Talk:Red Gyarados

Canon

Very few fans realize that the presence of the red Gyarados in the games is not caused by the induced evolution of the resident Magikarp. The anime intertwined the two events and used the connection as an excuse for the unusual coloring (the Magikarp retained its color upon evolving irregularly); the game dialogue never so much as hints at such a connection.

It is true that battling the red Gyarados triggers Lance's appearance, from which point the battle against Team Rocket ensues, eventually leading to the termination of the source of electromagnetic waves responsible for inducing evolution on Magikarp. However, that is the extent of it; the characters who actually reference the red Gyarados at Lake of Rage have nothing to do with the Team Rocket event.

Also of note is the fact that the report found in FireRed and LeafGreen pertains to plans of the electromagnetic waves incident; the news broadcast in Diamond and Pearl deals with the potential sighting of red Gyarados, not necessarily at Lake of Rage itself. Both of these are instances of a reference to Generation II events from different angles - plot continuity (FireRed and LeafGreen) and contemporary storylines (Diamond and Pearl).

It is incorrect to place Diamond and Pearl's beginning at the time of red Gyarados' appearance in Gold, Silver and Crystal. The news broadcast does not mention the appearance of the red Gyarados before a trainer in Johto, but rather pinpoints the Pokémon's background as being elusive and sought after. Therefore, it stands to reason that the Lake of Rage sighting takes place later on, possibly allowing for the Johto storyline to commence at the same time as that of Sinnoh. --Unown Lord 12:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Uhhh... I followed almost none of that but, in response to the last part it could just be a rumor of a gyrados or sun reflecting off one scales and such but you do make a point. (one that I couldn't follow) CrystalLucario 13:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

That's actually very good reasoning. I never gave it much attention that the Red Gyarados wasn't created by the forced evolution. However, the information from the start of D/P does definitely agree - the Red Gyarados could NOT have been created by the Rockets because s/he was a legend from before the Chôji Town incident. As for FR/LG, everything about the Sevii storyarc is building towards Johto, and those electromagnetic waves are simply another part of the process. In a way, the Red Gyarados serves as another sign that Gen II is coming back. Good discerning, Unown Lord! --Satosuke 14:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Couldn't it be just a shiny Gyarados in DPP, and not necessarily the one in GSC?--Edge578 23:08, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, though the fact that they chose Gyarados instead of another shiny Pokémon suggests a connection, and they mentioned a lake too, right? Gyarados are found in any large body of water, so why a lake and not a seashore? --LaprasBoi 13:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Very well reasoned... does it make an changes in the article necessary? If not, who cares? Forums. --LaprasBoi 13:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Lake of Rage

I was at Lake of Rage, I battled the red Gyarados, but it blue instead!! I think it was a shiny shiny, a pokemon supposed to be shiny but ended up being normal. --Doomey

...Thats probably just a gitch D: I've never heard of that happening before. Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 09:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I think that since the Gyarados had a 99.999999% chance of being shiny, the creators didnt bother to make it sure shiny. Try restarting. It's the Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links09:19 2 Jul 2008

The Red Gyarados has a 100% chance of being shiny. No ifs, ands, or buts; it's literally impossible for the Red Gyarados to not be shiny. IIMarckus 01:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Shiny

I looked through the article and didn't find anyhting about the Red Gyarados being a shiny Gyarados in the games. It just says about any alternate colour being Red, so I'm going to change it a little. Team Hyper

It’s shiny, it has the sparkles. Alternate color=shiny. It’s the official term. --LaprasBoi 13:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

HG/SS Sprite

The HG/SS sprite for the Red Gyarados is messed up. Most of the time, it won't show up but sometimes it will. I'm sure that someone is already working on fixing the problem but I just wanted to address it just in case no one knew about this. --Dialgafan1 22:15, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Better Sprite Proposal

Sorry for making a second section about the sprite, but it's a different problem technically. The current image depicting the HGSS sprite is, in my opinion, unsatisfactory. I had previously created a sprite with much better quality. http://PokeShinkon.webs.com/Games/HeartgoldSoulsilver/Images/RedGyaradosComparison.bmp

The current one has many problems and mine stays pretty much close to the original image. I propose that we use mine (optional) for now until the official game sprite is released or until a better quality image comes along. My image alone is below.

If this is acceptable, could somebody take my image and re-upload it onto the archives in place of the old one? Rpp 21:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Regeneration?

Does anyone know if the Red Gyarados regenerates after beating the Elite 4 in HGSS, allowing it to be caught later, like Legendary Pokemon? For that matter, what of Snorlax and Sudowoodo?--Purimpopoie 21:48, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

No it does not, and what legendaries are you talking about? No legendaries just come back after you beat the elite 4, it would make no sense plot-wise, plus it would make for infinite of a legendary pokemon. And no, Snorlax and Sudowoodo are 1-time only in Johto. --GEN1KING 00:01, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Dunno about Gyarados, but the legendaries will be regenerated if you accidentally fainted/fled from battle and beat the Elite Four... it'd be nice if you uh, played the game first before answering... ▫▪Ťïňắ ^♫♥ 00:03, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Technically Snorlax isn't even a one-off in Johto. Even in games that feature Johto as the main country, Snorlax is always lazing about on the Kanto side of the international border, although it is indeed a one-off in games with Johto as the main country. --Shiningpikablu252 00:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, usually I don't run from battles against a legendary Pokémon, plus I thought he meant even if you catch it. Also, just to clarify, If you kill Dialga at spear pillar, beat the elite 4 and come back, he will warp through time to battle you? That's great to know. --GEN1KING 00:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

And what games do you suggest feature Johto that DON'T have Johto as the main region? Snorlax is a One-off in Johto. --GEN1KING 00:36, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Pictures!

I just couldn't resist. The picture we have now, while nice, is, in my opinion, kinda bland. This one okay?

PIC REMOVED

The quality looks really low because it's so big, but it actually looks really good smaller :) --GEN1KING 00:41, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

The quality still isn't really good, the one we have now is good for right now...--Psy_ライダー☮ 00:43, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I never said it wasn't good, I just said that there's room for improvement. What quality flaws can you see in that picture at that size, anyway? Besides it shows more of its body, not just a headshot. --GEN1KING 00:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

The fact that it looks soooo low quality...That's the quality flaw...No one cares if whither its a fully body shot or not...--Psy_ライダー☮ 00:51, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Jeez, sorry. I don' think it looks that low quality. And who are you to say no one cares? I'm just saying, more of Gyarados sometimes means a better picture, and people do in fact care whether pictures are good or not. --GEN1KING 00:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Just because the image size was bigger, doesn't mean the picture is better, whether shrunk or not. It was clearly blurry and compared to the one we have now. I would avoid taking Youtube screenshots on fullscreen if I were you, it's not going to make the quality any better. —♥ Jello 00:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, the fact that if you look around you won't see pics that are horrible quality kinda speaks for itself...--Psy_ライダー☮ 00:59, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

It was not a youtube screenshot, but it was low quality. Either way, the fact that you do not like a picture doesn't mean that you have the authority to delete it. It was low quality, but still. --GEN1KING 01:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

sprites

Should the Generation III and D/P/Pt sprites for the Red Gyarados be shown as well? I know that the Red Gyarados doesn't appear as a guaranteed shiny in those games, but it does have sprites, as all shiny Gyarados are red... :P --ZestyCactus 00:55, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

The Magikarp Sprite

On the Template that explains the basic information about the Red Gyrados, the evolution chain shows a shiny magikarp on there intstead of the normal sprite, I think. This Gyrados was a regular colored Magikarp but kept it's red color when it was forced to evolve. Is there any way to change that shiny Magikarp sprite to it's normal colored on because if there is, I have no idea what. Swampert Man_{Swampert is Awesome!} 03:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't know how to do it, so someone needs to change the shiny magikarp to a regular magikarp or something. Pokemonemerfan1954 20:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

IVs in Generation II

In Generation II, do the IVs for the Red Gyarados line up to what they have to be to be shiny, or is it just programmed so that it's always shiny? I think it's just programmed that way, because I just tried the Shiny Ditto glitch with my Red Gyarados, and it didn't work, but I might've just done something wrong. I would try calculating its IVs, but I don't have its EV count, and I'm not about to restart my game. EnosShayrem 02:43, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Intimidate

In Pokémon Adventures, did the Red Gyarados have the ability Intimidate? It can usually have that ability in the games (other than Dream World) but I wasn't sure if this Gyarados had it in the manga. PattyMan 02:51, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Gender of in-game Red Gyarados

How is the gender of the in-game Gyarados determined? Is it set from the beginning of the game? I caught my Red Gyarados several times but it was always male and always had the same IVs. –PatPeter 11:28, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Infobox

The infobox pertains exclusively to the animé, whereas the Pokémon itself appeared in the games, manga, and the animé. It might have appeared in more but I can't think of anything else from off the top of my head. The infobox is misleading, and makes it out to be an animé exclusive occurence. The actual layout type of the info box is the one used for Pokémon that only existed in the animé. It mentions nothing at all about the games. I believe it should either be fixed to include the games' information as well, or that it should be split into multiple pages. Sorry about the rant. I'm quite biased that the games are better (because they were what S. Tajiri wanted and the animé was just some team's interpretation that provides false information to kids who don't know any better) and should have priority over the anime, however I know that every aspect of Pokémon deserves its share and that is why I think it would be better for the page to be split into "Red Gyarados (Animé)" and "Red Gyarados (Games)," as well as any other canons that it appeared in. =D - unsigned comment from Pikachu6780 (talk • contribs)

I don't think it's necessary to separate the page into different pages for your reasoning (though in the case of it being Silver's Gyarados and Lance's Gyarados, it would be nice as there are so many templates at the bottom of the page, making it confusing). The issue you're concerned over is something that is dealt with in the {{AnimePokémonInfobox}} template. The template talkpage of it had a user requesting that there should be multiple information listed in the template with regards to other canons (in this case, debut rounds in multiple media). In response to "it mentions nothing at all about the games", that statement is technically incorrect as the Ability is referenced based on the games, but I do see where you are coming from. ^ht14 22:21, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Image

An editor reverted, saying that it was for the anime not generations. However, the article discusses not only the anime version but also in the games. And as generations is the most recent, the generations image should be shown in the main. - unsigned comment from RubyLeafGreenCrystal (talk • contribs)

The article discusses all canons, but the anime is (for some reason) the canon most prominently mentioned, while Generations doesn't even have a section until way down almost at the end. If Generations were the main canon used on the page, we could use its image in the infobox, but as the article currently stands I think the main anime image is better. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:41, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Split between anime and games

Just like they did in the manga version of this Pokémon (I mean, now it’s like Silver's Gyarados). It is not prudent to create a page just for the anime?version. He had two episodes dedicated to capturing it, was used by Lance in Advance Generation and now we have confirmation that he will be in the new series. Can I make a page?--Hikaru Wazana 19:00, 27 January 2020 (GMT)

Rework infobox

I think the infobox needs to be reworked to either focus exclusively on the anime or the games. However, it would be ideal to have both. Is there a way to have two infoboxes on one page? ChasePikachu (talk) 20:26, 16 January 2022 (UTC)