Talk:Litten (Pokémon)

Litten's Name Origin

I am sure it is based off of the words little, lit, and kitten, similar to Litleo. Chomper4 (talk) 12:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

The name Litten may also be based on the Norwegian Liten meaning small. And I suspect that the Li part may be based on Liger (A hybrid cross between a lion and a tiger.) but we have to wait for the final evolution before we can confirm or de confirm that one. --Basinox (talk) 14:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

I think this is getting a bit too speculative. There isn't much reason to assume that the English name is based off of Norwegian at the moment. Lit an kitten can be assumed, but little and liger seem like a stretch to add as many meanings as possible without any substantial support. This is an issue that I'm seeing on a lot of pages where one or two letters are used as a justification for adding as many semi-related words without any real support. --KingStarscream (talk) 21:12, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

I simply wonder why anyone hasn't considered that litter may be part of the name. It is a very important part of taking care of a cat, after all. --GameCubeAdvance (talk) 21:55, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

That's too farfetch'd. Sure it has some kind of connection but still not a reference. And besides that's only if the cat's domestic, a wild cat wouldn't have a litterbox now would it? --Raltseye 22:16, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Regarding its Japanese name, Nyabby, where are people seeing "火 hi (fire)" anywhere? I think it's far too speculative to say that word had any part of this Pokemon's name. It's not like "Hihidaruma". --KiANGLO ^(TALK) 01:40, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

There are words like 花火, where 火 is 'bi'. That's how Japanese usually works when you join a voicable sound with another word/kanji. Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:54, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

I believe the word "nab" may have something to do with the Japanese name origin. Scruffyfan (talk) 13:22, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Litter is also a 'group of young animals born to an animal at a time...

The legendary PkmnTrainerV is Here! (talk) 10:48, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

And again my assertion that we're getting to speculative about it. It's lit because putting fire onto something is "lighting" it, and "lit" is the past and future imperfect form of "to light". Also, Litten being 1' 4" and waying 9.5 pounds actually puts it right within the size range of a medium or large cat breed, if measurement doesn't include its tail (which seems to be the case, given its weight). So "little" is not a word you would use to describe the kind of cat that it is. --KingStarscream (talk) 18:34, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Now we know it's small in comparison to its final form-- at first it's small to an 11 year old trainer, and then Incineroar is big to a child. I do agree that it's a medium-sized cat species and also inspired by a tiger (is Tony the Tiger well known in Japan?) but when one looks at tiger cubs, one is surprised that they start out so little and squeaky. I thought it was a play on "lit up" and "litter", myself. It may be even a triple pun. Infinitecats (talk) 05:29, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Why is ニャビー transliterated as Nyabby instead of Nyaby or Nyabii? The English alphabet one is what stuck in my head, so I told someone it was called ニャッビ in Japanese. I'm doubtful there could be an association with "tabby", as striped cats are just called "tiger cats" in Japanese. So the double b seems like an error unless there's some merchandise with "Nyabby" in English letters on it somewhere. Infinitecats (talk) 05:29, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

head symbol?

could the markings on its head be a kenji simbol like キ?Yamitora1 (talk) 14:32, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Nope. Its from the Alchemical symbol for Sulfur. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Sulfur_symbol_1_2.svg PowerPlantRaichu (talk) 19:59, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

While there have been some theories that it could be a alchemic symbol called the Leviathan Cross (or simply Brimstone Symbol in Asia). But it is more likely just the style they used to draw the stripes on his head. A style which is fairly not uncommon in Japan. --Basinox (talk) 20:09, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it more likely. It'd be a pretty weird coincidence. Still though, at this point its anyone's guess. Hopefully one of its evolutions will make the design's purpose more clear, but i'm not counting on it XD PowerPlantRaichu (talk) 11:07, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

the head symbol, along with it's eyes could be the alchemic symbol for fire. this could point to the alola starters and some pokemon being based off alchemy - unsigned comment from Philip.spence (talk • contribs)

More specifically the head symbol along with its eyes resemble sulfur symbol, sulfur is a gas emanated by magma. - unsigned comment from Pescavelho (talk • contribs)

Chinese Zodiac

There's been a trend for Fire-type starters and their evolutionary lines to be based off of an animal in the Chinese Zodiac. Charizard is a dragon, Cyndaquil is a rat, Torchic & Combusken are roosters, the Chimchar line consists of monkeys, the Tepig line consists of pigs, and the Fennekin line consists of foxes, a type of wild dog. Litten appears to be based off of a tiger, furthering this trend; it would be a good idea to add this to the main article under "origin." - unsigned comment from KingStarscream (talk • contribs)

This is a very popular theory, but I'm hesitant on it. Largely because Cyndaquil being a rat is a smidge of a stretch. Additionally, we should wait until more is known about Litten. Crystal Talian 22:21, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

I think that if the final evolution ends up being a tiger than its real life influence is probably partly based on the Tiger Tabby Cat. Which while it current design does allure to this, with the way the stripes are designed, must still be considered a stretch as it has a lot more in common with the typical Bombay cat. --Basinox (talk) 20:18, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Cyndaquil is based on an echnidna, which isn't even a rodent, and its final evolved form is a badger, which still isn't a rodent. It's like saying Donphan is a sofa. If you have to change something to make it fit the pattern, there is no pattern. Me, Hurray! (talk) 14:23, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Just saying, but Cyndaquil's category is "Fire Mouse Pokemon" or "ひねずみ" ねずみ　can correlate to 鼠　which can mean mouse or rat and the same character is also used for the Rat zodiac --Pdpd999 (talk) 13:34, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

What Cyndaquil's category is is irrelevant. It is still not a rat, it is not based off a rat, which this whole theory relies on.--ForceFire 13:44, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

There's also the fact that foxes are considered as separate animals from a mytho-cultural standpoint. So Fennikin can't be part of the Zodiac either. So we're two out without stretching the rules further than would be necessary if it was a legitimate attempt at including the Zodiac. I've long since dismissed the idea as simply being a case of apophenia. --KingStarscream (talk) 18:49, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Trivia Evolution

Don't we have his final evolution and the final evolution of Popplio on the Pokémon Sun and Moon boxarts? If they are, shouldn't they be added to the Trivia or somewhere else? Lokki (talk) 06:39, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

There is nothing to suggest the two Pokémon on the boxart are at all related to Popplio or Litten. Plus, there are too many differences between them for them to be evolutions, especially as Popplio and the Moon Pokémon are vastly different species (which doesn't mean anything in Pokémon, but still). I'm pretty sure the two Pokémon on the boxart are completely unrelated Legendaries. ----samm :D 06:50, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Litten's Origin

It's pretty obvious Litten's a black cat, but has it been pointed out yet that it could possibly be a play on Bombay? It's a breed of cat that happens to be very intelligent and caring with solid black fur and bright yellow eyes, like Litten. If it really is supposedly a bomb cat with the fuse and sulfur, wouldn't it make sense for it to possibly be from Bombay cats? Err, sorry, this is going a little into speculation, but I thought I should at least point it out. Drbiohazmat (talk) 22:04, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Litten's Japanese name as well as it's stripes suggest it is based on a tabby.Robbie (talk) 16:57, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Actually, its stripes seem to suggest that it's a tiger. The ones on its head are especially distinctive to the way cartoon tigers are often drawn. And then there's the coloring, too. --KiANGLO ^(TALK) 01:40, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

If it was tiger, it would have a thicker body and legs and round ears. Tabbies have stripes too.- unsigned comment from Robbie (talk • contribs)

Yeah, and Giraffes have longer necks and Mammoths have trunks. But look what happened to Girafarig and Mamoswine, Pokemon doesn't necessarily have to follow real world things.--ForceFire 04:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Some do. Compare Litten and Litleo.Robbie (talk) 12:21, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

I don't think the fact that it doesn't have a thick body and legs disqualifies it from being a tiger. It's still in its most basic stage--as an unevolved Pokémon, you can't really expect it to necessarily have those traits.

Look at it this way. Even Growlithe's page mentions that it has traits of tigers, and that evolutionary line is decidedly canine-based. Tigers absolutely deserve a mention in Litten's case. I'm also going to agree with the point that some Pokémon are more loosely based on their real-life counterpart species than others. I mean, Pikachu hardly looks like a mouse... --KiANGLO ^(TALK) 06:36, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

It has no body stripes. It barely has ANY stripes (just headstripes and rings around its legs), and certainly not enough to cry tiger at this moment. Growlithe, however, has the tiger stripes from the start and continue into their evolution, plus hindsight to the fact we know its entire line. There's no prove yet the Litten line was going to be tiger-based, but if that's where its' line goes, we'll mention it. But right now it's an ordinary house cat. With flaming hairballs. Kai * the Arc Toraph 15:50, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Number

In one of the japanese trailers released June 2nd, 2016 the pokedex numbers was shown for Alola and Litten is given 4 this should be reflected here DSDark 23:09, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

I agree, there's enough conclusive evidence to say that it's definitely "#004 Alola". If they were going to split the dex into parts like with Kalos, the "part" could be added in later. Compare the template of any Gen VI Pokémon (such as Chespin) to see what I mean. --KiANGLO ^TALK 04:21, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Keep in mind that updating a heavily used template like that infobox also puts a load on the wiki, so we (staff) may prefer to wait until we know the subdivisions anyway just so we're not going through that twice. Tiddlywinks (talk) 07:01, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

This also means the Litten is No. 725 in the National Dex - unsigned comment from Theexploringgamer (talk • contribs)

There could be a number 0 in the alola dex (ala Victini), so we're not assuming its national dex number.--ForceFire 03:35, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

If there is a number 0, this still means that they would be in the 720s. Could it be possible to put Rowlet, Litten, and Popplio as #72? for now? Theexploringgamer (talk) 14:16, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

NO assumptions, thank you. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:33, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

There's no point in putting a partial number. We all know in our hearts that it'll probably be in the 720s, but there is honestly no reason at all to put anything that's not the official National Pokédex number. We have no use for a number we're not sure on. — KiANGLO ^TALK 03:57, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Typo

There's a typo in the Biology part of the article, where it says "then use it form fireballs" Alex Longclaw (talk) 18:10, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Fixed; thanks for pointing it out. --Carmen★ (Talk | contribs) 18:14, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Basis

Considering that the island where you can get Litten, Melemele Island, is based off of Oahu, could the fact that Litten is a cat be based off of the fact that there is an overpopulation of feral cats on Oahu and other Hawaiian Islands? Logo7 (talk) 15:15, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Just because it is clearly based on a cat and available in a region based on Hawaii doesn't mean that it's origin is necessarily related to that fact. Unless the Pokédex, animé, or some other source gives any implication that Litten (which will presumably only be obtainable in-game as a starter) is supposedly abundant in Alola or that specific corresponding island, I would not consider that a part of its basis. —Andy^P_K^M_N (talk) 17:59, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Seconded. Cats are in overabundance on most islands where they are introduced, since they end up being apex predators. It's part of the reason dodos are extinct and some countries ban cats as pets. It's not a specific issue to Hawaii and especially not Oahu. --KingStarscream (talk) 03:53, 26 October 2016 (UTC)