Talk:Alola

Alola an island chain?

Looking at the image of Alola it only looks like one island, and I was thinking due to Hawaii being an archipelago we'd see more than just that one island, which I assume is only the starting area. So I was wondering whether we should wait until we get confirmation before we use the image. Ashitic (talk) 16:20, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

We know the image is of at least part of Alola, and it's also not confirmed that there are any additional areas, so for now, the image is fine. When Unova and Kalos were first revealed, we used the images of Castelia and Lumiose because those were the only images we had. --Abcboy (talk) 16:38, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Russian name

Could someone add that this line to the in other languages section?

|- style="background:#FFF"
|Russian
|Алола Alola
|Transcription of English anme

--Raltseye 13:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Where do you get this from? Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:57, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/ru-ru/ here --Raltseye 14:01, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

While you're at it could you perhaps add the Russian names for Lunala and Solgaleo as well? --Raltseye 14:04, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Two Smaller Islands?

Shouldn't we point out the slightly smaller islands other than the big four and the artificial one?Lionasad (talk) 11:19, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

It is mentioned in the intro. Also always start new discussions by using the new section button. --Raltseye 11:36, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Melemele

According to the Japanese Pokedex trailer the first island (northwest on the map) is メレメレ (Melemele, Hawaiian for "Yellow") --Deuxhero (talk) 02:03, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

There are a couple assumptions in that statement. We only intend to add confirmed (certain) Sun/Moon info. In short: we're going to wait on more (and English) info. Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:07, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Guardian Pokemon

the gameplay at E3 mentions that there are guardian pokemon for each island, and that there is a festival(s) held for them. Should we add this info now?Yamitora1 (talk) 06:53, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

We need more info about it before we can say for sure. And we don't even know if Tapu Koko is a Pokémon or not. Chomper4 (talk) 13:00, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

How much more info do you need to say that each island has a guardian pokemon? also what/who is Tapu Koko?Yamitora1 (talk) 04:56, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Tapu Koko is one of the guardian Pokemon, according to what the characters say. Ataro (talk) 07:21, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

I agree we should mention the Islands Guardian Pokémon, but I believe we should refrain from giving them names. Tapu Koko may very well be an epithet, title or alias for the Pokémon. After all, there are no Pokémon with divided names. Pokémon with hyphenated names, yes (Ho-oh); Pokémon with titles, yes (Guardian of Time, etc.); but none that I can remember (unless you want to include Pokémon with alternate forms or Mega evolutions) have two names.(Shadoguardian (talk) 07:31, 20 June 2016 (UTC))

Agreed, plus Tapu Koko translates to "Sacred+Blood" so it sounds more like an epithet than it's actual name.Animaltamer708:29, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Division by Island Name

The name of the first island was released today, Melemele Island, so I was wondering if, after the other island names are released, new pages are made for each island. Srushj11 (talk) 18:44, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

We don't know enough about them yet to say. It might be reasonable to split the islands off into separate articles, or they might work more organically as subsections of the Alola page. It just depends on what the situation is after the game's released and we know everything. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:48, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Regional Villains

Team Skull as regional villains? I know that the English name is still up for debate. But that's not stopped us before. CzarTyrant (talk) 06:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Edit: I tried signing this normally. But the website decided that typing four tildes was 'destructive' and therefore didn't let me do it. - unsigned comment from CzarTyrant (talk • contribs)

Should Aether Foundation be removed from Regional Villains? Seems like a pretty unnecessary spoiler. ShadyCharacter (talk) 18:30, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Spoiler or not, they are still villains. If you didn't want to be spoiled, then avoid the S&M pages.--ForceFire 04:21, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

The recent chain of reverted edits on this page indicates people still disagree on this point. Can we get a discussion going here to figure out what should be done? I'm in favor of including it, personally. Xolroc (talk) 17:37, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

The Aether Foundation is a villainous group. But it's not a team, which is why it's been removed from listings of villainous teams.

The solution I'd prefer would be to just move our villainous team article to something like "villainous group" and adjust links accordingly. Game Freak has demonstrated that they're willing to break the "team = main antagonist" structure, and we should be flexible enough to accept that. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:42, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I agree with you, and would add that, for what is being discussed here, whether the Foundation is a team or not is immaterial; the article says "regional villains", making no mention of whether they are a team or not. Xolroc (talk) 17:51, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I personally really don't agree with labeling Aether as "villains". Its head, Lusamine, may be the games' big bad, and part of the Foundation may be cooperating with her (namely Faba and perhaps/arguably some other people in the Secret Labs), but that doesn't make it "evil" as a whole. Aether has very clear "good" goals as a whole. Tiddlywinks (talk) 18:22, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Tiddlywinks. (But I note that N and parts of Team Plasma may also be good, and we list Team Plasma as a whole as villains. So it's apparently kinda subjective where that threshold is.) Nescientist (talk) 18:55, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Aether puts Pokémon in forced cryogenic sleep. Not just Lusamine in that secret room:The Employee who gives you the Soul Dew says that other members did too. And since neither Gladion nor Wicke has shut down said practice by freeing said frozen Pokémon, I believe that is damning enough. And the Employees outside of the Paradise don't have any programmed new dialogue for when/if you decide to visit them while on Gladion's raid on his home, so they aren't evidence for or against. --BlisseyandtheAquaJets (talk) 19:06, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict, resetting indent) I guess I'm fine with not labeling them as "villains," but they definitely serve the role of primary antagonists, and I think that's the whole point of things like the villainous team page and the "regional villain" entry in the template. If there's an antagonist that's not a team at all and not a villain per se, why should we constrict ourself to old assumptions? Shouldn't we update our things to call those groups "antagonists" rather than "villains", then? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:09, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

BlisseyandtheAquaJets, can you quote to me the line(s) that you think says other members put Pokemon in cryogenic sleep?

I don't think Aether (as a whole) are much of "antagonists" either. You just visit the place confrontationally at a single point, and that's basically to fight Lusamine. Everything revolves around Lusamine, not Aether. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:20, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Keep in mind that Team Aqua and Team Magma also aren't unconditionally antagonists, either. In Sapphire, Team Magma are the good guys, working against Team Aqua, and in Ruby their roles are reversed, and then in Emerald both work sometimes against and sometimes for the player, with their primary goal being to work against each other. And a lot of Team Plasma, N especially, were actually working for what they thought was good, as mentioned above. Even within generation VII, Team Skull didn't seem to be much of an antagonistic team--not only were they regarded as a pushover by locals and barely even worth retaliating against, they actually helped the player in a few spots. Of course they helped when the player was going to rescue Guzma, their leader, but they also were willing to operate the Pokémon center in Po Town, for example. Their villainy is mostly restricted to petty crime, if even that--not even the sort of organized crime Team Rocket has. I would argue that Aether, or at least a subset of it containing Lusamine, many anonymous members, and possibly Faba, is the main villainous group in generation VII. An antagonist doesn't have to have much confrontational contact with the protagonist to be an antagonist. Keep in mind that Team Plasma looked like good guys (if suspicious ones) at first, and the player only ever visited any Team Flare facility once if I remember right (my memory of gen vi isn't the best). And look at generation II: Team Rocket is broken, and barely does anything. The one thing of note they do is take over the radio tower. (their role was expanded in the remakes, I think, but the point still stands). Xolroc (talk) 20:25, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

When you mix and match groups like that, the strength of the whole doesn't strictly add up to the sum of its parts.

The Po Town Pokemon Center was not a charity operation by any stretch.

Team Plasma was still focused on "liberating" Pokemon no matter what anyone else wanted. They're basically a radical group, plenty antagonistic if nothing else.

Team Flare is hardly worth even touching on, since the one thing you bring up about it is about the most meaningless indicator of any sort of villainy. (No offense. Just, like I said... Disparate things about disparate groups doesn't strictly make a strong argument overall.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:38, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm just trying to get the point across that having minimal interaction with the protagonist isn't necessarily indication that they're not the main antagonist. I agree with you that there are good members of Aether, and that Aether as a whole reformed after the whole thing was over, but that doesn't remove the fact that Aether foundation employees are encountered who work against the player, actively trying to stop them from reaching the top-secret areas... and, not to mention the shady research that was going on in the basement, particularly what was done with the three Type:Null after they were deemed a failure. I am not particularly good at arguing a point, but I hope you can see where I'm coming from at least. Xolroc (talk) 02:22, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Akala Island Grand Trial

We know that Olivia is going to be the Grand Kahuna --DSDark 18:57, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Alternative Russian as stated on the Russian Nintendo website

Could someone add the Russian name Алула Alula source here --Raltseye prata med mej 12:42, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Doesn't have an Ice-Type specialist?

If I recall correctly, Alola is the only region in which every type has a specialist. Fire - Kiawe, Water - Lana, Grass - Mallow, Normal - Ilima, Bug - Guzma, Fighting - Hala, Flying - Kihili, Dark - Nanu, Ghost - Acerola, Dragon - Ryuki, Electric - Sophocles, Fairy - Mina, Rock - Olivia, Ground - Hapu, Poison - Plumeria, Steel - Molayne, Psychic - Faba and Dexio, and Ice - Sina.- unsigned comment from Latios86101 (talk • contribs)

Only four of Sina's Pokemon in the Battle Tree are actually Ice-types, and she's just visiting Alola-she doesn't have any prominent role in the region itself. TechSkylander1518 (talk) 01:48, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Trivia

Alola is the first region to not feature a hometown for the player character.--Robin Maximo (talk) 20:25, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

The player's hometown is Hau'oli Outskirts on Route 1. It doesn't matter that it's not a literal town; we list it on the hometown page, so it counts as one. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 01:55, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

So if I list something on a page, it's automatically true? Flawed logic. Regardless of the player living their, it's still not a traditional hometown. --HoennMaster 06:46, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

But you guys said yourselves that he lives in route 1 in his profile, and you too consider Hau'Oli Outskirts part of route 1 in route 1´s page, í understand nothing anymore.--Robin Maximo (talk) 11:06, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

The Pokémon School Isn't Anime-Exclusive

There is a Pokémon School on Melemele Island in the games as well, it's down the street from your home. BlackButterfree (talk) 19:49, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Please consult Talk:Melemele Island#Pokemon School. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:07, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Only Pokémon League without a victory road

Okay. First thing first: there is a Pokémon League associated with Johto, and there is a Victory road before that league. The fact that both the league and the Victory Road are in Kanto is ridiculous-grade semantic nitpicking. But, second, if we must argue semantic "...that does not have a Victory Road before its Pokemon League", by the very nature of the sentence, directly implies that it's only talking about regions that have their own Leagues. In which case, Johto does not apply either. That piece of trivia is perfectly valid. --Evil Figment (talk) 23:43, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Let me get this straight: you're basically saying It's the only region with a Pokemon League without Victory Road? If that's reason you want it in, I think we should reword it. (Although maybe not the way I just did). ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 00:27, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

My point is that if you say "the only region without a Victory Road", Johto makes it invalid, and if you add "that has a Pokemon League", it's invalidated by our policy against nitpicky clauses to contort a point into being unique. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 01:11, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Indeed; I was quite surprised that it was re-added. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 01:49, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Common sense plays some role. Johto League challengers go through a Victory Road to reach their Pokemon League. A lot of those nitpicky clauses are reaching beyond simplicity. This isn't nitpicky for the sake of getting to something unique, this is molding it to accurately convey a plainly intuitive fact that has complicated technicalities. If you're in Johto, you go through Victory Road before hitting your Pokemon League. This is fundamentally the same as every other region before Alola, regardless of the fact that Victory Road and Indigo Plateau are identified as being part of Kanto. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:32, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Correct, and the above is the Senior Staff's final decision on the matter. There is a Pokémon League associated with Johto. That Pokémon League has a Victory Road before it. Which side of a line on the map this league falls on is pedantic nitpickery, not a useful factual correction. --Evil Figment (talk) 04:46, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

It's clear that nothing else I say will change your minds, and yet I still don't understand. The Pokemon League is in Kanto, not Johto, so how does that make Johto follow the "crowd"? Also, wouldn't it make more sense to have this fact in Pokémon Sun and Moon instead? Note: Just so we're clear, I'm not trying to convince you anymore, I've given up already; I just want clarification. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 05:10, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if the league and Victory Road is in Kanto, the people of Johto still has to traverse through a Victory Road to get to the league. Remember, Johto shares a league with Kanto.--ForceFire 05:53, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Ah, they share a league. Now I get your logic. Thank you Force Fire. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 05:59, 1 August 2017 (UTC)