Talk:Tao trio

This page is all messed up, none of the dragons learn hammer arm, and at level 80, all of the dragons learn Outrage. Pialga92 00:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)Pialga92

Looks like someone was copying the list from the Raijin trio and stopped midway. ~ solaris 00:51, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

That was me, though I was working on it under User:Si6x12/Energy dragon Trio and then someone moved it before I finished don't blame me please D: --Si6x12 02:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Is Kyurem confirmed as part of this Trio? :O I do agree that it's very likely it is though. --♪ Jason Tong ♪ 04:31, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Kyurem's obvious after Rayquaza and Giratina. TTEchidna 04:53, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

RENAME

Yin-yang trio. Yes? TTEchidna 19:09, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

that would only work for Reshy and zekky....I say Balance Dragon Trio Ataro 19:11, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Get rid of Dragon, that's cumbersome and overspecific. Just "Balance trio" would be good. --- unsigned comment from AndyPKMN (talk • contribs)

Yeah I like the sound of "Balance Trio" Gengarzilla 21:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

• jumps to the page* Tao dragons, Tao trio. Yin, Yang, and Wuji? It's Taoism. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 21:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Tao trio would be ideal, except I think it might be too deep to catch on. Then again, Musketeer trio has seemed to replace the godawful "Deer trio" as the name of choice, so Tao trio might catch on after all. Additionally, it's better to be accurate than accepted, which is why we have "Legendary Beasts" rather than dogs, cats, wildebeests, or whathaveyou. --Andy^P_K^M_N 22:37, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Enough of this foolishness! Energy Dragon? Really? I understand where your comin from, but that is a no no. The Ying Yang trio makes more sense, however-Tao Trio makes more sense since ying and yang doesnt include wuji. I request a vote.--Shaymin Master426 17:18, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll go for Tao Trio, or anything, over Energy Dragon. Otherwise rename the DPPt dragon trio to Universal Dragon Trio. Megaplex 01:44, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm going for Tao trio as well. Anything with "Dragon" have nothing to do with their myths. --Angela-Samshi 21:52, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay, it's been a month since the last post here... should we put this to a vote or something? If we're going to move the page, lets do it already. --Andy^P_K^M_N (talk) 16:25, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

More Kyurem discussion... (MOVE PROPOSAL)

Quote from the little blurb above the article title as of 10/27/2010: "As you update with Black and White information, make sure it is confirmed. Other fan sites are not reliable sources of information." Boldface not mine.

Kyurem is not confirmed to be related to the other two; for all we know, the third member of the trio could be another Pokémon, or it could just be a duo. I say that the article be moved to "Yin-yang duo" or something else relating to just Reshiram and Zekrom, and Kyurem should be added to trivia as a popular fan candidate to be the third member. Bwburke94 16:50, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

How much confirmation do you need? Look at their learnsets. Look at the Fire-Ice-Lightning motifs. Their theme music is also similar. There are slight dissimilarities between the two mascots and Kyurem, but you have to admit that there are a lot of parallels, just like there were with Rayquaza and Giratina previously. --Andy^P_K^M_N 18:28, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to add that, although it is VERY likely Kyurem is the third member, wasn't this discouraged with Platinum despite Giratina being all but 100% confirmed, as there was a small chance that it may not be Giratina? I'd say add a tag to the page explaining that this trio is not 100% confirmed, but is based on information we have now, just because it seems more professional that way --Shadowater 01:23, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Interesting trivia?

I noticed something. No two members have the same number of claws. Reshiram has four, Zekrom has three and Kyurem has two. Angela-Samshi 19:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Also, should it be noted that they share their types with the legendary birds, the first trio? (Divdax 22:08, 24 November 2010 (UTC))

They have them as their secondary type while the Birds have it as their primary type, though I think it can be said that the "Energy Dragon" trio share their secondary types with the Birds primary types? I also now noticed they're reversed too (Ice/Electric/Fire vs. Fire/Electric/Ice). Angela-Samshi 23:47, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Mythos or Myths?

Is it intentional for the subheading "Mythos" to be called that or is it a typo? --Landfish7 22:34, 12 January 2011 (UTC) Why are we using Mythos rather than Myths or Mythology? --Landfish7 17:57, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

real or fandom

"Another claim is that Kyurem is the corpse of the original Dragon Pokémon after it had split into Reshiram and Zekrom."

Where does it say this I'm intrigued? Vespi_tomb> 17:23, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

There's a story told in BW, which says, there were two kings of Unova, with a single royal dragon, which split into seperate dragons once they started to fight over their ideals. Look at Kyurem, not just is it weaker stat/moveset wise than Reshiram and Zekrom, it also looks weakened. While Reshiram and Zekrom have generators (producing warmth, hence Fire and Electric) on their tails, Kyurem does not. Instead his tail looks like a plug. No generator=cold, hence Ice. This is genious. --Saiph charon 14:44, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Some people say Kyurem came from a comet, some say that it's the corpse of the Original Dragon. I believe that both are true, and that the comet people believe to have brought Kyurem struck the leftover shell of the Original Dragon, infusing Kyurem with its Ice powers (comets are made from space dust and ice) and reviving it. Slate Orchid 21:44, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Eye Colors

Should it be added to the trivia that the eye colors of the Tao Trio allude to the three original versions' colors? (Red for Zekrom, Blue for Reshiram, and Yellow for Kyurem?)-- Swagmander 22:58, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't be so sure. The absolute original versions were Japanese Red and Green, with the third version being Blue. It might be worth a mention that they correspond to the colours of the original english/western versions though? Oshawhat? 15:01, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

There are 4 games, not 3. Maybe they did it referring to Outside of Japan games.

I added it to the trivia. It may be removed if it seems irrelevant at this point, but if Kyurem becomes the mascot of the third version in Gen V (as it most likely will) the yellow eyes will further prove a tie to the first gen colors, as Yellow was a third version. -- Swagmander 03:35, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't think the eye colors are referencing each other in a circle at all. Remember that it is not really an all out trio; it's more like Reshiram and Zekrom are a duo, and Kyurem is more of a standout in the middle(this applies with the other 670 BST+ "trios" as wel as the "Kami trio"). If anything, Reshiram's blue iris and black(as opposed to white) sclera are a reference to Zekrom's blue electricity and black color, while Zekrom's red iris and white sclera (the pupil is still black, but I think the pupil always has to be black in most cases) reference Reshiram's white color and fire. It's unknown what Kyurem's yellow eyes allude to(note that parts of Kyurem glow yellow a little when it does it's animation in Pokedex 3D).SunFlareO0 15:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Similar Name Endings

Is it worth noting that the trio have 'Ram', 'Rom' and 'Rem' as the ends of their names? They seem too similar for it to be pure coincidence. Perhaps it shouldn't go into the Trivia without providing some sort of reason for this, but maybe it's worth researching? I've looked around and can't find any explanation myself. ----Valkyria (Talk) 23:00, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Elemental fangs and punches

Is it important to add on the travia that the tao trio members share their secondary types with the elemental fangs and punches?

• And burn, paralysis and freeze from their types resemble tri attack. Nickvang 12:12 2 july 2011

God Stone?

Should the God Stone be noted in this article? It is an unobtainable key item in Black/White that is probably related to Kyurem, like the Dark Stone and Light Stone being related to Reshiram and Zekrom respectively. ZMT123 04:51, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Do you have any proof that it's related to Kyurem? ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 04:53, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

There is no proof that I know of, but it seems related because of its name and appearance. It could be added as trivia. ZMT123 05:01, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

While it most likely is, you'll just have to wait a few months/years if ever it really is. -tc²₆tc26- 05:17, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, so may I add it as trivia? ZMT123 18:41, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I say no. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 18:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Speculation is not allowed. Until there is proof, it must not be added. Ask again when you have proof. Werdnae (talk) 18:50, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Protection

After noticing that the recent bad edits are the result of speculation from the new games, I think this page needs to be recommended for protection to deal with any potential bad edits and therefore decrease the need to revert them. -Tyler53841 07:45, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Trio master

Apparently Kyurem was the trio master, This is not offense, but I don't think some could be stupid enough not to understand/know this. True story. The whole page should be edited by now --Acellutor 11:19, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

We need further proof before we can acknowledge Kyurem is the master of the Tao trio, it doesn't matter if it "looks like" it is, we are based on facts, not speculation; therefore, the Tao trio does not have a master until proving otherwise. Ad hominem statements aren't arguments nor proof. Masatoshi_talk 11:36, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

The base stats total of both Reshiram and Zekrom is 680, Kyurem's is 660. Unless the new forms are stronger, Kyurem is the trio's inferior. |) u |( e ® 21:25, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't look like the trio master, It is the trio master. That was too obvious to agrue. You're gonna wait until Nintendo/Game Freak confirm Kyurem is the trio master? Which I bet 100% they will. Oh wait, they never mention such thing fron Generation 1 lol. I repeat, this is not speculation, Kyurem is the trio master. That's an obvious fact. And I acknowledge that this isn't my wiki either, so I'll leave out for some other guys to edit "Kyurem is the trio master" for about next six months or so. Thanks for all of your wonderful and stupid statements. --Acellutor 04:53, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Let me give you an example of why we shouldn't take things for granted. Remember when the Unova starters were released? I assumed Snivy would be #494 in the National Pokédex, considering what the other gens gave us, and guess what happened? We, as a wiki aren't supposed to act and pretend things are settled and are supposed to confirm as soon as official information appears on the internet or any other media. We, as a wiki, are neutral and will not post speculation under any circumstances. We, as a wiki assume good faith and are a community. We do not insult fellow users, so I'd appreciate it if you knocked that off. Kyurem, unless proven otherwise, will remain to not be the Tao Trio master. Thank you. Masatoshi_talk 05:51, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I think it's pretty obvious that Kyurem is the Trio master now.ArchedThunder (talk) 22:20, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Overdrive

Each member of the trio has an overdrive mode where the powers of their moves become much more powerful. This seems somewhat important, so should there be a section or at least a mention here about it? MatchMaster 18:45, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Stat Comparisons.

We should not just be showing one form of Kyurem at a time for the stat comparison. We should show all 3 because they are very different. ArchedThunder (talk) 08:52, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

I second that, the Creation Trio has that going on. Show the functionally 5 members of the trio in both moveset and stat comparations. Eriorguez (talk) 05:29, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Kyurem's formes Battle Music difference

Is there any difference between Black and White Kyurem's battle music? If there is, we should probably make note of it in the trivia section. MatchMaster (talk) 22:25, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

B/W "true story"?

From the "Myths" section, could it be said that Pokemon Black is the "true story", seeing as N, who is fighting for his ideal world, catches Zekrom, who sides with the brother who followed his ideals? This could also be extended to your character as well, seeing as N was deceived into thinking everyone abused their pokémon and didn't care about them, but you fought for the truth, which would correspond to Reshiram. Iamjagman (talk) 15:24, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Zekrom Base Stat Listings

I've noticed that the chart lists Zekrom's Speed is listed as 95, despite being 90, so I went to edit this. However in the data, it is actually listed as 90, but it shows 95 when I try and preview it. I tried changing Zekrom's speed to different numbers, but they all display as 95, whatever the number I input. The Base Stat Total is changed in the preview, but the speed stat remains 95. Anyone know how to fix this? ArtistKyurem (talk) 19:55, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

There was an error in the coding of the template itself, it should be fine now.--Cold (talk) 20:30, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

"Confirmed" trio master

"It is so far the only Legendary trio with no confirmed trio master." If I remember correctly, the term "Trio master" is just fan-made; I mean is there any Legendary Pokémon that's ever been confirmed to be a trio master? If not, should the statement be fixed? Or should we make Kyurem to be their trio master, base on the next "According to... Landorus" part? And in relation to that part, is it worth adding that the only way to encounter Kyurem in ORAS is to have both Reshiram and Zekrom in the party, like some other trio masters in some games (especially Landorus in ORAS, since it also require Soaring to a Mirage Spot)? Thanks for your help! --Yen01 (talk) 10:58, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Tao Trio should be capitalized

The title of the article should be changed from "Tao trio" to "Tao Trio", Tao Trio is the name of a specific group of Pokémon, therefore it is a proper noun so both "Tao" and "Trio" should be capitalized not just "Tao" and not Trio.

Mew07777 (talk) 01:06, 16 November 2021 (UTC)Mew07777

Renaming to Legendary Dragons

Reshiram & Zekrom are constantly referred to as the Legendary Dragons in the scripts for Black & White and B2W2, yet the page Legendary Dragons redirects to the page for Dialga, Palkia & Giratina, despite them never being called that in-universe (the trio only being described as "Primordial Chaos" by Arceus in Pokemon Legends). Would it be possible to rename this trio to the Legendary Dragons, as opposed to any of the fanon names that they've been given over the years? - unsigned comment from Lewtwo (talk • contribs)

I only found two references to "legendary dragon(s)", one in each game. (So not "constantly".)

Stop. This is not a suitable place for the legendary dragons!
……だけど！ でんせつの　ドラゴンたちに ふさわしいのは　ここ　ではない！
This happened around when the hero appeared in Opelucid City with the legendary dragon Pokémon.
ソウリュウシティに　でんせつの ドラゴンポケモンを　つれた えいゆうが　あらわれたころの　はなし

I feel like this is mostly descriptive and not necessarily a "name". But anyway, staff are looking at this. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:36, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

I think "legendary dragons" is a particularly poor name, because it's just as likely to refer to Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. And as Tiddlywinks noted, the uses in-game are really just descriptive and not at all attempting to be a name for the group. If anything, "legendary dragons" should be a disambig rather than a redirect (or page title). --SnorlaxMonster 11:47, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

For the record, this move was rejected. A disambiguation page noting all the possible referents would be fine. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:55, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Tao Trio new name

So I want to start a poll/vote on renaming Tao Trio to the offical term, the ‘’Legendary dragons of Unova’’. The main reason as this the closest to offical name for the trio like the cast with Pokémon of Myth and Super Ancient Pokemon. Plus it’s better than just simple the Legendary Dragons and makes more sense and not to be confused with other Legendary dragon Pokémon. Does anyone else agree with my suggestion?--Jacob9594 (talk) 18:44, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

"Legendary Dragons of Unova" comes from the merchandise line, right? It doesn't necessarily parse to me as a title, in the same way "legendary dragons" is used in Gen5 descriptively. I think if we move this page (and similar) pages, we should pick well-established official terms used more than a single time for a merchandise line, because that feels like we're just trying to force a name for the sake of it when it doesn't seem like they're actually interested in giving this group a proper title. If no such official term exists, I would prefer if we used a neutral title like "Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem" or "Relationship between Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem". -Minibug (talk) 18:53, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Understandable the only other otpison we ahge are in terminology are as followe;

• legendary dragons
• legendary dragon Pokémon
• legendary Dragon-type Pokémon
• Legendary dragons of Unova
• Legendary Unova trio
• Unovan Legends

We have different ways of solving it with cloest to offical name or relationship in between thing.--Jacob9594 (talk) 19:45, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

The first three are too vague. Without context, "legendary dragons" could also be referring to Latias, or Latios, or Rayquaza, or Dialga, etc. "Unovan Legends" is also vague as that could apply to any of the Unovan legendaries. The remaining are the only real options and neither really sound like titles and feel more like descriptors. Don't really like Minibug's suggestions either, but we might have no other choice if there just isn't any viable official title.--ForceFire 05:31, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

There is also the translation of the JP fan term "Unova(n) Three Dragons" or "Three Unova(n) Dragons" from イッシュ三龍. Eeveelutionred (talk) 07:42, 9 March 2024 (UTC)