Talk:RKS System (Ability)

Name Origin for RKS

The name RKS is phonetically similar to Arceus, which has a similar ability and concept. If someone could add this when the article is created that would be great :D ----Celadonkey (talk) 14:05, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Actually, RKS stands for Record Keeping System, or Record Keeping Server. Which makes sense considering the fact that Silvally changes type depending on a memory held. (Yater31 (talk) 15:50, 18 January 2017 (UTC))

It could easily be both. The acronym could have been chosen first to make the reference, then the name created so it would make sense in-universe. (I don't recall any mention of that meaning in-game, though) The fact that the Polish and Russian names use the same acronym seems to support this, unless there's an acronym that would fit in those languages that I'm not aware of. There's also the multiple instances of languages using Alpha in the name-Alpha doesn't really have anything to do with record-keeping, but it certainly has a strong tie to Arceus. (it's even its category in the PokeDex) TechSkylander1518 (talk) 16:02, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Actually, RKS might also be a reference to Arceus, which makes sense considering the fact that the ability is very similar to Arceus', the pokemon's line is an obvious reference to Arceus, the Japanese name AR System which might also be a reference to Arceus, and how the name in some other languages "Alpha" or "Primevo" might be a reference to Arceus, the Alpha Pokemon. --Rainzoneg (talk) 09:30, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

...Those are the points that I already made. TechSkylander1518 (talk) 22:40, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

It seems pretty clear that it was named with Arceus in mind. That being said, Record Keeping System is viable too, with Memories and all. Even with all that, on many Pokémon pages for name origin it says "may be based on" or "may be named after". So with all of this, why haven't we added this to a trivia section? --Celadonkey 18:34, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

How do you all pronounce "Arceus"? Since the 'C' comes right before the 'E', I read it as "Are-see-us". Anyway, since there's no real voices in Pokemon games, it's hard to tell exactly how Pokemon names are pronounced. So after thinking over it for awhile, I agree that it could be made to sound like "Arceus" if pronounced as "Are-kee-us". However, it also cannot be ignored that RKS is a real-world acronym used by Digital-Memory Managers that stands for "Record Keeping Server". So if anyone adds the the connection to Arceus' name to the trivia, then they must also address this.(Yater31 (talk) 23:06, 14 April 2017 (UTC))

I've always pronounced it with a hard K sound - that's how I learned it and I kept with it when I found out it was more etymologically accurate. I believe RKS might be a reference to Record Keeping Server, but that's not really what RKS System does, and a lot of the foreign language names involve "Alpha", Arceus's category, so I think that is the main origin. Regardless of what I think is the primary source for the name, I think they both should be included. --Celadonkey 00:46, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

The edit notes say you shouldn't add an edit implying a link with Silvally and Arceus, but would it be okay to just say that (the ability name) is phonetically similar, with the additional note that there's no direct link between the two? "Mrawr." - Unusual Venusaur (talk) 06:29, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I agree with Unusual Venusaur, because RKS sounds like Arceus and the ability to hold memories to change it's type is just like how Arceus can hold Plates and those will also change it's type. ♦GrainedCargo192♦ 00:02, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

RKS: A pun on Arceus's name?

The user Coffeebeanz on gamefaqs posted this message:

Silvally has basically the same gimmick as Arceus - his type depends on what item he has equipped.
RKS = Ar Ce Us

Can we add either a Trivia or Name Origin section to state this? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 16:47, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorry about that ForceFire; I edited the other languages tab, so I didn't see the hidden note. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 15:19, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Honestly, I very strongly disagree with the policy of this page... I think it is very clear based on what the ability does that "RKS" is a double meaning for "Record Keeping System" and "Arceus", and the fact that it is "AR System" in Japanese, Korean, and Chinese, and even more definitively, "Alpha System" in French and German, shows that the name is an allusion to Arceus.

It doesn't have to be a "possible connection", but the name for sure references Arceus, and I strongly believe it would be in our best interest to include it. --Celadonkey 21:41, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Seconding this, because the reference to Arceus was so obvious from day one, I was surprised to find out that it wasn't allowed on this page. I'm sure no one is claiming that there is an official in-game connection, but why does this need any more official confirmation on probable etymology than any of the other name origin trivia? Yoriven (talk) 10:25, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

"Please do not add any trivia mentioning a possible connection to Arceus"

Although I think that an outstanding similarity between RKS and Arceus should be noted, I am ok that we don't say anythink about it, nor will I try to add it. But I would honestly like to know the reason why someone forbid it. Thanks if anyone cares to answer that, I think the rest of the community would also like to know. Suic12- (talk) 22:15, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Because it's speculation to assume it has some connection with Arceus. And saying "RKS" sounds like "Arceus" falls into the category of opinion and no real/proper pronunciation for Pokémon names.--ForceFire 12:37, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with that, but nobody would be assuming anything by just pointing out a similarity. It wouldn't say that there is for sure a connection, just that the names of this ability, in several languages, might be making a reference to Arceus, which has a similar ability. That is the sort of thing you can find in lots of trivias in Bulbapedia, like origins and name origins of Pokémon, and even saying two Pokémon might be counterparts of one another or that they share some similarities. Anyway, that's just my opinion, I'm not pushing any further. Just thought it was to great an aversion for such a small issue. Suic12- (talk) 20:58, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Interaction with Reflect Type

It's noted on the page for the move Reflect Type that it fails when the target has the Ability Multitype. Assuming RKS System functions identically to Multitype, would Reflect Type also fail if the target has the Ability RKS System? 10smears (talk) 04:16, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

That's not what the page says. Reflect Type will fail if used BY a Pokémon with Multitype. Nevertheless, it should be tested if it would fail if used by a Pokémon with RKS System, but since RKS System can't be copied, and Silvally can't use Reflect Type, it can't be legitimately done. Suic12- (talk) 16:29, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Adding Trivia

Why is it forbidden to add trivia saying that the Ability's name sounds like "Arceus"? As far as I can see, it's no different than the 'Name origin' sections on any Pokémon's page, which also assume what the names mean. It doesn't make sense there should be a restriction just for this Ability. Aberration (talk) 15:47, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Absolutely agree. The name origin is clear-- even if there's no lore connection between Silvally and Arceus, the name is an obvious reference. --celadonk (talk) 20:56, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Saying "RKS" sounds like "Arceus" falls into the category no real/proper pronunciation for Pokémon names.--ForceFire 04:19, 23 October 2019 (UTC)