Talk:Aromatisse (Pokémon)

Possible Origin

Welp, now that editing is allowed again, I figured I may as well discuss about Aromatisse's origin. Anywho, considering its scent based abilities, as well as its hourglass "figure" and "scent line" ear extensions upon its head, it's quite apparent that Aromatisse was heavily based upon perfume bottles as well as perfumes themselves. Take this image of a fancy, vintage perfume bottle, for example, and you can see the similarities between its shape and Aromatisse's. Many fancy, vintage cologne and perfume bottles rely on this "hourglass" rounded shape, which is seen in Aromatisse. Their pre-evolution, Spritzee, also heavily resembles the "squeeze bulbs" of vintage perfume bottles as well, as most were round and decoratively fluff textured. Adding on to this, one could see their "beaks" as representations of where the perfume squirts out from.

Now then, aside from perfume, Aromatisse may, possibly, have nods to another beauty/makeup applicator, powder puffs. This can possibly be seen in its "puff" around its midsection, as well as Spritzee's and Aromatisse's general "fluffiness".

Now then, anyone have anything else to add on to this, or possibly any corrections or comments? - 050294 (talk) 00:24, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Finesse

Really? Is pronounication really a reason why part of Aromatisse's name couldn't be derived from finesse? If so, then the piece of text on Chesnaught's page claiming its name is possibly derived from knight needs to be removed, seeing as the last part of Chesnaught's name is clearly pronounced naught and not knight. --The Truth aka Relicant 07:09, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

It's not spelled or pronounced the same. I don't see how it is a probable origin. --SnorlaxMonster 07:14, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

And most importantly, its relation with the Pokémon. What does Finesse have to do with Aromatisse? Chesnaught at least looks like a knight (and the fighting type). --ForceFire 07:34, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

For the record, "finesse" was added because its German name is Parfinesse, and the German wiki thinks it's based on "finesse", making it plausible finesse is apart of the English version if it is indeed the correct origin for the German name (and simply uses the 'i' from aromatic and not the 'e' from finesse, so, yes they wouldn't be pronounced the same). Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 11:45, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Matisse

I think it's highly likely that Aromatisse's name is derived from "aroma" (obviously), and Matisse. Henri Matisse is the name of a famed French painter from the early 1900s, and is known for painting scenes of frivolity in bright, cheerful, emotional colours. His whole name, when pronounced as it is in french, does sound a lot like this Pokémon. I don't think this is too far fetched, considering Kalos is based of of France. What do you think? GymLeaderRebecca (talk) 13:42, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Matisse

Not sure if answering the topic above would count as necroposting.

It seems really far-fetched, sorry.

I can't really see why they would put a reference to a painter into a fairy can-can dancer bird.

The only other cases something similar happened were Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee, and Empoleon. But in those not only we see direct references to its origins (fighters and emperor penguins respectively), but we also see reference to these individuals in their Japanese names (well, the Hitmons' japanese names reference Japanese fighters, but it's understandable why they'd put more known people to the Occident when localizing them).

If Matisse were a Perfumer, an Aromachologist, or even an Apothecary I'd understand, but saying it is inspired by Matisse purely because Aromatisse comes from a region inspired in France and has vivid colors is really unconvincing.

ExLight (talk) 04:12, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I agree, I find it a little far-fetched for Aromatisse's name to be based on a French painter, solely because it's French based, is too much of a reach, and the name is just purely coincidence.

However, I found that the word "Pervertisse" exists, and is a little more fitting, (French word for "perversion"), as the act of showing off your legs was, at the time, considered to be scandalous, and it thematically fits Aromatisse as it is supposed to represent a can can dancer.

Also, since this is a discussion of Aromatisse's name, can we change the directory link to Lutine for the French name? There is a type of fairy called Lutin in French, more specifically, the female version is called "Lutine" which is what I'm assuming is more appropriate since Aromatisse is a feminine design with feminine origins, but the link ends up taking you to the disambiguation page, and not the actual fairy Lutin page itself.

I'd also like to suggest that "La Troupe de Mlle Églantine," more specifically, "Églantine" could be a possible name origin of 'Cocotine' since, the former is a famous French painting featuring cancan dancers.

--Pika Pika Pi~!! (talk) 11:56, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately "Pervertisse" isn't a good suggestion. You see, the -isse of that word is a characteristic of the verbal conjugation and isn't a distinct part of the word. This happens a lot in Latin Languages, and you'll be able to find that in many other verbs in French (pretty much all regular verbs from the -ir group will have a -isse variant, usually in the present subjunctive). That being said, "perversio" seems to be the French equivalent to the noun perversion; which unfortunately also doesn't fit as a possible origin for its name.

And I'm also against "La Troupe de Mlle Églantine" as possible name origin for Cocotine since it suggests the entire painting's name was used just to pluck out the last four letters of its name, which is pretty weak.

Thanks for your reply and I'm looking forwards further suggestions.

ExLight (talk) 21:59, 11 September 2019 (UTC)