Talk:Marshadow (Pokémon)

Officially Revealed?

Has Marshadow actually been officially revealed, or is its existence only known through datamining? In previous generations, we did not add pages for Pokémon or add them to lists until they had been officially revealed. (For example: Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion.) Is this a change in Bulbapedia policy, an oversight, or have I missed something? Kidburla (talk) 17:32, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

It's only known through datamining at this point. That was Bulbapedia's policy through most of Gen 6, but prior to then we used to acknowledge all Pokemon known through datamining regardless of their official release, and the staff decided to acknowledge Volcanion at the same time Hoopa was revealed. So I really don't even know at this point whether our policy has gone back to what it used to be, or if Volcanion (and Marshadow?) is just a special case, or if something else is happening. If a staff member could elucidate, that'd be much appreciated. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:38, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

With the beginning of Gen VI, data-mining of 3DS games was a very new skill and not very verifiable. We've since reached the point where we're comfortable with the state of data mining and verifiability/trustworthiness. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:24, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! Makes perfect sense. Kidburla (talk) 23:27, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Picture

Where is Marshadow's picture? I understand that it doesn't have official artwork because it hasn't been officially revealed yet, but even a screenshot from in-game would be preferable to the redtext link that's there now. Geodude6 (talk) 21:55, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

For Volcanion prior to it being officially revealed, we used "None.png" as the image. I have changed the page so it now follows the same approach, so the redlink is gone. Kidburla (talk) 03:01, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I tried to do the same for the evolution line portion of the page, but couldn't get it to work. Geodude6 (talk) 04:02, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Before Arceus was revealed we had fan art instead JMVB - I don't what to put here. (talk) 20:33, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

That was then, the image policies have changed now.Animaltamer704:47, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

We are definitely not going to be using fanart as a placeholder again. --SnorlaxMonster 14:32, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Last numbered Pokémon

For Volcanion we had the following text (even before Volcanion was officially revealed): "Volcanion is the final Pokémon in the National Pokédex as of Generation VI." Can we have something similar here? My only concern is that there is no "National Pokédex" in Gen7 per se. So I'm not quite sure how to re-word this. I'm open to suggestions... Kidburla (talk) 02:50, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Like you said, there is no National Pokedex at this time. I've heard rumors it'll be part of Pokemon Bank's update, so maybe we should wait 'til then? I'm not sure. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Not a rumour, it's been announced by TCPI http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-gb/pokemon-bank/ JMVB - I don't what to put here. (talk) 20:33, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

new marshadow pic

heres the photo if you wanted: a:File:marshadow__with_linework.png AND I REALLY WANT TO EDIT IT --Lunalascout (talk) 20:27, 11 December 2016 (UTC)lunalascout

See above, fanart/fanwork is not allowed for profile pictures.Animaltamer708:51, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Are the in game models of Pokemon allowed for the profille pictures?

Or are we just going to wait until official artwork come out? Latios86101 (talk) 20:35, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

The above conversations should tell you already, no not yet.Animaltamer709:25, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Inclusion of additional words for Marshadow name origin?

Since the name Marshadow was rumored, speculated, and leaked, I've always just seen two words in its name: Marsh and Shadow. Oddly enough, no-one else I had seen talk about this seemed to share the same opinions. The name obviously uses the word Shadow, but what's the "Marsh-" from? Marsh? Mars? Martial Arts? Nightmarcher? Marshmallow?

Because it's not exactly clear that "Martial Arts" and "Nightmarcher" are the only words contibuting to its "Marsh-" name origin, can we say "Marshadow may be a combination of "shadow" and "martial arts," "nightmarcher," "marshmallow," "marsh," and "mars"", or something like that? Paintspotinfez (talk) 02:29, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Name origins should have a connection (obviously). Marshmallow just seems like a wild guess because it's a word that starts with marsh. Marsh doesn't seem to have any particular connection. And mars, if you mean Mars the God of war, doesn't fit either; fighting doesn't automatically equal "God of war", especially when it's also "cowardly". Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:40, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

I disagree. "Mars" refers to war and fighting, and "shadow" refers to it's cowardly nature. Hence it's fighting and ghost typing. Secondly, it looks like a marshmallow since it's puffy, so it's english name might also be a play on it's appearance and an homage to Ghost's Busters Giant Marshallow Ghost (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stay_Puft_Marshmallow_Man). TheTrainerH (talk) 20:23, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Marshmallow is a pretty big amount of fancy and speculation considering what's known of Marshadow so far. It's much closer to coincidence than meaning.

Mars is a bit similar. I get it: it's a direct part of Marshadow's name, it seems obvious. But nothing suggests Marshadow is a god or anything. And martial arts is a pretty remarkably good fit that already explains it without the other downsides.

If the anime or something depicts Marshadow as marshmallow-y or describes a godlike background for it or something, then they might be worth adding. At this point in time, though, there's not a lot to draw on that supports these ideas well. Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:46, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

The word "Mars" refers to War & Fighting, and being it's Ghostly nature, it's rarity as a *legendary*, and it's special move, the deity connotation from the word "Mars" is there. But even without the deity connotation, the word still fits because the word references fighting. Secondly, the combination of it's appearance and it's name make it being a reference to a *Ghost* that was Puffy and liked to Smash stuff from Pop culture very very possible, if not a very direct reference to it. - unsigned comment from TheTrainerH (talk • contribs)

Mars is the god of war. The typing is Fighting, not War. Since a majority of Fighting types are based around some form of martial arts, it's unlikely war comes anywhere into it. Wars are fought with weapons. Swords, bows, guns etc. It has none of that. So, it seems like a huge stretch to get from its name and type to Mars and Fighting. Also, what's being Ghostly got to do with Mars? Rarity too, that also has nothing to do with Mars. As for being a reference to a marshmallow, it doesn't look like any marshmallow I've ever seen. And I don't even see how it's "puffy". ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 21:09, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Majority, but Fighting could reference Mars via name. In fact it makes sense, plus deities like Mars are considered spirits, so I agree, it's name is probably a reference to Mars, but Marshmallow is a bit of a stretch. TL;DR I agree with Mars but not Marshmallow. TsukikoKoizumi (talk) 03:04, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Shiny Marshadow

Go ahead and hate me, but I use Powersaves for unreleased shiny testing (and ONLY that!), but when I made Marshadow shiny, there was no difference. I have compared it to the Pokedex, and, in case I had trouble remembering exact colors, side by side with the art on the page. Should this be added in as trivia?

-Redacted, apparently the smoke is a slightly different color. TsukikoKoizumi (talk) 21:11, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Should this article be up this soon?

I'm not trying to say that this article should be deleted, but I just want to point out how odd it is that Marshadow already has an article before it got an official reveal. The Generation VI Mythical Pokémon didn't receive any articles until their own official reveals from what I can gather even though they were public knowledge for months thanks to dataminers (similarly to Marshadow's situation), so it seems odd that Marshadow would break that supposed standard. Bowserbros (talk) 22:27, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Look up. --Carmen★ (Talk | contribs) 22:29, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Alternate Form?

The Coro-Coro mag that displays the Z-Move shows Marshadow in a different form, but there is no mention of it anywhere (and it looks like a USUM-exclusive form). I cannot read in Japanese, however, so I cannot confirm if it is something like a Mega Evolution or a move-related transformation. I thought I would just let you guys know. UxieLover1994 (talk) 12:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

It's not a form, it's just the Z-Move animation. It appears if you hack Marshadow and its Z-Crystal into Sun/Moon, too, not just USUM. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Old thread, but now that editing is re-enabled I wanted to chime in. It seems that the official Pokemon Center pins list this Z-move animation as its 'Zenith form', so at the very least we know that GF recognizes it as something different seeing as how they gave it an official name. From what I can tell, this is more or less the exact same scenario as with Xerneas, Solgaleo, and Lunala, where it's just an animation rather than an actual form change. Seeing as how those other articles bother to mention these alternate 'forms', it would make sense to do the same here, right? - unsigned comment from ImNotGoodAtPasswords (talk • contribs)

Agreeed. If Lunala and Solgaleo's move animation "Phases" or Xerneas' Neutral Mode should be included, so should Marshadow's Fighting SpiritUncleben85 (talk) 23:39, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Marshadow and the number 7

Marshadow seems to have a lot of connections to the number 7 now that I look back at it. First of all, it was revealed on the 7th of April. Its Z-Move is called Soul-Stealing Seven Star Strike. Also, its height is 0.7 metres. Additionally, its Shuffle Ability says "Sometimes erases seven extra matching Pokémon elsewhere". This final one is probably a coincidence but it was released in Gen 7. I'm not sure if this is as big as a connection like Gimmighoul and 999 or Spiritomb and 108, so I don't want to add to Trivia before discussing this.

Miraidonguy (talk) 19:25, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

They could all be coincidence, but the inclusion of the number 7 in its Z-Move'z name is intriguing. Why is it called Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike? If there's some connection between that and its origins, that might be compelling evidence for an intentional connection between Marshadow and the number 7. Storm Aurora (talk) 20:54, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Not sure how this might relate to Marshadow, but could 7-Star refer to the seven stars of the Big Dipper constellation, hence the seven star Z-symbol constellation that appears in the move's animation? Landfish7 00:25, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Now that you talk about it, the animation of the seven stars does resemble the Big Dipper quite a lot, with a quadrilateral (trapezoid in the Dipper, rectangle in the move) and a slightly bent line of 3 stars, except that while they are on the bottom right side of and connect to the Dipper, the stars are now on the top of the "Z" rectangle. Miraidonguy (talk) 05:19, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

This is similar to how Victini is based around the letter V with its design and the move V-create which appear to be references to the number of the generation it was introduced in. I think Marshadow is related to the number seven in the same way.--Rocket Grunt 11:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)