writers' part. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:08, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Jessie and James

Hello, just curious but can someone tell me at what point in the movie their ages were confirmed to be 25??RBK (talk) 00:59, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't know what part of the movie, but it's in the Japanese version only. Voila. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:38, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Slowking's Day

In this article for the movie it says that "Slowking's Day" was released alongside the movie in Japan. However, the article for Slowking's Day itself says it was first shown on January 1, 2000. Surely only one of these can be correct? The Slowking's Day article also says that it was "intended" to be an extra for this movie, implying that this plan was not ultimately carried out, which again would contradict this movie article. Do we have any official sources on this and can update either this article or the Slowking's Day article? Kidburla (talk) 01:37, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Dub edit

In the Swedish dub, Misty says that "Ash är engelska för aska. Is this what it means when it says "The Danish, Finnish, Latin American, and Brazilian dubs each opted for a full local translation with Misty translating the local word for "ash" to English, the name of the movie's protagonist."? --Raltseye prata med mej 13:34, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Proper placement in anime timeline

Considering that Charizard is obedient to Ash in this movie, I want to know once and for if this movie takes place before or after Charizard Chills. I say this because I'm creating a crossover series where some anime characters and some OC characters go through the entire Pokémon timeline. So, what's the proper placement of this one? --Baldwin17 (talk) 21:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)