Talk:Core series: Difference between revisions

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Just wondering?

In the Japanese version's of any main series game, does the word "version" exist or is that just international usage. Because on the box arts it just say for example Pearl or Ruby.--Pokéboy93 02:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Trivia

Each generation's third version does not use its mascots official Ken Sugimori artwork. Blastoise (Japanese), Pikachu (Japanese and English), Suicune, Rayquaza, and Giratina use specially made artwork.

The original Red, Green, and Blue, and the English Gold and Silver don't seem to use the official artwork either. Am I wrong? Or did he publish more than one official work of these back then? - MK (^t/_c) 07:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Colors

I don't know where else to put this, so since I noticed it here first, I'll put it here. I'm not very familiar with the way wikis work, but I've noticed in the source that each Version has its own "color". I'm not talking about the name of the game, I'm talking about the HTML color that it's assigned in the wiki. For example, Red Version's "color" ("red color") is #FF1111, and FireRed's "color" ("firered color") is #FFAAAA. Anyway, what I'd like to know is...where did those specific colors come from? How were those specific colors chosen? And why aren't White and Black Version's "colors" #000000 and #FFFFFF, respectively, instead of what they are currently (#444444 and #C3C3C3, respectively)? I can understand that lighter/darker colors were chosen for visibility purposes, but as the colors are right now, SoulSilver's color (#E1E1E1) is whiter than White's own color! It just doesn't look right, having White Versions be less white than SoulSilver Version... —Tyeforce 22:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Well... we also have "Black color dark/light" and "White color dark/light". You can't make white lighter, and you can't make black darker. Sooo. Also it's a really bad idea to have pure white text... when the default background is white. Another thing is, as you pointed out, Red isn't pure #ff0000. So why should BW be their 'pure' color? D:

... oh yeah and #000 is kinda the default text color, too... >_> ▫▪Ťïňắ ^♫♥ 22:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand that. But shouldn't we change either SoulSilver's color or White's color, because it doesn't look right with SoulSilver's color being whiter than White's... Also, is there a page that lists all the colors, along with their light and dark versions? I'd like to make a list of them all, but digging through the source code isn't exactly the most convenient method, lol. (I'm using the colors for something I'm doing.) —Tyeforce 23:18, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I apologise for the format; I took these out of an Excel file I have. Some of the light colors are now outdated (as in, we changed them on the pedia and I didn't change them on my sheet) and I only have up until Platinum.

Click show to view

Regular
Bug A8B820
Dark 705848
Dragon 7038F8
Electric F8D030
Fighting C03028
Fire F08030
Flying A890F0
Ghost 705898
Grass 78C850
Ground E0C068
Ice 98D8D8
Normal A8A878
Poison A040A0
Psychic F85888
Rock B8A038
Steel B8B8D0
Water 6890F0
??? 68A090
Blue 1111FF
Colo B6CAE4
Crystal 4FD9FF
Diamond AAAAFF
Emerald 00A000
FireRed FF7327
Gold DAA520
Green 11BB11
L.Green 00DD00
Pearl FFAAAA
Platinum 999999
Red FF1111
Ruby A00000
Sapphire 0000A0
Silver C0C0C0
XD 604E82
Yellow FFD733
Beauty 6890F0
Cute F85888
Cool F08030
Smart 78C850
Tough F8D030
Light
Bug CEDE48
Dark A2958D
Dragon 9F77FF
Electric FCEEB6
Fighting E5524A
Fire F9D2B6
Flying CEBFFB
Ghost A18DC4
Grass ACEA8C
Ground F8DD92
Ice BDF3F3
Normal E0E0CF
Poison D878D8
Psychic F99CB8
Rock E6DDB9
Steel E6E6EE
Water 9BB8FE
??? CADDD8
Blue 7777FF
Colo DDE6F1
Crystal B2EEFF
Diamond CCCCFF
Emerald 2ED42E
FireRed FF9359
Gold FFCB49
Green 28E228
L.Green 32FA32
Pearl FFCCCC
Platinum BBBBBB
Red FF7777
Ruby D42E2E
Sapphire 2E2ED4
Silver E3E3E3
XD 8674A8
Yellow FEEF46
Beauty 9DB7F5
Cute FA92B2
Cool F5AC78
Smart A7DB8D
Tough FAE078

Hope that helps. —darklordtrom 23:27, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I'm just curious... How were the colors for Colosseum and XD chosen? Also, what's the verdict on the SoulSilver/White color issue? —Tyeforce 23:40, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Generation V: Inverted Pairings

Generation V is the first time that the pairings between version color and version mascot are inverted. (I.E. Reshiram, the White Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon Black while Zekrom, the Black Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon White.) --Arima 03:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Font Colors

I haven't figured out how to but can someone change the font color for Red, Blue, Ruby and Sapphire in the box? They are either incredibly hard to see or you can't see them at all. --Hoenn Master 19:36, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

SoulSilver and White

It doesn't look like this was ever concluded, but I agree that having SoulSilver a lighter color than White is odd. Ikarishipper900 15:07, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Version Concepts

This seems like as good a place as any to ask. Anyway, I was wondering if there's a spot on the Wiki that talks about the 'theme' of a generation. The Generation V page has a section on how Black and White is an exploration of polarity. Here's the relevant section from the March Nintendo Power: "We choose the titles to express the themes of each game. Like, diamonds are the hardest substance in the world, so that fit the theme of "ultimateness" in Pokemon Diamond and Pearl. This time we're pursuing a theme of "polarity," things that are defined by their opposition to each other. Take, for example, angles and demons, or light and shadow-if one didn't exist, the other would lose all meaning. "White" is a blank slate with potential to become anything, while "black" is complete and unchanging. So our intention actually wasn't to return to the basics, but to evoke that particular theme." What I'm wondering is, is there a place for this sort of thing on the main version pages. A line that says "Diamond and Pearl are named for being 'Ultimate', like how BW is named for 'Polarity'. Could this be included anywhere?--Purimpopoie 00:43, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I think that kind of thing would go best in the "Discussion of Generation X" section of each generation page. However, the version naming origin should also be on the pages of the game versions themselves, maybe in the trivia sections of those pages. --SnorlaxMonster 13:46, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Move

Is the discussion to move this page still ongoing or is it no longer being considered? - poikins 07:45, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

I dont think it ever got past suggestion. I'm all for it (since I was the one that suggested it). --SnorlaxMonster 11:14, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

I think it should move as well. - poikins 23:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

I also agree with the move. A proper disscussion should at least take place. --Pokemaster 97 23:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

I also agree that the page should be moved. ZMT123 21:47, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

I also think it should be moved. Version sounds like it should be about the differences between versions or what a version is, but Main series fits this article much better.--Darth Zekrom 22:07, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

So, are we moving this or what? ZMT123 04:55, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

The move will take a bit of editing in the article for it to make sense as titled "Main series", so if no one else wants to, I can start working on it. - poikins 19:02, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

A "version" is a game. It is a singular game entity. The "main series" is the entire series of games that headlines a generation, as well as their complimenting same-generation additions (ie: remakes). This article seems to walk the line between the two, as if it has an identity crisis at times. -- MAG NE DETH 04:35, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree, this article needs a rewrite. Something else I believe that should happen is the creation of a side series page, in line with the decision we made sometime last year IIRC, where side series is defined as Stadium, Colosseum, XD, Box, Ranch, and PBR, and is distinct from spin-off games as well as the main series. --SnorlaxMonster 12:51, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Abstain. If Colosseum and XD are considered "main series" (they do have full trading connectivity with RSE/FRLG, unlike side series games) then I agree that main series is a distinct concept from version. Even "version" itself has multiple meanings (e.g: FR/LG's v1.0 cart having a minor Pokedex bug), and that Pokemon X and Y are just "X" and "Y", not "X Version" and "Y Version". --Stratelier 19:01, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Yellow and Pikachu

There has been an edit war on the Japanese games section. I believe it should remain Pikachu, while others thing it should stay Yellow. Maybe we need an admin in on this to decide what to keep. Iml908 (talk) 00:53, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Title screens

Would it be a good idea to put all the title screens on this page? --Abcboy (talk) 01:55, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Here's my idea:

Main series title screens

Generation	Paired versions	Third (or more) version(s)
Generation I	Japan

	International

Generation II
Generation III
Generation III
Generation IV
Generation IV
Generation V
Generation V

I know, it's stupidly gigantic, the pictures are too big, bla bla bla... but still, give me your opinion! --Abcboy (talk) 13:55, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

It looks nice though there's just too much stuff going on in this table, most of the Japanese title screens are/will most likely be shown on the Generation pages. But I'm supporting this idea. Արիանո 14:14, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

How about this:

Main series title screens

Generation	Paired versions	Third (or more) version(s)
Generation I	Japan

	International

Generation II
Generation III
Generation III
Generation IV
Generation IV
Generation V
Generation V

I removed the Japanese ones, and to compensate, I made the English ones bigger. --Abcboy (talk) 14:25, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks better but the size is a problem. It could be hidden (or something similar to compensate) like the trainer list tables on trainer class pages so it wouldn't dominate the whole page. Արիանո 14:33, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

This is a cool idea. For the English B2W2 Title Screens, shouldn't it have the word Pokémon in it though? Not sure why they aren't in the above images. Torpoleon (talk) 14:41, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

I've made both tables expandable and added a new header so it looks okay. I'll fix the title screens in a minute. --Abcboy (talk) 14:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

I've fixed the images. To see the correct ones, you may need to clear both the server cache and your browser cache. --Abcboy (talk) 14:53, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

So, is this going to be added soon? It looks really nice. Torpoleon (talk) 13:14, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Now that all the title screens are uploaded, I really would like more opinions. --Abcboy (talk) 03:19, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Since XY just got announced and don't have boxarts yet, it made me realize something. If this idea did get accepted, what would we do for a new main series game, before its release? We don't have XY's title screens yet, so it would seem off for a while with this idea. Maybe we could just use each game's logos? It would certainly take up a lot less space. Torpoleon (talk) 21:51, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Move - part 2

With the new games "Pokémon X" and "Pokémon Y", it's undeniable that the term "Version" does not include every "main series" game anymore. |) u |( e ® 22:11, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Yep, it's undeniable that Pokémon X and Y Versions does not have the word "version" in it. --Abcboy (talk) 22:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

As for the template used in Bulbapedia, the lack of the word is really a problem (as was when the word 2 was added to the end of the article's name in B2W2), but this will be solved someday. As for now, this article needs to be moved. Iwata called these games (and referred solely to these games) as the "Pokémon Series", just like they call them "Pocket Monsters Series" in Japan. Therefore, this article should be moved to "Pokémon series". |) u |( e ® 22:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I personally think that "Pokémon series" would be ambiguous. --Abcboy (talk) 22:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

We're currently dealing with getting new information added to all the articles and keeping everything as organised as possible. We will deal with this after the staff has sat down and discussed it. Please be patient. Thanks. --Pokemaster 97 22:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Color trivia

Is it noteable to add that all the games released internationally with colors in their name (Red, Blue, Yellow, Black, and White) have the same names as primary colors (in other words, colors that cannot be made by a mixture of colors)? Iml908 (talk) 00:38, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Are we talking Scientifically or Art, because in Art Primary Colours=Red, Blue and Yellow, but in Science Primary Colours=Red, Blue and Green.TurtleLover1999 (talk) 20:23, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Art specifically. And yes, while Red, Blue, and Yellow are the main primary colors, they are defined as colors that cannot be mixed by any other color to get them. Black and White also fall under this definition. Iml908 (talk) 21:38, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I think that's so obvious that we don't need to note it. --SnorlaxMonster 05:42, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Pardon the question, but...

What's the point of showing a circle with the version's color at the side of each version's name in the table? It seems rather superfluous, especially considering that each cell already has a background color corresponding to the version's color. - Ericss (talk) 08:24, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Move discussion part III: Revenge of the Sith

So yeah. This article's title conflicts with our naming conventions in which the games are categorized into main series, side series, and spin-off games. Since it took my prodding last month to get Stadium/Colo/etc out of main series like people had been intending to do but never actually done, I'm gonna be bold and prod here to get this article moved to the title "Main series". Objections? Or if there are none, shall I move it myself (after giving this discussion an ample few days to get responses)? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 03:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

For that matter, we also need an article and template for side series, since those games had their categories updated to side series but stuffed into the spin-off games article/template because there wasn't already one for them. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 03:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Logos

Instead of having a colored circle and the game's name, wouldn't it be better to have their logos (or maybe title screens)? Seems a bit weird just having the colored dot and their name. I know we have just the logos for B2W2 & XY, but not sure on the others. What does everyone else think about this idea? Torpoleon (talk) 18:33, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

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+== Just wondering? ==
-==Routes==
+In the Japanese version's of any main series game, does the word "version" exist or is that just international usage. Because on the box arts it just say for example Pearl or Ruby.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 02:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
-I'm not so sure that a Gen V game ''has'' to start its Route numbering system from 301 just because Hoenn and Sinnoh use a similar method.  A Gen V or so game could actually link two previously known regions.  There are still Routes 47-100 and Routes 135-200 still unaccounted for.  ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="midnightblue" face="comic sans ms">'''$aturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">'''¥oshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="maroon">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 15:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
+== Trivia ==
-:Indeed. Not only is there no precedent or fundamental reason to believe it will be the case, the contrary is more likely to occur. Hoenn and Sinnoh are based on Kyushu and Hokkaido, respectively, which are the only islands in Japan - other than Honshu - arguably big enough to be adapted as regions. By this I am suggesting that Generation V is more likely to revisit Honshu, of which there are plenty of as-yet unexplored territories. If that were to happen, the numbering system would no doubt pick up from Route 47, regardless of whether Kanto or Johto were included in the game.
+* Each generation's third version does not use its mascots official Ken Sugimori artwork. Blastoise (Japanese), Pikachu (Japanese and English), Suicune, Rayquaza, and Giratina use specially made artwork.
-:Some might also argue that Shikoku, which is another Japanese island, is not too small to serve as the basis of a new region. Supposing that they had a point, the numbering system would still be likely to pick up either from Route 47 or Route 135, due to Shikoku's proximity to both Honshu (in particular the area encompassed in Johto) and Kyushu.
+The original Red, Green, and Blue, and the English Gold and Silver don't seem to use the official artwork either. Am I wrong? Or did he publish more than one official work of these back then? - [[User:DanPMK|MK]] (<sup>[[User Talk:DanPMK|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:contributions/DanPMK|c]]</sub>) 07:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
-:Those are really the only possibilities involving Japan, and the pattern does suggest that Generation V will be based there. It is important to remember that the transition to Hoenn and then to Sinnoh entailed exploring new territories far enough from previous regions. Now that both Hoenn and Sinnoh are familiar places, that can no longer be done within Japan. -[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 13:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
+== Colors ==
-::I think it's more to discourage people from being "LOL JOTOE IZ IN RUBBY N SAFIRE" and "LOL HOEN IZ IN DAIMIND N PERL". Though I do agree, they could go and hit whatever's north of Kanto and Johto next time around... the problem would be whether or not to link back to those two or not to. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
-:::They should just go ahead and create a 3-D console game like the Orre series and have all the known game regions present.  At least the main series regions.  ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="midnightblue" face="comic sans ms">'''$aturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">'''¥oshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="maroon">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 19:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
+I don't know where else to put this, so since I noticed it here first, I'll put it here. I'm not very familiar with the way wikis work, but I've noticed in the source that each Version has its own "color". I'm not talking about the name of the game, I'm talking about the HTML color that it's assigned in the wiki. For example,  Red Version's "color" ("red color") is #FF1111, and FireRed's "color" ("firered color") is #FFAAAA. Anyway, what I'd like to know is...where did those specific colors come from? How were those specific colors chosen? And why aren't White and Black Version's "colors" #000000 and #FFFFFF, respectively, instead of what they are currently (#444444 and #C3C3C3, respectively)? I can understand that lighter/darker colors were chosen for visibility purposes, but as the colors are right now, SoulSilver's color (#E1E1E1) is whiter than White's own color! It just doesn't look right, having ''White'' Versions be less white than SoulSilver Version... —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 22:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
+:Well... we also have "Black color dark/light" and "White color dark/light". You can't make white lighter, and you can't make black darker. Sooo. Also it's a really bad idea to have pure white text... when the default background is white. Another thing is, as you pointed out, Red isn't pure #ff0000. So why should BW be their 'pure' color? D:
+:... oh yeah and #000 is kinda the default text color, too... >_> ▫▪''[[User:Tina|<span style="color:#d93f91;">Ťïňắ</span>]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Tina|<span style="color:#ae41d9;">♫</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|<span style="color:#d941cf;">♥</span>]]</sup> 22:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
+::Yeah, I understand that. But shouldn't we change either SoulSilver's color or White's color, because it doesn't look right with SoulSilver's color being whiter than White's... Also, is there a page that lists all the colors, along with their light and dark versions? I'd like to make a list of them all, but digging through the source code isn't exactly the most convenient method, lol. (I'm using the colors for something I'm doing.) —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 23:18, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
+:::I apologise for the format; I took these out of an Excel file I have. Some of the light colors are now outdated (as in, we changed them on the pedia and I didn't change them on my sheet) and I only have up until Platinum.
+:::{| class=expandable
+|-
+| Click show to view
+|-
+| <ab>'''Regular'''
+Bug	A8B820
+Dark	705848
+Dragon	7038F8
+Electric	F8D030
+Fighting	C03028
+Fire	F08030
+Flying	A890F0
+Ghost	705898
+Grass	78C850
+Ground	E0C068
+Ice	98D8D8
+Normal	A8A878
+Poison	A040A0
+Psychic	F85888
+Rock	B8A038
+Steel	B8B8D0
+Water	6890F0
+???	68A090
+Blue	1111FF
+Colo	B6CAE4
+Crystal	4FD9FF
+Diamond	AAAAFF
+Emerald	00A000
+FireRed	FF7327
+Gold	DAA520
+Green	11BB11
+L.Green	00DD00
+Pearl	FFAAAA
+Platinum	999999
+Red	FF1111
+Ruby	A00000
+Sapphire	0000A0
+Silver	C0C0C0
+XD	604E82
+Yellow	FFD733
+Beauty	6890F0
+Cute	F85888
+Cool	F08030
+Smart	78C850
+Tough	F8D030
+'''Light'''
+Bug	CEDE48
+Dark	A2958D
+Dragon	9F77FF
+Electric	FCEEB6
+Fighting	E5524A
+Fire	F9D2B6
+Flying	CEBFFB
+Ghost	A18DC4
+Grass	ACEA8C
+Ground	F8DD92
+Ice	BDF3F3
+Normal	E0E0CF
+Poison	D878D8
+Psychic	F99CB8
+Rock	E6DDB9
+Steel	E6E6EE
+Water	9BB8FE
+???	CADDD8
+Blue	7777FF
+Colo	DDE6F1
+Crystal	B2EEFF
+Diamond	CCCCFF
+Emerald	2ED42E
+FireRed	FF9359
+Gold	FFCB49
+Green	28E228
+L.Green	32FA32
+Pearl	FFCCCC
+Platinum	BBBBBB
+Red	FF7777
+Ruby	D42E2E
+Sapphire	2E2ED4
+Silver	E3E3E3
+XD	8674A8
+Yellow	FEEF46
+Beauty	9DB7F5
+Cute	FA92B2
+Cool	F5AC78
+Smart	A7DB8D
+Tough	FAE078
+</ab>
+|}
+:::Hope that helps. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 23:27, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
+::::Thanks for that. I'm just curious... How were the colors for Colosseum and XD chosen? Also, what's the verdict on the SoulSilver/White color issue? —[[User:Tyeforce|Tyeforce]] 23:40, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
+== Generation V: Inverted Pairings ==
-==Pikachu==
+Generation V is the first time that the pairings between version color and version mascot are '''inverted'''. (I.E. Reshiram, the White Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon Black while Zekrom, the Black Dragon, is the version mascot of Pokémon White.) --[[User:Arima|Arima]] 03:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
-The article mentions Pikachu and Raichu being in Generation Five's regional dex, because it has been like that in all previous generations. What about the evolutionary lines of {{p|Geodude}}, {{p|Abra}}, {{p|Zubat}} (minus {{p|Crobat}}), {{p|Machop}}, {{p|Psyduck}}, and {{p|Goldeen}}? They've all been present in every game, so why not mention them too? --[[User:Goukazaru|Nostalgia]] 17:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
-:I think only Pikachu is mentioned because it's the "mascot" of the series.  It has more of a probability of being in the next game.  Then again, {{p|Magikarp}} and {{p|Tentacool}} are also mentioned...  ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="midnightblue" face="comic sans ms">'''$aturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">'''¥oshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="maroon">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 18:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
+== Font Colors ==
-::If the next Generation of Pokémon games didn't have the Pikachu family in them I don't think anyone would buy them!<small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] ([[User talk:Taromon777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taromon777|contribs]]){{ #if:  | &#32;{{{2}}} |}}''</small>
-:::of course they would buy them. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 18:29, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
-::::This is funny because now Pikachu isn't in the [[Udex]] and Black and White was the top selling game when it came out in Japan. So, does anyone know that ended up working? Doesn't the old Pokémon start appearing in the grass after you get the National Dex. (How is that even possible?) --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><font color="red">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><small><font color="yellow">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]]''' 21:32, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
-== Eeveelutions? ==
+I haven't figured out how to but can someone change the font color for Red, Blue, Ruby and Sapphire in the box? They are either incredibly hard to see or you can't see them at all. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 19:36, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
-Is it possible that 2 new eeveelutions will be introduced when you consider Gen II and IV both introduced 2 new eeveelutions each (Espeon & Umbreon and Leafeon and Glaceon)?[[User:BlueGasMask|BlueGasMask]] 01:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
+==SoulSilver and White==
-:what about Gen III? none. so, no. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAG</span>]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|<span style="color:#696969;">NE</span>]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">DETH</span>]]''' 01:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
+It doesn't look like this was ever concluded, but I agree that having SoulSilver a lighter color than White is odd. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 15:07, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
-::If we see new ones in Gen V, I'd bet on a couple more in Gen VI, but until we have a pattern we ought not. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
-:::If the Eeveelutions "pattern" continued in Gen V, then we would either see no new Eeveelutions (Gen II added 2, Gen III added none, Gen IV added 2) or only a Dragon-type Eeveelution (as all of Eevee's current evolved forms are types that were considered "Special" prior to Gen IV; technically, however, this would break the pattern, as only 1 new "Special"-type would be introduced, rather than the usual 2). Hopefully they will begin to create Eeveelutions based off of the types that were previously "Physical"; I'd really like to see a Steel, Fighting, or Ghost-type Eeveelution (Bug...not so much). [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
-::::If they do invent new Eeveelutions I dread to think how unimaginative their names will be! There will probably be a Dragon-type one called Drageon or something. <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] ([[User talk:Taromon777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taromon777|contribs]]){{ #if:  | &#32;{{{2}}} |}}''</small>
-:::::How about Dracoleon? Draco IS greek for Dragon. -[[User:The REAL Dialga|The REAL Dialga]] 15:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
-== Quality of this article ==
+==Version Concepts==
+This seems like as good a place as any to ask. Anyway, I was wondering if there's a spot on the Wiki that talks about the 'theme' of a generation. The Generation V page has a section on how Black and White is an exploration of polarity. Here's the relevant section from the March Nintendo Power: "We choose the titles to express the themes of each game. Like, diamonds are the hardest substance in the world, so that fit the theme of "ultimateness" in Pokemon Diamond and Pearl. This time we're pursuing a theme of "polarity," things that are defined by their opposition to each other. Take, for example, angles and demons, or light and shadow-if one didn't exist, the other would lose all meaning. "White" is a blank slate with potential to become anything, while "black" is complete and unchanging. So our intention actually wasn't to return to the basics, but to evoke that particular theme." What I'm wondering is, is there a place for this sort of thing on the main version pages. A line that says "Diamond and Pearl are named for being 'Ultimate', like how BW is named for 'Polarity'. Could this be included anywhere?--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 00:43, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
+:I think that kind of thing would go best in the "Discussion of Generation X" section of each generation page. However, the version naming origin should also be on the pages of the game versions themselves, maybe in the trivia sections of those pages. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 13:46, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
-Isn't good. It isn't up to any standard of quality.  It reads more like an editorial or some other kind of opinion piece than an encyclopedic one.  Given that, what can we do to fix it?  I think we can only really say that nothing has been announced, yet. -- '''[[User:evkl|<span style="color:#000099">evkl</span>]]''' <sub>[[User_talk:evkl|<span style="color:#006699">(need to talk?)</span>]]</sub> 05:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
+== Move ==
-: Stale Comment reply!: Right now, all it is is a list of things we know will happen or we think will happen. We might add a couple of pictures, but I can see how it would be hard to incorporate them. But with the latest news, it looks like we're not seeing Gen V games until mid-late 2010 in Japan, and early-mid 2011 everywhere else. However, by August of this year, we'll most likely have at least the {{p|Munchlax}} of Gen V and we can pretty much copy this article over to a rough Gen V page. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 17:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
-::This article is basically a list of patterns through the game series and that's all it ever can be.  As I said below, actual Gen V information would go on the Gen V pages. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 19:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
-== Magnemite ==
+Is the discussion to move this page still ongoing or is it no longer being considered? - [[User:Poikins|<span style="color:#fc880d">'''poi'''</span>]][[User talk:Poikins|<span style="color:#ff3333">'''kins'''</span>]] 07:45, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
-If Magnemite's included, why not Rhyhorn?--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 17:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
+:I dont think it ever got past suggestion. I'm all for it (since I was the one that suggested it). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:14, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
+::I think it should move as well. - [[User:Poikins|<span style="color:#fc880d">'''poi'''</span>]][[User talk:Poikins|<span style="color:#ff3333">'''kins'''</span>]] 23:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
+:::I also agree with the move. A proper disscussion should at least take place. [[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]] 23:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
+::::I also agree that the page should be moved. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 21:47, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
+:::::I also think it should be moved. Version sounds like it should be about the differences between versions or what a version is, but Main series fits this article much better.<span style="font-family:Georgia">--[[User:Darth Zekrom|<span style="color:#000000">'''Darth'''</span>]] [[User talk:Darth Zekrom|<span style="color:#00BFFF">'''Zekrom'''</span>]]</span> 22:07, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
+::::::So, are we moving this or what? [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 04:55, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
+:::::::The move will take a bit of editing in the article for it to make sense as titled "Main series", so if no one else wants to, I can start working on it. - [[User:Poikins|<span style="color:#fc880d">'''poi'''</span>]][[User talk:Poikins|<span style="color:#ff3333">'''kins'''</span>]] 19:02, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
-==About Arceus==
+A "version" is a game. It is a singular game entity. The "main series" is the entire series of games that headlines a generation, as well as their complimenting same-generation additions (ie: remakes). This article seems to walk the line between the two, as if it has an identity crisis at times. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAG</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#696969;">NE</span>]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">DETH</span>]]''' 04:35, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
+:I agree, this article needs a rewrite. Something else I believe that should happen is the creation of a [[side series]] page, in line with the decision we made sometime last year IIRC, where side series is defined as Stadium, Colosseum, XD, Box, Ranch, and PBR, and is distinct from [[spin-off games]] as well as the main series. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:51, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
-"The legendary pokemon are more powerful in new generations. With Arceus as the god Pokemon of the universe, it would be hard to make a stronger one."
+Abstain.  If Colosseum and XD are considered "main series" (they do have full trading connectivity with RSE/FRLG, unlike side series games) then I agree that [[main series]] is a distinct concept from [[version]].  Even "version" itself has multiple meanings (e.g: FR/LG's v1.0 cart having a minor Pokedex bug), and that [[Pokemon X and Y]] are just "X" and "Y", not "X Version" and "Y Version".  --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 19:01, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
-I HATE this argument. Just because it is credited with creating everything does NOT make it omnipotent, or unsurpassable in any other way. Technically, it's only been known to do one thing, and that's creating other pokemon (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf) which in turn did all the work of creating the universe. And it's arguable that legendary pokemon are mor powerful in each generation (until Arceus, I don't think even the base stats of them were ever improved upon much-- are Groudon and Kyogre that much more powerful than Ho-oh and Lugia?). I'd say their powers and range of influence are just made "cooler", and I doubt Game Freak would be at a loss for that-- Many other fundamental aspects of the universe still have no legendary pokemon to call their own, like life and death. I'm not saying that this argument should be deleted from this page; after all, this is about the fandom, and many fans have the opinion "ARceuS Is gOD!!!1! ZOmG GameFreaKs caNT FoLlow Taht up!!!1!!!!!111!"
-I just think it should be rephrased, maybe as "Some people argue that because Arceus created the Pokemon world, Gamefreak would have difficulty making a more awesome pokemon next generation in order to maintain interest in the franchise." Something like that. Any thoughts?  --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 23:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
-:I agree, who said, in the current generation, there has to be stronger pokémon then the last.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#7F7E83">Midnight</span>]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#191970">''Blue''</span>]]''' 23:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
-::The whole article is fanspeculation. It is a valid argument, and I've rephrased the whole entire section to make it somewhat more encyclopedic. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 07:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
-:::Wow, that's much better. Even I couldn't have phrased it that well! Thanks! --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:13, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
-I dont think that arceus is directly referred to as a god but his ability to create the three dietic dragons and the three lake gaurdians make his ability '''DIVINE'''(like all other legendaries), so there's no point of dubbing him as a god. And that would be offensive to religions, so nintendo would've thought of that point before approving of arceus'release to the fourth generation.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 18:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
+== Yellow and Pikachu ==
-:It is not stated as such any more. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 19:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
-::I believe somewhere in Gen IV they mention people worshipping Dialga, Palkia, and Arceus as gods. It might be Cynthia's grannie I'm thinking of, but she says that Dialga and Palkia were "revered as dieties" or something like that. '''[[Team Rocket|<small><span style="color: #550000;">R.A.</span></small>]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Hunter</font></small>]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Blade</font></small>]]''' 23:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
+There has been an edit war on the Japanese games section. I believe it should remain Pikachu, while others thing it should stay Yellow. Maybe we need an admin in on this to decide what to keep. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 00:53, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
-that is exactly what i'm saying, 'revered as dieties' but not actual gods, but actually the sinnoh myth is based on shinto which might possibly have been confusing for the pokémon community.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 17:14, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
+== Title screens ==
-:But diety refers to gods, or somthing/someone on the level of a god. If you can find a meaning that's different, then please do. '''[[Team Rocket|<small><span style="color: #550000;">R.A.</span></small>]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Hunter</font></small>]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|<small><font color="#FF2400">Blade</font></small>]]''' 13:08, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
+Would it be a good idea to put all the title screens on this page? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 01:55, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
-::I'm no longer arguing that it isn't a "god" (as the word itself is quite vague. All I was saying is that the assumption that Game Freak won't be able to come up with something more powerful, as well as the assumption that they have to with each new generation, are both misconceptions. And again, as this is about the fandom's opinion, and many are of the belief that Nintendo has to do both of these things to make a new generation (and that they couldn't if they wanted to), I think the amended wording suits it fine. {{unsigned|AndyPKMN}}
+:Here's my idea:
-{| align="center" style="background: #FFCC66; border: 2px solid #FF3300; width: 100%; -moz-border-radius: 30px;"
+{| class="roundy expandable" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #a0a0c4; border: 3px solid #ccf;" width="60%"
+|-
+! colspan="5" style="background: #ddf; {{roundy|5px}};" | Main series title screens
+|-
+| style="background: transparent;" |
+|-
+! style="background: #ddf; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Generation
+! colspan="2" style="background: #ddf;" | Paired versions
+! colspan="2" style="background: #ddf; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Third (or more) version(s)
+|-
+! rowspan="4" style="background: #{{kanto color}};" | {{color2|{{kanto color dark}}|Generation I|Generation&nbsp;I}}
+! colspan="4" style="background: #{{kanto color light}}" | {{color|{{kanto color dark}}|Japan}}
+|-
+| style="background: #{{red color light}};" width="200px" | [[File:Japanese RedTitle.png|100px]]
+| style="background: #{{green color light}};" width="200px" | [[File:GreenTitle.png|100px]]
+| style="background: #{{blue color light}};" width="100px" | [[File:Japanese BlueTitle.png|100px]]
+| style="background: #{{yellow color light}};" width="100px" | [[File:Japanese YellowTitle.png|100px]]
+|-
+! colspan="4" style="background: #{{kanto color light}}" | {{color|{{kanto color dark}}|International}}
+|-
+| style="background: #{{red color light}};" | [[File:RedTitle.png|100px]]
+| style="background: #{{blue color light}};" | [[File:BlueTitle.png|100px]]
+| colspan="2" style="background: #{{yellow color light}};" | [[File:YellowTitle.png|100px]]
+|-
+! style="background: #{{johto color}}; padding:5px;" | {{color2|{{johto color dark}}|Generation II|Generation&nbsp;II}}
+| style="background: #{{gold color light}};" | [[File:Japanese GoldTitle.png|100px]][[File:GoldTitle.png|100px]]
+| style="background: #{{silver color light}};" | [[File:Japanese SilverTitle.png|100px]][[File:SilverTitle.png|100px]]
+| colspan="2" style="background: #{{crystal color light}};" | [[File:Japanese CrystalTitle.png|100px]][[File:CrystalTitle.png|100px]]
+|-
+! rowspan="2" style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; padding:5px;" | {{color2|{{hoenn color dark}}|Generation III|Generation&nbsp;III}}
+| style="background: #{{ruby color light}};" | [[File:Japanese RubyTitle.png|100px]][[File:RubyTitle.png|100px]]
+| style="background: #{{sapphire color light}};" | [[File:Japanese SapphireTitle.png|100px]][[File:SapphireTitle.png|100px]]
+| colspan="2" style="background: #{{emerald color light}};" | [[File:Japanese EmeraldTitle.png|100px]][[File:EmeraldTitle.png|100px]]
+|-
+| style="background: #{{firered color light}};" | [[File:Japanese FireRedTitle.png|100px]][[File:FireRedTitle.png|100px]]
+| style="background: #{{leafgreen color light}};" | [[File:Japanese LeafGreenTitle.png|100px]][[File:LeafGreenTitle.png|100px]]
+| colspan="2" style="background: transparent;" | &nbsp;
+|-
+! rowspan="2" style="background: #{{sinnoh color}}; padding:5px;" | {{color2|{{sinnoh color dark}}|Generation IV|Generation&nbsp;IV}}
+| style="background: #{{diamond color light}};" | [[File:Japanese DiamondTitle.png|100px]][[File:DiamondTitle.png|100px]]
+| style="background: #{{pearl color light}};" | [[File:Japanese PearlTitle.png|100px]][[File:PearlTitle.png|100px]]
+| colspan="2" style="background: #{{platinum color light}};" | [[File:Japanese PlatinumTitle.png|100px]][[File:PlatinumTitle.png|100px]]
+|-
+| style="background: #{{heartgold color light}};" | [[File:Japanese HeartGoldTitle.png|100px]][[File:HeartGoldTitle.png|100px]]
+| style="background: #{{soulsilver color light}};" | [[File:Japanese SoulSilverTitle.png|100px]][[File:SoulSilverTitle.png|100px]]
+| style="background: transparent;" | &nbsp;
+|-
+! rowspan="2" style="background: #{{unova color}}; {{roundybl|5px}} padding:5px;" | {{color2|{{unova color dark}}|Generation V|Generation&nbsp;V}}
+| style="background: #{{black color light}};" | [[File:Japanese BlackTitle.png|100px]][[File:BlackTitle.png|100px]]
+| style="background: #{{white color light}};" | [[File:Japanese WhiteTitle.png|100px]][[File:WhiteTitle.png|100px]]
+| style="background: transparent;" | &nbsp;
 |-
-| style="padding: 10px; -moz-border-radius: 70px;" | {{bp|talk page|Further discussion on this topic at Bulbawiki forums please}}. Comments below this line will be deleted. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 20:45, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
+| style="background: #{{black 2 color light}};" | [[File:Japanese Black2Title.png|100px]][[File:Black2Title.png|100px]]
+| style="background: #{{white 2 color light}};" | [[File:Japanese White2Title.png|100px]][[File:White2Title.png|100px]]
+| style="background: transparent;" | &nbsp;
 |}
+:I know, it's stupidly gigantic, the pictures are too big, bla bla bla... but still, give me your opinion! --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 13:55, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
-== page is messed up ==
+::It looks nice though there's just too much stuff going on in this table, most of the Japanese title screens are/will most likely be shown on the Generation pages. But I'm supporting this idea. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 14:14, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
+:::How about this:
-I suggest rearranging the page into several sections or put into a table--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:12, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
+{| class="roundy expandable" style="margin:auto; text-align:center; background: #a0a0c4; border: 3px solid #ccf;" width="60%"
+|-
-== um..... ==
+! colspan="5" style="background: #ddf; {{roundy|5px}};" | Main series title screens
+|-
-there could be a future Generation starting off at Route 49 getting rid of that LONG gap between [[Route 48]] and [[Route 101]]--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 17:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
+| style="background: transparent;" |
+|-
-if the gap between routes complete a full number sequence, that means that between johto and hoenn there are most probably two generations, between hoenn and sinnoh there are about four generations, of course if I take this ''if each region has about 27 playable routes'', of course its an assumption but good point to be mentioned if the numbering counts. yet there's the problem of the pokémon world's route numbering system which could exist as some kind of government policy, if it exists.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:43, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
+! style="background: #ddf; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Generation
+! colspan="2" style="background: #ddf;" | Paired versions
-:Not to mention that, if a new generation's [[country]] includes a route number starting right after the last route number of another country, that would heavily imply that said other country is accessible in the game.  For example, if [[Generation V]]'s country were to begin at Route 49, that would imply that at least [[Johto]] is accessible in the main games of that generation.  [[Hoenn]] began at 101, [[Sinnoh]] began at 201, and the [[Sevii Islands]] did not number their routes, all to avoid these implications.
+! colspan="2" style="background: #ddf; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Third (or more) version(s)
+|-
-:(For the record, yes, there is a precedent for [[Route 47]] going west from {{ci|Cianwood}} when [[Route 46]] is on the eastern side of the country.  The precedent is [[Kanto]]'s [[Route 24]], north of {{ci|Cerulean}} while [[Route 23]] is on the west side of the country.) {{unsigned|Shiningpikablu252}}
+! rowspan="4" style="background: #{{kanto color}};" | {{color2|{{kanto color dark}}|Generation I|Generation&nbsp;I}}
+! colspan="4" style="background: #{{kanto color light}}" | {{color|{{kanto color dark}}|Japan}}
-:um... what's a precedent?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 02:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
+|-
-::and I still say that they can fix that long @$$ gap between Johto and Hoenn's region number's without making Johto accessible. The excuse? A land Bridge between Johto and Hypothetical Generation V region that vanished over time.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 02:29, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
+| style="background: #{{red color light}};" width="160px" | [[File:Japanese RedTitle.png]]
-There could also be no more Pokémon games. The moral of the story is we base our information on the trends of recent games, not what a handful of fans think is possible. Because anything's possible. Even an elephant bird (ten points for getting the reference). &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 02:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
+| style="background: #{{green color light}};" width="160px" | [[File:GreenTitle.png]]
+| style="background: #{{blue color light}};" width="160px" | [[File:Japanese BlueTitle.png]]
-true. But there are some people (like me) that are insane about Pokémon. If the series is stopped we will band togéther to attack nintendo. There's still SO much Nintendo can put into Pokémon. And besides it makes them money. I don't think they'll end it yet.--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 02:49, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
+| style="background: #{{yellow color light}};" width="160px" | [[File:Japanese YellowTitle.png]]
+|-
-{| align="center" style="background: #FFCC66; border: 2px solid #FF3300; width: 100%; -moz-border-radius: 30px;"
+! colspan="4" style="background: #{{kanto color light}}" | {{color|{{kanto color dark}}|International}}
+|-
+| style="background: #{{red color light}};" | [[File:RedTitle.png]]
+| style="background: #{{blue color light}};" | [[File:BlueTitle.png]]
+| colspan="2" style="background: #{{yellow color light}};" | [[File:YellowTitle.png]]
+|-
+! style="background: #{{johto color}}; padding:5px;" | {{color2|{{johto color dark}}|Generation II|Generation&nbsp;II}}
+| style="background: #{{gold color light}};" | [[File:GoldTitle.png]]
+| style="background: #{{silver color light}};" | [[File:SilverTitle.png]]
+| colspan="2" style="background: #{{crystal color light}};" | [[File:CrystalTitle.png]]
+|-
+! rowspan="2" style="background: #{{hoenn color}}; padding:5px;" | {{color2|{{hoenn color dark}}|Generation III|Generation&nbsp;III}}
+| style="background: #{{ruby color light}};" | [[File:RubyTitle.png|160px]]
+| style="background: #{{sapphire color light}};" | [[File:SapphireTitle.png|160px]]
+| colspan="2" style="background: #{{emerald color light}};" | [[File:EmeraldTitle.png|160px]]
+|-
+| style="background: #{{firered color light}};" | [[File:FireRedTitle.png|160px]]
+| style="background: #{{leafgreen color light}};" | [[File:LeafGreenTitle.png|160px]]
+| colspan="2" style="background: transparent;" | &nbsp;
+|-
+! rowspan="2" style="background: #{{sinnoh color}}; padding:5px;" | {{color2|{{sinnoh color dark}}|Generation IV|Generation&nbsp;IV}}
+| style="background: #{{diamond color light}};" | [[File:DiamondTitle.png|160px]]
+| style="background: #{{pearl color light}};" | [[File:PearlTitle.png|160px]]
+| colspan="2" style="background: #{{platinum color light}};" | [[File:PlatinumTitle.png|160px]]
+|-
+| style="background: #{{heartgold color light}};" | [[File:HeartGoldTitle.png|160px]]
+| style="background: #{{soulsilver color light}};" | [[File:SoulSilverTitle.png|160px]]
+| style="background: transparent;" | &nbsp;
+|-
+! rowspan="2" style="background: #{{unova color}}; {{roundybl|5px}} padding:5px;" | {{color2|{{unova color dark}}|Generation V|Generation&nbsp;V}}
+| style="background: #{{black color light}};" | [[File:BlackTitle.png|160px]]
+| style="background: #{{white color light}};" | [[File:WhiteTitle.png|160px]]
+| style="background: transparent;" | &nbsp;
 |-
-| style="padding: 10px; -moz-border-radius: 70px;" | {{bp|talk page|Further discussion on this topic at Bulbawiki forums please}}. Comments below this line will be deleted. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 20:45, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
+| style="background: #{{black 2 color light}};" | [[File:Black2Title.png|160px]]
+| style="background: #{{white 2 color light}};" | [[File:White2Title.png|160px]]
+| style="background: transparent;" | &nbsp;
 |}
+I removed the Japanese ones, and to compensate, I made the English ones bigger. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 14:25, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
+:Looks better but the size is a problem. It could be hidden (or something similar to compensate) like the trainer list tables on trainer class pages so it wouldn't dominate the whole page. [[User: Ariano|Արիանո]] 14:33, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
+:This is a cool idea. For the English B2W2 Title Screens, shouldn't it have the word Pokémon in it though? Not sure why they aren't in the above images. [[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] ([[User talk:Torpoleon|talk]]) 14:41, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
+::I've made both tables expandable and added a new header so it looks okay. I'll fix the title screens in a minute. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 14:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
+:::I've fixed the images. To see the correct ones, you may need to clear both the server cache and your browser cache. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 14:53, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
+::::So, is this going to be added soon? It looks really nice. [[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] ([[User talk:Torpoleon|talk]]) 13:14, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
+:::::Now that all the title screens are uploaded, I really would like more opinions. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:19, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
+::::::Since XY just got announced and don't have boxarts yet, it made me realize something. If this idea did get accepted, what would we do for a new main series game, before its release? We don't have XY's title screens yet, so it would seem off for a while with this idea. Maybe we could just use each game's logos? It would certainly take up a lot less space. [[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] ([[User talk:Torpoleon|talk]]) 21:51, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
-== Rewrite ==
+== Move - part 2 ==
-I largely agree with trom's reasoning that we needed to rewrite this page, but am concerned that we are losing a lot of information by doing this transition so suddenly. I certainly feel that any of the "evidence" sections, we retain on other pages, and that it's easy to find on those pages. As for the format, I'd advocate a few more bulleted lists, as I think it is easier to pick out on the page than a whole load of prose to wade through. I know you had good intentions though trom :) [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 19:54, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
-:If you feel I removed anything of importance, then feel free to put it back in. I did think that some items listed were overtrivialised, so I took them out. As for the format, the sections with paragraphs is generally preferred for overall article quality. Thanks for your feedback. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 11:09, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
-::Okay so I agree that most articles should have sections and paragraphs, but I contest that this is a "normal" article. It reads more like a list, which has been converted to a formatted article (which incidentally is basically what has happened). Perhaps instead, some of this content should be migrated to a "List of patterns common to all Pokémon games" and then merely referenced from this article? [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 18:43, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
-:::This page was better before the rewrite. Put the evidence back in. [[User:Emyunoxious|Emyunoxious]] 01:38, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
-::::No, I disagree; it looks much cleaner and more professional now, while the old version was fairly jumbled. If you want to add old information, at least put it in a more organized manner than before. [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 05:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
-:::::I think the article looks better without all the bullet points.  It's a lot easier to read.  [[User:Taromon777|<span style="color:turquoise; font-family:Arial Black">'''''Taromon'''''</span>]] 11:33, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
-== Redundant ==
-Disclaimer: This article is purely fan speculation. There is NO evidence for or against it.
-Section:evidence for gen V.
-Section:evidence against gen V.
-lol
---[[User:Gen1king|<span style="color:gold">''GEN''</span>]]1[[User talk:Gen1king|<span style="color:gold">KING</span>]] 14:12, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
-:It said '''solid''' evidence. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:37, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
-==Could be a new handheld==
-I did not know where else to put this so... I was just reading NGamer(uk 46) and it has an artical on page 6 about what Nintendo president Satoru Iwata said in an interview with japanese newspaper Ashi Shimbun. They report that when asked about a future generation of handhelds he apparently said that that the new consol would have "highly detailed graphics, and it will be necessary to have a sensor with the ability to read the movements of people playing". With earlier reports of Nvidia working on a chipset for Nintendo, and Game Freak advertising a while back for a 3D artist (or something), I believe that the 5th gen of Pokémon is close and we may even see sneek previews of the next handheld by the end of the year, sounds to me as if they are working on it by now (could even be in testing as NGamer have a ''mock'' picture of what they believe is in the works). {{unsigned|011384mm}}
-:It's already announced. You might not know because it was revealed 1 or 2 days ago. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 16:01, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
-== A Little Spelling Error ==
-Since this page is protected, there's a really small spelling error. - "Just as Red and Blue were made in Generation III, and Gold and Sliver in Generation IV, it is most likely that Ruby and Sapphire will be remade in Generation V." It should be Silver not Sliver. [[User:Ugoz|Ugoz]] 22:53, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
-:Fixed, thanks for noticing. - [[User:Kogoro|<span style="color:#DA70D6;">'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>'''</span>]] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|<span style="color:#FFB6C1;">'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>'''</span>]] - 23:02, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
-::Another minor error that was over looked in what Ugoz pointed out, made should be changed to remade.[[User:NnN Neo|NnN Neo]] 03:45, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
-== Add info about Gen V ==
-Could someone delete the references of generation V. Or Atleast reword them. also, plz mention Gne. V in the begining paragraph. thankyou[[User:ShinyPikachu|<small>Shiny</small>]] [[User:ShinyPikachu|<span style="background:#FFFF00"><span style="color:#E57E4C;">'''Pika'''</span></span>]] 02:29, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
-:Also, can add a link to Gen 5 at the bottom of the page.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#003366">Midnight</span>]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|<span style="color:#8C92AC">''Blue''</span>]]''' 02:35, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
-::In progress. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#80964B">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C4E673">chidna</span>]]''' 03:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
-:::Also a reminder: in "Speculation against future generations", if it even remains relevant in the short term at all, everything involving the unlikelihood of the fifth gen in particular (or unlikelihood that it will be on the DS) should be removed. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 19:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
-::::...Hello? The page still talks about the possibility of an already-confirmed fifth gen not happening, even saying no new Pokemon have been revealed. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 02:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
-== Two Sets of Remakes in Generation V and Beyond? ==
-I Think that if they ARE Going to remake Ruby and Sapphire in Gen. V, then they would have to do remakes of FR/LG, because FR/LG have the exact same quality as Ruby/Sapphire. And then, they would probably have to remake DP in Generation VI, if there ever will be a Generation VI.Should there be a Generation VI
-in 2013 or whenever (2013 is my best guess, or 2014), then there would have to be more remakes of HGSs.Then, in an seemingly unlikely Generation VII, would come reremakes of FRLG and RS, and then the first remakes of the Generation V Games.I See all these, except the First remakes of RS, unlikely.[[User:Brock*PWN*|Brock*PWN*]] 17:58, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
-:Remember, talk pages are meant for discussing the article itself, not the subject. To post all your theories and random questions about the content of the games, visit the forums.&mdash;[[User:Lord mada|Mada-sama]] <small>([[User talk:Lord mada|Talk to me!]])</small>&mdash; 18:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
-::Remake will only happen if the generation timeline is the same. I and III take place during the same time, II and IV also take place during the same time. Someone should mention it at the remake part about the "same timeline". -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 15:07, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
-:::Oh, please.  Nowhere is it stated that Generation I and Generation III take place at the same time, nor is it stated anywhere that Generation II and Generation IV also take place at the same time.  The only thing we know about any Pokémon game timelines is that Generation II (and its remakes) take place three years after Generation I (and its remakes), while XD:  Gale of Darkness takes place five years after Colosseum.  Who's to say Generation III isn't a prequel to Generation I, or Generation IV isn't a sequel to Generation II?  Communication compatability means nothing--both Colosseum and XD:  Gale of Darkness trades with Generation III handheld games without any problems despite the fact that the Gamecube titles have a distinct timeline difference.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:34, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
-== [[Future generations of Pokémon#Speculation against future generations|Speculation against future generations]] ==
-Despite the name of this section, it's actually arguing that there won't be a [[Generation V]]. An argument which I don't think anyone can logically support given that we know Gen V is coming. In particular it says, "no new Pokémon have been revealed" which is just completely wrong at this point. [[User:Drapion|Drapion]] 05:47, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
-== Generation V Hate ==
-"While Generation V is known to be on its way, several vocal fans believe it will be inferior to Generation IV, which has, as of the present, lasted nearly as long as Generation III did."
-So, how does this fit in with the rest of the section? The rest of the section just says there won't be future generations. [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 18:32, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
-:Okay, it's been changed. I know people will always have generations that they hate, but I was saying it didn't fit in with the rest of the section. [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 23:31, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
-== No Old Pokemon In Generation 5!?!? ==
-Than that means a lot of this HAS to be wrong.. if there won't be any old pokemon, than that means Pikachu won't appear and.... ... ... ... ... OMG NO MORE GEODUDE!!! WOOT!!!! Anyway point is this needs to be pointed out in the article eventually!! Also, a question, has it been comfirmed that there won't be badges in the new generation? Or is this still a rumor? Anyway, I'd just like to point out that IF what Masuda said is TRUE than that means some of the "Fan Speculation" will NOT happen!! --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Broadway;background:black"><font color="red">Land</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family;"><small><font color="yellow">fish</font></small></span></span>]]'''<font color="blue"><sup>7</sup></font> 13:57, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
-:I thought it was just no old Pokémon until ''after'' acquiring the Nat'l Dex. Calm down, you'll be able to get Pikachu. <span style="border: 1px dotted #D04634;">[[User:Jazzmoth|<span style="color:#0F5437">ʝɑzz</span><span style="color:#3E0F54">motɦ</span>]] [[User talk:Jazzmoth|<span style="color:#004AC8;"><sub>❝❞</sub>]][[Special:Contributions/Jazzmoth|✎</span>]]</span> 16:16, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
-::I guess we will have to wait until the game is released to figure out exactly how they are going to do this.. something makes me doubt that they will all of a sudden have past Pokemon in the wild after you recieve the national dex.. I thought it would be more like Generations 1 through 4 Pokemon couldn't be traded into the game until the National Pokedex was unlocked and you can only find Generation 5 Pokemon in the wild NO MATTER WHAT!! BTW, I don't care if Pikachu ends up in the game or not.. it's a useless electric rodent.. so.. should we at least point this fact out on the Black and White page? --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Broadway;background:black"><font color="red">Land</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family;"><small><font color="yellow">fish</font></small></span></span>]]'''<font color="blue"><sup>7</sup></font> 20:07, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
-:::Well, until we find out for sure either way, it's speculation. Let's not add it until it's confirmed exactly how this will work. <span style="border: 1px dotted #D04634;">[[User:Jazzmoth|<span style="color:#0F5437">ʝɑzz</span><span style="color:#3E0F54">motɦ</span>]] [[User talk:Jazzmoth|<span style="color:#004AC8;"><sub>❝❞</sub>]][[Special:Contributions/Jazzmoth|✎</span>]]</span> 23:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
-== Pokémon debuting before their Generation ==
-Zoroark debuted before Gen V in the Anime, if the movies count.. Which is likely as Manaphy and Lucario are mentioned. --[[User:JasonTongRulz|♪ Jason Tong ♪]] 08:40, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
-== Japan? ==
-It states that all regions have been based on places in Japan.. but Isshu is based off of New York. --[[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><font color="red">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:black"><small><font color="yellow">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]]''' 01:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
-== Myth busted ==
-Since NOBODY went above a base stat total of 680 in the 5th Gen, and since Arceus is still the only one to go higher than that, using Arceus as evidence against future generations is now false. If Arceus were still credible evidence to use Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, AND Genesect would have a base stat total of 720 or higher, so that disproves the superseding part of each generation. Even in terms of backstory they did absolutely nothing to Arceus's title, as they technically didn't create [i]anything[/i]. Reshiram and Zekrom simply have either Good or Evil personalities respectively that got into arguements with eachother to repeat Groudon and Kyogre except nothing real "special", Kyurem is a derp until we get the potential Gray version and find out what it really is, and Genesect is simply another Mewtwo. Due to this, a 6th Generation is highly possible still, as nobody superseded the 4th Gen in terms of backstories. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 17:06, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
-== ..... ==
-WHY whould ANYONE think they'll remake FR?LG?!?! That'll be so much of a waste of resources since they already remade Kanto once and they don't need SEVEN games for that, as they can simply put all the Kanto and Johto legendaries in Hoenn like they did with most of the Legendaries in HG/SS. Game Freak seems to be wanting a full reboot here, something that will NOT be accomplished with FR/LG remakes. You'd get a better result with Hoenn remakes than that for goodness sakes, since the FR/LG remakes are TOTAL speculation unlike the Hoenn remakes, which actually have more wait to them (For instance, Dive is an HM again). [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 17:35, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
+With the new games "Pokémon X" and "Pokémon Y", it's undeniable that the term "Version" does not include every "main series" game anymore. [[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 22:11, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
-::Heck that entire section in the article is total speculation to begin with. Who put that there anyways??? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 17:37, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
+:Yep, it's undeniable that [[Pokémon X and Y Versions]] does not have the word "version" in it. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
+::As for the template used in Bulbapedia, the lack of the word is really a problem (as was when the word 2 was added to the end of the article's name in B2W2), but this will be solved someday. As for now, this article needs to be moved. Iwata called these games (and referred solely to these games) as the "Pokémon Series", just like they call them "Pocket Monsters Series" in Japan. Therefore, this article should be moved to "Pokémon series". [[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 22:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
+:::I personally think that "Pokémon series" would be ambiguous. --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 22:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
+::::We're currently dealing with getting new information added to all the articles and keeping everything as organised as possible. We will deal with this after the staff has sat down and discussed it. Please be patient. Thanks. '''''[[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]]''''' 22:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
-== Outdated and Actively Incorrect Content ==
+== Color trivia ==
-While this page *was* accurate, the section on the new generations coming out with a new system (paraphrasing heavily) is, obviously, conclusively false at this point. Id like to either remove the statement, or amend it, but considering how much controversy this sort of page has the potential to cause, I don't want to do so without greater input. [[User:PowerPlantRaichu|PowerPlantRaichu]] 01:05, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
+Is it noteable to add that all the games released internationally with colors in their name (Red, Blue, Yellow, Black, and White) have the same names as primary colors (in other words, colors that cannot be made by a mixture of colors)? [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 00:38, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
+:Are we talking Scientifically or Art, because in Art Primary Colours=Red, Blue and Yellow, but in Science Primary Colours=Red, Blue and Green.[[User:TurtleLover1999|TurtleLover1999]] ([[User talk:TurtleLover1999|talk]]) 20:23, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
+::Art specifically. And yes, while Red, Blue, and Yellow are the main primary colors, they are defined as colors that cannot be mixed by any other color to get them. Black and White also fall under this definition. [[User:Iml908|Iml908]] ([[User talk:Iml908|talk]]) 21:38, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
+:::I think that's so obvious that we don't need to note it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 05:42, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
-Didn't the 3DS come out with Gen V? I'm new, but there's so much here I can't find any mainspace to edit!{{unsigned|Cela08}}
+== Pardon the question, but... ==
-== Deletion discussion ==
+What's the point of showing a circle with the version's color at the side of each version's name in the table? It seems rather superfluous, especially considering that each cell already has a background color corresponding to the version's color. - [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] ([[User talk:Ericss|talk]]) 08:24, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
-(Thanks for slapping on the template without starting the discussion yourself. Nice and polite.) I disagree with Spyspotter's request to delete this page. While it is quite speculative, the fact is that there are patterns and it's nice to have a page that goes over them. What this page needs is ''not'' to be deleted, but to have the speculation edited out so it's an observation of the patterns themselves rather than speculation about whether those patterns will continue. If this is done (and I intend to do it if people agree with me), it should probably be either moved to an entirely new title or merged into the "Version" article (which, as a side note, should really be titled "Main series" for consistency with our other pages). [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:29, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
+== Move discussion part III: Revenge of the Sith ==
-I disagree with the deletion notice. <nowiki><!--and can I be deleted I need a fresh start--></nowiki>--[[User:Relicant|<span style="color:#785C3E;">'''Reli'''</span><span style="color:#FF3300;">★</span><span style="color:#C2A385;">'''ジーランス'''</span>]]'''?''' 17:24, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
+So yeah. This article's title conflicts with our naming conventions in which the games are categorized into main series, side series, and spin-off games. Since it took my prodding last month to get Stadium/Colo/etc out of main series like people had been intending to do but never actually done, I'm gonna be bold and prod here to get this article moved to the title "Main series". Objections? Or if there are none, shall I move it myself (after giving this discussion an ample few days to get responses)? [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
+:For that matter, we also need an article and template for side series, since those games had their categories updated to side series but stuffed into the spin-off games article/template because there wasn't already one for them. [[User:Pumpkinking0192|Pumpkinking0192]] ([[User talk:Pumpkinking0192|talk]]) 03:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
-I'm alright with the patterns in the version article, but the rest of it needs to go. Having speculation is one thing, but having an entire article consisting of it is another. Also, I don't always start deletion discussions, if I didn't, then the edit summary and the template state my argument.  I think it's a waste of time retyping all that stuff out. The above [[User_talk:Spyspotter|comment]] is [[Special:Contributions/Spyspotter|supported]] by [[User:Spyspotter|Spyspotter]]. 19:10, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
+== Logos ==
-I think there are better places for this page's content. What it currently seems to be is a list of generalities about Pokémon games that would probably be more suited for [[Version]] or whatever it becomes. --[[User:FSX|FSX]] ([[User talk:FSX|talk]]) 16:21, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
+Instead of having a colored circle and the game's name, wouldn't it be better to have their logos (or maybe title screens)? Seems a bit weird just having the colored dot and their name. I know we have just the logos for B2W2 & XY, but not sure on the others. What does everyone else think about this idea? [[User:Torpoleon|Torpoleon]] ([[User talk:Torpoleon|talk]]) 18:33, 10 July 2013 (UTC)