Talk:Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions

So what's the change in the decision? Did Evkl change his mind? I think these combined pages are going to be crowded when listing differences. And it makes other pages like Green, Yellow, and Emerald stick out.

The differences can be listed in separate articles, if they are going to be at all. A summary can be given on this main article, like Pokémon Gold and Pokémon Silver have different sets of wild Pokémon obtainable. But, I think such a list can be presented compactly like this:

Gold-only	Silver-only
a b c
d e f	g h i
Also in Crystal
k l m	n o p

Of course, you could vastly simplify it since we aren't discussing Pokémon Crystal. Here's the logic to decide which Pokémon goes where: If a Pokémon is in:

• all 3: don't list.
• none of the 3: don't list.
• in Gold and Silver only: list with a b c
• in Gold only: list with d e f
• in Silver only: list with g h i
• in Gold and Crystal only: list with k l m
• in Silver and Crystal only: list with n o p

I think we shouldn't compare with the third of the series in these paired articles though, that can be done in the article for the third game itself.

I can't really think of any other major differences that would require such a detailed explanation though.

For large chunks of information common to all games in a series, perhaps create another article like Generation III Hoenn or Generation II Kanto. - 振霖_T 11:10, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Blatant lies

Gold and Silver also introduced the concept of evolution by methods other than leveling, using an evolutionary stone, or trading.

I removed this sentence, since evolutionary stones and trade evolutions were quite obviously already introduced in Generation I. -Pat 06:13, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

That's not what it said. It said that GSC introduced new evo methods other than leveling, stones, or trading. It did not say that it introduced stones and trading as new evo methods other than leveling. IIMarckus 06:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Haha. Oh, I'm a douche. -Pat 03:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Platinum?

isn't it a bit strange that its Diamond/Gem Pearl/Gem Platinum/Metal? now lets Look at this

Gold/Metal Silver/Metal? The name hints it!!

OR they could be pulling a Crystal on Us? Dakclaw 07:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

What are you saying? That Plantinum is the GS remake? I'd doubt it, why would Johto have a Spear Pillar? Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links07:51 17 May 2008

What i'm Saying is that in Crystal at the end of the game you can travel to Kanto maybe in Platinum ::you can travel to Johto at the end of the game Dakclaw 07:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

No. That would be terrible, I hate Gen II Kanto and it would destroy any chancce of GSDS. Guardian of Earth 17:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

So tell me, Dakclaw, what does Crystal have to do with Red, Blue, Green and Yellow? Last time I checked, Crystal/Gem and RedBlueGreenYellow/Colors. Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links07:58 17 May 2008

Crystal's not even a gem, it's a molecular structure. Anyway... I see what Dakclaw means, with Platinum's name possibly being yet another GSDS hint. But I seriously doubt you'd be able to visit Johto in Platinum... I mean, you could access Kanto in GS, so of course you could access it in Crystal. Why would it be "pulling a Crystal" if we couldn't visit it in DP?

Also, this discussion doesn't seem relevant to the article. We'd better stop it before we get in trouble with Sketchies; take it to the forums instead. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 08:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Red not a reference to Special?

It says that Red's team references Red from Special by including a Pikachu, Snorlax, and Espeon - is this true? It seems more likely (to me, at least) that it's a fairly generic team based on Generation 1 - he has all four starting Pokemon from Red/Green/Blue/Yellow, and the two non-legendary Pokemon that could be found outside of random encounters (though the Eevee has evolved). Does anyone else agree that Red's team referencing Special should be removed from the article?

I agree. This subject has also come up in the Red's Pikachu article. IIMarckus 15:41, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Surely it's the other way round, as so much of Special is based on the games? For instance, Gold and Red going to battle at Mt. Silver and Lance telling Silver that he needs to treat his Pokemon with more care. I mean, he doesn't get the team exactly like Red in GS until the GS arc in the manga. I thought it was pretty obvious that Red's manga team is based on his team in Generation II as opposed to the other way around.

Glitches

I read through the article and didn't find anything on the GS glitch that clones pokémon and I was wondering if it should be added or if there was a reason that it was not added. - unsigned comment from Greenmcr (talk • contribs)

Internal clock "glitch" - Ruby/Sapphire?

The internal clock wore out the game cartridge's battery faster, reducing the time it would last to about 6 years. Ruby/Sapphire has an internal clock (inside Brandon's bedroom, and the internal one that tells how long berries will take to grow). Will the same start to happen to R/S/E? C Teng ^[talk] 17:21, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

What internal clock glitch? I've had my copy of Silver for a little over 8 years, and it still keeps time just fine...--Shiningpikablu252 17:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Besides, even if such issue is real, it isn't definitely a glitch and simply a problem of a battery that wore out. Pokemon lover 18:05, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

It's less a glitch than simple wear. In a fit of nostalgia inspired by hearing about HG/SS, I dragged out all my old games and was heartbroken to find the saves of GSC gone. Fortunately (and somewhat ironically since it's a fair bit older) I found my Yellow save happily intact. I'd guess that eventually, yes, the internal batteries of RSE will wear out, but it seems to me to be less of an issue since migrating forward is an option - an option that will hopefully be retained as long as Pokemon lives. AlishaShatogi 08:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

RSE saves via flash memory, as does FRLG. The battery in RSE is for the clock alone. RBY's saves are in danger, however, and will die eventually, but not for a long time after GSC has, since their batteries took care of both the time and the save. And DPPtHGSS don't have anything other than flash memory, no batteries period in those carts. TTEchidna 08:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Good to know they fixed a design flaw. I know less about the actual media of the games than I probably should. AlishaShatogi 08:33, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

There's good news though: the internal batteries in GameBoy cartriges can be replaced. I found a video on YouTube showing how to do it (on a copy of Silver) However, I wouldn't recommend trying this unless you know exactly what you're doing! Taromon777 11:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

umm...correction its [Brendan]] not Brandon...heheGio12 11:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

The Plot

What's up with the plot section? I don't know much about the plot of that game but it just stops after the player battles Morty for the Fog Badge. He's only the fourth Gym Leader! It doesn't even mention the last four Leaders or the Elite Four or the player going to Kanto. I don't know the plot of this game so could someone fill it in. Bttsstewart 03:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

It's all good, friend. The plot has been expanded on, and now I'm putting the finishing touches on it. once it's done, you may edit it as you see fit. DarkGiratina 20:03 5 July 2009 (UTC)

UPDATE. Um.....yeah. When I tried to edit the page, I guess it didn't process well. It seems we need to break the page up into smaller sections. I suggest we have a separate article called "Pokémon Gold and Silver Plot Synopsis".DarkGiratina 21:09 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Never mind. I slept on the idea, and I decided it was incredibly dumb. I'll just wait for someone else to finish this page. DarkGiratina 12:19 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Names

Wasn't this the first pokémon game to give trainers names? Metalucario

Absolutely right. This was mentioned on the Generation II article, but I've added it here as well. —darklordtrom 11:17, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I've noticed something...

Does anyone notice that when you catch a Pokémon, the Poké Ball has its palette colors? Such as, if you catch a Pikachu, the ball is red and yellow. Pikachu is yellow and has red electric sacs. Not very important, but I think it's neat how it's like that. --Chuck67322 00:12, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. Use of the Game Boy Color. I think it did that in Yellow, too, but I'm not sure. TTEchidna 01:58, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll check later.

Edit: Yes, it does it in Yellow. --Chuck67322 03:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Name Rater x2

Did it occur that Gold, Silver where the first games to have two Name Raters as compared to one per game. This is obivously because Gold & Silver have two regions, not one. I was just wondering if that's good triva for the page.--Spritmaster 15:11:29 23 August 2009(UTC)

Language Differences

I've seen on other places on Bulbapedia that there are some interesting differences between the Japanese and the International Versions of Gold/Silver, most notably swapping Teddiursa and Phanpy families around, but also some sprite differences for trainers and Pokémon. Is there a way these changes could be listed somewhere?--Purimpopoie 13:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Cloning Glitch

was the glitch purposely placed as it appears in other games?(ScarletScarabX) 00:58, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Plot

Is it just me, or is the "Plot" section waaaay too long and over-detailed? --ZestyCactus 15:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I just edited it. It's now much more encyclopedic and much less wordy. TailsDM 23:08, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

It's still pretty seriously long and detailed. Anyone mind if I slim it down and cut out a lot of the overdetail? Adalina 15:02, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

References

Why doesn't the "references" tag at the bottom work? I tried trimming down the page under the 32kb limit (didn't save), and the links still aren't showing up. MagicBarrier 17:25, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

Lugia and Ho-Oh are the only version mascots to be classified as "secret" Pokémon in the Generation IV games. This is due to the fact that, prior to the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver, they were unobtainable in the Generation III and IV handheld games without an event. —This doesn't really seem to belong on this page. Slimey01 00:18, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Battery Life

My version of Silver has stubbornly maintained it falsely set internal clock for 10 years now - no signs of battery depletion. (When I was a smaller kid I did not understand the difference of am and pm...so you can imagine.) Are there any differences between versions? And if the game cartridge is in GameBoy Color, can it use the batteries of the console instead? Or do I just happen to have an above-average copy of this game? --Black Eagle 18:15, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Changing your time

Apparently this article is missing the somewhat-secret feature that allowed you to change your time, provided you entered the correct 'secred code' (based on Trainer ID & current Money not deposited at home). This is especially interesting, as you could somewhat 'cheat' yourself infinite amounts of PP Ups, Exp Shares and/or Masterballs in conjunction with the Lucky Channel, provided you happen to be lucky enough to manage to get a matching draw. (You then proceed to change the time, which somewhat resetted the obtained-your-prize boolean on the Lucky Channel as well, without resetting the week´s lucky ID. Rinse, repeat and profit.) FTLK, Talk!, 09:46, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Event Pokémon

The article says that Celebi is the only Pokémon that can only be found via an event or cheating, but what about Mew? Wouldn't it have to come from an event (or cheating) too? --Darth Zekrom 22:50, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Game Boy

Despite the fact that they say Game Boy Color on the box the games are actually Game Boy games, the page should reflect this.ArchedThunder (talk) 04:41, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Australian release date

Can someone help me pin down the actual Australian release date for this game? Wikipedia says September 4, 2000 (a full month earlier than the US, which - while I find a smug sense of satisfaction in it - is probably highly unlikely), every other source which lists a date assumes the same October 13, 2000 listed here, and going through archive.org's caches only lists info on pre-or-post stuff (Stadium RB, Crystal, RS, etc.) or otherwise redirects me to the US site. I am very sure it was before year's end, but I don't have any other leads to go on. Frugali (talk) 04:55, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I went looking (through wayback machine as well) when I was adding sources for game release dates. I ended up giving up on it and moving on, and it bothers me too. At best I can confirm it was released after Spetember 6, 2000 ([1]), making the WIkipedia date wrong. --SnorlaxMonster 05:07, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Unused memory game?

Look at this video at 9:36: link Player01 (talk) 20:32, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Pokémon Gold and Silver beta#Game Corner --Abcboy (talk) 01:05, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

The title of the page should stay the same.

It has been suggested that the title of this article be renamed "Pokémon Gold and Silver." I'm okay with the suggestion, but even though other territories don't use the word "version," North America does, so we should refer to them by their full North American names. Thank you. Crunchdog29 (talk) 23:27, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Missing Pokemon

I'm not sure how to efficiently edit it, nor do it if I did have the rates, but Staryu can be found in the Union Cave in at least the same pool Lapras can be found in using a super rod. I used it twice, and both times were Staryu's. I only saw it on Gold, but it's probably on Silver and/or Crystal as well. It doesn't even say that Staryu's can be found in the Union Cave on the II Gen Pokemon list at all, which is apparently incorrect. It's not that big of a deal, but I'd appreciate it if someone could fix this. (Edit: I should also mention that I have no idea what the signature thing is, nor how to do, nor why it matters. It looked far too complicated and irrelevant. :b) - unsigned comment from Aqualegend (talk • contribs)

It's really easy to add a signature. In the future, type ~~~~ after your comment to automatically add your signature. We do this to keep track of who says what, and when. --リックEO (メッセージ) 02:17, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Battery life and cartridge battery replacements

"The battery is replaceable with another one of the same kind (a CR2025), or a CR2032, which is slightly thicker and lasts longer. Since it powers the save file, interrupting the power by removing the battery will cause any current save file to be lost. Third party devices such as the GameShark may offer ways to backup and restore the save file."

This passage is found on this article and the respective section of Crystal. I find this passage problematic for several reasons:

1. Removing the battery will cause the current save file to be erased. This is only partly true: providing 3V to the cartridge will keep the save intact. This can be achieved by attaching an auxiliary battery pack (such as two AA in series) or power supply in parallel with the original battery.
2. If the cartridge is powered from the game console (such as GB, GBC or GBA) the battery can be removed safely because the console is keeping the memory powered.
3. The article mentions GameShark as a means to preserve a save file. It is not an official Nintendo product, expensive and hard to come by. I personally find it problematic that the wiki article indirectly endorses a laborous third party solution that doesn't even solve the problem because you still need to replace the battery on the cartridge in order to save on it again. Assuming a reader has the skills and equipment to replace the battery then they definitely have the means to power the cartridge while replacing the battery.

I propose that the wording be changed to "Removing the battery will cause the current save file to be erased unless the cartridge memory remains powered by external means." This way it is accurate and at worst is an equal liability to the cartridge as using GameShark would be. --Black Eagle (talk) 12:16, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

This sounds like a good idea to me. --SnorlaxMonster 12:25, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

European release dates

It was released in Sweden on April 6, 2001. --SnorlaxMonster 17:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Is it worth mentioning that phone calls can happen during Sleep mode?

When I've opened my 3DS, I've gotten phone calls in the game. I also want to know if sleep mode "pauses" the roamer's location & if we should mention that. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 15:26, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

For roamers, at least, sleep mode shouldn't have any effect because our Roaming Pokémon article notes that their location only changes as the player moves to a new area, not after a certain amount of time. (Unless that article is wrong...?) Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 15:37, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it is wrong; when I played as a kid, I kept checking the Pokedex to make sure it was still there. And sometimes after checking, Entei moved to another place. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 18:23, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh, what about the Bug-catching contest? Does Sleep mode affect that too? I'd test it myself, but unfortunately, I've my own time restrictions on games now. :( ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 12:43, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

...I don't believe "Sleep mode" does anything, at all, for the VC games. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:37, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Well, it pauses the "time played" thing, but not the game's clock. That's what made me ask. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 13:47, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Neither Sleep mode nor the home menu pauses the bug catching timer. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 20:32, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

3DS Virtual Console - GBC Mystery Gift

Since Mystery Gift in the Virtual Console versions of Gold/Silver still uses Infrared Communication, has anyone tested if Gold/Silver played on the 3DS Virtual Console can use Mystery Gift with Pokémon Gold/Silver/Crystal on the Game Boy Color via the infrared ports on the Game Boy Color or Nintendo 3DS, respectively? If this is the case, can the Virtual Console Versions still link with the Pokémon Pikachu 2 GS? Pokemonred200 (talk) 23:21, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Apparently, people have tried between 3DS VC and GBC. Unsurprisingly, it doesn't work. Consequently, I doubt it would work for Pokémon Pikachu 2 either. --SnorlaxMonster 02:15, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

What I find strange is that in Mystery Gift, the home button is disabled; something that usually only happen during communications in the VC games. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 11:44, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Backing up save data

The article mentions that GameShark can be used to back up and restore save data, but this claim is false. I'm guessing that whoever wrote that meant the Mega Memory Card, not the GameShark. (Both devices superficially look the same, and I think they were both made by the same company. But apart from that, they are entirely different devices. The GameShark cannot be used to back up or restore the save data.)

Also, it might be worth mentioning that there are also some third-party devices out there that allow you to plug your game cartridge into your computer in order to back up / restore the save file (SRAM) that way. (I personally use the Joey Joebags from Benn Venn.) D (talk) 15:22, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

You are likely correct. I picked that information up from an article dealing with the issue. Sadly I never seem to have written down the source. Perhaps it should be changed to "third party devices" and not mention any brands or manufacturers? Now that I think about it the whole section is kind of out of place because Bulbapedia isn't really a DIY guide. However, Bulbapedia can and should document problems and properties of said problems so some aspects of battery life and possible remedies that have been attempted should be documented. Black Eagle (talk) 07:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

I've now re-edited the passage to a more encyclopedic tone. Let's see if it sticks. Black Eagle (talk) 07:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)