Talk:Grookey (Pokémon)

Pokedex entry

Need to create a "Gen VIII" case in the Template:Dex/Gen and add "Sword" and "Shield" version cases to Template:Dex/Entry2. — Rmkane (talk) 18:20, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

That's clearly not a dex entry. That's just a description of the Pokémon. The descriptions are more suited for the biology section.--ForceFire 05:04, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

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Pokédex entries

Generation VIII Sword A mischievous Chimp Pokémon that is full of boundless curiosity. Shield

Confusing Wording

Saying that they were introduced in Gen VII may be confusing to some people. While technically correct, it makes it seem like they're Gen VII Pokémon when they're actually Gen VIII Pokémon. This should be changed to prevent confusion. — Arqade (talk) 00:16, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

It's also wrong.Kirsten Thomas (talk) 03:21, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Origin

I heavily doubt that this is based on a squirrel monkey, especially considering that it's a living species from Ecuador, far from the basis of the region. It's much more likely to be based on Mesopithecus, given their range matching the region's inspiration (Europe and namely the UK) and fitting the themes of grass type starters being extinct animals. Burgrr (talk) 02:12, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

May they have also been based on [1], given they're "the only free-living primates in Europe" after humans? Also, and apologies if a discussion about their name origin should belong in a separate topic thread, but I think it's worth mentioning that the "nori" of their Japanese name may also be a reference to "nori", a type of seaweed used to wrap sushi.--Garr9988 (talk) 02:28, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

If it weren't a starter, yeah, the Barbary Macaque would be the first thing for inspiration but I mainly bring up Mesopithecus since it fits the starter thematic guidelines. Grass type starters are always based on extinct animals. Burgrr (talk) 02:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Chespin and Rowlet aren't based on extinct animals at all, and Treecko, Turtwig, and Snivy don't appear to be based on extinct animals (although it's less certain). I think you're confusing "based on extinct animals" with "based on reptiles" (although even that failed when Chespin was introduced). Aielyn (talk) 05:51, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Chesnaught is a Glyptodon. Rowlet is a Stilt Owl (an extinct Hawaiian owl.) Treecko appears to be bosed on Dilophosaurs and Delcourt's giant gecko. Turtwig is a Galapagos tortoise (which has been thought to be extinct), or possibly a nodosaur and the World Tortoise, which is fictional. Snivy's entire line is based on the evolutionary ancestry of snakes, which can be seen in fossils (and the skeletons of some living snakes) where they are seen with vestigial legs and leg remnants. Meanwhile, Venusaur and Meganium are based on the synapsids that went on to become mammals (explaining the ears) and sauropods like the Brachiosaur, respectively. Therefore, Grookey is a Mesopithecus, given it's extinct nature and the fact that Mesopithecus's range included the UK. Burgrr (talk) 23:47, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Oof, so much nonsense. Firstly, not every pokémon from a region needs to be related to the region's real inspiration, specially starters: we have a Thai chicken in Hoenn; Chinese epic hero, World Turtle, and Napoleon in Sinnoh; Chinese boar and European snakes in Unova; a fucking ninja in Kalos; and a Siren in Alola. "If it weren't a starter"? The main dex pokémon can be even more unrelated sigh Rhinoceroses in Kanto? Native American birds in Johto? Hyenas in Hoenn? Hippopotamuses in Sinnoh? Sarcophagi in Unova? Pandas in Kalos? Koalas in Alola? Just to mention one major example in each region, cuz I could go for hours if I went nitpicking the exact origins.

Secondly, starter theories are often stretched and shouldn't be considered as absolute truth when looking for a pokémon's origin. If the fanbase needs to keep looking for obscure and unlikely animals/details just so they can shove their theories down other people's throat then it's a prolly bad theory. It's the same thing with the weapon theme for water starters and the fire zodiac theory; just don't, Game Freak isn't bound to fan speculation, so the research on the origins shouldn't be either. ExLight (talk) 02:35, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

And about @Garr9988's commentary. It really doesn't make sense for it to be nori. It seems more likely to be 森 mori if we're looking for a grass related term with similar sound. ExLight (talk) 02:56, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Name origin

Can its name also incorporate "grass" and "ook" (as in monkey's cry)? Kikugi (talk) 05:26, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Add "Grove" to name origin for the english name. Explains the Grass type.--ShallowShaddoll (talk) 02:17, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Agreed; based on Pokemon naming conventions to this point, "Grove Monkey" being the root for Grookey makes the most sense, as a "Grove" is a small wood or forested area.--QuietBrowser (talk) 20:02, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

"Ecuadorian squirrel monkey"

Hey... I think this attribution is a little too specific. All squirrel monkey species and subspecies are characterized by very discrete differences. In other words, Grookey looks as much like an Ecuadorian squirrel monkey as it does any squirrel monkey. I would suggest editing the origin to reflect that. It should read "Grookey may be based on a squirrel monkey". That's it. - Nintendo101 (talk) 21:56, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

I agree. It is way to specific. Anyone that isn't a primatologist or a monkey aficionado wouldn't be really able to tell the difference between the different squirrel monkeys species.

Trying to pinpoint a origin with absurd precision is a common problem through the Origin section and should be avoided unless it really nails down to a specific species/subspecies/breed, specially on recently revealed pokémon that we have pretty much no info other than the design. ExLight (talk) 02:39, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

It's questionable of if it's even a squirrel monkey, grass starters so far always end up with influence of an extinct species or evolutionary ancestor. Also i really don't think it looks about as much like a squirrel monkey as it any other cartoony monkey species. Noxlamenta (talk) 10:01, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

@Noxlamenta, the extinct species thing is just a glorified fan theory that has more evidence against it than in its favor. People often try to see patterns where there aren't any and will forcefully try to shove almost conspiracy-like arguments to appease themselves. Saying that it isn't a squirrel monkey just because it doesn't fit a fan theory that has little to no support only hurts attempts to find coherent origins for this and other pokémon.

You can clearly see characteristic details of squirrel monkeys on Grookey: it's orange extremities, it's ∞ shaped facial pattern, and it's distinct mouth.

However, the point of this discussion isn't questioning if it is a squirrel monkey, because that's pretty obvious for those who know the species. It's whether it should attempt to pinpoint an ultra specific species or if it should aim for something more general an umbrella term, or a genus.

ExLight (talk) 22:27, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

National Pokédex number

Because every new Pokémon for Sword & Shield will be numbered after Melmetal, that means that Grookey's NatDex number is #810.
TheICTLiker4 (talk) 17:38, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

We can’t guarantee that, unfortunately. While it’s unlikely, we could have another Victini situation on our hands to mess up the numbers, so we can’t presume until it’s 100% confirmed. GloverMist (talk) 17:42, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Category needs to be added to Trivia

Grookey shares its category with Chimchar. They are both known as the Chimp Pokemon. Kikugi (talk) 06:56, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Need experience group info!

Because all Starter Pokémon grow medium slowly, I think that Grookey, Scorbunny and Sobble should all be in the Medium Slow experience group as well. --TheICTLiker4 19:27, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

We don;t add anything until the games are released. They could change the experience rate of starters.--ForceFire 07:03, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

For what we know, they can even change the order in which starters are in the Pokédex, their gender ratio, or their non-Hidden Ability. Nothing is certain until the games come out, and because of this, we don't assume things based on past patterns. Kikugi (talk) 08:21, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

not completely true.

"It is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon" not completely true. starter evolutions were hinted in 3 interviews conducted in video form. Pikachu210 (talk) 21:32, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it'll have evolutions, but they haven't been revealed yet. The sentence will get changed one its (and the other startes) evolutions are revealed.--ForceFire 04:40, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Rillaboom's Biology Section - Please Add Info About Its Drumsticks

Could you please mention where Rillaboom keeps its drumsticks (on its page)? It appears that they are in the leaf-like fur near its hands (similar to how Delphox keeps its branch in the fur on its arm).

We know this Pokémon carries its drum on its back, but if we don't mention where it keeps its drumsticks, it would feel incomplete. Macpika (talk) 19:10, 10 May 2020 (UTC)