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|I've another "is it notable" kinda question: the {{Cat| | |I've another "is it notable" kinda question: the {{Cat|Animation characters (Pokémon)|Anime Pokémon}} section here is getting bigger and bigger by the day. Many contributors, including you and me, are adding Pokémon characters articles constantly. We have articles for minor Pokémon such as Drew's Butterfree, Paul's Azumarill, Vicious's Scizor, Nero, Orville, Pink Butterfree, Spoink (anime) and others. Some of them appeared in only one episode, or had extremely minor roles. The question is - when is it too much? Which specific Pokémon deserve articles and which don't? For example: many Gym Leaders used one Pokémon prominently, and that Pokémon debuted in the series under their ownership. Common examples are Lt. Surge's Raichu, Erika's Gloom, Sabrina's Kadabra, Blaine's Magmar, Whitney's Miltank and others. These Pokémon had a far more important role in the anime than, say, Orville or Nero. I'd love to give them each articles of their own, but I just don't know if it's right. What say you? –{{u|electAbuzzzz}} 16:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
: Personally, I don't think the articles on Vicious's Pokémon are necessary, as are the articles about Paul's Pokémon that he owned for one episode. I think it goes too far when the Pokémon didn't play too big of a role in its episode AND was never heard from again. Examples: Vicious's Scizor, Paul's Azumarill, Paul's Murkrow (which hasn't even debuted yet!), and Paul's Weavile, who we don't even know if he'll keep. I'll bring it up with the other staff and get their opinions on it. –{{u|PAK Man}} <sup>[[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]]</sup> 16:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC) | : Personally, I don't think the articles on Vicious's Pokémon are necessary, as are the articles about Paul's Pokémon that he owned for one episode. I think it goes too far when the Pokémon didn't play too big of a role in its episode AND was never heard from again. Examples: Vicious's Scizor, Paul's Azumarill, Paul's Murkrow (which hasn't even debuted yet!), and Paul's Weavile, who we don't even know if he'll keep. I'll bring it up with the other staff and get their opinions on it. –{{u|PAK Man}} <sup>[[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]]</sup> 16:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
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Now folks, ''that'' is how the articles on Gym Leaders’ Pokémon began. I wrote up a few articles about unique Pokémon who has a real and meaningful impact on the plot. Why? Because they were (and are) good articles, with real content. Now let’s fast-forward two years: somewhere along the way, someone decided that every single Gym Leader deserves to have an article about a Pokémon of his. The result? A whole page (I’ll never dare using the word "article" to describe that thing) about - ''wait for it'' – <span class="plainlinks">[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Rudy%27s_Starmie&oldid=762862 Rudy’s freaking Starmie]. And another about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bugsy%27s_Scyther&oldid=618771 Bugsy’s Scyther]. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Koga%27s_Venomoth&oldid=781102 Koga’s Venomoth]. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Tucker%27s_Arcanine&oldid=478578 Tucker’s Arcanine].</span> Now explain to me – please oh please, explain to me – what is the purpose, the point, of having these pages that contain nothing more than a paragraph surrounded by flashy templates that contain no content. | Now folks, ''that'' is how the articles on Gym Leaders’ Pokémon began. I wrote up a few articles about unique Pokémon who has a real and meaningful impact on the plot. Why? Because they were (and are) good articles, with real content. Now let’s fast-forward two years: somewhere along the way, someone decided that every single Gym Leader deserves to have an article about a Pokémon of his. The result? A whole page (I’ll never dare using the word "article" to describe that thing) about - ''wait for it'' – <span class="plainlinks">[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Rudy%27s_Starmie&oldid=762862 Rudy’s freaking Starmie]. And another about [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Bugsy%27s_Scyther&oldid=618771 Bugsy’s Scyther]. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Koga%27s_Venomoth&oldid=781102 Koga’s Venomoth]. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Tucker%27s_Arcanine&oldid=478578 Tucker’s Arcanine].</span> Now explain to me – please oh please, explain to me – what is the purpose, the point, of having these pages that contain nothing more than a paragraph surrounded by flashy templates that contain no content. | ||
So with a struggle that was started by the now | So with a struggle that was started by the now Leadership Board member PAK (remember him?) and was brought home by the now administrator Buzz (that’s me!), we finally created an official {{bp|Notability requirements/Anime Pokémon|notability policy especially for these articles}}. Not everyone was happy, though – some users correctly stated that crappy as the articles may be, by removing them, we’re removing content. However, that is not the case. | ||
You see, my purpose when I removed <span class="plainlinks"> [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Drew%27s_Absol&oldid=762550 t][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Drew%27s_Butterfree&oldid=457802 h][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Drew%27s_Flygon&oldid=786236 e][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Drew%27s_Masquerain&oldid=795319 se]</span> "articles", was to take a bunch of tiny, crappy pages and turn them into something of real content – make them a section on [[Drew|another]] page – where they belong. That’s what we want. To make good, quality articles – instead of a huge bunch of paragraphs scattered all over the place in a million pages. | You see, my purpose when I removed <span class="plainlinks"> [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Drew%27s_Absol&oldid=762550 t][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Drew%27s_Butterfree&oldid=457802 h][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Drew%27s_Flygon&oldid=786236 e][http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Drew%27s_Masquerain&oldid=795319 se]</span> "articles", was to take a bunch of tiny, crappy pages and turn them into something of real content – make them a section on [[Drew|another]] page – where they belong. That’s what we want. To make good, quality articles – instead of a huge bunch of paragraphs scattered all over the place in a million pages. | ||
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===<span style="font-family:Times New Roman">No, I don’t give a ship.</span>=== | ===<span style="font-family:Times New Roman">No, I don’t give a ship.</span>=== | ||
OK, I’m gonna be careful with my wording here because I know some users feel very strongly about this issue. First of all, just so you won’t get me the wrong way: I do not think [[shipping]], as a rule, is not notable. Shipping is a major part of the Pokémon fandom. If we have articles about the [[Pokémon USA recasting controversy]], the | OK, I’m gonna be careful with my wording here because I know some users feel very strongly about this issue. First of all, just so you won’t get me the wrong way: I do not think [[shipping]], as a rule, is not notable. Shipping is a major part of the Pokémon fandom. If we have articles about the [[Pokémon USA recasting controversy]], the Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation, the [[Big Four]], and [[HSOWA]], shipping definitely has a place on Bulbapedia. Things like [[PokéShipping]], [[RocketShipping]], [[PearlShipping]] and [[ContestShipping]], are important part of the fandom. | ||
How many of you, though, truly feel that we absolutely need an article about {{ | How many of you, though, truly feel that we absolutely need an article about {{tt|AdvanceCloneShipping|article redirected on September 3, 2009, 25 days after this essay was published}}? Or {{redlink|AlienShipping}}? Perhaps {{tt|AllergyShipping|article deleted on October 2, 2009, 54 days after this essay was published}}? No? How many of you, I wonder, are avid supporters of {{tt|EnergyShipping|article deleted on October 4, 2009, 56 days after this essay was published}}? Or {{redlink|FireworksShipping}}? How many of you think {{tt|ForinaShipping|article deleted on October 1, 2009, 53 days after this essay was published}} and {{tt|OysterShipping|article redirected on September 3, 2009, 25 days after this essay was published}} are a vital part of Bulbapedia? How many of you even had some slight idea about what these shippings are, before clicking those links? | ||
The shipping namespace currently holds almost 200 pages. These include {{ | The shipping namespace currently holds almost 200 pages. These include {{tt|RespectShipping|article deleted on September 10, 2009, 32 days after this essay was published}}, {{tt|GreenShipping|article deleted on October 1, 2009, 53 days after this essay was published}} and of course, the glory that is {{tt|CinnabarShipping|article deleted on October 1, 2009, 53 days after this essay was published}}. I’m sorry, I know that for some reason we hold different, extra-low standards for shipping, but nothing, nothing at all, justifies {{tt|this|Ships based on RL people; section deleted on August 13, 2009, 4 days after this essay was published}}. We’ve been too forgiving with this section, and nothing anyone will say can change that. | ||
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