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The game doesn't use "strong winds" when the ability activates. IIRC, it uses something like "mysterious aura". When I get home, I'll check, but it's not strong winds. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 18:13, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
The game doesn't use "strong winds" when the ability activates. IIRC, it uses something like "mysterious aura". When I get home, I'll check, but it's not strong winds. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 18:13, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
:That came from [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/mega-rayquaza the same place] as "extremely harsh sunlight"/"heavy rain" for [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/primal-groudon Desolate Land]/[http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/primal-kyogre Primordial Sea]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:22, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
:That came from [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/mega-rayquaza the same place] as "extremely harsh sunlight"/"heavy rain" for [http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/primal-groudon Desolate Land]/[http://www.pokemonrubysapphire.com/en-us/pokemon/legendary-pokemon/primal-kyogre Primordial Sea]. [[User:Tiddlywinks|Tiddlywinks]] ([[User talk:Tiddlywinks|talk]]) 19:22, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
::I didn't realize the official website used that term. Sorry about that. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|Pikachu Bros.]] ([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|talk]]) 19:26, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
== Strong winds ==
Super Mystery Dungeons refers to it as such. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 08:30, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
:Core series games > spin-off games > other officially published material, but it could still be mentioned, as well as whatever it's called in other languages as "strong winds". --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 11:23, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
== Super-effective removal ==
Is there a reason to doubt that super-effectivity against Flying types is just removed/overridden, similar to how Ground ineffectiveness is by Iron Ball etc.? (In particular, is the message "weakened the move" still followed by "very effective" even if Flying was the only weakness?) In other words, is there a specific reason to assume Expert Belt is ''not'' "etc." when we say "for the purposes of damage-reducing Berries, Weakness Policy, etc."? [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 18:21, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
:Tests in ORAS confirm:
:*there's no message
:*damage is not affected by Expert Belt
:*it affects something other than power (low-level Geodude did 1 HP damage to Rayquaza with Rollout)
:So, I think it's safe to assume that the 2x type effectiveness multipliers are just replaced by 1x, so Filter and variations aren't affected either. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 10:03, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
== New Title: Strong Winds? ==
In Pokémon Sun and Moon, the official name of the "mysterious air current" is '''"Strong Winds"'''.
This information can be found on the bottom screen during a battle where the condition is active:
{|style="background:#032c61; border:3px solid #2ca2c6"
|-
|style="color:yellow" | Strong Winds
|-
|style="color:white" | The strong winds condition.<br>The power of supereffective moves against<br>Flying-type Pokémon will be weakened.
|}
This should be a core-series confirmation of the official name of this condition. The use of "mysterious air current" could just be a description of the condition.
Should we change the title of this article to "Strong Winds"? &mdash;[[User:WhosHaddady|<span style="color:orange">'''Haddady'''</span>]] [[User talk:WhosHaddady|<small><span style="color:blue">~Straight Outta the Bag~</span></small>]] 19:54, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
:I would support moving the page to "strong winds". We had pre-release ORAS info use that name as well, and now the games use it too. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 09:16, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
::I agree that the page should be moved, but I think "'''Strong winds'''" (lowercase 'w') should be used rather than "Strong Winds". The title that appears above the bottom-screen description is in Title Case for ''every'' condition in Sun and Moon, even those that are not capitalized otherwise (e.g. "Critical-Hits ↑", "{{m|Fire Pledge|Sea of Fire}}"); so it shouldn't be a factor in determining whether to capitalize something. The description does not capitalize "strong winds", so it doesn't seem like it's one of the franchise's many always-capitalized terms. &mdash;[[User:Randomwaffle23|Randomwaffle23]] ([[User talk:Randomwaffle23|talk]]) 03:00, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
== Minor question ==
Is Mega Rayquaza the only Pokémon that can summon this weather condition (without a move or Ability such as Skill Swap)? Also, is the weather condition summoned when a non-Mega Rayquaza Pokémon gains the ability Delta Stream via, let's say, a Mr. Mime using Role Play? [[User:GalarChampionAverie|Champion Averie]], signing off! ([[User talk:GalarChampionAverie|Need anything?]]) 19:18, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 19:18, 2 October 2021

"Strong winds"

The game doesn't use "strong winds" when the ability activates. IIRC, it uses something like "mysterious aura". When I get home, I'll check, but it's not strong winds. Pikachu Bros. (talk) 18:13, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

That came from the same place as "extremely harsh sunlight"/"heavy rain" for Desolate Land/Primordial Sea. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:22, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I didn't realize the official website used that term. Sorry about that. Pikachu Bros. (talk) 19:26, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Strong winds

Super Mystery Dungeons refers to it as such. Eridanus (talk) 08:30, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Core series games > spin-off games > other officially published material, but it could still be mentioned, as well as whatever it's called in other languages as "strong winds". --Abcboy (talk) 11:23, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Super-effective removal

Is there a reason to doubt that super-effectivity against Flying types is just removed/overridden, similar to how Ground ineffectiveness is by Iron Ball etc.? (In particular, is the message "weakened the move" still followed by "very effective" even if Flying was the only weakness?) In other words, is there a specific reason to assume Expert Belt is not "etc." when we say "for the purposes of damage-reducing Berries, Weakness Policy, etc."? Nescientist (talk) 18:21, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Tests in ORAS confirm:
  • there's no message
  • damage is not affected by Expert Belt
  • it affects something other than power (low-level Geodude did 1 HP damage to Rayquaza with Rollout)
So, I think it's safe to assume that the 2x type effectiveness multipliers are just replaced by 1x, so Filter and variations aren't affected either. Nescientist (talk) 10:03, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

New Title: Strong Winds?

In Pokémon Sun and Moon, the official name of the "mysterious air current" is "Strong Winds".

This information can be found on the bottom screen during a battle where the condition is active:

Strong Winds
The strong winds condition.
The power of supereffective moves against
Flying-type Pokémon will be weakened.

This should be a core-series confirmation of the official name of this condition. The use of "mysterious air current" could just be a description of the condition.

Should we change the title of this article to "Strong Winds"? —Haddady ~Straight Outta the Bag~ 19:54, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

I would support moving the page to "strong winds". We had pre-release ORAS info use that name as well, and now the games use it too. --SnorlaxMonster 09:16, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
I agree that the page should be moved, but I think "Strong winds" (lowercase 'w') should be used rather than "Strong Winds". The title that appears above the bottom-screen description is in Title Case for every condition in Sun and Moon, even those that are not capitalized otherwise (e.g. "Critical-Hits ↑", "Sea of Fire"); so it shouldn't be a factor in determining whether to capitalize something. The description does not capitalize "strong winds", so it doesn't seem like it's one of the franchise's many always-capitalized terms. —Randomwaffle23 (talk) 03:00, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Minor question

Is Mega Rayquaza the only Pokémon that can summon this weather condition (without a move or Ability such as Skill Swap)? Also, is the weather condition summoned when a non-Mega Rayquaza Pokémon gains the ability Delta Stream via, let's say, a Mr. Mime using Role Play? Champion Averie, signing off! (Need anything?) 19:18, 2 October 2021 (UTC)