Talk:Mewtwo (Pokémon)

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Lucario

Nice touch with the line about it not evolving given all the speculation about Lucario. (Argy)

These pages deal with known data, not random speculation. On top of that, there is no history of any legendary Pokemon evolving. --Jshadias 00:14, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

That was what I was referring to- the random, unfounded speculation going on at various forums. Before I saw that all non-evolving Pokemon had that line, I thought it was a nice touch to emphasize reality. (Argy)

Movie

Wait a minute... what was the second movie Mewtwo was the subject in? (Given Mewtwo Strikes Back is the first) If there was one before it, is there a reason it isn't listed in the movie section? -OmegaPlatinum

Mewtwo Returns. --PAK Man ^Talk 12:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

And the only reason why it wasn't listed in the movie section was because it really wasn't a movie. It was a TV special under the same lines of Raikou: The Legend Of Thunder. 4Kids thought that they could change the wording and certain dialogue so it WOULD seem like an ACTUAL movie even though it really wasn't.

Weedle Mchairybug 23:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

only one

is there only one mewtwo or is there more?

One per game. One in the anime. TTEchidna 09:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

In the Anime, yes there WAS only one, but it was hinted that they could have made many more of his species had he not destroyed their lab (Random scientist: Very Good, Excellent! Let's work on Mewthree! -Pokemon the first movie). And as for the games, yes, they made it quite clear in the games that Mewtwo is unique and one of a kind (the stadium games and the Mystery dungeon series don't count [and by stadium games, I mean just Pokemon Stadium ZERO (the unreleased japanese version), Pokemon Stadium, and Pokemon Stadium 2. I consider Colosseum/XD/Battle Revolution to be a different series from Stadium.].)

Weedle Mchairybug 23:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

But in FireRed and LeafGreen, they never mentioned about making another Mew clone. BlueJirachi 14:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, they never had it appear in Gold/Silver, they never had it appear in the Colosseum games, they never even had it appear in the Ranger games. the only games it appeared in besides Gen I and it's remakes is the Mystery Dungeon series and the Stadium games, which really don't count in regards to the games canon (heck, the Mystery dungeon games don't even take PLACE on the main Pokemon world.). and of course they didn't mention making another mew clone, because Mewtwo blew up the place before they could even record the idea. Weedle Mchairybug 15:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

"Born" or "created"

Nevermind, I found them. I was mistaken and Mew did give birth to Mewtwo.--Ceol 16:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

No, Mew did not physically give birth to Mewtwo. Mewtwo is a genetically inhanced clone of Mew. The whole concept of "Mew gave birth" is a metaphor for the fact that after a long time of creating clones of Mew that didn't survive the cloning process, the scientists were finally able to create a living clone from Mew's DNA. --いぬみみ 22:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, but a clone once created, must be implanted on a mother's womb to survive and grow. So, mew actually gave birth to Mewtwo. hfc2X 23:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Mewtwo was never in or near Mew when he was created. He was in his cloning tank until he finally broke it open when he was grown. --いぬみみ 20:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Go and read about cloning in the read world and you'll understand. Don't guide yourself by the anime. hfc2X 23:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I know about cloning in the real world, thank you. But by the anime, Mewtwo was in a tank for the first part of his life and no where else. And because he is a fictional cartoon/video game character, there is no other side to the story, meaning if being implanted wasn't shown or mentioned, then it didn't happen. People can make up theories of what they assume is truth but assuming is not truth and fictional characters don't have alternative sides because they are not real. And even if Mew "gave birth", how did the scientists get their hands on a Mew to implant Mewtwo? It was only mentioned that they found a fossilized eyebrow of a Mew. --いぬみみ 22:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

“Mew gave birth” is only in the games. Things from the show (eyebrow, tank etc.) are not relevant to how the games do things. IIMarckus 05:00, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

The anime is based off of the games and the anime goes indepth with almost everything in Pokemon. It was never mentioned in the game how Mewtwo was cloned or if he was implanted. "Mew gave birth" is considered a metaphor for the fact that the scientists were finally able to successfully create a clone of Mew. --いぬみみ 15:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

False. The anime is LOSELY based off the games. Hence the anime's Magnemites and Koffings don't need "partners" of the same specie in order to evolve, Red and Green are named Ash and Gary, and Mewtwo is a clone which wasn't created on Cinnabar Island. - unsigned comment from Spideym (talk • contribs)

The anime is based on the games in therms of major events, such as catching Pokémon, battling, encountering some characters, etc., not because of it shows some Pokémon before the time (such as Kecleon or Wynaut) it goes in depth of everything on Pokémon, it means that it is just media where Satoshi Tajiri wants to give an update of what's coming. So, according to the games (and basing on how cloning works on real world), Mewtwo was born from Mew. hfc2X 01:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Choose to believe what you want but Mewtwo was cloned in the anime and the games and was not technically born. Mewtwo's Red and Blue entry "It was created by a scientist after years of horrific gene splicing and DNA engineering experiments" meaning it was cloned. It was never stated that Mewtwo was inplanted in Mew and there is no proof of that. The book that said "Mew gave birth" is all you have to go by and it's most likely a metaphor and not a literal statement.--いぬみみ 22:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Cloned and born is the same. There is no clone that grows in a tank. If the anime showed something like that is just because it's children-oriented and some children just don't know how they born. Also I don't think it's important either, this looks like a forum thread. hfc2X 04:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

You and I both know that the Pokémon world works differently from our own. So, having a clone grow inside a tank in the Pokémon world is highly possible considering all the other technology that is used. And clones are different from naturally created creatures. They are not created the same way. --いぬみみ 22:34, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, as much as we say giving birth is a metaphor, etc. At the end of the day, things stated as fact in the anime are NOT considered to be true in the games. In the games, disregarding all evidence from the anime, we are told nothing about Mewtwo's creation other than that it was cloned (I think this first appears in Yellow's dex, but I'm not sure) and that Mew gave birth to it. We also know that these two events are possible to both be true. Additionally, I seem to recall the information about Mew giving birth to Mewtwo being written in someone's log of events - it seems unlikely that they would use metaphors in a log of events. Basically, what I'm trying to say is, based on the evidence exhibited in the games, NOT IN THE ANIME, clearly, Mewtwo was cloned from Mew, and Mew gave birth to Mewtwo.- unsigned comment from Gastly's mama (talk • contribs)

Unless you can prove its a metaphor, its stays. It gave birth. Says so in the game, and last time i checked, this is the game article.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

You make it sound like Mewtwo was conceived. "It was created by a scientist after years of horrific gene splicing and DNA engineering experiments."-Mewtwo's Red/Blue Pokédex entry. Technically by this, Mewtwo was created by a scientist after years of DNA experiments. All of Mewtwo's Pokédex entries except Yellow, Gold, Silver, and Stadium 2; mention something about genetic mutation and engineering. It was never stated that after the scientific genetic engineering, Mewtwo was implanted into Mew. Sure, in the real world, a clone is implanted into a parent, but you and i know that the real world and the Pokémon world can be quite different from each other. And with this being an encyclopedia, you can't just assume something took place because that's what would really happen. Either it was a metaphor refering to the fact that after years of attempting to successfully clone something from Mew, the scientists were finally able to create something (something being born of Mew's DNA), or Nintendo/GameFreak really wanted to confuse people on how Mewtwo was created, in the games anyway. --いぬみみ 01:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I will find the screenshot. it Literally says "Mew gave Birth TYoday, we called it Mewtwo. Check in fir red, journal on the third floor.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

What I was trying to say was that (in agreement with DCM) since in the games it says that it was both spliced (pokedex entry) and born (pokemon journal), and we know it is possible for both to happen at once, surely the only reasonable conclusion to draw

is that both DID happen? Gastlys mama 18:39, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Shiny coloration

Just stating that the gold may have been a poor excuse for a type of olive green or the such, and they decided to define it more in the coming generations. - JWhitt 13:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Wait, how do you get a shiny Mewtwo in Gold and Silver?Shadow1337 17:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure but i think that if your Mewtwo has an IV value less than 8 in your blue, red, or yellow game, and you trade him over to your silver, gold, or crystal game, it will become shiny. --いぬみみ 18:55, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

What's with this green coloration? I thought it was black. Or is that just the Mewtwo i obtained through a Brainboy cheat device? It looks black on the GBC screen, and on Pokémon stadium 2 in both the stadium and during gameboy mode. Yami 02:34, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

So can anyone tell me whats with the difference. I'm kind of figuring that somewhere in the extraction process the sprites colors were messed up. Yami 19:37, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Dodging Balls

I haven't seen ANYTHING on this page pointing out that Mewtwo would actually dodge Poké Balls in Red, Blue, and Yellow. I think it should be included, since it's the only catchable Pokémon that's ever done so. Diachronos 16:48, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

The only Pokemon that dodges Poke Balls is the ghost Marowak. Poke Balls thrown at Mewtwo can miss, yes, which is different from "break out without shaking"—but this is the case for any "special" Pokemon in RBY, including Snorlax. IIMarckus 22:08, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

A pokemon that has Dug, Flown, etc cant be caught, and I distinctly remember Zapdos pokeballs--DCM_{((Nag at Me!Edits))}

Not true. I found a wild Diglett using Dig. I caught it. ^ht14 22:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

In the original games?--DCM_{((Nag at Me!Edits))}

In the original games, and in fact all games, Dig and Fly make no difference in whether a monster can dodge the ball. It is based solely on whether the encounter is special (legends, Snorlax) or if the player is in the Safari Zone. IIMarckus 01:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

In the original games, there was a very slim chance of Pokémon dodging, see this article for details. It's limited to Safari Zone, Snorlax and Legendaries (which would include Mewtwo). ←{Berrymaster|Talk|Contrib}→ 22:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure it wasn't that slim. I remember (unless using Master Ball) having to put all legendaries to sleep before the ball would hit them. Snorlax too, but it wasn't exactly difficult to get Snorlax to sleep... Gastly's mama 21:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC) Gastly's Mama

Diet...

No one is really quite sure if Mewtwo even eats, so shouldn't something be done about the diet section? We've never really seen Mewtwo eat. Animine 01:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Pokémon food's the basic answer for it all. Plus, um, try feeding poffin or Pokéblocks to Mewtwo, it eats those in the games. TTEchidna 02:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Manga...

Spoiler warning: this article may contain major plot or ending details.

The Mewtwo in Special is actually quite a prominent character, having appeared in the series which starred Red as a main character. While it doesn't make much of an appearance in the RGB saga, it actually makes a difference in the Yellow saga, with Yellow imitating the Psywave attack to supposedly defeat Lance. Even after that, in the FRLG saga, Mewtwo actually becomes part of the crew, having defeated R once, rescued Green's parents, beating the shit out of Deoxys and being the main reason why Red, Blue, Green, Yellow and Silver were turned to stone. So why not have an extra page for it? Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links 09:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea go for it's recurring Pokémon.--☆Coolピカチュウ! 00:59, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Super Smash Bros Melee

Isn't "Mewtwo is considered to be the poorest character when played at the highest metagame. It is easy to knock off the stage due to its large body and light weight. In addition, Mewtwo is slow, does not have any fast defensive options and also has general problems with some of its other moves. This all leads to Mewtwo's position in the bottom tier." an opinion? I thought we are supposed to represent a neutral point of view? In my opinion Mewtwo actually isn't that bad. --Firestorm 03:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

What you're saying is a personal opinion. What you've quoted is actually considered to be true by a lot of people, plus it's almost all true anyway - Mewtwo is slower than Ganondorf, Has NO offensive moves (besides Shadow Ball, which takes forever to charge, and then loses it if you get hit in the middle of charging), and falls about as fast as Metal Mario. Personally, I remember him being a heavyweight, but...yea. He pretty much sucked all by himself Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic. 21:51, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Pretty much everything metagame is an opinion, so.... eh. If it was me, I'd delete it, though. — THE TROM — 08:12, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Everything that's been said is true, but Firestorm does have a point. The text seems opinionated. EcksAcksisAnimine 22:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Game Bio

So...how do we know that Cerulean Cave collapsed, and all that other stuff afterwards? - unsigned comment from Psigon (talk • contribs)

Because of the events that occurred in Gen II, three years after Gen I. And please, sign your comments on talk pages. It makes it easier for everyone :D — THE TROM — 06:49, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Similarity to Giegue/Giygas

Is it worth mentioning that Mewtwo has a similar appearance to Giygas [1] from the Mother series' form in the original Mother? Obviously the whole "resembles Freeza from Dragon Ball Z" thing is way too out of whack, but both Mewtwo and Giygas have various similarities, including the tails, the ears, the similar bad tempers, the white bodies and the fact that the team that worked on the Mother series also worked on the Pokémon series.--Jake 16:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Do we have any... real art of Giygas that actually shows him as a whole being? That's tiny art at best, and at that size, Gold looks like Red. TTEchidna 17:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Real art, no and I will admit that it having "similar ears" is a bit sketchy, but it's confirmed to have a tail in the game via dialogue. The tail is fairly visible if you mainly look at the Mewtwo looking thing in the middle and not the orb/shield thing around it.--Jake 14:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

false info?

The article says mewtwo is the first pokemon to use a genII move, but i think that's false.

for one thing I'm pretty sure Mewtwo doesn't use that spherical attack until his battle with mew.

From how Mewtwo acts using psychic in Stadium, and given that psychic can be in a spherical form it might just be psychic he's using.

Donphan uses Rollout at the opening battle. Yami 19:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Well how are you so sure Donphan is using Rollout? We have just as much evidence that it uses Rollout as Mewtwo's using Shadow Ball: on the basis that it looks like that traditional attack. Also, SSBM Mewtwo, who is obviously based on the movie Mewtwo, has Shadow Ball as an attack. I will give you that Donphan most likely displayed the first Gen II move but Mewtwo most likely used Shadow Ball. --ケンジのガール 21:13, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Well it does get hard to tell when the creators can't keep a conform appearance to moves. Psychic has been used as balls of energy, common levelitation of the opponent then throwing the opponent. I think its even been used as a force field.

I'm pretty sure Donphan takes the goal for first II gen move used. If i remember the beginning of the movie right, mewtwo mostly just used shock wave like attacks and levitation. Yami 21:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Levitation. That's how Psychic is shown in the anime. Mewtwo definitely used Shadow Ball. But Donphan did technically use Rollout earlier in the movie. TTEchidna 21:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

In DP102 they had psychic used as balls in combination with something if i remember. Either way we should remove the Trivia right? Someone else will have to do it, i for some reason keep getting logged out and getting the view source screen. Yami 21:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

It was with Will-O-Wisp. And Psychic is used to move things, keep things from moving, and stuff like that. And don't take it out. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Its Obvious that Donphan used Rollout before Mewtwo got into it with mew. Donphan's article even mentions it used rollout in the movie Yami 21:42, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

And now you're jumping around.... but we need more than just your opinion on it before we do anything. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Its not my oppinion, even TTE said Donphan used Rollout earlier in the movie. A mod and a article both says that a move was used by donphan who does it before mewtwo so the Trivia is false. Yami 21:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Well then take it out. Don't just sit there talking about taking it out. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:52, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I did remove it, and as i said before Editing is difficult at the moment with the system going buggy with timeouts, session loss data and stuff. Yami 21:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Three 'segments'?

What are the segments that the Trivia talks about? -Smeargle 12:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Removed... R.A. Hunter Blade 13:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Ruby/Sapphire, FireRed/LeafGreen Sprites

The Ruby and Sapphire sprite for Mewtwo is the same as the FireRed and LeafGreen sprite, so is there a reason to why and it's Shiny counterpart do not have Sprites uploaded? If it's because they are the same, then why hasn't the Sprite Template for Mewtwo been edited so it just shows the same image for Ruby & Sapphire as for FireRed & LeafGreen? Just a thought... ASecondOpinion1501 15:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

If they are exactly the same then the page on the archives needs to be redirected to the RS sprite, rather than the same sprite being uploaded again. Werdnae (talk) 18:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for replying to me quickly. How does one redirect an Archive Page to another one because all it does is ask me to upload a fresh image? Apologies for the possible n00bish sound to this. Thanks - ASecondOpinion1501 19:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

All done :D thanks.--MisterE13 20:46, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Interwiki

I've just done the interwiki from Italian to English, why doesn't the software read the interwiki from Italian to English? The Italian version is: http://www.pcentral.eu/wiki/Mewtwo - unsigned comment from Abcd (talk • contribs)

Pcentral wiki is not a member of the Encyclopaediae Pokémonis. —darklordtrom 20:24, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

HGSS

The standard sprite: 150.png, is different from the sprite in the sprite box for HGSS. Which one is correct? CuboneKing 00:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

whats different, aside from the animation? -- MAGNEDETH 00:51, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

What animation? Just, which one is used in HGSS? CuboneKing 00:57, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

now youre genuinely confusing me. -- MAGNEDETH 00:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

The sprites are different for 150.png and the uploaded HGSS sprite. Which one is the real, used in HGSS, sprite? Or is it just my stupid Internet Explorer? CuboneKing 01:01, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

most likely your stupid IE, but in the same vein, they should still appear the same, im going to look into this. -- MAGNEDETH 01:02, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Looks like the animated version doesn't use the stationary sprite for the first frame, so it appears different. 梅子^❀_✿ 01:05, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Saybleye

Do you you think that this article should mention is the trivia that the fire+leaf mewtwo can't hurt saybleye? I know it is pretty irrelevent, but if I would have known that, then I would have another master ball. as a note, spirtitomb is also immune, but he is in gen. 4 - unsigned comment from The snargret guy (talk • contribs)

Eh. It might be. What are its moves when it's found? Psychic, Mist, Safeguard, and Recover? It's been so long since I caught one. R.A. Hunter Blade 13:42, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

swift, recover, phychic and something else, it's only damaging attacks are swift and psychic (The snargret guy 23:46, 25 January 2010 (UTC))

Add it if you want, then. You might need another opinion though, because I agree, it is minor. R.A. Hunter Blade 00:52, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't think it's something worth mentioning. The Pokémon are in mutually exclusive games. If you could get Sableye or Spiritomb in FRLG without trading then it would be borderline still, but it's a no. —darklordtrom 06:18, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

@ The snargret guy, it's moveset in FR/LG is Swift, Safeguard, Psychic and Recover. Ok? (HexagonBlastoise 14:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC))

Trivia

In Pokemon HG and SS Mewtwo's battle song is a remix of Pokemon Diamond and Pearl's wild battle song. -Pkmn master 11:35:39, 13 Febuary 2010

Uh.. no it's not. It's battle song is the same as any other Wild Pokémon in Kanto.--Purimpopoie 16:39, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Amber/Movie Content

I don't think the whole Amber/"Mewtwo Returns" stuff should be mentioned here. That part has nothing to do with the games and it was added to the story of the first movie much later. Maybe the whole movie content shouldn't be mentioned. I think that belongs to the page Mewtwo (anime) only. - unsigned comment from Aicona (talk • contribs)

A lot of what we get for the behavior sections comes straight from the anime or manga. Barely any of it is explained in the games for any Pokémon. The only reason Amber is mentioned for Mewtwo is because her loss is part of what psychologically changed his way of thinking. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:34, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Trivia Too Long

I think the trivia on Mewtwo's page is way too long, and could really use a trim-down. Especially things that are not unique to Mewtwo, like noting that it and Rayquaza are the only Pokémon with their base stat total not to have signature moves. I'd be willing to go in and clean this up, along with trivia sections on the rest of the species pages, if the admins would like me to. --PhantomJunkie 07:11, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Nocturnal?

At the end of Mewtwo Returns, it was stated that Mewtwo had chosen to roam freely at night. Being the only one, this would make its species nocturnal. Should this be added to the behavior section? --EpicShadow 03:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Could be he just wanted to remain inconspicuous. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ 03:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Ihave no doubt that was the reason. But even with a reason it still makes him nocturnal. Most nocturnal creatures are nocturnal because they don't want to be found by things that can harm them just like humans could harm Mewtwo.--EpicShadow 04:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Even still. That's the anime Mewtwo. Not all Mewtwo in general. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ 04:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

The games Pokédex entries refers to Mewtwo as "it", meaning only one just like the anime and manga. The fact that you can cpture more than one is a paradox that is traditionaly ignored.--EpicShadow 04:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Well the anime and the games are different. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ 04:24, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Like I said the Mewtwo in the games are a PARADOX, meening they technicaly should not be there. I would also like to point out that the article refers to Mewtwo as it as well.--EpicShadow 04:36, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the article refers to Mewtwo as it. That's because in all canons there is only one of them. It doesn't mean that it is the same one in all the canons. What applies to anime Mewtwo does not necessarliy apply to Adventures manga Mewtwo or game Mewtwo. Unless Mewtwo was developed by Fuji alongside a child, in solitary confinement by Blaine and born by Mew all at the same time. Werdnae (talk) 04:43, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Even so, I think it is still notable. Could we still put it in if we clearly stated that it was an instance in the anime only? All we would have to do is stick "In the anime" at the begining.--EpicShadow 15:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Name Origin

How could have Mewtwo's name come from Mew when Mew was added in at the last moment of Red and Green's development? metalmallow 09:49, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

The Pokémon design process is complex and it's entirely possible that Mew or Mewtwo could have come first and one's name could or could not be derived from the other —Mada-sama (Talk to me!)— 10:36, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Mewtwo Rumor

I've heard of a rumor before that if you try to *ahem* "catch" Mewtwo in a regular Pokeball, all of the Pokeballs in your bag will break. Anyone else on the subject?
Pgj1997

It's a lie. There are users here who have sucessfully caught Mewtwo in a regular Poké Ball. Also, please don't put a linebreak before your signature. A space is fine. Thanks. Werdnae (talk) 08:10, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect Trivia

Mewtwo has not got the highest base stat total of all psychic-type pokemon as arceus with a plate has 720. - unsigned comment from Mattrules161 (talk • contribs)

I think the trivia entry was supposed to mean he has the highest base stat total of all natural psychic-type pokémon. Arceus doesn't quite count since it needs a psychic plate to even become psychic type, and is by default a normal type. Weedle Mchairybug 14:45, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Niue Coin

About the trivia for the Niue coin, I found this one, a ten-dollar coin: www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/WorldCoinPrices.aspx?category=105024&worldcoinid=272241 But searching on this same site, other Niue coins featuring Mewtwo, with different values (1 dollar and 50 dollars, I think) appear too. Also, other Pokémon were featured according to this site and to a quick search on eBay: http://search.reviews.ebay.com/?satitle=pokemon&ucat=6213&uqt=r These pokémon also have different types of coins each. How should this be portraited in the trivia? KurowaSan 19:10, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Question about Origin

I noticed this in the "Origin" section: "Mewtwo looks strikingly similar to Giygas's Mother (video game) appearance, because some of the people who had previously worked on the Mother series also worked on the Pokémon series." I was wondering if this was okay. I thought type of thing was considered speculation? I was going to remove it, but I remember seeing some discussions about it in the past and thought I would ask first. Thanks! Crystal Talian 07:22, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I see the conversation on this subject earlier on the page now. How did I miss that? "Giygas" is in the header . . . Anyway, it doesn't seem to have been resolved. So . . . anyone? Crystal Talian 15:11, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't see the resemblance myself, and, like someone said up there, at that size it's hard to make anything out. I don't know if it's notable or speculation or whatever, but at the very least I'll reword it so it's not so definite. --Darth Zekrom 16:10, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Myuutu?

I think the kana reads Myuutu. JacobTheDoduo 23:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

It's Myūtsū technically but Mewtwo is the trademarked romaji. --ケンジのガール 23:23, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Blaine?

"where the scientists, including Blaine and Dr. Fuji, performed horrific gene-splicing experiments"

Where in the games is any of that stated? I never played FireRed or LeafGreen so if it's in one of those then nevermind, but in Red / Blue / Yellow the only mention of Dr. Fuji in regard to the lab is that he's the lab's founder and there is absolutely no mention of Blaine in regard to the lab or Mewtwo. It seems to me that someone is mixing facts from the anime (Dr. Fuji) and facts from the manga (Blaine) with information from the games. Dannyjenn 00:31, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

16th Movie

Serebii says that Mewtwo was featured in the 16th Pokémon Movie Genesect was in. - unsigned comment from TheShinyMew (talk • contribs)

We need further evidence than that before anything can be added here. Serebii is a fansite as well, and is not a valid source for adding information here. Crystal Talian 21:33, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Just to add to this, Serebii and other fansites are reporting it based on leaks from CoroCoro magazine. If the leak is accurate, we'll add the info when the CoroCoro issue is officially released (or if another reliable source reports it sooner than CoroCoro). Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 01:18, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

We've had our own article concerning this for about 11 hours. R.A. Hunter Blade 01:32, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

No any speculation crackdown now, could be unprotected. Yuyama said that not the same one with the anime one already. KyleRGiggs 20:00, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Forgotten Moves

I'm sure I'm not the first person to notice that even though Mewtwo's movesets from Generation I show that it starts off with Confusion and Disable, it is impossible to legally own one knowing those moves. They get replaced by two of the four it would have learned by level 70, the lowest possible level it can be obtained in. I just think it's worth making a note of that somewhere, since relearning moves wasn't possible before Pokémon Stadium 2. X-master (talk) 01:40, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

New Forme

Should we add what we know so far of this new Mewtwo form? (O++O) Dralcax (talk) 23:41, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

No, nothing says it's a form. It may be an evolution, a baby form, an entirely separate Pokemon. We don't know. Drake Clawfang (talk) 23:42, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

It says a new Pokémon on Pokemon.com/pokemonxy, so I think it's pretty safe to say that it's not a new form. -EVsandIVsaurs 00:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually, it's not- new forms have been hyped as "new Pokemon" before. Yamiidenryuu (talk) 00:29, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Well should we say that the new form has a similar appearance to Mewtwo in the trivia secion? Nuckles123 (talk)1:12, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

As of now, we know absolutely nothing about it, not even if its Mewtwo. Ataro (talk) 01:22, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, it is everything but confirmed that it's Mewtwo, otherwise it wouldn't have been replaced on that leaked poster several days ago, since Mewtwo is one of the stars of the movie and is on the posters recently. But 100% confirmation wouldn't hurt. Playerking95 (talk) 08:23, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Admins, at least add in the Trivia Section about the new pokémon that resembles MewtwoGelato Gelato (talk) 08:26, 7 April 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

How exactly? "The new Pokémon that resembles Mewtwo resembles Mewtwo"? We don't know its name. We know nothing about it. We shouldn't add it in as a result of that. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 08:50, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

As for now, best to leave it as it is. Not even been a full day and way too many people off site are speculating it is a forme of Mewtwo despite the official site saying it is only similar to Mewtwo. I'll laugh quite hard if it turns out to be like what happened when Shellos was newly introduced (people also speculated it to be related to Lapras). :P Frozen Fennec 15:47, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree, leave it how it is, the Pokemon site only says it shares similarities to Mewtwo, and thats it! I know alot of people assume and speculate that it's either a new forme of Mewtwo or an evolution of Mew and/or Mewtwo, but theres those keywords "assume" & "speculate", and if I am correct, there is no assuming or speculating allowed on actual pages. Only the facts can be added! So until we know more, there is no reason or point to add it to Mewtwo's page! PokeNerd 15:51, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Quite the contrary, since Pokemon.com explicitly points out a connection, I think it's relevant to mention here eventually - just probably not until we have enough info for it to have its own page that we can link to. Until then, I'd lean toward either no mention or just including the Bulbanews news box for the announcement. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:54, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Well then maybe we should put up a notice at the top of the page to not edit the mewtwo page until we have more information. I don't want to get into another edit wars like what we had with ash's charizard a while back. Nuckles123 (talk) 00:01, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually, the page is already protected, so that's not really necessary. -EVsandIVsaurs 00:18, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

This New whatever it is, is spreading like wild fire with rumors. We shouldn't jump the gun on this; We should wait for the new trailer on the 18th or when better, more reliable info comes in. For now we have to be patient and professional with this new development. We owe it to the integrity of Mewtwo and all Pokémon to not just add something every time a new rumor surfaces, or we think a leek is real. Admittedly part of me would love to make a Trivia about this form coining (or retooled) the phrase Mewtation, but its not notable enough (yet if ever) to be added. I instead am using that energy to wait patiently for the trailer promised to premier on the 18th, as well as any other info, especially concerning Sylveon's type.

Now, this is what I observed in the current trailer; Mewtwo begins to glow just after saving the gang, and the camera cuts away. Now weather he transforms to this new form or evolves, thats anyone's guess. Mewtwo glowing and then Mutating into a new form or Evolving is likely possible, after all we're dealing with a man made Pokémon with the species name the Genetic Pokémon. Mutations are a normal occurrence in genetics, and the upcoming generation already foreshadows a genetic aspect. However anything past that would be irresponsible speculation.

Don't worry everypony, soon the hype of this thing will die down and we'll get some if not all the fact straight. Until then, lets just focus on improving the article and the rest of Bulbapedia and remember the word Mewtation just in case it becomes official like Eeveelution before it did. Yamitora1 (talk) 01:05, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I love that "mewtation" saying, very catchy! But to reply to the user above, I have a very strong feeling the hype of this new Pokemon will not die down! But I agree, leave this page as it is, nothing to add to it, so for now, the Mewtwo page is perfect the way it is at this moment! :) PokeNerd 11:12, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Wow, can't even discuss Pokémon articles without getting MLP shoved down one's throat. Would it not at least be accurate and current to update the page with something vague like "on [date], a new Pokémon related in some way to Mewtwo was revealed by Pokémon Smash" or something? Just to keep Bulbapedia up to date without affirming rumours. Me, Hurray! (talk) 22:08, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

That still kind of pushes it, its best we just wait until more info comes up. Otherwise just posting even that much could cause people to get confused. Not sure if you are old enough to remember the whole Pikablue thing with Marill. Yamitora1 (talk) 22:55, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Heads up, April's CoroCoro confirms it's a new Forme of Mewtwo explicitly, just without giving it a name. --The Great Butler (talk) 06:30, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Can we at least code it to change art with it's unidentified forme name? --Dragon146 (talk) 14:26, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Or should it at least be changed from saying "It is not known to evolve to or from another Pokemon" to "While it is not known to evolve to or from another Pokemon, it has a second form." since it's confirmed? Or should it wait until we know how Mewtwo changes forms? Bolter1 (talk) 02:15, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Pokémon with forms get a box like Shaymin's --IWannaBeTheVeryBest 13:19, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Pokemon with forms also get a mention of said form at the beginning of the article. Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 21:22, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I quickly looked at Shaymin's and Arceus's descriptions, and each say "While it is not known to evolve into or from any other Pokémon," followed by an explanation of how it achieves its other form/s. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest 04:18, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Speaking of the new forme thing, should we add that Mewtwo is the first Pokemon to receive a new forme outside of its debut generation, much like when it received Psystrike as a signature move? I think that would be interesting to point out, if it's true.He's here! The one and only...Uncle Edit! (talk) 21:40, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

It's the first new Forme where this is the case, but Unown and Pichu got new forms outside their generation. It's likely also going to be the first time a Pokémon receives a new form or Forme outside its generation that it can transform into, from the looks of all the promotional material. - Blazios _talk 22:17, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I has been reading, like in Serebii, that the new forme is called the Eclair forme. Also, it HAS been confirmed by CoroCoro. Garyoak (talk) 13:15, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Apparently from what I found on a GameFAQ forum thread, Eclair is likely referencing to the French word éclair meaning lightning, flash etc. rather than the pastry. The Mods will get around to editing the article as needed, i think they are just waiting to get all their Psyducks in order before then. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/éclair Yamitora1 (talk) 22:49, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

People, we already know that it's been confirmed. The name, however, has not. Ataro (talk) 00:08, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

CoroCoro recently announce it's forme as its Awakened forme. we should code it to change artwork and screenshots of their formes--Dragon146 (talk) 15:20, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

If that were to be the case, it would've been already changed. CoroCoro did not reveal a name, only that it's a form of Mewtwo. "Awakened Forme" is just an assumption based on the title of M16. ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 15:26, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

There should at least be some mention of it in the article, though, no? Luigi-San 01:14, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I have to agree with Luigi-San. Since it has been confirmed to be a new form for Mewtwo and the trailer for M16 explicitly shows Mewtwo going into its new form, shouldn't it at least be mentioned in the article? Something along the lines of "While it is not known to evolve into or from any other pokemon, Mewtwo has been confirmed to have a new form which will debut in M16, although information regarding this new form is currently scarce." --AlexM123 (talk) 01:37, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

It can not be edited currently, but this is what I think: "On April 7, 2013, Mewtwo's new form announced in Smash (although the news is a few days ahead of sneaking). However, it is as a new Pokémon announced until April 15, it was formally announced to Mewtwo's new form. The specific circumstances is still do not know, only know the form will debut in M16, as the appearance of Mewtwo's awakening. And it will debut in Pokémon X & Y."(E9310103838 (talk) 12:51, 28 April 2013 (UTC))

...I think we'll have someone who's proficient in English write the section. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest 20:47, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Different Mewtwo

Given that both the manga and the trailer have strongly indicated that the Mewtwo that is going to appear in M16 is different from the one that Ash previously encountered, shouldn't this be reflected in the anime section (as it currently states that they're the same)? Watchermark (talk) 00:10, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I think they are the same Mewtwo just change CV. All still have to wait for the actual announcement of the movie or they direct point out it.(E9310103838 (talk) 01:22, 18 April 2013 (UTC))

There is no conclusive evidence that it is a different Mewtwo. --The Great Butler (talk) 02:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

In fact there is conclusive evidence that it IS the same Mewtwo. Director Kunihiko Yuyama's statement on the official website for the film explains that Mewtwo has changed after traveling the world following the events of Mewtwo Returns. Catty1 (talk) 03:35, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Look we are not going to change the pages just because of something someone says. We are going to wait until we have ACTUAL conclusive evidence. Nuckles123 (talk) 14:44, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, I had a different news. Director Kunihiko Yuyama's statement on the official website stated that both Mewtwo are different. In this case, stop discussing that until we got message. Thanks. Also, anyone could make the X Forme and Y Forme for Mewtwo for prepare in Generation VI, please? KyleRGiggs 07:46, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hold on a minute, what's this about X and Y forms? All we know about for sure is normal and this Eclaire/Awakened one. Where was it ever stated that there are two new ones? Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 20:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

What? X and Y Formes? There is no such thing. All we know is that Mewtwo has a new Forme. The name of the new one and its original one are unknown now. If you're talking about that picture that's been circling the internet, it's fake. Ataro (talk) 20:56, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm responding to this KyleRGiggs guy: "anyone could make the X Forme and Y Forme for Mewtwo for prepare in Generation VI, please?" Where the hell di this one come from? Schiffy (Speak to me|What I've done) 21:40, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Scuse me Nuckles but what on Earth did you just contribute? Because it sounds like nothing. Was it nothing? It was nothing wasn't it? The Mewtwo in the trailer has a completely different voice. In fact, it's now got a feminine voice. That's a pretty big "hint" (by which I mean "huge flipping sign with flashing lights and sparklers") that it's a different Mewtwo. How about instead of saying it is a different Mewtwo, we just don't mention it at all? No mention of the new movie, at all, until it's actually been released. Doesn't that make the most sense? Especially now we have two conflicting bits of evidence (one person says the director confirms they're the same, another says the director confirms they're different). I mean, nobody's willing to say "oh and hey Mewtwo has a new form now" on its page. So why are we mentioning the movie at all when we don't 100% know for absolutely sure that it's the same Mewtwo. Me, Hurray! (talk) 01:23, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

You can't use Mewtwo's new voice as evidence. It's been more than ten years since Mewtwo has spoken in the anime. They probably have hired new voice actors. If having a different voice means that it is a different person, then by that logic Ash is a different person too after new voice actors were hired. Also, you are basing your evidence from the Japanese movie trailer, not the English one (which hasn't been released as of this comment). The English version could have either a feminine voice or a masculine voice, but we just don't know at this point. Nuckles123 (talk) 03:33, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Why do we have to wait for the English version to determine if it is a different Mewtwo? We will determine if it is a different Mewtwo or the same when the movie airs in Japan.--ForceFire 03:38, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree. I am just saying you can't use a new voice in a different language for a character that has been absent from the series for ten years as evidence that this is a different Mewtwo. Nuckles123 (talk) 03:45, 30 April 2013 (UTC)