Talk:Burmy (Pokémon)

No Form Burmy

Can someone upload a screen cap from Two Degrees of Separation! of the Burmy that Dawn tried to capture after all of it's leaves had fallen off from Piplup's Bubblebeam? I think it'd be a good addition to the article.

Evolution?

I couldn't find anything about when it evolves on here, or on Wormadam's page. Does it evolve at a certain level, or what? Would appreciate it if someone cleared it up, and posted it on.

You didn't look very hard...level 20.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 03:41, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Where it changes...

Okay, something weird here. I was battling with my Burmy on Route 222. It was in its Plant Cloak beforehand. Then I get out of battle and it's in its Sandy Cloak, as if I battled in a cave. Did they program it wrong, or are there other areas like this? TTEchidna 08:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Eh? Didn't see any caves there so that rules out my theory. However, it could be where you were training. Were you trianing it at the beach? I noticed that the Sandy Cloak is covered in rocks, like the sand. It's the Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links08:39 4 Jul 2008

Battling against the sailor guys up on the rocky area by the Sunyshore entrance. Once I went into the grass nearer the beach it became Plant Cloak. TTEchidna 09:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

If Burmy battles in Grass it changes to Grass Cloack, Any rocky surface, be it in a mountainous area like the cliff between Floroma and Veilstone or the inside of a cave, and beaches changes it to Sand Cloak. Inside a building or in a city changes it to Trash. (Latter has yet to be proven as I can't remember any outdoor city battles other than rival ones ^-^;;) Also if you use it on Water it changes back to the default look (grass Cloak) Hope that helps.Xanhawk 22:08 Dec. 21 2008

Hidden Power and Protect

Burmy learns Hidden Power and Protect by leveling up, so it can also learn them by TM. If you want proof, I can get it. Baby G 01:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

No, just because a Pokémon can learn a move by level doesn't automatically guarantee compatability with its TM. In the case of Burmy, it's fully unable to learn any moves through TM. The fact that it gets Protect and Hidden Power by level does not change that. Burmy is one of a small group of Pokémon that can't learn moves through TM.

By your reasoning, Wynaut and Wobbuffet can learn Safeguard through TM20 in both Generation III and Generation IV, yet neither of them are compatible with that TM. Additionally, by your reasoning, Dratini and Dragonair can learn Hyper Beam through TM15 in all generations when those two weren't compatible with the TM until Generation III. It's the same with Burmy and Protect/Hidden Power.

And I could go on forever. Level-up compatability and TM compatability are two totally separate things. Knowing a move by level does NOT gurantee learning it through TM. --Shiningpikablu252 14:39, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll make a video showing myself teaching Hidden Power to my newly-hatched Burmy. Then, I'll erase Protect from its moveset, and make a video showing me teaching it Protect by TM as well. Baby G 18:47, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

And what cheat device do you plan to use? You must plan on using one (either that, your game's fake, or you're flat-out lying), since there's no way a TM would work in a normal, genuine game. It would have to be compatible with all other universal TMs such as TM32 (Double Team) if Burmy were to be compatible with the TMs for Protect and Hidden Power or if Wobbuffet were to be compatible with the TM for Safeguard. --Shiningpikablu252 18:53, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I only have one cheating device, which is Action Replay. Action Replay goes in the back of your DS. When the video starts recording, I'll show the back of my DS so everyone can see that there's no Action Replay in there. Baby G 18:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Games may have unexplained glitches that occur simply by having used a cheat device with them, and persist even if the cheat device isn't being used. Anyone who's heard of a bug involving the Summoner class in Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones will know what I mean; the bug, commonly known as the "Knoll bug", flares up upon usage of a cheat device and does not flare down upon stopping the cheat device usage. While there are reports of that bug having flared up without a cheat device, those are very rare and are not easy to replicate.

Trust me, if Burmy WERE to have been compatible with those two TMs, we would have known it around from the point when the games were first released in Japan, similar to how we would have known if Mew was compatible with Draco Meteor's tutor were it to have been compatible. While some information does indeed slip through the cracks, movelist compatability is not the kind of information that has the tendency to do that. --Shiningpikablu252 19:04, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Shin is right. Burmy cannot learn any TMs. I train three every game I start and they have never been able to learn Hidden Power other than leveling. I wish they could but they can't. Xanhawk 22:08 Dec. 21 2008

The hatch Burmy

When I put my Mothim and Wormadam(Trash Cloak) into the Day care and I get three Burmy's eggs. Interesting is all the hatched out Burmy are in is Trash cloak.Should this be mentioned? Trash cloak 09:07, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... I'd say we should do more experimenting to make sure, or have someone hack the game code and tell us. --((Marton imos)) 09:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

My Wormadam Sand and Ditto came out as a Burmy Sand.Nintendofan146B 01:59, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Burmy that hatched from a Wormadam will always mimic the cloak of the mother. I bred plenty of them to know this. Mothim Breeding I think yelds Grass Cloak as that is the Default Cloak. Xanhawk 22:08 Dec. 21 2008

Burmy Oddities

While I was doing some research, I found that if a Burmy battles on a beach, it becomes a Sand Cloak Burmy, which I posted on the article page soon after. I also found that if you battle with Burmy out on water (while Surfing), it becomes a Grass Cloak Burmy (I found this even after you change forms--If Burmy is already in its Grass Cloak, it remains the same; if it is in the Sandy or Trash Cloak, it will become a Grass Cloak) this is very confusing (they should make some water forme to address this abnormality...), anyway, just reporting this through my research (though this is old information I learned quite some time ago). Incidentally, does anybody know what happens if you battle with Burmy at Spear Pillar? Rpp 23:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I answered this already. I honestly have no idea how Burmy finds the leaves in the ocean, but over water Burmy takes its Default Form (grass Cloak) It will change anywhere else, but Water always changes to Grass Claok. Xanhawk 22:08 Dec. 21 2008

Seaweed? Besides, a water-cloak wouldn't make any sense, how would they keep it suspended?--MisterE13 04:10, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

It should make a sea shell cloak! Taromon777 18:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Trash difficulties?

It says that people had trouble getting Tash cloak Burmy and that it was fixed in Platinum. Hello, can anyone say Jubilife TV Station and Seven Stars restaurant?--MisterE13 15:42, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

The Seven Stars Restaurant, for whatever reason, does not change Burmy's cloak, at least in D/P. (Don't know for Platinum.) The Jubilife TV station does work, though. Capsule Computer 22:07, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

What about those trainers you battle inside Pokémon Centres in Platinum? Do those change the cloak? Zesty Cactus 22:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, it did when I tried! Than goodness too, otherwise it can get very difficult, Though there are still ways. Samjohn95 21:00, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Gyms also gount as inside.--Mtn otter We are the Void 00:36, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

evobox

wouldnt a changeing evobox be better than 3 boxes? --Hanmac

Trivia Submission?

It could be noted that, if cloaks count as forms, then Burmy is the only Pokémon with alternate (non-gender) forms that can evolve. Correct me if I'm wrong. --Manaphreak 20:50, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Cloak Affecting Gameplay

At the beginning of the article, the following is stated: "Its cloak only affects what its second type will be if it evolves into Wormadam; it otherwise does not affect gameplay." However, this isn't true, as Wormadam's moveset is different depending on its form. That definitely affects gameplay. Should this be modified, or is there a reason for it being this way?Naokohiro 15:34, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

That's an effect on Wormadam, not on Burmy. —darklordtrom 00:04, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, it states that it affects Wormadam's second type, which mentions Wormadam. I think it should be more specific and say that it affects Wormadam's form; not just its type. Is there anything against that? —Naokohiro 22:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

What do you think of the current wording? —darklordtrom 23:03, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I suppose that will do. —Naokohiro 23:27, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon Mystery Dungeon

What about these games?Does evolution is similiar to main series games, or different? Marked +-+-+ 18:12, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Trivia

The trivia mentions something about "sonw-cloak" and "water-cloak", however, I think that this information is rather some kind of speculation. Shouldn't it be removed? Teddi'Ampha 14:14, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

It's not speculating. It's just saying they don't exist, despite there being snowy and watery terrain. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 14:41, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Brr, Bur and Burr

When you are cold, you might shiver and say "brr" then cover yourself up, just like Burmy covers itself. Besides, many Pokémon names consist of corruptions of words, so "brr" could still fit.

Even if its not that kind of "brr," than "bur" and "burr" should still be mentioned based on the definitions for the words bur and burr. Bur is a variant of burr, which both have a number of meanings, some of which could easily befit the concept of Burmy.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bur http://www.thefreedictionary.com/burr

Its agreed that Wormadam is a mixture of worm and "Madam" a term used for addressing a woman, especially one of refinement (when not referring to a Madam that runs a brothel). What is the opposite of this? a peasant, someone who isn't refined and wears clothing of poor material. Also to speak with a burr is to speak roughly, indistinctly, or inarticulately. This would obviously not be the manner in which a more refined person of social status would speak. I guess the best way to look at this would be to imagine how the Queen of England speaks, and then imagine how someone with a cockney accent speaks. Burr is also a buzzing or whirling sound that, since Burmy is a bug-type and bugs can make buzzing or whirling sounds, this also fits.

Wormadam is like a member of high social standing. Burmy is not yet refined enough to be a madam, it is still just a rough around the edges Pokémon. Burmy is only a commoner that uses a cloak to try and look the part, but its cloak consists of a patch work of whatever materials it has lying about. Yamitora1 (talk) 23:52, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm not too convinced by any of these suggestions, but for the record, in case it affects anyone else's judgment of the matter, none of these are in any way corroborated by the Pokédex except the "brr" to cover from the cold (Diamond and X entry: To shelter itself from cold, wintry winds, it covers itself with a cloak made of twigs and leaves). Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 00:29, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Well like I said, most of the names are mix-match corruptions or words. You mix brr with worm you get burm. Yamitora1 (talk) 01:11, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Cloak after rare candy

If a female burmy evolves from leveling it up to level 20 via rare candy , would it evolve into a wormadam with the cloak matching the area you used the rare candy on it, the cloak it was in prior to using rare candies on it , or something else? Boorider7 (talk) 16:26, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Rare Candy doesn't change Burmy's form; only battling does. It will maintain the same form that it had prior to using Rare Candy. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:34, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Ultra Space cloak

If you use Pokémon bank to transfer a burmy to sun and moon , and you use burmy in Ultra Space , what cloak will it change to? Boorider7 (talk) 18:04, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

That's a good question, but as it's not a native Pokemon (only accessible through the Pokemon bank) I imagine nothing special happens. It either stays in the cloak it previously was in, or I imagine it will go back to it's default state (Plant), just like it does after fighting in water. Would love to see it tested though. -Uncleben85 (talk) 07:18, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

"Wormy" Burmy

With Burmy's name origin being a little muddled ("brr" and "burr" being a little questionable), might there be some legitimacy to the word "wormy"? I know we already have "worm" there, but I don't mean "wormy" as in "worm-like", but instead either as in "infested with/home of a worm", since Burmy burrows into nearby materials and takes over to create a cloak, or as in "weak", since Burmy is the first in the evolution line and a weak Pokemon. Burmy also sounds a lot like "wormy". -Uncleben85 (talk) 07:24, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

No Cloak

Should we really have No Cloak Burmy in the infobox? It's not really a real form, just like how Pokedex Rotom isn't a true Rotom form. I believe one of the mods on the bulbapedia discord said something along the lines of "forms that aren't mechanically significant don't go in the infobox". --Celadonkey 16:23, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I added the official artwork of Burmy without a cloak to the biology section of Burmy, similar to Marshadow with its fighting spirit burning, but it was undone. Am I missing something and the official artwork is indeed already on the page? --Celadonkey 23:26, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

There's already an image in that section. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:29, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes, the anime picture, but I don't think it would hurt to add the artwork of Burmy without a cloak as well, especially since it's official Sugimori (style) artwork. --Celadonkey 23:32, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

We don't need two images for the same thing. One's fine. (If you really want, pick favorites. As far as I'm concerned it's fine as is, though.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:37, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Evolution Places

There should be three categorizes for places which evolve Burmy into particular Wormadam.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 11:23, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

If you mean putting location pages into categories based on the Cloak Burmy changes into after battling there, unfortunately it's more complicated than that. I've done a lot of research into environmental effects in Generation 6 and 7 (and a little bit in Gen 8, but only Nature Power exists, so there's not much to it). For Gen 6, you can read User:SnorlaxMonster/Environment for the full listing of what every location changes Burmy's Cloak to. (Gen 7 I haven't published yet, and earlier Gens I haven't researched.) --SnorlaxMonster 13:03, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Possible Origins of Burmy's (and Wormadam's) Cloaks?

While it's clear that Burmy is inspired by a bagworm larva, and that its plant cloak is inspired by the twigs bagworm larva cover themselves with, I think its other forms potentially draw inspiration from other insect larva. I believe the Sandy Cloak is possibly inspired by caddisfly larva, which cover their bodies with materials such as sand and pebbles, while the Trash Cloak is possibly inspired by lacewing larva, which are also known as junk bugs because they cover themselves with random debris including the leftovers of their meals, i.e. trash (source). However, I wanted to check and see if this is appropriate to add to the Origins section rather than just go ahead and do it. At the very least I think it should be mentioned that Burmy's cloaks possibly stem from the fact that bagworm larva cover themselves with plant material such as twigs. --SpinyShell (talk) 02:03, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

That sounds like a reasonable addition to the Origin section. --SnorlaxMonster 09:17, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing before, but I've since found out that some bagworms actually do use sand and home materials to construct their cases. Icycatelf (talk)

I'd say that's fine to be added.--ForceFire 04:29, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Hidden power checker

In Pokémon black 2 the hidden power checker doesn’t tell me what type Burmy’s hidden power is like in gen 4 Do we need to check other games because it seems weird that it wouldn’t work in games from 2 different gens PanPan 23 (talk) 16:05, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Snow Storm

It's currently stated in the intro that Burmy will change into its Sandy Cloak in snow storms during Gen IV. I find this this a little unclear as to what it's referring to. Overworld hail? Or areas that happen to have constant snow fall? WOLKsite (talk) 10:24, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Randomised overworld weather doesnt impact the form, its referring to areas like Sinnoh Route 217 and Kalos Route 17. There just isnt a consistent way to describe these areas based on terrain. Pallukun (talk) 17:00, 14 November 2022 (UTC)