Bulbapedia talk:Project Pokédex/Archive 4

Archives

• Archive 1 (discussions from March 14, 2005–August 26, 2006)
• Archive 2 (discussions from October 7, 2006–May 19, 2007)
• Archive 3 (discussions from May 25, 2007–April 19, 2012)

About the Leader

Will this project have a leader? --Alexsummer 03:18, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

As Project Pokedex is central to the entire wiki, the project is too important for a leader. It is overseen by the Editorial Board. Adyniz — Wanna talk? 03:25, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Sugimori Ken's Artwork

I think it was a good idea to replace the FireRed/LeafGreen artworks to the Red/Blue artworks (in the case of Generation I Pokémon). So I was thinking about you guys placing a section on every Pokémon to put Sugimori Ken's atwork of every game they appeared. Sorry if it looks too pushy XD. PS¹: I call Sugimori Ken because it's the Japanese way to say his name. PS²: I'm Brazilian, so sorry if my English is a little (or too) bad.--Deruffy (talk) 21:16, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

PokémonInfobox - Artwork/Image size?

I'm new to Bulbapedia, so I apologize if this is addressed elsewhere, but anyway...

Someone in the Talk:Karrablast_(Pokémon) page pointed out that Karrablast's image seems a bit big. Out of curiosity, I checked a few other pages and noticed some inconsistency in the size of the Sugimori art on the Pokémon pages; e.g., Karrablast (200x308), Shelmet (180x168), Accelgor (180x162), and Escavalier (200x244) -- Should the larger images be scaled down to 180px? Is there a standard already for this? Thanks. -- GranoblasticMan (talk) 17:02, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Xerneas and Yveatal

Is anyone going to create these pages? Just revealed at http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us/ - unsigned comment from Plusleminun311312 (talk • contribs)

Game data location

Why is "Game data" below "In the anime/manga/TCG/TFG" sections? All of those are based on the games. Other articles always have their "In the games" section before their "In the anime/manga/TCG/TFG" sections. This is without commenting on the comparative usefulness of "Game data" sections to the users browsing this site. Yvnr (talk) 13:35, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Biology section problems

The Biology sections are all too free-form as of now. I think this can be changed by sourcing every line of information included in them, through the use of cite notes. This would rid the sections of baseless information, and make clear when information is exclusive to portrayals in the anime (or other non-main series game sources), which is appropriate given the large difference between the sources. Yvnr (talk) 13:35, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

This Tynamo article edit is an example of what I have in mind. Its implications on this particular article's previous/current content are small, but it will serve to prevent future additions of baseless information, while organizing where the information comes from. What can be achieved through such sourcing should be clear if you imagine its application to a Biology section like that of the Ivysaur article. Given the nature of Bulbapedia's Biology sections, which I'd argue differ significantly from other site content in terms of what gets past the radar, I think sourcing is in place. Thoughts? Yvnr (talk) 15:02, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Speaking as someone who has been repeatedly vexed by wondering whether new accounts are making things up or adding legitimate info from anime/manga/side games that I haven't seen/read/played, I think this is a fantastic idea, and fully endorse it. (As a side note -- and not to disrupt the main point of discussion or steal its spotlight -- it might also be nice to implement citations for cases in which a primary source such as a game or movie is not yet available to the public, especially when the info is not easily accessible in English; see, for example, my confusion about New Tork City on the talk page for Genesect Army. But that's a suggestion for somewhere else, not Project Pokedex.) Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:34, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I definitely agree with having this. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 13:54, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Judging by the August 14 Message from the Editor, it appears we're done here. Yvnr (talk) 13:22, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

External links to strategy pages

Every species article has an external link, or several, in its top infobox, to its web page(s) at smogon.com. Assuming that this is (A) desired, and (B) done for the game data information (Abilities, base stats, moves learned) included on those pages, and not for the strategic advice (this is an encyclopedia) it is linking directly to, I suggest adding a "/moves" at the end of the smogon.com URLs included in the templates named "Template:Links/<number of generation>". This would link to a page with all the game data information, and game data information only, instead of a page with only some of the game data and a whole lot of strategic advice. I do not have permission to edit these template pages myself. There's also the issue of the links to strategy pages awkwardly cluttering up the "External links" sections of articles such as Deoxys's and Rotom's - why have these? Yvnr (talk) 09:56, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

I disagree here. The point of linking to Smogon is that as an encyclopedia we don't provide strategic advice, but Smogon does. As we are affiliated with Smogon to some extent, we're also supporting their site. I don't see the point in linking to the moves page on Smogon over the general strategy page, as we already provide the moves info; the purpose of the link is to provide additional information we don't and shouldn't as an encyclopedia. As for Deoxys and Rotom, I think it would be better to put all the external links in the infobox with the others. --SnorlaxMonster 10:04, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Then assumption B was completely off. I didn't think this was the intention, nor was I aware of any affiliation - care to explain it? As for your reservation towards linking for the sake of (mirroring) game data information, I thought this was a plausible explanation (at least more than strategic advice) since that's essentially what Bulbapedia does with its external links to sites such as veekun.com and legendarypokemon.net. Maybe I'm misunderstanding some overall crediting process/affiliation due to being unaware of how Bulbapedia editors other than myself obtain the information they add to articles of species, moves, Abilities, etc. Anyway, the statement "The point of linking to Smogon is that as an encyclopedia we don't provide strategic advice, but Smogon does." is empty without explaining why an encyclopedia needs anything to do with strategic advice in the first place. Sure, a reader may want strategic advice about the Pokémon whose article they're reading, but they may also wish to discuss/look at fan-made drawings of/read fiction about/eat cookies shaped like/etc. that Pokémon; all of which are services Bulbapedia doesn't link to sites that provide. As for Deoxys and Rotom (along with Wormadam, Giratina and Shaymin), I have now brought this up and can do little more than hope others will fix it. Yvnr (talk) 11:06, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, recently the Bulbapedia Twitter put out a question asking people what they wanted from Bulbapedia, and one of the things they specified was that they wanted competitive information. As an encyclopedia we can't really provide that, but Smogon is considered the go-to site for that, and the link allows people to obtain competitive information without Bulbapedia having to worry about subjective content (Smogon does all the worrying about that). Veekun has information that Bulbapedia does not always necessarily have (particularly cries and the "Ridiculously detailed breakdown" of locations). As for the nature of our affiliation with Smogon... I'm not entirely sure about that myself; affiliation has always been messy, and there is currently an effort to clean it up. There were plans to remove LegendaryPokemon.net links altogether. --SnorlaxMonster 13:17, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Want to join

Can I join Project Pokédex? I could help on the Generation II Pokémon. --Supermarti15 (talk) 23:48, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Just add your name to the list. Crystal Talian 23:48, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

where is the list to sign up?--Zygarde&! (talk) 17:02, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Here. Just edit that and add your name. --Wynd Fox 17:35, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Mega Evolutions

As the games are knocking at our door already, we must think about the Mega Evolutions. If we're going to keep only the standard pokémon pages and add the Mega info at them, the infoboxes will be a little problem, easily solved by creating the templates "Mega Types" (typem) and "Mega Ability" (abilitym). But my opinion is that we create new pages for every new Mega Evolution and put the links in the first line of the Standard Pokémon, with some statement visible at far ("This pokémon goes Mega", with the link placed in the term "Mega", or "This pokémon goes Mega: Mega?????", with the link placed in the Mega??????, 'coz Mewtwo already have 2 Mega forms, so we could list the forms and put a link for each one). What do all of you think? --Subzerobrasil 06:49, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

First of all, new comments go on the bottom. Second, the staff are already working on this. Third, no. Mega-Evolved Pokemon will not be getting their own pages. They are not new Pokemon and as such, don't need them. Ataro (talk) 07:08, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Type Effectiveness

It still says to use the DP type effectiveness. Obviously, this should be XY. I don't know the policy for editing Project pages, though, so I'm leaving it alone. --Wynd Fox 06:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Pokemon-Amie

I was thinking, maybe we should add Pokemon-Amie data to the pages, such as where a species likes and dislikes to be petted. Should we? Zaffre (talk) 20:52, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

I know you've already seen it, as you've posted in it, but for anyone else, there is also an ongoing discussion at Talk:Pokémon-Amie → Pokémon Preference. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:00, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Pokémon with changed base stats

I think there should be a category for any Pokémon whose stats changed in Gen VI. Anyone agree? --Wynd Fox 22:44, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Pronunciations

I have discussed the topic of adding pronunciations to the Bulbapedia Pokedex, and have received negative(not mean just not fond of the idea) feedback from the Administrator User:Force Fire. I understand that it seems almost impossible to do this, considering that there are many conflicting Pokemon name pronunciations within the anime, but by using official licensed Nintendo Pokedex books with pronunciations like: "The Official Pokemon Handbook" from 1998 concerning the original 151+Togepi, and by acknowledging the most common pronunciations(that word is in here a lot...) from the multiple anime series, I believe that it could be accomplished from joint efforts from Bulbapedia members. If any Admins or members don't like this idea or love it, please respond in this post. -WilliWonka. 03:54, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

There used to be a section like that in the infobox template, but it was removed. Remnants of that are still on certain pages. Pikachu Bros. (talk) 03:58, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Like I said in our email conversation, there are conflicting pronunciation between the official guidebooks. And many other people also have conflicting opinions on how a Pokémon's name is pronounced.--ForceFire 04:01, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

I guess it would be extremly difficult ForceFire, I just think that it would be useful and a fresh addition to the Pokedex. But I won't overstay my welcome. Remember, if you or another Admin warm up to the idea, just contact me and I can start up a project. :D -WilliWonka. 04:11, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Hongkongian names

There are two things I really hope to point out.

1. The Hongkongian names are supposed to be accurate. But the Romanization is not standardized. Sometimes it is using diacritics and sometimes completely non-notated with any accent. I really want to know if I am allowed to join up and fix them with consistent standards. There are at least 4 standards: Yale Diacritic, IPA Diacritic, Jyutping with numbers and plain letters. If we take Bulbasaur as an example, the 4 different notations are respectively:
   1. Yale: Kèijizúngzí
   2. IPA: K̖eijìzǔngzĭ
   3. Numberings: Kei4 Ji6 Zung2 Zi2
   4. Plain letters: Keijizungzi
   5. In Bulbapedia now: Gēiyihjungjí
2. When the first generation of the Pokémon was out, Hong Kong was still under the British rule (year of handover: 1997). Instead of the red flag with a strange ventilating fan, we used the Blue flag with Union Jack and the Coat of Arms for Hong Kong. [1] I think if we change all the flags pertaining to Hong Kong back to this blue flag, it will be more correct historically. It should apply to the First Generation only.

-Iosue (talk) 17:14, 2 May 2014 (UTC)