Talk:Noivern (Pokémon)

Name

Isn't the name Noivern? GreyDragon (talk) 16:17, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

I can't even read.

Regarding name origin, Onbān is a combination of on and wyvern (uaibān), not bang.

Also, the French name is from bruit and wyverne, and the German name is from UHF and Fafnir.--Lemonade Mouth (talk) 18:22, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Species

According to the press release, Noivern is the Sound Wave Pokémon.--Lemonade Mouth (talk) 18:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Origin

It appears, from the color scheme, furry ruff, and affinity for fruit, to be partially based on flying fox [1], with other features of bats added, such as the nose and large ears. The connection makes sense, since bats are commonly associated with sound because of their echolocation. Zakitano (talk) 19:53, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

• Also, due to its name in all languages and the design, it's based on a wyvern.--Darthrai (talk) 02:31, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Another possible origin

Due to its association with sound and the design of its ears, Noivern could possible be based of a boombox or a sub-woofer. CyberCat5555 (talk) 22:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

ZuBAT, GolBAT, CroBAT, WooBAT, SwooBAT, Spewpa & Noivern?'

Should it not be mentioned in the article that Noivern evolves from Spewpa, or has this not yet been confirmed. Is it also not noteworthy that so far, it is the only bat-based Pokémon without "bat" at the end of its name (excluding Spewpa. [And even if Spewpa is counted, it would still be the only bat-based Pokémon family without "bat at the end of its name"])?--ShinyPatch (talk) 22:50, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

...Spewpa evolves into Vivillon. Zakitano (talk) 22:58, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

And Gligar/Gliscor want a word with you about bat-based Pokemon without bat at the end of their name. Myzou (talk) 09:17, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh dear! I feel like an idiot now! I was thinking that Spewpa sounded like pupa and would be a more fitting name for a Vivillon pre-evolution! I must have read it wrong! As for Gligar and Gliscor, I did consider them, but felt that, as they are labeled "FlyScorpion" and "Fang Scorp" Pokémon, they were most likely not based on bats, and only really based on scorpions (that can fly), but then again, it is pretty obvious they are "batty" so to speak! So, in conclusion, I was stupid, and am sorry if I wasted anyone's time, I thought it was an interesting fact, but it was just arguably interesting fiction. Thanks for responding anyway Zakitano and Myzou, and clearing things up for me. Sorry about that.--ShinyPatch (talk) 15:10, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Name origin

the noi bit could also be noire. It depends on the official pronouciation but for now it could be either 0danmaster0 (talk) 13:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

I agree that it could come from noir due to its colour and the location of Kalos being France. --Ashitic (talk) 13:45, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

lol never mind a guy at the roundtable pronounced it noy-vern. So noise is definitely the name origin. 0danmaster0 (talk) 17:06, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Soundwaves=Air=Flying-type?

So I noticed that Noivern has the honor of being the first dual-typed Pokémon to have Flying as its primary type. And I don't know if Bulbapedia could give any explanation-by-reference for typing, so I thought I'd just ask this: So soundwaves are vibrations in the air, and air is associated with the Flying-type. This made me realize that it is actually pretty strange that sound is actually associated with the Normal-type (Hyper Voice, Exploud). So maybe the designers also noticed this and now want sound to be part of the Flying-type. This would explain why Noivern has Flying as its primary type, as he is more about sound than about being Dragon. Think about it: if I say 'Noivern!', would the first thing you'd say be 'sound' or 'Dragon'? So Noivern is primary the 'Sound-type' which is the 'Flying-type', which then is his primary type! Could we add this reference for its type with these few words: 'Noivern could have Flying as its primary type, because soundwaves are associated with air and Noivern's primary characteristic is sound above being Dragon.'? Nickvang (talk) 19:03, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

That's speculation. (Besides, while you may think "sound" immediately as a result of the "noise" in "Noivern", I didn't even realize "noise" was the source of "Noi-" for awhile because I was too focused on "-vern" = "wyvern" = Dragon. Everybody reacts to things differently, so it's faulty logic to present "it's the first thing you'd think of when you hear it" as evidence.) In any case, we don't include any justifications for other primary types that are in an odd order (everything uses Rock/Ground except the Rhyhorn family, which are Ground/Rock, for example), so I don't really see a need for this. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:04, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Weakness and Strength

Shouldn't we be able to add the weakness and strength for Noivern? Togekiss4ever (talk) 09:03, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

nope. flying might resist fairy for example. 0danmaster0 (talk) 15:46, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

How could we add it when we have no idea what Fairy is weak/strong against? Rainbow Shifter (talk) 16:43, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

We don't know its Ability either. And although we won't add anything until it's officially confirmed, we actually have some kind of idea about the type matchups, as the leaked information is most likely true.--電禅Den Zen 17:41, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

eating is a special ability? LOL

someone needs to move "Noivern loves fruit, and feeding it fruit will keep it calm." to the diet section. 0danmaster0 (talk) 18:30, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Done. Ataro (talk) 18:39, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Debut

The article claims Noivern will debut in BW134. Is there any evidence for this? --Reli★ジーランス? 15:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

It's from the official site. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 16:21, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Then why doesn't BW134 article mention it? --Reli★ジーランス? 17:02, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Fixed the BW134 article, so Noivern is mentioned there now. Berrenta (talk) 17:05, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Trivia

Is it noteworthy that Noivern is the first "N" Pokémon to be introduced since Gen III, over 10 years ago? Xolotl (talk) 15:31, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

"First since X" is just a weasel-word-y way of saying "not first", which is not notable. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 15:42, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Korean name for Noivern

Its Korean name is 음번 Eumbeon. -- Nick15 (talk) 17:58, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

• 음(音) eum is "sound"
• 번 beon is from "wyvern" (와이번 waibeon)

(Translation of its Japanese name) -- Nick15 (talk) 19:28, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Another take on Noivern's origin

Noiver's physical appearance and the fact it mixes bat and pterosaur traits makes me think of the Ropen, a cryptid usually described as either a giant bat or a pterosaur with a long tail; a description that fits with Noivern perfectly. Could this creature be a partial source of inspiration for this pokemon, at least to some extent? Jomarori (talk) 18:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

First dual typed primary Flying?

Aren't Noivern, and Noibat, the first dual typed Pokémon with Flying as a primary type? All others have Flying as a secondary type. Is this notable enough as trivia? ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 19:08, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Tailwind

Noivern learns Tailwind at level 35. Why is it listed in the "By breeding" section? Is it not necessary for the mother to know the move? --GuyPerfect (talk) 17:50, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

I think the point is, if the mother doesn't know Tailwind, but the father does, it will still be passed on as an egg move. The same thing happens with Marill and Superpower; because of how it hatches with the move it's just like any other egg move even though it just so happens learn it on level-up. --KiANGLO ^(TALK) 15:14, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Discussion about potential bat species

I'd speculate by appearance alone (the V shaped nose and large ears) that the bat in question is a type of leafnosed bat or hognosed bat. I'm very curious as to the support for the "fruit bat" origin aside from it being shown eating a berry in the anime (which meowth eats too, it does not mean he is a fruit-eating-cat).

Of course these are all just speculation until further support is provided by nintendo itself so I do apologize for removing information rather than adding to.

I submit that Noivern and Noibat are both based off of leaf nosed bats, due to their V noses, round faces, little eyes and large ears. The fact that they use echolocation somewhat excludes fruit bats, but I'm aware nintendo doesn't always follow the laws of the real world animal kingdom. c: But these features are remnant of an echolocating bat, not a fruit eating bat. Therefore it does not seem possible that it can be BOTH a fruitbat AND an insectivorous bat because their features contradict each other.

In real world biology fruit bats have relatively smaller ears, larger eyes, longer snouts and do not use echolocation but olfactory and visual cues. I am not arguing that its not possible for pokemon to forget this and say its a fruit eating bat that echolocates fruit; because there is a dinosaur that has bananas for a chin and maybe noiverns do need echolocation to find fruit BUT! I would also like to hear reasonable support and sources!

Also please source where you are seeing/hearing that noivern eats "fruit" (eg: in the anime XYZ says __) So far all that it is being shown is eating a spelon berry so please just say that, do not overgeneralize information. (Arafel (talk) 05:22, 12 November 2013 (UTC)).

How about those German names?

The ridiculously unconventional capitalization in Noibat and Noivern's German names (eF-eM and UHaFnir) are unique to these two, as far as I know. If Flabébé's trivia makes note of it being the only Pokémon with a diacritical in its English name, I feel this warrants some sort of mention. --KiANGLO ^(TALK) 21:42, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I feel like it's notable only on the German wiki, but I could be in the minority, here. --Wynd Fox 23:33, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I noticed Noibat's page mentions that eF-eM is the only Pokémon name to not start with a capital letter. Which makes sense. There's just no clean way to cite the multiple capitals in UHaFnir since technically, Mr. Mime, Mime Jr. and Porygon-Z have multiple capitals too. I still think it's a notable oddity, though :/ --KiANGLO ^(TALK) 23:51, 13 November 2013 (UTC)