Talk:Chesnaught (Pokémon)

Knight

Just because the Origin section mentions it's based on a knight, doesn't mean its name is possibly derived from it. It is clearly Chesnaught (naught referring to either juggernaut or dreadnaught), not Chesnight (knight).--The Truth aka Relicant 07:55, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Like I said on the Aromatisse talk page, it must be relevant to the Pokémon. Chesnaught at least looks like a knight, spelling and pronunciation (whilst important) is not the end all be all reason.--ForceFire 08:02, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

It's not relevant, though. --The Truth aka Relicant 09:59, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Also, you're only claiming that knight is a name origin because apparently Chesnau(kni)ght. If that's so then that must mean Reshiram's name is derived from ham because Reshir(h)am. --The Truth aka Relicant 09:56, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Like I said, it must be relevant to the Pokémon. You missed my reason, like you always do. It at least looks like a knight (what with the armor).--ForceFire 10:02, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

....And how is finesse not relevant to Aromatisse? If knight is relevant to Chesnau(kni)ght, then finesse is relevant to Aromati(fine)sse. There was no need to be RUDE. --The Truth aka Relicant 10:53, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

I think you're too caught up with how the word is spelled rather than the actual definition of the word and how they fit with the Pokémon. I also don't think you know what Finesse means and are just using big words. There's nothing about Aromatisse that involves finesse, whereas Chesnaught at least (make sure you read this part, seriously, this is like the number one reason) looks (did you read that, do I have to repeat that?) like a knight, especially having an armored shell (got it?). I'm sorry if I sound rude, but I just don't think being nice to you would do anything to make you know where I'm getting at.--ForceFire 11:45, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

I do know what finesse is, don't treat me like an idiot. It fits with Aromatisse. I'm not nitpicking with spelling. I probably shouldn't pick fault with name origins for a while, mayhap. --The Truth aka Relicant 12:07, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Not that there is any point discussing Aromatisse's name origin on Chesnaught's talk page, but to be relevant to a name origin the word has to somehow resemble the Pokémon's name (pronunciation or spelling). Since the only thing finesse actually has in common with Aromatisse is the double s (an a silent e at the end, I guess), it cannot reasonably be considered to be a name origin. --SnorlaxMonster 14:28, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

In my opinion Chesnaught's armor looks like jaggernaut's layered armor and I also believe it's derived from jaggernaut/drednaught. Knight's armor is mostly a chain armor or plate armor, Chesnaught's armor looks nothing like either of those, IMHO it looks like a jaggernaut battle armor. ~HellRider ツ^talk 03:31, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Armadillo?

The origin section suggests its based on a hedgehog. I can see where this comes from, but when compared to a giant armadillo when standing, you can make several comparisons. The long tail, the arms poking out from underneath its shell as well as the three-clawed hands. We can even compare to the pink fairy armadillo, which sports similar white fur on its underside, similar things can be said about Chespin, as like the fairy armadillo, its shell only covers its back. Just a suggestion, obviously what type of animal it is based on will be clouded by it being based of knights, war machines and chestnuts. It's hard to be sure. - unsigned comment from Headsprouter (talk • contribs)

Per the citation on the Chespin page, the line is canonically based on hedgehogs according to graphic designer Hironobu Yoshida. I don't see any indication that they were also based on armadillos, and I personally think we shouldn't list speculation alongside canon as though both were equally likely. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 00:11, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

The citation refers specifically to Chespin being based on a hedgehog. It doesn't really address the later evolutions except in saying they are inspired by RPG-type classes. Chesnaught looks very little like a hedgehog, even less so than Chespin, and while it may have been the starting off point for the concept there are other apparent influences. Pokemon do not have to be, and often aren't, based on just one thing. Compare Chesnaught to a hedgehog (pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Cute-Hedgehog.jpg) and then to an armored mammal like an armadillo, or (better yet) a glyptodont (upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Glyptodon_(Riha2000).jpg). Many features, such as Chesnaught's overall shape, claws, long tail, body armor, and even the "helmet" are very similar to these mammals. While wild speculation should be discouraged, it is worth pointing out that Chesnaught takes design cues from various places. His concept as a hedgehog combined with a chestnut is interesting enough, but the similarities to other creatures shouldn't be considered "wrong" just because an offhand interview response about Chespin didn't outline every single facet of the family's concept. Yes, "canon" states that Chespin is a chestnut/hedgehog, but his evolutions are ever more complex and that should be recognized in the origin section. No harm comes from noting that this Pokemon shares similarities with several real-world species, especially when the article mentions elsewhere that the primary influence was hedgehogs. MOST Pokemon can't have their inspiration "cited" from the mouth of the creators, but we shouldn't let that limit the completeness of the wiki page in adequately describing the species. ~Destruction on Wings~ (talk) 23:28, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I agree here; the citation is clearly only about the first forms. Even if it wasn't, there are many Pokémon articles that list both the "official" origin and complementary origin speculation. (Samurott is a good example: it wasn't mentioned in the interview, but its helmet is identical to Murex shells) Combine that with the fact that Chesnaught clearly looks like a Glyptodon/armadillo, and I think we really should add the them to the origin and possibly remove the hedgehog.--電禅Den Zen 00:06, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

What animal is Chesnaught?

I think the staff of Pokemon and Bulbapedia should be more specific of what animal Chesnaught is. Because I'm not 100% sure Chesnaught is a hedgehog because it is stated to be based on that animal instead of officially stated to be. SnivyLover666 (talk) 02:19, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

It's rare for Game Freak to say what they base Pokémon designs on. That's why we say "may be based on". Chesnaught is at least partially based on hedgehogs because Chespin is officially stated to be based on them. _glik^glak 02:45, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Chesnaught picture needed

Can someone add a picture of the Chesnaught that appeared in XY098? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 23:00, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Mythology Connections

I recently noticed that Chesnaught seems to be based on the French monster known as the Tarasque.--Bansheewail13 (talk) 19:47, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

The Tarasque Legend

The Tarasque was said to be a dragon like creature that terrorized the Region of Provence in France. Countless faced the creature but none prevailed. It was St. Martha that finally subdued the beast by charming it with several hymns and prayers. St. Martha led it back to the town, where the townspeople attacked it out of fear and it killed it out of fear despite its new found love for humanity. Upon relizing their mistake the people promptly converted to Christianity and renamed the town Tarscon. An annual festival is still held there in memory of the legend.--Bansheewail13 (talk) 20:00, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

I'm... really not seeing it. At all. Nothing of that paragraph you wrote appears to have anything to do with Chesnaught, nor does its description on Wikipedia at Tarasque: a dragon (doesn't match Chesnaught) with a lion's head (nope), six short legs (nope), an ox-like body (nope) with a turtle shell (well... that's one thing) and a scaly tail (maybe) that ends in a scorpion's sting (nope).

Having a turtle shell and a tail that may sort of be described as scaly just isn't enough, considering how little Chesnaught resembles any of the other many characteristics of the tarasque. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:59, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry for the confusion, but I was simply stating that Chesnaught was based loosely on the Tarasque. Some of the images of the Tarasque that are found in my hometown just kind of reminded me of Chesnaught. --Bansheewail13 (talk) 21:25, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Tarasque

It isn't mentioned anywhere on its page but to me Chesnaught strongly resembles the Tarasque from French legend. The Tarasque was a mammal-like dragon with the face of a lion, the limbs of a bear, a thick tail and most telling of all a heavy spike-covered shell on its back. Given the strong resemblance and how Kalos is based on France I think it is worth mentioning in the Origin section of this Pokemon. - unsigned comment from TheNerdBeast (talk • contribs)

See the above talk section. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:10, 23 October 2016 (UTC)