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Doesn't <!-- To whoever is reading this, I apologize for the formatting used to make this link, I'm kind of a newb... --> [[Mew ex (PLAY Promo 7)|this card]] also cause devolution through the use of Mutation in certain situations...? --'''[[Special:Contributions/Zordon123456789mlw7|<span style="color:#8080FF">Azurill</span>]][[User talk:Zordon123456789mlw7|<span style="color:#408080">glow2</span>]][[User:Zordon123456789mlw7|<span style="color:#008000">mlw7</span>]]''' 06:07, 8 April 2012 (UTC) | Doesn't <!-- To whoever is reading this, I apologize for the formatting used to make this link, I'm kind of a newb... --> [[Mew ex (PLAY Promo 7)|this card]] also cause devolution through the use of Mutation in certain situations...? --'''[[Special:Contributions/Zordon123456789mlw7|<span style="color:#8080FF">Azurill</span>]][[User talk:Zordon123456789mlw7|<span style="color:#408080">glow2</span>]][[User:Zordon123456789mlw7|<span style="color:#008000">mlw7</span>]]''' 06:07, 8 April 2012 (UTC) | ||
:I also found <!-- again, sorry --> [[Mew ex (EX Holon Phantoms 100)|this card]] to cause devolution through Devo Crush --'''[[Special:Contributions/Zordon123456789mlw7|<span style="color:#8080FF">Azurill</span>]][[User talk:Zordon123456789mlw7|<span style="color:#408080">glow2</span>]][[User:Zordon123456789mlw7|<span style="color:#008000">mlw7</span>]]''' 06:18, 8 April 2012 (UTC) | :I also found <!-- again, sorry --> [[Mew ex (EX Holon Phantoms 100)|this card]] to cause devolution through Devo Crush --'''[[Special:Contributions/Zordon123456789mlw7|<span style="color:#8080FF">Azurill</span>]][[User talk:Zordon123456789mlw7|<span style="color:#408080">glow2</span>]][[User:Zordon123456789mlw7|<span style="color:#008000">mlw7</span>]]''' 06:18, 8 April 2012 (UTC) | ||
::Added. <!--your formatting is fine for a talk page-->--[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 09:35, 11 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
== XY097 == | |||
Shouldn't the scene in XY097 where Diggersby reverted back into Bunnelby have a mention in the anime section? I know it was a dream, but isn't that pretty much devolution? '''''<font color="#705898"><sub>[[Shadow Sneak (move)|Sneaking]] from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost...</sub> [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengar]][[User talk:Gengarzilla|zilla!]]'''''</font> 23:23, 7 December 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Type: Null == | |||
So... I've been meaning to ask this. Would Type: Null count as a devolution? Given how it started out as Silvally and was then forced to be Null. The reason I bring this up is mainly because of how Gladion's anime segment Pokémon reads 'Silvally → Type: Null → Silvally '. [[User:Pikatwig|Pikatwig]] ([[User talk:Pikatwig|talk]]) 17:10, 4 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
:It is funny that the articles mention that {{p|Silvally}} basically devolved into {{p|Type: Null}} without using this exact term. However, Type: Null started off as "Type: Full", which is pretty much Silvally without [[RKS System (Ability)|RKS System]]. We may have to wait until the "Nebby arc" is dubbed first before we decide if this counts as devolution or Type: Full. [[User:UxieLover1994|UxieLover1994]] ([[User talk:UxieLover1994|talk]]) 22:55, 3 February 2018 (UTC) | |||
:: Silvally has already been confirmed to regress to Type: Null! The best source is the [[SM049]] episode, where we clearly see the Gladion Pokémon saved to Lillie's child on the form of Silvally, while in [[SM037]] the same was on the form of Type: Null. [[User:NanayaShiki07|NanayaShiki07]] ([[User talk:NanayaShiki07|talk]]) 15:35, 10 November 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::Doubtful. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 22:25, 10 November 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::A Pokémon that originally featured in flashback in the anime was previously as Silvally and subsequently became Type: Null is Doubtful? [[User:NanayaShiki07|NanayaShiki07]] ([[User talk:NanayaShiki07|talk]]) 15:35, 10 November 2018 (~) | |||
:::::I think you should add it [[User:Nightfall217|Nightfall217]] ([[User talk:Nightfall217|talk]]) 02:39, 13 November 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::::Not really. The Pokémon articles constantly say Type: Null ''evolves'' into Silvally. Just because the evolution process is depicted differently in the anime, doesn't mean we should say it's an example of devolution. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 04:29, 13 November 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Either way that's not a good argument for it not to be included because regardless of if it is that way in the games it is that way in the anime therefore it is canon to the anime that Silvally can devolve into Type: Null as Gladion's Type: Null was a devolved Silvally [[User:Nightfall217|Nightfall217]] ([[User talk:Nightfall217|talk]]) 07:01, 13 November 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Yes, it is, because here, game information supersedes anime information. If many other sources (outside of your own opinion) explicitly confirm this is an example of devolution rather than evolution, then please provide links to them. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 21:45, 13 November 2018 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::Alright I realize maybe I wasn't clear about what I meant in my last comment. What I meant was that while it's unconfirmed that all Type: Null are just devolved Silvally (like for instance I would never say that the same rules that apply to the anime apply to the games) we do know from multiple references in the anime that the anime version of Gladion's was and all I'm saying is that that should be added to the anime section of the article as an example seen in the anime [[User:Nightfall217|Nightfall217]] ([[User talk:Nightfall217|talk]]) 22:37, 13 November 2018 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::And like I said, game information supersedes all else, no exceptions. Just because the anime does it differently doesn't mean it should be treated as such. We go by game information over all else. [[User:GrammarFreak01|GrammarFreak01]] ([[User talk:GrammarFreak01|talk]]) 08:09, 14 November 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Melmetal? == | |||
In Melmetal's ''Sword'' dex entry, it says that when it it dies, it is reborn as several Meltan. I think this should be noted of, as Exeggutor has a place on this page.--[[User:Power-Point Panpour|Power-Point Panpour]] ([[User talk:Power-Point Panpour|talk]]) 01:53, 3 January 2022 (UTC) | |||
== TCG == | |||
This TCG card ([[Ancient Technical Machine Rock (EX Hidden Legends 85)]]) causes devolution and should be added to the list. [[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] ([[User talk:Mateussf|talk]]) 15:19, 27 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
:Hey, you're right! We should add that to the list. It's just that I don't like messing with these tables. I was the one who put the English 151 Aerodactyl here, and that was more trouble than I want to work with despite most of the information being there from the JP release. You can add that TM yourself, if you'd like. You don't have to wait for someone to allow you to, at least for small things for adding new entries to a list. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 18:10, 27 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
: Done. 欠番 [[User:Missingno000|<sup>H</sup>]]/[[User talk:Missingno000|<sub>T</sub>]] 23:08, 27 December 2023 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 23:08, 27 December 2023
Ash's Pikachu/Raichu
I may be wrong, but didn't Ash's Pikachu evolve into Raichu in one of the early series anime episodes? He decided that his Raichu was slower and less versatile than his Pichaku, got very tearful, and managed to devolve it back into a Pikachu somehow? Did this happen or did I dream it up? I ask because I was never a huge fan or close follower of the anime. If it did, the anime section of the devolution page ought to be corrected. PurpleSector 20:25, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
- You dreamed it. Pikachu never evolved. It was Lt. Surge's Raichu you're thinking of in terms of being slower than Pikachu. ★Jo the Marten★ ಠ_ಠ 20:28, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Mew ex
Doesn't this card also cause devolution through the use of Mutation in certain situations...? --Azurillglow2mlw7 06:07, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
- I also found this card to cause devolution through Devo Crush --Azurillglow2mlw7 06:18, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
XY097
Shouldn't the scene in XY097 where Diggersby reverted back into Bunnelby have a mention in the anime section? I know it was a dream, but isn't that pretty much devolution? Sneaking from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost... Gengarzilla! 23:23, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Type: Null
So... I've been meaning to ask this. Would Type: Null count as a devolution? Given how it started out as Silvally and was then forced to be Null. The reason I bring this up is mainly because of how Gladion's anime segment Pokémon reads 'Silvally → Type: Null → Silvally '. Pikatwig (talk) 17:10, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- It is funny that the articles mention that Silvally basically devolved into Type: Null without using this exact term. However, Type: Null started off as "Type: Full", which is pretty much Silvally without RKS System. We may have to wait until the "Nebby arc" is dubbed first before we decide if this counts as devolution or Type: Full. UxieLover1994 (talk) 22:55, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
- Silvally has already been confirmed to regress to Type: Null! The best source is the SM049 episode, where we clearly see the Gladion Pokémon saved to Lillie's child on the form of Silvally, while in SM037 the same was on the form of Type: Null. NanayaShiki07 (talk) 15:35, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
- Doubtful. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 22:25, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
- A Pokémon that originally featured in flashback in the anime was previously as Silvally and subsequently became Type: Null is Doubtful? NanayaShiki07 (talk) 15:35, 10 November 2018 (~)
- I think you should add it Nightfall217 (talk) 02:39, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- Not really. The Pokémon articles constantly say Type: Null evolves into Silvally. Just because the evolution process is depicted differently in the anime, doesn't mean we should say it's an example of devolution. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:29, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- Either way that's not a good argument for it not to be included because regardless of if it is that way in the games it is that way in the anime therefore it is canon to the anime that Silvally can devolve into Type: Null as Gladion's Type: Null was a devolved Silvally Nightfall217 (talk) 07:01, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, it is, because here, game information supersedes anime information. If many other sources (outside of your own opinion) explicitly confirm this is an example of devolution rather than evolution, then please provide links to them. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:45, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- Alright I realize maybe I wasn't clear about what I meant in my last comment. What I meant was that while it's unconfirmed that all Type: Null are just devolved Silvally (like for instance I would never say that the same rules that apply to the anime apply to the games) we do know from multiple references in the anime that the anime version of Gladion's was and all I'm saying is that that should be added to the anime section of the article as an example seen in the anime Nightfall217 (talk) 22:37, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- And like I said, game information supersedes all else, no exceptions. Just because the anime does it differently doesn't mean it should be treated as such. We go by game information over all else. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:09, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
- Alright I realize maybe I wasn't clear about what I meant in my last comment. What I meant was that while it's unconfirmed that all Type: Null are just devolved Silvally (like for instance I would never say that the same rules that apply to the anime apply to the games) we do know from multiple references in the anime that the anime version of Gladion's was and all I'm saying is that that should be added to the anime section of the article as an example seen in the anime Nightfall217 (talk) 22:37, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, it is, because here, game information supersedes anime information. If many other sources (outside of your own opinion) explicitly confirm this is an example of devolution rather than evolution, then please provide links to them. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:45, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- Either way that's not a good argument for it not to be included because regardless of if it is that way in the games it is that way in the anime therefore it is canon to the anime that Silvally can devolve into Type: Null as Gladion's Type: Null was a devolved Silvally Nightfall217 (talk) 07:01, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- Not really. The Pokémon articles constantly say Type: Null evolves into Silvally. Just because the evolution process is depicted differently in the anime, doesn't mean we should say it's an example of devolution. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:29, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- I think you should add it Nightfall217 (talk) 02:39, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
- A Pokémon that originally featured in flashback in the anime was previously as Silvally and subsequently became Type: Null is Doubtful? NanayaShiki07 (talk) 15:35, 10 November 2018 (~)
- Doubtful. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 22:25, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
- Silvally has already been confirmed to regress to Type: Null! The best source is the SM049 episode, where we clearly see the Gladion Pokémon saved to Lillie's child on the form of Silvally, while in SM037 the same was on the form of Type: Null. NanayaShiki07 (talk) 15:35, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Melmetal?
In Melmetal's Sword dex entry, it says that when it it dies, it is reborn as several Meltan. I think this should be noted of, as Exeggutor has a place on this page.--Power-Point Panpour (talk) 01:53, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
TCG
This TCG card (Ancient Technical Machine Rock (EX Hidden Legends 85)) causes devolution and should be added to the list. Mateussf (talk) 15:19, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Hey, you're right! We should add that to the list. It's just that I don't like messing with these tables. I was the one who put the English 151 Aerodactyl here, and that was more trouble than I want to work with despite most of the information being there from the JP release. You can add that TM yourself, if you'd like. You don't have to wait for someone to allow you to, at least for small things for adding new entries to a list. Salmancer (talk) 18:10, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
- Done. 欠番 H/T 23:08, 27 December 2023 (UTC)