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Ability

Pikachu's ability isn't unknown! Remember in the episode when Ash's Pikachu's static (um... not exactly paralyze) Roark's Rampardos! --Metagross72 05:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

...why are we even thinking about abilities in the anime? --((Marton imos)) 05:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree, I think Pokemon could potentially have both abilities available to their species or even none at all. It doesn't follow the games that closely, so there's no way we can confirm that that is the case. Gastlys mama 22:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Pikachu only has one ability. --Metagross72 02:44, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

In the anime. It can also Combine with Swellow to turn into a flying bird of electricity.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

I know this is a late reply but thought it should be stated. It is highly possible that Pikachu also has Volt Absorb or what ever its called. In the battle against Roxanne's Nosepass it absorbed the Zap Cannon and regained strength which in the anime is the same as health. I agree with those above stating that abilities are different in the anime world. After all things can be done differently in the anime then in the games.--Lycos Ex Mortis 16:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Counterparts

We could have a section for counterparts to Ash's Pikachu, for example, Sparky, Silver's Chikorita, Aoi's Shinx. I'm pretty sure there are more, and I think this might be worth including on this page. Just a thought! Gastlys mama 22:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, not in Pikachu's article. There are WAY too many in my opinion. That's basically almost every Pokémon that a trainer started w/ in the anime. Good thought, though. --Catu the Cat 21:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Not big things

Hi guys! I have 2 thigs to say! 1. I don't understand the last trivia fact about Pikachu being ash's only pokemon... etc, could somebody explain this to me? maybe it's a error and should be erased. 2. We all know that Ash's Pikachu has never been on its poke ball not even once, well only in that movie, but my point is that would Ash's still have that poke ball? You know, when he goes to a pokemon center we don't see that unique thunder poke ball of pikachu (because he is always outside of it), so I don't know, why carrying it around if he doesn't use it? if you think this last thing is stupid well then don't pay attention to it. =)YukitoOoO 18:29, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh man! i just finished checking the page and saw the that poke ball and there it says that ash carries it around all the time just like it had posted this haha mmm so nevermind!YukitoOoO 18:29, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't he look cute?

Um,excuse me,but her exact line was "You look so cute",in the english version. Is that line from another languages version? Lovely Rose 18:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• sigh* I know exactly what you mean, Rose. In my opinion, we shouldn't be caring anymore.

I'm afraid to say that this gender debate is just... pathetic. It's kind of sad the way this debate has gone on as long as this, as if its an important election. I really need an explanation as to why the large amount of male evidence isn't enough to confirm the gender of a CARTOON mouse. Why do we need someone to tell us? Aipom puts on a dress, and its a female. Pikachu puts on a kimono... OH NO! That doesn't mean its male! Pikachu puts on a maid outfit and looks embarrassed. NOPE! Not yet." Jeez.

The female evidence is absolutely terrible. Buneary not knowing Pikachu's gender? Pokémon can regonise the gender of other Pokémon, as can animals. For example, Pokémon know that they have to be with a mate of the opposite gender to breed, otherwise they will refuse. Therefore if Buneary is female and it wants to mate, then Pikachu being female would be disturbing. And the idea of Misty featuring Pikachu in dresses... it's a joke in Misty's girlish mind. Does this suddenly mean it's female? I bet even if we saw a female Pikachu in the anime with a heart-shaped tail, this website would still stubbornly say "Pikachu's from Kanto. Gender differences don't apply". And does Pikachu have to be a girl to rival with Bayleef? Is that a scientific fact? No.

I really, really wish they would just confirm the gender as male. Because it is. I know I shouldn't be posting about this because its considered an "offence" to vote, but it would be really good if a regular would just say "Ok, everyone. Ash's Pikachu is male. Thank you". Almost everyone else considers this. Yeah. User:Dusknoir477 11:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

>> I think Pikachu is female..But,anyway,can I delete that line from the article,it's incorrect,see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFZkdgsgzP8&feature=related. I tried deleting it before,but it looks like it's back up Lovely Rose 02:28, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I watched it, you're absolutely right, May doesn't refer to it as a male. But that doesn't mean it isn't... I don't think I'll ever be convinced that Pikachu is a girl, because I've always known it to be male. I'm sure lots of people considered that, and therefore, that's one of the big reasons why I think its male; because so many fans picked up vibes that it Pika was a boy, it must be so. Also, I've got lots of Pokémon books from my childhood; all of them say that Pikachu is a boy in them. One was a novel of the first film that I bought for my younger brother, which says this so explicitly its as if the book is trying to side with me. Creepy.

I still can't think of any good reason why it would be female. I can counter all of the female evidence on Pikachu's article.

1. Although its true that Pikachu is from Kanto where all Pikachu of both genders have "male" tails, now that gender differences have been introduced, we can forgot about that now. The world of Pokémon is always changing and contnuity is always corrupted, and regarding certain things like this is the only way to fix it. And no, its tail would not have changed into a heart if it was female. Jeez, if only gender differences were made ages ago, we wouldn't have this problem!

2. Misty picturing Pikachu in dresses. Well, firstly, Misty is a girl. Secondly, Misty likes Pikachu, and would want to picture Pikachu as a girl. Thirdly, Misty's visions were her point of view and not part of the continuity. Basically, almost nothing can be drawn from this evidence. In that Miltank episode, Pikachu felt uncomfortable dressed as a maid, so therefore, from Pikachu's point of view, it doesn't like dresses, meaning that it most likely isn't a girl.

3. Buneary not knowing Pikachu's gender is the dumbest piece of evidence that I have ever, ever heard. Come on, really. I would like to take a little moment to explain real game "love" physics. :P Say that there is a large group of male Mamoswine and a larg group of female Mamoswine in a blizzard. The members in both groups would like to start families with each other, but they can't because in each group, each member is the same gender. So they don't mate. Then, both groups see each other and form a larger group of both genders. Now, they can mate and can start breeding, because there are both males and females, meaning plenty of Swinub eggs will be laid.

So, one must come to the basic conclusion that, if a female Buneary is perfectly capable to fall and love and breed with a male Buneary in the games, but not with another female, then Dawn's Buneary successfully feeling obliged to mate with Pikachu means that Pikachu is the opposite gender of her: Male. Either that, or Buneary is male, which is definitely not true, as Buneary has worn dresses like a girl and even went into a girls fashion competition. Therefore, Buneary is female and Pikachu is male. It's obvious! Remember... The Pokémon series is based on the games! (although, then again, some things that happened in the anime aren't possible in the games, like the electric-harming-ground thing, but we are talking about common sense here; a female would tell the difference between a male and female).

4. Pikachu has gained quite a few rivals throughout the series, the most notable being Chikorita/Bayleef, who was confirmed to be female. I do not know why it would be considered female just because of this. Both genders can rival with one another. Whilst there is no evidence to say that I am wrong, there isn't evidence to say that I am right about this point, so this would be discarded in my book.

5. One that got deleted a while ago was the point that Pikachu showed interest in feminine items such as perfume. I can counter it. I think the reason why it was fascinated was because it was simply curious of the human world. Remember, Pikachu, before being captured by Prof Oak, was a wild animal. It would be fascinated by human things and would wander about eyeing the merchandise on sale, whether it was aimed at men or women. You know... it may look at a bottle of perfume, then look at a digital watch, then a necklace, then a chemisty set. This really doesn't explain anything about genders then, does it?

There you go. In my opinion, you can't very much counter the male evidence, especially ones like Pikachu being referred to as Ash's brother (a very good point).

I guess we'll just have to face the facts. Pikachu's gender will probably never be fully confirmed. Everyone's just too stubborn to do so. It's like in the Simpsons where Springfield's state won't be revealed. It's getting very, very late now, and as episodes go on, Pikachu remain a seemingly-genderless creature. But it isn't. It's male. - unsigned comment from Dusknoir477 (talk • contribs)

Just a friendly reminder of the giant red letters at the top of this page. Next person who posts about this gets a short block. --((Marton imos)) 21:50, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Should The . . .

. . . Gender Debate really be on this page? It just seems like a bunch of unencyclopedic speculation. シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 02:24, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Possibly incorrect information on Gender Debate?

I realize this is pretty trivial, but on the section of Pikachu's Gender Debate, one of pieces of information supporting Pikachu's gender being male states something around the lines of Pikachu from Kanto have not been shown to have indentations on their tails, but in Pikachu's Goodbye (EP039) multiple wild Pikachu that appear in that episode have indentations on their tails. So should I edited that piece of information to be correct, or is it too trivial to matter?- unsigned comment from Spoon-Fork (talk • contribs)

No they didn't--FF(edits•talk) 06:18, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Those dents were merley wounds from possibly being attacked by other Pokémon. Saying that they are gender differences is pure speculation. --ケンジのガール 06:25, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Umm, saying that they are wounds is also pure speculation, as well, so technically, you shouldn't even say that on here. Besides, are they actually wounds? I'm pretty sure wounds would not be on the exact same spot on all those Pikachu's tails. Weedle Mchairybug 12:51, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Guys, would you mind going and watching Showdown at Pewter City? Brock excplicitly calls him a he. MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2) 09:52, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Same with Snubbull Snobbery: Ash uses "him". - unsigned comment from 11rcombs (talk • contribs)

These gendered pronouns only occurred in the dub. It is the original Japanese version that is important. --SnorlaxMonster 07:55, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Double edge????

I think Pikachu can't do double edge. May i have some proofs please. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 15:39, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, there are points pointing both ways. Supporting the fact that Ash's Pikachu might know Double-Edge is because it can learn the move through TM10 in Generation I (and later through a move tutor in Generation III). Supporting the fact that it might not know Double-Edge is because it was the stadium announcer who mentioned it in Friend and Foe Alike, increasing the chance that it could have been a dub mistranslation where it was originally a different move in the Japanese version.

My 2¢: While it's possible that Pikachu using Double-Edge might have been a mistranslation, if it isn't a mistranslation, odds are it's not an error of any sort. The episode in question is a Generation I-era episode, and Pikachu most definitely had a legal avenue for learning Double-Edge in that generation. Conclusion: Could somebody double-check the Japanese version of the episode? --Shiningpikablu252 16:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Today i watched Friend and Foe Alike & it was true that pikachu used Double-Edge in this episode. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 15:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Male in Japan As Well!

Have any of you dared to watch Electric Soldier Porygon? (EP038) If so, then if you watched the one with subtitles on YouTube, you would have heard Nurse Joy call him a he. And that was in Japan! As for other countries, Pikachu is called a he in Showdown at Pewter City (EP005). I am changing it from Male (confirmed in dub only) to Male. MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2) 16:52, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Your operative word is "subtitles". Those subtitles are not official. Ergo, they cannot be used as evidence. Your edits concerning the matter will be undone.

In fact, the chances of us ever getting official subtitles for that episode vanished thanks to over 700 seizures. Even if the rest of the series were to get an uncut subtitled release one of these days, EP038 would not be included due to being locked down by the Japanese government. --Shiningpikablu252 17:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

That's not evidence at all, but I am almost certain Pikachu has been referred to as male in the Japanese version. I recall Meowth using the word "otoko" in reference to him in one of the Lt. Surge episodes, for example. I don't exactly watch the anime (hardly ever), so I can't really give any other example. Capsule Computer 06:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

On a different tangent:

[1] Since Piplup is confirmed male as of DP137, this either means Piplup goes both ways or we just confirmed Pikachu's gender. - Chosen of Mana- 03:23, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Belong?

Does the gender debate really belong on this article? It's mostly speculation based on stuff in the anime. I believe it should be on the forums or in a separate namespace. --Galladeon 23:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

It's about Ash's Pikachu and is a valid part of the fandom. No touchy.... except to make it better because its a serious piece of crap right now. — THE TROM — 00:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Fandom. Not encyclopedic knowledge. It seems like a topic for the forums, not a mainspace article. --Galladeon 00:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I deleted the hints and rewrote the paragraph. Are we happy now? — THE TROM — 00:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

You could put them on a forum discussing the topic. It's kinda annoying to come to this talk page and see fifty pages worth of debate over the topic when that kind of stuff belongs on the forum. - unsigned comment from Galladeon (talk • contribs)

I'm not putting them anywhere. If people want to discuss they can do it themselves. And of course, we all know that this kind of fancruft belongs in the forums. There's a big message at the top of the page essentially telling you to STFU. Now please, stop talking. — THE TROM — 00:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Now this is real proof...unlike how someone said that Pikachu was a girl because it liked the perfume. Don't girls put on perfume that the guys like?--^☆Tavisource 03:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Let me ask something real quick, and hopefully this'll help end the gender debate once and for all. (Either that, or make it worse...) According to Dawn's Buneary, that particular Buneary is confirmed female. By the game mechanics and what we've seen on the Anime, Pokémon don't have homosexual tendencies. Therefore, isn't Buneary's HUGE crush on Ash's Pikachu evidence enough that Pikachu is a male? Or is Buneary's gender not really confirmed? Gear-Richie 23:22, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

That's not new, it's been brought up hundreds of times before. At least you're trying to help though. The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 00:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Well then, for my personal enrichment, perhaps, what refutation was used to discard this line of reasoning? Gear-Richie 17:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

"However, Pikachu is the only Electric-type Pokémon owned by a main character which can evolve."

Is this even necessary. I understand that for a long time Pikachu has been the only electric type pokemon owned by a main character. Then pachirusu came and someone added this. What the heck!!! Is this just trying to make pikachu seem more unique. I honestly don't think this is necesarry trivia. -- Landfish⁷ 16:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, it is technically true, even though Pikachu's never going to. TTEchidna 18:34, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I know it's true and I know it's not going to evolve but I don't think it is necessary trivia. Sould we take it out? -- Landfish⁷ 21:42, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I have to agree with Landfish7. I was just reading the trivia and I came across it and it was like, "what the heck?".--^☆Tavisource 03:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

"By accident"?

Couldn't Pikachu have been born with volt tackle,but not know it,until it "learned" it in that episode? Lovely Rose 02:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

That's unlikely. Considering the way Aipom learned Double Hit. It was "improvised" where it's attack would look like it was split into two (like Double Team) and that turned out to be Double Hit. Pikachu's Quick attack + Electricty = Volt Tackle. It's most likey anime physics. -- Landfish⁷ 22:03, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Even more likely is the fact that anime=/=games. --エルレイド 22:55, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Pikachu's Past

• What was Pikachu's original life like before Oak's Lab in Pallet Town? --Kid Sonic 14:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

That might take a special in its own right to explore. --Shiningpikablu252 15:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, you want to know Pikachu's past? Pikachu was wild before professor oak caught it and brought it to his lab (Pokemon Yellow). This also explains why Pikachu had a poke ball in the first place. Has anybody watched Pikachu's Goodbye? That explains that the pikachu can live in trees, and if i remember correctly, pikachu found the tree that it used to live in in that episode. Pokemon26 18:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)Pokemon26 18:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Pikachu's Language

In DP134 while Ash, Brock and Konoha are searching for Dawn, Pikachu says, "PikaPika". Would this be considered PikachuLanguage for Dawn? Also Piplup (in Japanese) says, "Pochacha", which may be that Piplup's speech has some consistency as well.~Ποκεμανιακα0β 21:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

"PikaPika" is a standard in Pikachu's language. It uses it for a lot of things. --ケンジのガール 22:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

However... I believe I heard Pikachu give out a different name for Dawn in one of the most recent episode. It sounded much different from his normal speech. Ugh... I can't remember... It was like "Pikaka" or "Pikachu-ka" or something... Can someone who has DP143 and DP144 rewatch them? --ケンジのガール 23:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay, i will try to rewatch the episode. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 04:07, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

In DP134 it did sound like Pikachu said "Pikaka" for Dawn--Ashanddawn4evr 22:36, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Pikachu-Poké Ball!

I made a sprite for the pikachu Poké Ball. It is really rubbish, but I thought maybe we could use it instead of the normal Poké Ball, at least until someone uploads a better one. Here it is[[a:File:POKBAL~2.png|The PokéBall|right|thumb|2500px]] SpecialK Leiks Lucario and the Celebi Glitch 13:34, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Given that it only appeared once, so no.--ForceFire 13:36, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I think it shouldn't be used. He used regular Poké Balls after to recall it according the caption in the article. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 16:55, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

He also uses regular Poké Balls for his Tauros, and we still have a Safari Ball sprite on that page. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 17:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

True. In the case that this is used, we need a better sprite. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 17:33, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Ketchup?

I'm new so excuse me if I am wrong but shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere about his love of ketchup?Mudkipz Rule 19:19, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Pikachu loves ketchup. What you are looking for is in the article. Pokemon26 18:39, 19 July 2010

Phobia of being photographed.

It says in the episode Todd Snap appears that Pikachu is afraid of having its picture taken.Mudkipz Rule 21:42, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Pikachu batting Tsutarja in BW007

Just curious but is there a specific reason as to why this was deleted?? It is a confirmed event so I don't see a problem with putting it in there.RBK 20:54, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok seriously who keeps on deleting this come on its a confirmed event jeez I don't see what the big deal???RBK 02:09, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Adding it in other pages are important. But Pikachu is this focus. Not every minor details will be added to the Ash's Pikachu page. If not, there will be a whole list of wild Pokémon that Pikachu had battled with. --Ruixiang95 02:12, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok but this isn't just any wild pokemon because Ash might capture this Tsutarja. Thats why I put it on the page and thats why I think it belongs on the page.RBK 02:18, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Pikachu battling with Pidgeotto or Taillow? They are not added too. Just leave it for now, unless it's super-notable.--Ruixiang95 02:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

So why is mamepato battling it or mijumaru battling it noteworthy I put it on miju's page too. What's the difference??? And why does it bother anyone that what I don't understand.RBK 03:07, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Because they're new while Pikachu predates them by over 660 something episodes (and Mamepato REALLY needs more info) Ataro 03:12, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Although I have not much say in this, Pikachu had been with Ash for more than 4 series while Mamepato and Mijumaru are new Pokémon owned by Ash. However, I think that in future times, all those not important will be deleted; those notable will remain. --Ruixiang95 03:14, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Ya so for now why can't it be left if it can be deleted later then just leave it know as a reference so that when someone comes on to pikachu's page they can see that it will be doing something in this episode.RBK 03:26, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Should Ash's Pikachu know Leer?

• In his move list, it says that Pikachu knows Leer, even though it says in the episode it was used that it didn't actually know the move, and just made a funny face. Teddy6ursa 18:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Pichu

I think we should put pichu as Pkachu's pre-evolution in the info box. The reason for this being that Pichu is a guaranteed product of any Pikachu and Riachu breeding and that it is not like other baby Pokémon that need an item to be produced. This meens that every Pikachu including Ash's Pikachu was at one point a Pichu.--EpicShadow 21:29, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

The last time this was brought up: Actually, yes they all start out life as Pichu. It's only the Pokémon with pre-evolved forms GenIII and beyond that can be born not as there baby forms i.e. Marill. It doesn't really matter. Ash didn't have Pikachu when it was Pichu so therefore it can't be counted. ☆ケンジガール 23:25, 7 August 2008 (UTC). And I agree. —darklordtrom 21:32, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Redirect Request

Could someone please create a redirect for "Pikachu (anime)", seems odd that there isnt one already. XVuvuzela2010X 20:57, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Pikachu's Poké Ball

About Pikachu's Poké Ball. The Poké Ball with a lighting bolt mark from Professor Oak's Laboratory has never been owned by Ash (Gary's Blastoise is held in a regular Poké Ball and not in the Poké Ball labeled in Japanese from Professor Oak's Laboratory), as Ash, for exemple, uses a regular Poké Ball to try to recall Pikachu in the ep001 (Ash tries to get it in, but it hits the ball back every time), and when several Spearow came in front of Ash (Ash put a regular Poke Ball next to Pikachu), and also in the ep005 against Onix, Ash uses a regular Poké Ball to try to recall it. We can therefore affirm that Pikachu's Poké Ball is a regular Poke Ball, and in all these episodes when Ash try to recall it, the Pikachu's (regular) Poké Ball is the same. The red light ray coming out of a poke ball means that it possesses a pokemon, in this case "Pikachu" (like in the ep005 against Onix). Clark 14:44, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Also in one of the pokemon advanced episodes, ash leaves all his pokeballs under a tree, he had 4 pokemon with him and all 4 pokeballs were shown to be regular pokeballs.--^☆Tavisource 23:39, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I think we have better write the subject to "may", because it was not officially stated.

Who knows? The animators might have forgetten about it...? Ruixiang95 08:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm not agree about what you said, this is an evidence ! The animators are not stupid to forget about it in several episodes and in several scenes when Ash tries to recall pikachu into its Poke ball. Pikachu's current Poke Ball must be one of the six Poké Balls that Professor Oak gave to Ash in ep001 (Ash choosed one of the six Poké Balls to be Pikachu's Poké Ball). The same thing can be said about Gary's Blastoise. We follow the logic ! Clark 13:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Can you tell me which episode of advanced generation it is ? Scatland 19:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

In the manga, Ash's Pikachu is featured.

But is that it, is that all we really know about Ash's Pikachu in the Pokémon manga? I realise that this article has been featured before and was voted against being featured due to lack of information in the manga section. In my opinion the summaries used are very brief and just acknowledge that Pika has been featured in the manga, rather than give details on character development and such. For example, the anime section uses tons of specific information about Pikachu while the manga section has virtually no information about Pikachu. I guess to get to the point, is there a manga-savvy out there who could add more information to the "In the manga" section. I'd do it myself if I had any Pokémon manga but I don't so I decided to simply request help for this article. Also, maybe a template could be added to the section such as this. --Landfish7 00:27, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Thunder Wave

Doesn't Pikachu know Thunder Wave? Didn't it use it to attract the Magnemite in that episode "Get Along 'lil Pokémon" (or something like that title)--Darknesslover5000 07:52, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Improvised move - 10 Volts?

In BW017, Satoshi orders Pikachu to use Thunderbolt (10,000 Volts in Japan), but then amends it to 10 Volts. This appears as a tiny spark-like poke towards Zuruggu. Is this notable enough to be in the improvised moves section? --jda95 09:11, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't think weakened attacks count. --ケンジのガール 09:45, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Volt Tackle?

Y is there a † next to Vol Tackle? The Last four attacks it used were Iron Tail, Quick Attack, Thunderbolt, and Electro Ball.--^☆Tavisource 22:37, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Because the rule is "If it used the attack within the last 10 episodes, it is considered recent". --ジェダイの騎士デジタルテレビ 23:07, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Did Pikachu forget Volt Tackle (like in the games how a Pokemon can only know four moves and needs to drop one)?--Darknesslover5000 23:59, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

No evidence of it. Pokémon have been shown to use more than four moves in one episode. Games =/= Anime. They probably just want to pay attention to Electro Ball for a while. --ケンジのガール 00:03, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh, alright.--Darknesslover5000 00:04, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Kenji, they already stated that it's 4 moves back in the Sinnoh League when Infernape learned Flare Blitz. Ataro 00:38, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

This is what I am referring to. Has not always been like that. --ケンジのガール 00:54, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I thought the Infernape thing was a mistranslation or something? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 01:06, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Minor edit

A Japanese event distributed an in-game representation of Ash's Pikachu via Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection and at participating Japanese McDonald's locations which was held from July 15th through August 10, 2010. This Pikachu will be distributed at participating American Toys 'R' Us locations from January 30 to February 13, 2011, and Canadian Toys 'R' Us locations from February 9 to February 20, 2011.

Pikachu was one of Ash's three Pokémon in Pokémon Puzzle League. The Pikachu in the Super Smash Bros. series may be based on Ash's Pikachu.

Unlike Ash's Pikachu, this Pikachu does not reject the Thunderstone, and can be evolved at any time.'

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In the games section -- Last line should be tacked onto the first paragraph. I can't edit this page, but someone should fix this. Thanks. --Gymnotide 04:37, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Electro ball

Pikachu uses electro, wich it can't without a tm. So does this mean ash has a tm or something ~Bobo 13:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Pikachu can learn it by level up. :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 13:25, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Games are different than the anime, as simple as that. ♫♪エイディニズ♪♫ 13:26, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Very true. :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 13:34, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Swift-Quick Attack

This improvised move is the only one which hasn't got the title of the episode where it was (first) used. Could someone please add it, because I don't know what episode it is? --FinnishPokéFan92 11:44, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

New Combo

Can Pikachu using Thunder Bolt to power up Electro Ball be conciderd an improvised move or a combo??RBK 21:38, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't think so, maybe that whole "Power up" thing can be part of using Electro Ball. Give me a second, which episode did you saw that on? --SimonOrJ 23:22, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

They're referring to BW038. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 23:29, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Wait so is it??RBK 21:07, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

In rotation?

We know Ash will never take Pikachu out of his current team, so is In rotation correct? Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 16:42, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

There is always a possibility. Best Wishes is trying new things obviously. Ataro 16:48, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

And he has rotated Pikachu away during Silver Conference.--電禅Den Zen 16:57, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Pika-pi

Will someone please tell me who or why we deleted pika-pi from the Pikachu's vocabulary section?--Celibi25 15:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Paragraph taken from "Pikachu's language" section:

Some of Pikachu's speech is consistent enough that it seems that some phrases actually mean something. (In Stealing The Conversation, Team Rocket refers to this language as "PikaSpeak," however, this most likely isn't official.) For instance, Pikachu always uses "Pikapi" when referring to Ash (notice that it sounds somewhat similar to "Satoshi"). Other speech includes: --ケンジのガール 16:10, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh... Sorry to have bothered you then... I can't understand why I missed that though...--Celibi25 16:32, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

GIANT

Hey, I have a suggestion that might require some big editing. Most pages on anime Pokémon have a history section, then a personality section. A large amount of Pikachu's page is personality. Why don't we split it up like the other pages and give Pikachu a proper history section? :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 22:03, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

I think it's like Ash's page. It would be too large. Ataro 22:08, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I would like that to be the case for Pikachu as well. Nobody has gotten to it yet is all. It wouldn't be larger really. Just more organized. If someone wants to take a crack at separating everything accordingly, they are more than welcome to try. --ケンジのガール 22:16, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

In rotation?!

Pikachu can clearly not be in rotation as its always with ash? changing it back... Emeraldben 20:06, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I think it should stay. Who knows what Ash could do. Besides, we should be true with the template. :--SuperAipom7 (Wanna chat?) 20:10, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

• Yes but if it was in rotation then it would not be seen in an episode, Pikachu has appeared in every BW episode and it would be sent to juniper Emeraldben 20:13, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Tell that to Snivy, Oshawott, and Tepig. They haven't shown anything that suggests they would be rotated. Also, Pikachu was rotated in the Silver conference, so it's not like he can't be rotated. Ataro 20:16, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

• Yes but he was in the last hundrad of episodes and he is NOT in rotation now! Hes with Ash as seen in the most recent epiosde so his current location is WITH ASH, no?Emeraldben 20:19, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

"In rotation" solves the problem of having to edit the articles on Ash's current Unova pokémon in guessing who is in where; this does include Pikachu. If Pikachu, in the future, was temporarily rotated out one episode and wasn't recovered by the end of it, that saves us from having to edit his article for the next week (maybe two), because "In rotation" saves us trouble and having to bother with having the article edited. By your standard, we would /have/ to edit the article to show he's currently not in Ash's party, and men, isn't that a wasteful hassle to remember. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 20:52, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

It's also done that way because it's never clear who is rotated for several episodes, and so it is very difficult to tell whether other Pokémon on Ash's team are also always on his team. All we know is that he has a current roster of nine Pokémon, of which six are with him at any one time. It should be consistent in that regard - if we show Pikachu as always being with Ash, we should also show which other members of his roster are always with him, which is often impossible to determine. Werdnae (talk) 21:01, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

All I mean is that because Pikachu is always with Ash in the most recent Japanese episode's that he still has him that's all so he is 'with Ash'Emeraldben 22:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Blocked?

Why was this page blocked so only autoconfirmed users can edit it (not that it matters to me, since I'm already confirmed, just out of interest)? -- ☆YoshisWorld☆ 21:02, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Double post again...but still, why was this blocked? -- ☆YoshisWorld☆ 21:03, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Here's KG's block log summary:All you new users can blame Falk for this. Sorry. His talk page summarizes pretty well how he was causing problems.--電禅Den Zen 21:08, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Basically the user Falk kept adding things that shouldn't have been added to the Pikichu article and would not stop. He also made sock-puppet accounts to continue editing this page. So Kenji-Girl had to protect the page from Auto-Confirmed users so he could not edit anymore. --Pokemaster97 21:12, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Rocket Punch

Yeah, the rocket punch is actually based off of the great mazinger or something and when it uses it, it's hands fly toward the opponent and hits it. --K4kirin 05:49, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

"Ikue Ohtani stated..."

Trivia section :

Voice actress Ikue Ohtani stated prior to this episode that the writers had intended to keep Pikachu's gender ambiguous so the fanbase can connect with him more easily.

This seriously needs some reference or sourcing. --InvocK 21:47, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Tail Shock

Doesn't pikachu use Tail Shock in the Electric Shock Showdown? It's at the end of the battle with Raichu. Pikachu charged his tail up with electricity and slams Raichu with his electric tail. There's a GIF of it. - unsigned comment from Wartortle467 (talk • contribs)

Brainwash

MM... I wanna ask, if it's possible... How many times the Team Rocket brainwashed Temporarily Pikachu, because i remember two episodes of pokemon

In one episode Jessie take a strange mask and a staff using to brainwash pokemons and Pikachu

In another using a strange love pheromone potion Pikachu also join temporarily Jessie (a couple of seconds) (the episode was http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/EP170 A Better Pill to Swallow

so... ¿Any knows more episodes?

Setokayba (talk) 20:24, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

AG089. ☆GamerGeek☆ 18:39, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Weight loss?

Now, it's very obvious that Pikachu is much "slimmer" now compare to the Original series era. Is there any evidence and/or hints that Pikachu has been losing weight? Or is it just a simple sprite change? --IllaZilla (talk) 08:43, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

No. It's just a simple art change. Nothing more. Ataro (talk) 08:56, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Not to mention animation changes. --HoennMaster 23:34, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Level/Legend?

Shouldn't Ash's Pikachu be considered Legendary? Or at least, a 100 lvl pokemon? Ash has had Pikachu for over 13 years, I'm guessing? And if I remember, the episode in which Meloetta was captured (not with pokeball) by Giovani, Pikachu had used a giant electro-ball to first of all get rid of the Glass-Stone thingy Giovanni was spirited (Joined) with. (Episode 14 season 16 Unova's Survival Crisis). I admit the power he got was from Thundurus, but being able to control all that energy and releasing it in a direct shot and not missing, is incredible. I would say he's lvl 100? He's beaten so many pokemon, even higher level of him and with a disadvantage. "I have to admit, that Pikachu is something" was Jessie's line in the same episode (Episode 14 Season 16). Who doesn't admit that. Beating practically all types of pokemon, he's legendary. -Heroster991

Even though Ash's Pikachu is strong, Pikachu in general are not legendary, making Ash's Pikachu not legendary. And with level, Pikachu does not level up normally, every new region Ash goes to Pikachu seems to revert back to lv. 5 or he would be able to beat all Gym Leaders immediately. -EVsandIVsaurs 14:03, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Dare I bring up BW001, when Pikachu couldn't even beat a level 5 Snivy without electric attacks? Levels don't work the same way in the anime as they do in the games. I agree that Pikachu should be level 100, but Pikachu should have defeated that Snivy with one Quick Attack too.--Alex726_(TALK) 02:43, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Pikachu is definitely not a legendary Pokémon. As it has been shown many times before, Games =/= Anime, so there's no concrete way of assuming a level for Ash's Pikachu. --Pokemaster97 02:47, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I read one theory that stated it's because Pikachu always gets electric flu at the start of every area since Hoenn and it causes him to reset his strength (hence losing to a lvl 5 Snivy) and has to retrain to get his old strength back. I know it's only a fan theory but I think it is pretty cool. Nuckles123 (talk) 03:29, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Episode 782

In the pre-release pictures of Pokemon episode 782, it had a picture of Pikachu being coated in a blue light similar to the new evolution look. I was wondering will Pikachu actually evolve? Here is a picture Togekiss4ever (talk) 10:34, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

It's just a beam from Team Plasma's machine that lets them control Pikachu. --HoennMaster 17:57, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Pikachu controlled

So this was removed "Colress controlled Pikachu in BW112, although Pikachu was able to overload and destroy the device controlling him with his electricity" from the personality section with all the other times Pikachu was controlled because it was viewed as not notable. However, I feel it is because it relates with all the other times Pikachu was controlled against its will. Advice on what should be done please. Nuckles123 (talk) 01:36, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

I haven't seen the episode yet, but judging solely from what was added and where it was added, it sounded fitting, though the focus could've been more on it being controlled instead of how it escaped control. I don't know why it was removed instead of adjusted to flow with the paragraph better. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 03:04, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I talked to the person who removed my edit. She said it was because it was repetitive and not notable. I disagree but everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Nuckles123 (talk) 03:21, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

I tried rephrasing the paragraph to address those concerns. I think it's a shame to exclude the Colress bit since Episode N is such a big event in the anime's storyline — much bigger than some of the minor stuff that the Unova part of the History section goes into such excruciating unnecessary detail about. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:13, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Cool thanks. I hope some of the others are more open to this version. It certainly does flow better. Nuckles123 (talk) 05:52, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Hoenn section contains information about Unova

The Hoenn section (1.2 in the TOC) contains the following sentence: "Also in the same episode, Pikachu learned Electro Ball while battling a trio of annoying Ducklett." This references their adventures in Unova and should be either deleted or moved to the Unova section (the Unova section does an accurate job at detailing Pikachu's ability to use Electro Ball). Josephdean21 (talk) 16:35, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Pikachu's voice during attacks

I made an edit earlier in Pickahu's Language, saying this:

"Piii-kachuuu!" - when using Thundershock or Thunderbolt.

"Pikaaa-chuuu!" - when using Thunder.

I understand if it doesn't quite fit completely in the language section, but where could we put this?

Also:

"Pi. Pi. Pi. Pi. Pika!" - when using Quick Attack.

EvErLoyaLEagLE (talk) 05:44, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

It's not notable becuse it's not Pikachu exclusive. Bulbasaur said its name when it first used Solar Beam. Burgh Leavanny said its name when it used Hyper Beam. James's Weezing said its name when it used Smog.--ForceFire 05:51, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Pikachu's Imitations

I also noticed that a couple of Pikachu's imitation images keep switching, between imitating Ash, Bulbasaur, Turtwig, Mudkip, Wobbuffet, Azurill, Igglybuff, etc. If people here can't agree on which two to keep permanent in the main article, could we make a gallery of Pikachu's imitations and then link them in the article? EvErLoyaLEagLE (talk) 19:07, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

It's on a switch, which makes the images change from time to time. I actually don't know why it is like this, must be something that was done ages ago and no one had a problem with it. I'll speak with the other admins to see if changing it into a gallery would be a better alternative.--ForceFire 02:51, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Pikachu's Poké Ball

Should it be mentioned that Pikachu's Poké Ball is seen in XY020? It also seems it doesn't have the lightning bolt. Yamitora1 (talk) 19:30, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Pikach vs trip snivy evoultions

Can we say for trivia ash pikach battle trip snivy through servine and then serperior like saying he lost to the starter twice in battle and finally won by battling the fulling evolved form--Terryberry94 (talk) 03:34, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

This is very good for the trivia it took three times--Terryberry94 (talk) 03:34, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

No. Ataro (talk) 04:01, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Why ash pikachu battle trip snivy won battle-servine won battle-Serperior loss battle you know what they say third time is the charm--Terryberry94 (talk) 04:25, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

This is good for trivia for pikachu or give it to trip setperipr --Terryberry94 (talk) 15:55, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

These things aren't notable. I'll see if I can find an example of good trivia to show you. --リックEO (オープン for discussion) 18:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

New picture

There should be a replaced picture of Ash and Pikachu together in Kalos.--JasonL 02:31, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Pikachu's Leadership

I might have missed it as I'm new to Bulbapedia, but I didn't see anything anywhere about Pikachu being the kind of unofficial leader of the other Pokemon he's traveling with whenever they get separated from Ash and co, at least in the anime. I've recently re-watched the entire Indigo League & Orange Islands, and the first season of Black and White series (thank you UK Netflix) and noticed that Pikachu quite often (nearly always it seems to me) assumes the leadership of the Pokemon when they get separated, usually by Team Rocket. As I just watched the last episode of the first season of Black and White (Battle for the Underground), I'll just mention its specifics here. After TR gets Pikachu and the others (with Pikachu and Axew not in their pokeballs but in cages as usual) it's Pikachu who recognizes Snivy's pokeball and opens it with Electro Ball. He then tells Snivy to find Iris's Excadrill to break the cages, and proceeds to find Pansage, Dwebble, Tepig and Roggenrola (specifically choosing not to release Oshawott and Scraggy). I won't go through the whole final episode, so long story short he's the one who gives the others their orders, which is what really ends up saving them, as otherwise TR would have gotten them successfully, until Ash and co arrive. It seems like such an important part of the character that I would think it would be mentioned, at least in the "Personality and characteristics" section. He also helped raise and protect Togepi. Other than this sentence

"He acted as a guardian and big brother to Misty's Togepi, and has been seen mediating and even breaking up fights among other Pokémon, such as in Pikachu's Vacation."

I don't see anything about any of this part of his personality. It seems to me to be a notable thing to mention, but I figured I'd leave it up to those who had been around longer and know the anime and the rest better than I do. Vyselink (talk) 07:53, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Pikachu's Picture

I've been coming to this site for yrs now, but it's always semi-bugged me how Pikachu's picture never changed after the Sinnoh League was over and especially after the Unova League arc was over, as if it was kept their for favoritism as opposed gets the job done. That picture of Pikachu on Ash's page and it's own page is from the Sinnoh League. That happened 2 Leagues, Regions, and Generations ago. Pikachu should respectfully have it's more recent picture, which would be it's pose from Gen V/Best Wishes/Black & White. Specifically, that one from the Unova League would be great and fitting. Besides that, Unova Pikachu has plenty of other choices. I only bing this up because other pkmn get updated pics with their most recent appearances. -AuraGuardian- (talk) 08:10, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Tu chuchu hai kya ?--Viv (talk) 09:07, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, does it really matter? Unless his look has changed that drastically, it seems kind of irrelevant. Vyselink (talk) 06:17, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Was once a Pichu?

He knows Volt Tackle, which can only be an egg move and learned as a Pichu. And before you say "games =/= anime" in the Japanese version of AG150 Team Rocket mentions Volt Tackle being an egg move. Technickal (talk) 12:30, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

While true, it was never explicitly stated that it was once a Pichu, so therefore it shouldn't be mentioned on the page. --Pokemaster97 01:59, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

New Electro Ball picture

Could someone replaced Pikachu's Electro Ball? Nothing is wrong with this one. Pikachu used another different pose when using that move, but I couldn't find it. See if you have any luck.--JasonL 00:49, 25 March 2015 (UTC) JasonL (Talk)

Infobox should have artwork instead of screenshot

I believe policy says that if official artwork exists for a character, it is prioritized over screenshots. There's plenty of Ash's Pikachu artwork. Technickal (talk) 13:33, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I believe a screenshot is used for Pikachu and Meowth to keep it consistient with the rest of Ash and Team Rocket's Pokémon. - Chosen of Mana 14:23, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

But the rest of Ash's and Team Rocket's Pokémon don't have official solo artwork. Pikachu and Meowth do. Technickal (talk) 09:25, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Pikachu's nature

If the nature of a Pokémon in the anime is confirmed by an event Pokémon based off of it, then said nature goes in the infobox with one of these things -> {{tt|*|Confirmed in events only}} after it. There are plenty of things, like Abilities, gender, and natures, that are in Pokémon's infoboxes that were never confirmed in the anime but are still there because the event said so. The asterisk is there to explain where the information came from. AGGRON989 21:41, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Abilities and gender are there because they have been confirmed and mentioned to exist in the anime. The anime=/=games so natures do not need to be in the infobox.Rahl 19:34, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

There are many pages in which the respective Pokémon are considered such as Serena's Braixen, Nature is present. So I dont think it should be a bit much of an issue. --Pratik_12 _Talk 19:38, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Even though I reverted to the version of the page advocated by the majority, including two Junior Administrators, my opinion actually differs for the following reasons:

• Serena's Braixen doesn't list "Hardy" in the infobox.
• Not one of Ash's other Pokémon lists a Nature in the infobox.
• Consistency dictates it doesn't belong in the infobox.

I truthfully believe that the nature should not be in the infobox at all. However, I'll let the discussion come to the conclusion desired. CycloneGU (talk) 19:41, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

If I may put it in another perspective: the page called Ash's Pikachu covers all aspects of the Pokémon "Ash's Pikachu". Although the article is primarily about the anime version of him, any event Pokémon that is based off of Ash's Pikachu is still Ash's Pikachu and therefore any extra information, such as nature, goes in the infobox. Ash's Pikachu doesn't exist only in the anime. AGGRON989 19:46, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

If we put Nature in the infobox for Ash's Pikachu, we have to put it in for every Pokémon. I believe the number of "Unknown" entries dictates the policy that most pages do not have it at all. CycloneGU (talk) 19:50, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

We definitely should be consistent, but besides Pikachu, have any of Ash's Pokémon been given out as events? There haven't been a whole lot of anime-based event Pokémon as far as I know (but please do correct me if I'm mistaken about that). AGGRON989 19:56, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

...that's actually a good question. I will explore this and reset the indent with an answer. CycloneGU (talk) 19:57, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Ash's Unfezant and Scraggy, Cilan's Pansage, Iris's Axew and Serena's Braixen have all been distributed with predetermined Natures. glik^glak 20:02, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I myself just verified the event for Ash's Scraggy. Korea also got one. I know of the Braizen, and am aware that Pansage and Axew got them as well. I don't know about the Unfezant (EDIT: It was distributed as a baby Pidove in an Egg, that be why). CycloneGU (talk) 20:09, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

You definitely have a good point (as you noted above) that we need to be consistent. The main reason I think we should put all of the Natures in is that it just doesn't make sense to me to include event-exclusive Abilities/genders but not Natures. AGGRON989 20:15, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I feel like Aggron989 made a good point with this page being about every aspect of "Ash's Pikachu", despite it being primarily about the anime. Since we list event based abilities and genders, as well as the fact that there's a nature parameter listed in the template itself, leads me to believe that it would be acceptable to list those natures in the infobox. Consistency however is important, but I feel like if we list one of the three (gender, ability, nature) then all of the three should be listed, or not at all. --Pokemaster97 20:18, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I see what you are saying. However, I point out again how many "Unknown" entries there would be. We already have that in several for Ability where it's just not known (Ash's Krookodile and Ash's Palpitoad are two recent examples from Unova). The more Unknown entries we have right there at the article introduction, the more we look like we don't know what we're talking about, you know what I mean? Personally, I'd be in favour of removing all "Unknown" entries for abilities and leaving only those confirmed in there (gender is an exception, it should stay even if unknown). That might also give leeway for Nature to be added to just the few confirmed in the games; however, they might have just been added for the games, and are not necessarily what the Pokémon has. It would be best to use the game nature against the personality and characteristics section to see if it matches. Even then, I'd leave it there. CycloneGU (talk) 20:23, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I've observed in other infoboxes that there are some things left out entirely if unknown and some where the word "unknown" is actually entered into it. Personally, I think Nature should be the only one of the three that is left out entirely if it's not confirmed, because as was pointed out earlier, it's the only one of the three that hasn't been addressed in the anime. Since it is the anime infobox, maybe we could make that distinction by not putting "Unknown" on every Pokémon's page, but still putting it in if it exists? This is getting kind of complicated... I do see where you're coming from, though. I'm honestly not sure which method would follow Bulbapedia convention more closely. AGGRON989 20:39, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree that I'm also on the fence with this. However, my thought is that if the anime makes no mention of Nature, and they can't just give out a random Pokémon based on a Pokémon without assigning a Nature, that the games people and anime people worked together to decide what the closest representation is. It doesn't mean that Serena's Braixen has a Hardy nature, for instance, just that it's the best game representation that was available at the time they created the event. Heck, the nature could have been left random to make this easier. CycloneGU (talk) 20:43, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Cyclone It seems like I may be misunderstanding what you are saying. Is your concern that if we'd list confirmed natures, we'd have to make the parameter visible on all the articles, even the unconfirmed ones? I do think that it doesn't exactly look good if it looks like we're missing info (much of which will probably stay unknown forever). Is it your proposal that we remove the "Ability" row all together for the ones that are unconfirmed in either the anime or games? I mean I do feel like if the nature of a character's Pokémon was confirmed through another media, it should be pulled out from the main article somehow like other statistical information is. I'm just not sure of the most appropriate method of doing so. --Pokemaster97 20:46, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

My concern is more that we are obtaining Pokémon based on the anime Pokémon. In no way is it ever said (except perhaps blatantly, where "Ash's Scraggy" might be an example) that we are receiving the exact Pokémon from the anime, only one based off of it. As such, since the Pokémon in the anime themselves never have natures discussed other than the example of various professors talking about, in early episodes of each series, how Pokémon can have different natures (but never by naming actual natures anywhere), it seems silly for us to take a game representation that is based on a Pokémon from the anime and suddenly say "All right, Braixen is Hardy, that's that and that's final" when the anime never confirms that Serena's Braixen actually has a Hardy nature; again, the game gave out Pokémon based on, never said to be exact at all. CycloneGU (talk) 20:59, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

(resetting indent) I think that's why we have the asterisk after the nature. It explains that although it's an anime Pokémon, it has a Nature that was confirmed only in events. AGGRON989 21:02, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Pokémaster, I forgot to answer one part of your comment, sorry for that. Yes, I am noting that, since some Abilities will likely remain unknown forever (Palpitoad and Krookodile being examples), that they be removed from the template and only confirmed ones are shown. However, that might go against the consistency aspect as well. CycloneGU (talk) 21:04, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't have much of opinion here if the natures are listed or not, but I thought I would help out with some event information since it is where my experience is. Even though people have mentioned some events that are based on Pokémon in the anime, many weren't noted in this conversation. In addition to the ones previously mentioned Professor Oak's Rotom, Goone's Scizor, Team Rocket Meowth, and Jessie's Wobbuffet were also distributed, along with many Pokémon that were in the anime but not owned by anyone. These include the Milos Island Tornadus and Thunderus, Declora Jirachi, and all the movie events (from Generation IV on). Also it should be noted that Ash's Pikachu, Cilan's Pansage, and Iris's Axew were distributed multiple times (all three were distributed for the Pokémon Center Best Wishes Pokémon and previously as a Wi-Fi events in Japan - not conting distributions outside of Japan for these as they are identical except for OT and ID number). And of those only Iris's Axew had the same nature both times, which is most likely a coincidence. Lady Ariel 21:34, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

(resetting indent) (indent reset for demonstration example)

I'll clarify my stance on using abilities and such from game counterparts. Here's an example from our very own event pages:

"This Scraggy is based on Ash's Scraggy and was distributed over Wi-Fi from January 28 to February 10, 2011.

The wording is key here. "This Scraggy is based on" means this is flat-out a different Scraggy from the one that is about to be named. Therefore, "This Scraggy is based on Ash's Scraggy" directly says that we are not receiving Ash's Scraggy, but rather a Scraggy based on Ash's Scraggy. Another thing that makes this an interesting example comes from Ash's Scraggy directly:

"It has Moxie as its Ability and knows Low Kick in addition to Leer, Headbutt and Hi Jump Kick; its anime counterpart only knew the latter three moves at the time of distribution."

Ash's Scraggy did not know Low Kick at the time of the event. In fact, it never learned Low Kick (it learned Focus Blast instead).

Therefore, we should never use a game counterpart of an anime Pokémon as a basis for information for the anime articles. This very example proves that they are still different. I even suggest to remove any abilities picked up from these events. CycloneGU (talk) 00:03, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Excellent points all, but still I feel like information that is addressed in a source such as event Pokémon but not in the anime is all right to add, simply because it is extra info that has been confirmed by something. That's the whole reason behind the tt in the infobox. You are definitely correct in that the event, the Pokémon, for example, Ash's Pikachu, can't be the exact same Pokémon that is in the anime, but to all intents and purposes, it's still Ash's Pikachu, which is why it's on this page. They can't replicate the Pokémon perfectly. At any rate, I really do understand the reasoning behind your points and I agree with some of them - I just don't think the event-confirmed stuff should be ignored entirely. AGGRON989 01:57, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

The "tt" in the infobox is useless to mobile users. Putting the info in the userbox basically tells mobile users that this is undisputed fact. Some might not notice or care about the apostrophe. I say keep game information separate from anime; that's why you see, for instance at Tierno, a separate section for his anime appearances. We must do the same with Pokémon in the games and the anime IMO. CycloneGU (talk) 02:14, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

"Serena's Braixen doesn't list "Hardy" in the infobox.

Not one of Ash's other Pokémon lists a Nature in the infobox."

Actually added that, but someone reverted it. People are thinking about phasing out the tt template due to the mobile user issue. I think maybe we should use parentheses instead. How about we use "Unknown (confirmed Brave in second Nintendo event only; Naughty in first event)" instead of what we have now? But I guess that's a mouthful and why we use tt instead of parentheses.

Technickal (talk) 11:28, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

^^^^ Actually this is more appropriate, instead of talking either of just games or anime, it will confirm for both --Pratik_12 _Talk 11:39, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Maybe our policy should be if the gender/nature/ability isn't known in the primary form of media this Pokémon exists in, we should use Unknown and use parentheses or a tooltip. If it's the primary form, then the confirmed gender/nature/ability in that primary form and parentheses or a tooltip saying what media it's confirmed in. This will be hard for Gym Leaders' Pokémon like Lt. Surge's Raichu, though, since you could argue either the games or the anime is the primary form. Technickal (talk) 11:42, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

We're not phasing out tooltips. There's no alternative for a large portion of its uses. And claiming touchscreen users might not notice or ignore the asterisk isn't a valid reason for not putting information on a page. While it would be nice to have the infobox separate different canon informations, there are other high-use templates that are higher priorities. glik^glak 12:07, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I never said don't put information on the page. The question is where to put it.

Using this page as the example, there are two Ash's Pikachu events. Once again, the events are based on Ash's Pikachu, they are not, in fact, Ash's Pikachu. I really think splitting the game one to be the later discussion - just like discussing the anime Tierno later in his article - is best; the anime Tierno and the game Tierno are treated as unique individuals, and the anime Pikachu and game reincarnations are as well. Therefore, since the game Pikachu is treated as a separate entity, the information for the game representations does not belong in the infobox at all. I think that's simple enough, and should apply to other pages.

We might have to ask Kenji-Girl's opinion on this if we just can't agree, though. CycloneGU (talk) 14:33, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

(resetting indent) The thing is, the infobox serves as an intro for the article, and so it should contain information on all things that apply to Ash's Pikachu, be it from the anime or the games. It works like this in each and every infobox. We have several articles of game characters that don't have an official artwork and we use a scan from a manga the character has appeared in instead of a generic game sprite. Nowhere it is said that an infobox should only have information from "the primary form of media". Now correct me if I'm wrong, but templates need to be approved by the Editorial Board before being mainspaced, right? If that's the case, it means Kenji-girl has seen this before and she's fine with it. While I can't speak for her, I think we shouldn't be discussing this, really. The Nature parameter wasn't added to the template to be left unused after all. If it's there, then it should be used. It's that simple. And now we're not only discussing a thing as simple as that, but we're bringing other topics into the table, such as the usefulness of the tool tip template, to drag this on forever. We're certainly not doing an infobox for each section, the one at the top of the page should cover all aspects. --Mikuri 15:49, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

An infobox isn't meant to show every aspect of every occurrence of a Pokémon IMO. I mean, there are two Ash's Pikachu in the games; it's silly to say "It's this, but then it changes to this". The point is more that Ash's Pikachu from the anime is the primary reason people go to that page, and that's what the infobox is about; if we are saying that it has a Brave nature, for instance, then we are interpolating and guessing based on what is presented in the games; once again, games does not equal anime, as has been stated numerous times. I go again to an example I keep bringing up with Brendan; I stated in the past it should be under just that Wikilink, but it automatically redirects to Brendan (game) even though there is not a single Brendan in the anime. The reason is for "consistency". Maybe there's a template reason (like with moves and such), but if we're going to say that Brendan from the game is different than any Brendan that might possibly ever show up in the future in the anime (and he likely will not barring a surprise), then we can't just lump everything to do with every different instance of Ash's Pikachu in there. The anime one is the primary search term. Leave the infobox about it exclusively. Are other infoboxes needed? Ash's Pikachu can be a rare case where they might serve useful since it has other implementations, but I think keeping game info separate is a good place to start. Otherwise, we are literally guessing based on what another department puts out that has no connection to the anime. CycloneGU (talk) 16:39, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to clarify the above with a more coherent and direct reply.

Sticking with this page an an example, let's cover everything on the page:

• Ash's Pikachu (anime) - Definitely Ash's Pikachu and a protagonist (antagonist?) in everything anime just like Ash.
• Ash's Pikachu (manga) - Definitely Ash's Pikachu, a different Pikachu than the anime one since anime != manga != games, but still definitely Ash's Pikachu. The complication is that it keeps getting reinvented in every manga and seems to be a new character every time from what I'm reading (separate movelists, etc.; if they are the same they should be combined, but otherwise that's fine). I don't read the manga, so I couldn't pick that apart myself.
• Ash's Pikachu from Diamond and Pearl (2011): "A Japanese event distributed an in-game representation of Ash's Pikachu"; "It is based on Ash's Pikachu". Therefore, it is not Ash's Pikachu, only based on it, and should not be in the infobox.
• Ash's Pikachu from Best Wishes (2013): "Japanese Pokémon Centers distributed an in-game representation of Ash's Pikachu with its moveset based on the one known by Pikachu during the Best Wishes series"; "which are based on Pokémon featured in the Best Wishes series". Same point as above. It's based on the Pikachu, it is not that Pikachu itself.

If we are going to include in-game representations of the anime and manga Pokémon in the infoboxes even though they are clearly not the same and are merely creations by the games department (who watch the anime just like us), then we need to stop saying that game and anime are different things and merge everything together everywhere. That's how I feel about it. Keep game separate from anime.

Also: "The Nature parameter wasn't added to the template to be left unused after all. If it's there, then it should be used. It's that simple." The Nature parameter isn't there for us to put information about a specific instance of something that may not necessarily be true. Ash's Pikachu's actual nature is unknown, and I think it's safe to say that the anime doesn't use stock setups like the game does, so it's useless to even discuss what his nature truly is. CycloneGU (talk) 17:12, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

My sincere apologies for dragging this on, but I am legitimately confused by your recent arguments, because I feel as though you are contradicting yourself in several places:

1) Tierno's page has Santalune City listed as his hometown, although it was confirmed in the anime, which, by your logic, shouldn't be there, so I'm a bit puzzled as to your using it as an example.

2) Because of this, if Ash's Pikachu's nature can't go in the infobox because the event Pikachu wasn't really Ash's Pikachu, then you're basically saying that the anime version of Tierno isn't really Tierno, just some character based on Tierno, which doesn't make very much sense to me.

3) Ash's Pikachu does not exist solely in the anime. Ash's Pikachu has been a character in the manga, has been the player's starter Pokémon in Yellow, and yes, has been an event Pokémon. It's impossible to completely replicate anime Pokémon in the games, but the event Pokémon is still Ash's Pikachu, even if it's not the anime version. As Mikuri said, the infobox comes from the entire article. If the infobox can't include information from the games or manga, then we might as well make pages called "Ash's Pikachu (games)" or "Ash's Pikachu (manga)". Going back to your Tierno example, the anime version of him is based on his in-game version, but it's still Tierno. AGGRON989 18:46, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

1) Maybe Tierno was a bad example because I'm not that familiar with the article, I was just there recently on something else. However, given that May (anime) and May (game) are separate articles, it does also surprise me that consistency is not being applied now in cases like Tierno and is the reason for cases like Brendan even though there is only one existing instance of him. There is no consistency here anywhere and we either need to evolve to the "each case is different" philosophy or put the consistency in. (BTW. Serena (anime) and Serena (game) are unique entities. Maybe that's what we should do with Ash's Pikachu?)

2) I have been considering that a new infobox separating anime, manga, and games might solve this problem. It's better than merging a line saying, for instance, that Serena's Braixen is Hardy in with everything else. Some don't know how to bring up the tooltips and will assume that Serena's Braixen has a Hardy nature in the anime, which is misinformation.

3) Touche on Yellow, I did not consider that. However, I do not believe it has a fixed nature there either, correct? It doesn't contribute to the infobox in any way. But the split infobox idea might allow for all aspects to be covered; mixed together, it's a convoluted mess. CycloneGU (talk) 18:55, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Quite honestly, I think we should agree to disagree and move on. I know we both have counterarguments to the other person's point of view, but that will be true no matter how many different points we bring up. We could keep discussing this for a week and it still won't be resolved. I'm not trying to insult you or get the last word or anything at all like that, but I think Mikuri's right that this conversation has gone on too long. AGGRON989 20:15, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

It's only been a day, so if "too long" is a measure of length, then yes; otherwise, no. I still say there is a way to incorporate it in the infobox; just with the current implementation, it's not feasible and shouldn't be there. CycloneGU (talk) 20:19, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I should have been more clear. Sorry about that. I just meant that this conversation has gotten really complicated and has had a LOT of comments in it and I feel like we're going in circles by this point. AGGRON989 20:27, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I asked an EB member for a feel of what the verdict will be on this. Obviously, if the staff thinks the nature should go there, I have to respect that, but I still disagree with it because the game and the anime ARE different. I still think this article could be split, as well, since the History section alone is longer than most other anime pages (it's longer than May's and Iris', I'm sure). CycloneGU (talk) 20:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Okay, so the general consensus of the staff as of now is to remove all event exclusive related content from the main anime Pokémon infobox. Since we already have an event table on the page, the event exclusive information can be reserved for that space only. They way we view it is that the anime Pokémon and it's event counterpart is not intended to be one and the same. Plus, the games have to have natures & abilities. They're mandatory for the Pokemon to work properly. So, there's no guarantee that the abilities or natures used on an event are actually correct per the anime, unless the anime confirms it itself. This state of thought fits in with Bulbapedia's general games=/=anime stance. --Pokemaster97 04:08, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

That's kinda what I thought. I am glad we have a consensus on it regardless so that we can apply it throughout the articles. I'll keep an eye out for things listed as confirmed by game events in the anime articles. CycloneGU (talk) 04:12, 23 May 2015 (UTC)