Talk:Orre

Better Map

Does anyone have better (bigger) image of Orre from Pokémon XD? --Maxim 19:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Arizona Desert

Wikipedia's article on Orre states and cites that Orre is based off of the Arizona Desert.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orre

That it's based off the area of Japan with Hiroshima does seem more logical to me....Cheesedude 04:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Im convinced its based off Arizona. Since last I checked, Hiroshima was not next to a desert. Besides, I seem to recall a Nintendo Power article with an interview with the creator of Colluseum stating it was there, and the name is pretty obvious(phenac/pheonix).--Bandit1108 04:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Far as I'm concerned, the town names are after minerals, Phenac seems more off of phenakite than Phoenix, Arizona. After all, the region's name is Orre, which seems to be a play on ore, and we have Agate, Pyrite, and Phenac, all minerals. Gateon Port... probably from Agate (which it is near to) and "eon", the suffix of the Eeveelutions, which can be obtained here due to being able to get one of their evolutionary items here. It could also be from "gate", as it's the gate to the sea and to Citadark Isle. --TTEchidna 12:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

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I don't want to be so quick to delete all that about how it could be based on Hiroshima. I mean, it's almost all fan speculation anyway. Who's to say that it couldn't have been inspired by both Arizona and Hiroshima post-bomb? I thought it was a very interesting addition to the article. Maybe there should be a section on possible basis for the region with both theories instead of assuming one or neither is correct. --Greengiant 16:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

If you want to add something like that, go ahead, but the problem is that the Hiroshima thing is totally speculation from fans while Arizona was specifically mentioned in an interview long ago, when the the first Colosseum came out. It seemed very odd to me that the latter was there while the former was left out. Also, someone else removed the part about Orre being west of Johto/Kanto (I'm sure it's just another assumption because Hiroshima is west of the real-life Kansai/Kantou) for being completely unfounded but left the rest in. The article on the Pokemon world's relation to the real world also mentions the Arizona connection, so it would also be inconsistant to attribute it to Hiroshima here.--AuthorX 11:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, well, if that interview was from nintendo power, I'd suggest you take it with a grain of salt. Those guys are ALSO the ones who said that Shigeru Miyamoto said that Ocarina of Time took place right after Link's awakening. Besides, if you look at Orre, it doesn't even Resemble Arizona (while it is mainly a desert, it also has an Ocean jutting out of it and the Island was supposed to be miles away from mainland. Even the Gulf Of California doesn't have anything close to an Island on it's map. my guess is that it's based off of Hiroshima.

Weedle Mchairybug 13:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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In the case of Arizona being the basis of Orre, maybe Orre is on a different continent entirely, like comparing to Arizona and Japan. --Mooshykris 02:29, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I really think Orre is meant to be very separate from the other areas, and based on the West. In the original Japanese versions, it's the only one where the characters and places aren't named primarily in Japanese, and they use pokedollars as currency, rather than the normal yen that the other regions use. Capsule Computer 08:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, but Rui doesn't sound American (it still sounds a bit asian). And also, not having japanese names, technically, the Violet city teacher wasn't really named in Japanese, either (His name in the Japanese version was Giovanni, which is the english name of the Team Rocket Leader).

Weedle Mchairybug 13:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

The names of Orre characters are nothing like American and nothing like Japanese. They are completely pulled out from creators' asses. In both Japanese and English version. --Maxim 16:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I didn't SAY that they were japanese. I just said that the Name Rui sounded Asian. Just because something's asian doesn't mean it must be Japanese.

Weedle Mchairybug 19:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, many of the names sound very much English in the original Japanese version; save for some main characters names like Ryûto (Michael), Mirei (Rui), and Setsuma (Beluh). Names such as Mayor Backley (Es Cade), Leo (Wes), and Logan (Eagun) are evidence of such. However, due to the inclusion of Japanese names along with English names, I would hesitate to say it must be based on Arizona. Also, Arizona doesn't have a coastline. Gateon Port could be on the Gulf of California, and thus in Mexico, however. But Chûgoku has some merit. There is a desert in Chûgoku, the largest in all of Japan. Unfortunately, it is the Tottori Sand Dunes, which is on the other side of Chûgoku from Hiroshima. One could imagine the sands spreading across Chûgoku from Tottori to Hiroshima to become the desert of Orre, but that would mean forgetting about the Chûgoku Mountains, which literally divide the region in half, running east-west, creating a distinct northern region from the southern region. The north is more inhospitable, and has such things as the rugged landscapes of Tottori and Shimane (where Izumo is located). The south is more lush and plain-covered, and has beautiful forests as well. This distinction would lead me, finally to hesitate whether Hiroshima is really the right place to locate Orre, especially considering the report years ago when Colosseum first came out. Still, the blasted landscape after WWII was quite desert-like for a while, so if something major were to happen, in say, 5th or 6th gen when they finally get to mapping Chûgoku into the Pokémon Nation (and thus bridge Johto and Hoenn), something major such as a huge destruction as a result of the game's conflict, destruction on an even more massive scale than the bombing, but similar to it, I could imagine Hiroshima becoming like Orre. However, that is more in the domain of speculation and pushing on fanwank, and I would rather wait for evidence than push ahead that idea. For now, I wouldn't assume any particular location for Orre, until some new evidence is brought forth if and when they release a new title in the Orre Region. Satosuke 05:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the whole Hiroshima/Tagakaski bombings in WWII (or something similar to it, in effect.) would probably explain why it's virtually devoid of wild Pokemon. I mean, most deserts do have fauna/flora in it (even if it IS limited.) (Heck, that desert in Hoenn and [albeit probably only in D/P], Sinnoh had forms of life in there (Cacnea, Sandshrew and Dittos even.).), However, the Colosseum/XD games hinted that there weren't ANY wild pokemon in the region, which wouldn't really make sense if it was a natural desert (well, except for maybe Ho-oh and Celebi, but it was hinted that they may not live in Orre [and Celebi could have had some sort of homing instinct when it hears a Mystery flute.].). The closest we've ever seen to wild pokemon in the region is the Pokespots, which even then, it can be easily explained that a. Nature is slowly coming back to Orre, and b. certain areas would have protected the pokemon habitats from the radiation (eg, Cave Pokespot.) Weedle Mchairybug 16:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

We seem to be on the same wavelength regarding Orre and it's deserted-of-life nature. I personally see Orre as the Hiroshima district of Chūgoku, but we can't say that for proof. However, someone seems to have added the Arizona information back in. There isn't any proof it was based on Arizona, save some reference that some people remember hearing second-hand but no-one seems to know from where. For the sakes of my fanfiction, Orre is the Hiroshima district (but of course, that fanfiction also includes Logan as an assumed name by Satoshi, so...); in terms of fact, we have no proof it was based on either Hiroshima or Arizona, and neither deserves a place in the article, save the trivia section. Remember that Arizona does not border the sea, and Hiroshima isn't a desert region. Pokémon does mix and move some things around, and history could change Hiroshima into a more desert-like region (or history could be rewritten, but the fact is) we don't have any proof. So to defend the notions of truth and love, I must remove such references from the article. Satosuke 03:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, remove it if you want to, I won't stop you. I just wanted to point out, though, that no desert is actually scarce of wildlife (at least, not to the same extent that they described Orre as being.). Heck, the Desert on Route 111 and Battle Zone's Route 226 had far more pokemon than Orre did, and those were just as deserty as it was. The only way that it could be as scarce of pokemon as it claims it to be is if it was something like a Nuclear Holocaust (or the pokemon equivalent of it.). Still, good idea as to remove Hiroshima and Arizona from possible locations (even if we know that Hiroshima was more likely the basis of the region, it's not proven. I mean, yeah, the real Hiroshima wasn't a desert, but I'm pretty sure WWII's bombings of that area would have left it in a similar environment, and besides, Valley Windworks's real life-equivalent (and Floraroma's not to mention) was in a desert and not a flower-field, and that didn't stop D/P/P from having it be a flowery plain.) Weedle Mchairybug 00:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

You're totally correct. I in no way disagree with that notion. What I do wonder is if Orre is supposed to be some far-flung future, then that would place the main games before WWII; but a Magnet Train doesn't even exist in Japan yet. So we're definitely working with alternate reality. So Orre COULD be Hiroshima; though that would mean though that Aio Port (Gateon Port), if it is Hiroshima, has been moved. Nagasaki, however, belongs in Hoenn, and there's no sign of destruction there (though, I don't know what the situation with the destruction at Nagasaki was though). Still, we're dealing with speculation here, so neither Arizona or Hiroshima belong in the main article. Satosuke 04:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

True, But then again, I wouldn't exactly call it a far-flung future or an alternate reality, considering the fact that one of the national pokemon trading center in the Sevii Island's locations is Orre, and presumably at the same time as you trade pokemon with it. Weedle Mchairybug 10:57, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Gameplay and Story Segregation. Was released around same time as 3rd Gen, needed to communicate with them to "Catch 'Em All!" 'Cause you Gotta' Catch 'Em All if you're playing a Pokémon Game and Colloseum was necessary until Emerald came out to complete the National Dex, what with Johto starters and all that).Satosuke 15:46, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon League

"There is no form of a Pokémon League, but rather, a variety of facilities which offer consecutive battles. However, Michael wanting to start his Pokémon Journey when he comes of age would imply that there is at least something similar to a Pokémon League in Orre, if not an actual Pokémon League." OR Michael will go to Hoenn or another region to become an official trainer. --Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi 21:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC) Kimori Geckarbor Hinoarashi Kimori-Hinoarashi

Or "starting his Pokémon Journey" may refer to him challenging all the Colosseums, where the "journey" refers to discovering and traveling to all the colosseums of the region --Circus ninja536 17:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok, for Orre locations, what map are we using?

Which map of Orre are we using, there is 3 different ones. We got a:File:Orre Pyrite Town Map.png, a:File:Orre Orre Colosseum map.png, and not sure about this one a:File:Orre.png. And some Orre locations need to be fixed up.--Midnight Blue 04:03, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, we can't use just one map for every location. Although I'd base the overall map for most locations off the one from Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness, we won't be able to do it that way for The Under since that location exists only in Colosseum... - unsigned comment from Shiningpikablu252 (talk • contribs)

I see, would it be better, if we had more maps for each location, we used the fan made one?--Midnight Blue 04:13, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Do we consider Orre a main series region or no?

On the regions template, Orre is in the Side games section while Pokémon XD, is in the Main series template. Is it because we don't know where Orre is located in the world? I'm just curious.--Midnight Blue 08:01, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

It's a main series region. I've fixed the region template. Werdnae (talk) 09:25, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

no orre is not a main region. it is part of two side games. the main games are pokemon red, green,(blue),yellow, gold, silver, crystal, ruby, sapphire, emerald,(firered, leafgreen),diamond, pearl, platinum,(soulsilver,heartgold), black and white because they do not stray far from the original games, they introduce the generation's pokemon and they are handhelds.please fix this.Pipcrew 02:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it is considered a main region. I discussed it with the lord high Echidna before changing it (hence the four day gap), and he said that Colo and XD are main series games, as they are the same style RPG as the main series, while all side series games are a different stlye of RPG. Werdnae (talk) 03:04, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

American Arizona state phoenix city is a model.

Testimony by developer. http://www.nintendo.co.jp/nom/0311/soft/interv01.html Sawamular101 19:06, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Bordering regions

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On the map of Orre in Colosseum, what would appear to be various regions can be seen bordering Orre. Thay are named, but the writing is too small for me to read (also, they may be in Japanese). Should they be mentioned?

Also should this map (or a similar one) be added to the page for reference? (since we have multiple maps of other regions on the other pages) XVuvuzela2010X 15:37, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. One of these "regions" is located where the open ocean is located in Pokemon XD. Gateon Port and Krane's Lab are also located where one of these other regions would be. That says to me that they aren't actual Pokemon regions and are all a part of Orre. Even if they ended up being other regions there's no official source saying so. That = speculation. I'll humor you by keeping it in trivia but I'm changing it so people don't mistake it for fact. Tokeupdude 03:22, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Are you kidding? Why would the Colosseum map categorize those areas as separate political divisions if they were just part of Orre? - unsigned comment from Ericss (talk • contribs)

Only region not in the anime?

Well i'm not 100% sure about that but wouldn't that make some nice trivia? - unsigned comment from Savelijah (talk • contribs)

Fiore, Almia, and Oblivia says hi. (But seriously, no) ----神智の超龍「對話」 17:47, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Korean or Chinese name

Does Orre have an official Korean or Chinese name? Our Chinese affiliate calls it 欧雷地方, but I'm not sure about the source of that name. For Korean, somehow Colosseum has a Korean name, so despite not being released there, something Colosseum-related must have been released there. --Abcboy (talk) 03:05, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Different Universe/NOT Main series region

I find it frankly totally ridiculous that I need to make this a new section when it's responding to a current one, but here we go. Reposting my earlier comment about Orre's main series relevance:

I'm sorry, but how has no one remembered/found this before? Not only does this prove that the XD clearly stands for "eXtra Dimension", but that Orre is not a main series region in the same universe. Gazorpazorpfeld (talk) 15:16, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

The discussion was over 6 months old and was already answered, so there was no need to respond to it any further. If you want to discuss it further, you create a new section. And it appears we have Orre listed as a side series region on the template.--ForceFire 15:29, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

If the author of that article could possibly make it clear that "Turns out the XD in the title stands for extra dimension, as the game takes place in a whole new universe from the other Pokemon titles" came from what a game rep or something told him, that'd be great. (I do recognize that it's quite an old article.) But otherwise, it's impossible for us to be certain he's not just arriving at the last part by speculating from the first part. The fact that this has no real secondary support anywhere else makes it very difficult to trust anything that's not super-duper clear and unambiguous. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:39, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

XD poulation count

I'm playing XD right now and had the thought to help complete the section but I'm a bit confused as to what counts as population and which areas are included and why. Someone's already done the count in Gateon but I'm guessing the other towns need a fresh count? Should the HQ Lab be counted or be ignored like Mt. Battle? Piranhaguppy (talk) 15:56, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

More sources for Orre being based on Phoenix, Arizona?

This well-known interview that is said to confirm Orre's inspiration http://www.nintendo.co.jp/nom/0311/soft/interv01.html seems to only imply the music director (Tsukasa Tawada) based Colosseum's soundtrack on Phoenix, not that Orre itself was, unless I'm misunderstanding something. Can anyone who is more fluent in Japanese confirm this? It would be cool if Orre was based on Phoenix since I'm from there, but I can't find any sources besides that interview. The Japanese Wikipedia article for Colosseum states that Orre is based on Phoenix but again, it's not sourced. --Poliwhirl (talk) 08:37, 7 December 2022 (UTC)