Talk:Pokémon X and Y

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Titles missing "Version"?

Do the titles include "version" this time? I'm not seeing it on the official site or the trailer. I think they're just called Pokemon X and Pokemon Y now. Hheebo (talk) 14:17, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Pokémon X and Y "Versions"?

Is it right to be calling them Pokemon X Version and Pokemon Y version? Unlike previous games Nintendo hasn't used the word "version" when referring to them by name, just calling them Pokemon X and Pokemon Y rather than, to use the most recent example, "Pokemon Black Version 2" and "Pokemon White Version 2". The logos don't contain the word "version" either. I think they should simply be referred to as Pokemon X and Y. EDIT: Ninja'd by Hheebo. Delete if necessary. NFreak007 (talk) 14:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I second this. "Versions" hasn't been mentioned at all, nor are contained in the logos. If "Versions" were in the title, there's usually a habit of saying it every time the game title comes up. It's misleading to list the article as it being called "X and Y Versions" if there really isn't any facts backing that up. --Manaphy1 16:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Thirded. It should be Pokémon X and Y, as I stated on Pokémon Black and White Versions 2's trivia section. Please rename this page and change this article and the Generation VI one accordingly. Digifiend (talk) 17:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Fourthed. Every other main series entry has had "version" on it, this is different in all languages. This should be reflected in the title of the page. - unsigned comment from NP Chilla (talk • contribs)

Here. Enjoy. Masatoshi_talk 18:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

That seems to be a screenshot from Nintendo3DS's video. The official Pokémon channel uploaded the same trailer, and they don't use the word Version, and they're strict with that word, putting it in all Black Version 1 and White Version 1 videos. ToastUltimatum 19:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

The same video is also on Pokemon.com, without the word "Version." I fifth the notion that it should be struck from here, because it doesn't appear to be in any official media. --The Great Butler (talk) 02:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I think it would be a good idea to move it to Pokémon X and Y, 'cause it doesn't even say the name "version" in the title. In previous games, the official sources have said "Pokémon [title] Version" only if it has the word "version in the logo. These games are different, they don't have "version" in the title at all, so I really wouldn't see any reason to have it titled "Pokémon X and Y Versions".—Platinum Lucario (talk) 10:29, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I would like to agree with the page move as well, but I really can't say until there is more usage of just "Pokemon X and Y" an not "Pokemon X version and Pokemon Y version". I am undecided since I've seen Pokémon Direct recordings with the word "version" in it (like in the picture posted by Masatoshi), but everything else points to just calling it Pokémon X and Y. - Vhayes¹⁹⁹² 23:38, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

The official press release repeatedly lists the trademarked titles as Pokémon X and Pokémon Y and never uses the term "Version." Excerpt: "Pokémon X and Pokémon Y will be the blueprint for an exciting array of new animation, Pokémon TCG, and toys debuting around the world."

In all of their press releases for other games in the series they use "Version," for example this excerpt from the B2W2 press release: "The successors to the acclaimed Pokémon Black Version and Pokémon White Version games, Pokémon Black Version 2 and Pokémon White Version 2..."

So it seems pretty obvious that it should be moved to "Pokémon X and Y."AmaranthSparrow (talk) 21:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Heck, even Pokémon.com reads "An all-new 3D Pokémon adventure packed with never-before-seen Pokémon will launch worldwide in October 2013. Pokémon X and Pokémon Y will present a new generation of Pokémon, and introduce players to an exciting new adventure in a breathtaking 3D world." Could an admin PLEASE hurry up and move the name of this page? ToastUltimatum 23:25, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

By moving the page, not only would {{v}}, {{2v}}, {{2v2}}, and {{game}} have to be edited (besides the fact that they are all massively used) but every single page that links here would also have to be edited. There's also {{PokémonInfobox}}, which is only used on over 650 pages. Templates on the Archives would also have to be changed. --Abcboy (talk) 23:44, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm against moving this page, at the very least until further information is available. "Version" is part of what separates the main series for games like Stadium, XD, and the like. Furthermore, there is at least some evidence that these games are still titled "X Version" and "Y Version" as seen in the picture Masa posted. It seems to me like the company is merely advertising the game in this manner because this is how the fandom always refers to the games, that is, without the word "version". Furthermore, this is probably simpler since it saves them the trouble of having to write "version" in several different languages all at once (remember, this is getting an instant worldwide release, and "Pokemon" is pretty universal while "version" isn't). We should at least wait a while before moving the page, and then having to move it back again. Crystal Talian 23:49, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Just to clarify, Masatoshi's image wasn't official; the official trailer doesn't have that banner on it, nor refers to them at all as having "Versions". As for the templates, they don't appear hard to edit in a change if you use "if switches". --Manaphy1 00:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Just to clarify, "#if:" switches work differently than "#switch:"es. Don't worry though, it'll only cause the servers to fail like when {{roundy}} used them.--Abcboy (talk) 01:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

His image was official. This is official straight from Nintendo's website. It says "version". This is why I am sort of reserving a conclusion and doing a wait and see. - Vhayes¹⁹⁹² 02:16, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Where? From what I can see, it calls them Polémon X (lol, presumably a typo) and Pokémon Y. Digifiend (talk) 03:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

The video. --Abcboy (talk) 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Seems more likely to be some sort of mistake, given that the other videos don't feature that and the press release specifically omits the word. Anyway, I have contacted Nintendo regarding the title of the games, and will wait to see what they have to say about it. --Dorsal Axe (talk) 17:14, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

What about the Nintendo's UK website? --Abcboy (talk) 21:46, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

All of the official Nintendo websites, including even the Pokémon website clearly state it as Pokémon X and Pokémon Y. There is no official Nintendo website that calls them "Pokémon X Version" and "Pokémon Y Version".—Platinum Lucario (talk) 08:19, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

The point is that in the official Pokémon Direct announcement it is present. Every other main series game has it, and in the official announcement (which is on official Nintendo websites) it uses it. Until we get boxart, we should follow what we have been given. It is very commonplace to drop "version" when talking about the titles (Iwata did it himself in the Pokémon Direct video, while "version" was shown on the screen). --SnorlaxMonster 08:38, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay, Nintendo got back to me. According to them, it's just "Pokémon X" and "Pokémon Y", and they go on to mention that whatever the website says is the "current" and most up-to-date official source. (and I must say, I'm impressed with how quickly they responded :p). --Dorsal Axe (talk) 13:36, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Then they forgot to remove the Version thing in the video. This seems solid enough for us. We would be moving this page to Pokémon X and Y and doing all necessary changes soon (not before letting the rest of the staff know). Masatoshi_talk 14:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Upon further discussion, we decided to put the moving on hold until we make sure of some stuff related to TPCi. It's still strange that after 15 years, they decide to drop "Version" just like that. Masatoshi_talk 16:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Aww, can't you please move the page already? It's already been confirmed by Nintendo that it's called simply Pokémon X and Pokémon Y, it even says that in the official logos of the trailer and official website of http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/ that it's only called Pokémon X and Pokémon Y. What do you think? Do you really think it's going to change just to the way you think it's going to be? I'm afraid you're just not used to change, and I understand it takes us a while to adapt to change. ^^—Platinum Lucario (talk) 04:38, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with being afraid of change. We needed to be absolutely sure, which is why they've put it off so far. R.A. Hunter Blade 05:22, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm sure we have had plenty of proof that it is simply Pokémon X and Pokémon Y, having known that http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/ is an official source that comes from the official Pokémon website. That website alone is enough to make you absolutely sure that it really is official. ;) —Platinum Lucario (talk) 14:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

New region

In this article it states that the new region is likely based off of France but the Generation VI page says it draws inspiration from various points within Europe. The pages should be more consistent and more neutral about the subject. Արիանո 14:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

• The Nintendo Direct Trailer begins with Pikachu atop the Eiffel Tower. Unova draws from inspirations outside of the strict real world New York; it's not conflicting to say it's both based on France and draws inspiration from the rest of Europe.

Trivia to be added, I believe...

A bit of trivia to be added:

• These are the first main series games to have letters in the title rather than color names.
• The game titles may be named after the X and Y axes of the Cartesian coordinations. ~~LDEJRuff~~ 10:04, 8 January, 2013 (UTC)

Given that the Japanese logos clearly have DNA helixes in them, I think it's safe to say that they were going for genetics. Not coordinates. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 15:10, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Why not both? --Dorsal Axe (talk) 15:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Because the Japanese logos have DNA helixes in them so they are standing for genetics, not coordinates. It was made pretty clear by Jo. Rainbow Shifter (talk) 17:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

They're obviously named after the x and y chromosomes, not coordinates. Munlax (talk) 17:14, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Could it not be a double meaning? Digifiend (talk) 17:16, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

And what makes you think it's coordinates? For all I know, we could also use algebraic expressions. So far, Jo's bet is the safest. Since it has helixes that resemble a DNA string, it's unlikely to have been based in coordinates. Masatoshi_talk 17:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

It's obviously based on Genetics, but Gamefreak and Nintendo love puns. X axis and Y axis. If the third legendary forms a Z shape, then I think it's safe to say that it's also partially a stealth 3DS pun --Shadowater (talk) 20:26, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Why would it be based off coordinates anyway? It makes more sense to have them based off genetics seeming as you breed Pokemon in the game. And no, it has been said numerous times: The Japanese logos have DNA helixes in them. End of story. Rainbow Shifter (talk) 17:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

That doesn't really discount the other reasoning. You may notice the logo is also in 3D text (which they've never done for a logo before), which would indicate to me that they're going for a double entendre with the titles. --Dorsal Axe (talk) 17:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I thought it was to do with the buttons on the DS and 3DS consoles, shows what I know...TurtleLover1999 (talk) 20:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

More trivia for your perusal: They'll be the first main series games to be released simultaneously worldwide, and "Pokemon X" was the original name for both Lugia and Pokemon Crystal. Luigi-San 22:10, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree about the released simultaneously worldwide as I was planning to suggest that myself. -Tyler53841 (talk) 02:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't think that the genetic base is so obvious, that thing in the logo can mean a lot of things. Also the coordinates reasoning in the first 3-dimentional game on a 3DS is supported by the fact that Yveltal is flying while Xerneas is on the ground, like the axes. Can't be a coincidence. However save this geneticVSgeometic debate til we know if there is any Z Pokemon. It would kill the genetic theory and support the coordinates one. --Tano (talk) 20:22, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

The fact that one flies and the other one roams the land does not mean they are based in coordinates or spacial axes, it CAN be a coincidence. The DNA string is heavily implied in the Japanese logo and supports the theory, while the axial theory only has a "What if the third version is Z?" as its support, and the fact that Xerneas runs horizontally (Even diagonally when it jumps!) and Yveltal flies (although horizontally, vertically, diagonally, you name it). Masatoshi_talk 20:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

They would have been pretty stupid if they made them able to move only horizontally or vertically, and unable to jump. What kind of argument is that? The point is that the X axis on a graph goes across, the Y axis goes up, and is the Y Pokemon that flies, while the X pokemon is on the ground, not the opposite. However, as I said, we should wait. I'm not saying that the coordinates theory is the right one (well, that's my intuition), but I don't think you have any proof to say for sure that they're related to chromosomes either, except a small low definition detail on the logo that could be anything. I can totally see a Z pokemon related to stereo3D coming. It's almost impossible that they'll do nothing to use the 3D function of the console. —Tano (talk) 21:14, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Based off France?

To suggest the region will 'likely' be based on France seems to be speculation of the sort that the banner of the top forbids, Tokyo also has a structure like the Eiffel Tower. Alexsau1991 (talk) 17:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

The streets have an European-like setting; Pikachu spread his message from a location that seemed to be the same as France; that tower looks like the Eiffel Tower and it seems to use gray instead of white and red. While it's not confirmed, it is plausible that the region might be based in France. Masatoshi_talk 17:18, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

While it seems plausible, even likely. Isn't it still speculation? And why the entire region, rather than that particular city (I don't recall France having a desert, for example)? Castelia City in Black and White is said to be based off New York, yet the entire region isn't said to be based on the USA. Alexsau1991 (talk) 17:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

There's a big difference between the USA and France, the US is a massive country (in terms of size and little would be explored, if not ignoring plenty of cities). I for one think it may be based in Europe, but that city, along with that picture with the bridge remind me of the Palace of Versailles. Most people seem to agree it might be based in Europe/France, so for the time being, we'll leave it like this. Masatoshi_talk 17:50, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Pikachu's pretty clearly shown on the Eiffel Tower, in a country in the general location that everyone expects France to be. --Dorsal Axe (talk) 18:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Regardless it is very blatant speculation, of which this encyclopaedia has clearly warned it's editors of avoiding. Popular agreement is NOT "confirmation by a reliable source". What's the point in that rule, if your so keen on breaking it? Alexsau1991 (talk) 18:41, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I do agree that it's speculation right now. It's like when everybody put Kyurem as the third member of the Tao trio before it was confirmed, despite them arguing tooth and nail and out right refusing to allow Giratina to be stated as the third member of the Dragon trio before Platinum came out Shadowater (talk) 20:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Exactly. It's really inconsistent. As an admin, it seems as if Masatoshi is going for a 'do as I say, not as I do'. You can't rule 'no speculation', then allow a piece that you favour, or personally find convincing.

Even if the Eiffel Tower could be considered more than speculation, how do we arrive at the fact the WHOLE region is based on France?.. It's conjecture after conjecture... Alexsau1991 (talk) 01:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

In the trailer, Pikachu is seen on top of the Eiffel Tower. Literally. The camera zooms out and shows it in France. Saying the region is based on France is less of speculation, and more of an observation giving readers some idea what the region looks like. Rather than explaining every tiny little detail about the location, we can just blanket sweep it by saying, "It looks a lot like France." But obviously it's NOT France, cause Pokémon regions have almost never been real locations. (Sans Kanto. Kind of.) ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 01:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I think it would be a good idea to forbid this from being posted for now until more conclusive proof is gathered by any means from official sources to verify this though it would be a very slim chance that any of this is true. -Tyler53841 (talk) 02:16, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I should also point out that Junichi Masuda's current Twitter profile picture is him next to the Eiffel Tower and there is at least one message commenting on his trip to France. Possibly a coincidence, though it's hardly an argument against the region being based off France. - Blazios _talk 02:23, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Texas has an Eiffel Tower. Japan has a Statue of Liberty too, but Japan isn't the first place you think of when you think of the Statue of Liberty, is it? Then don't even get me started on Las Vegas. Pikachu is in the real life France in the intro, the girl's attire seems very French to me personally, the Pokémon team went to France for "work related reasons". I don't really see anything pointing it away from France, and I'm done having this discussion. There are more important things to worry about. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 02:53, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

huh. didn't know france had a desert. that city is obviously based on paris, but i have doubts on the entire region being based on france alone. just my 2cents, i could be wrong, but hey, speculation is speculation ;) Tarilaan (talk) 11:37, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Pretty sure there's not a desert full of ancient ruins or mountain ranges in New York City, either, yet they're both in Unova. The game COULD be based in all of Europe, but so far we've only seen evidence of France. Saying the game "seems to be based on France" doesn't exclude the possibility of it also being based on other areas as well, in any case. --ACDragonMaster (talk) 02:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Europe is the safest assumption til the game is released and we can tell for sure if it's France or more. No reason to rush guys, we don't have enough information. Even if all we have seen is from France (it's not), it still doesn't mean that there won't be any Pisa Tower or Berlin Wall or Roman Coliseum (that I'd very much like) in another footage. --Tano (talk) 20:25, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Also the 2 legendaries "Xcalibur" and "Yvern" have a great European feeling more then French. –Tano (talk) 21:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Exactly, we don't have enough information, so why should we jump to "it seems to be based on Europe" from the get-go? If anything, all evidence points to France (Eiffel tower, Versailles, Pikachu's location, Masuda's trip, etc.) It's still speculation, however, one way or the other.Gacs (talk) 08:02, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

France is in Europe. I think it's a safe assumption. —Tano (talk) 10:17, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

The page says Europe. I am putting an end to this discussion on Bulbapedia. If you wish to speculate more on the subject, take it to the forums. Subsequent messages will be removed, and blocks may be handed out. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 10:50, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Region is based in France

Besides the obvious Eiffel Tower reference, I found out that the buildings shown are reminiscent of Paris's type (which was forced as an official style there) and additionally, the place Pikachu is giving the conference is Paris. I'm including the picture for future reference. [1] --M.vit (talk) 22:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

There's a section discussing that right above this one. Please join that conversation instead of starting a new section for the same thing. --Pokemaster97 22:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Except South Korea

In the video, they only say "except select countries". --Abcboy (talk) 22:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Xerneas and Yveltal

Pokemon.com just confirmed the names of the mascots: Bambi is called Xerneas and Tweety is called Yveltal. http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/ NP Chilla (talk) 14:14, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Interwiki

Why don't you add the other lenguages? Central Wiki, PokéWiki, Pokéteca ? --Zapdos96 (talk) 18:02, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Done. (Thanks for the reminder.) --超龍_「Chao」 18:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Name origin

According to Japanese websites, the X and Y refer to the chromosomes --Ext (talk) 18:18, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Link to the source please. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 20:38, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

[2]here at comment #1154 talking about the logo showing DNA. Also here [3] read the article. The logo on the article should be updated. --Ext (talk) 13:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Error

It says "The first Pokémon to be released" when it should say "The first Pokémon revealed". —Clubchloe1 19:49, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Bolero Time

So are we going to completely ignore the fact that the male character is blatantly skating/roller-blading in the trailer? Twenty-six seconds in to the trailer. I mean, this is new game-play right? I'm mentioning it here because I know if I just go ahead and put it in I'll get loads of "well he might be using Surf or something" complaints because for some reason it's only worth adding if an admin happens to like it. So yeah. Me, Hurray! (talk) 22:52, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

November 2, 2013

Gamestop apparently lists the game's American release as Nov. 2nd, 2013? Is this true, and if so, wouldn't the article need to be updated to match it?--Darknesslover5000 (talk) 05:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Gamestop usually lists a incorrect date before a game comes out, so I wouldn't worry about updating the page. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 05:43, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I can rest easy--Darknesslover5000 (talk) 05:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

No so much an incorrect date as their estimation. They have to make these estimations for the purposes of preorders. --SnorlaxMonster 07:26, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

RFE: Broken Link in Bulbanews box

The Bulbanews box currently gets the link wrong:

{{bulbanews|game}} links to n:Category:Articles relating to Pokémon X and Y but the actual page is n:Category:Articles relating to Pokémon X and Y Versions.

It should be {{bulbanews|game|Pokémon X and Y Versions}} instead. --Stratelier 19:16, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I've changed the category on Bulbanews. --SnorlaxMonster 06:52, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

New Pokémon

A new, Mewtwo-esque Pokémon has been revealed. It needs to be added to this page.

• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk_YC0MXJ-0&list=PLQWzKIaERirwczLwQE6HegZyd4pYV5AwH
• http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/

MasterZ (talk) 23:48, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

It should be added on this page, but there isn't much anyone can write about it, as nothing is known except for the fact it's similar to Mewtwo. (Although in my opinion, I think it should just be noted with a photo about the new Pokemon in the Pokemon X and Y page and the Generation VI page). Btw, this new generation is totaly getting me pumped up for October! I know thats not a place to say that, but yea, just wanted to put that out there! LOL Hopefully new information will be available soon! :) PokeNerd 07:07, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's been added. Now we have to keep an eye out for its name... Maybe in the meantime we could just call it "New Mewtwo". MasterZ (talk) 20:15, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

NO. Absolutely no speculating for now. We need to wait for an official name. Frozen Fennec 20:21, 7 April 2013 (UTC)