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Friend Safari locations for Pokemon pages

I would really like to know the current status of noting Friend Safari on Pokemon pages. Has there been any progress since the update you gave two months ago? I'd like some response (from someone...) to my query on the Friend Safari talk page...

In particular, I want to know if it's actually impossible to satisfactorily note the Friend Safari, currently, on Pokemon pages. If it can be done, it should be, whether there's a new template in the works or not. I cannot fathom what a new template might do that the current template couldn't that would make it and only it acceptable for adding the Friend Safari. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:46, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

As much as it should be listed, I believe the consensus is to wait for the new template. No sense doing work twice (I do, however, understand the concern with how long it is taking). Although the new template may appear ready, some staff members have a few concerns with the template. We're pushing this up in the communal to-do list immediately. I'm sorry if I'm not too much help here. I've been out of the game-loop for a while with my focuses elsewhere. ^Maverick_Nate 05:10, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Can you direct me to someone I may implore to better effect then? "No sense doing work twice" is not a good reason. It's your (staff, I suppose) reason. If I could be allowed to add Friend Safari locations (in an acceptable format), I wouldn't care the least bit if, one day in and a quarter of the way through, the new template was approved and staff started inserting the new template, with Friend Safari locations.

What there's no sense in is keeping the wiki in a decidedly incomplete state when it can be complete. If staff don't want to do the work twice, let other people who don't mind do it. There should be several people around who would still be willing. Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:23, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Not doing work over again is my policy. I was speaking for myself. Not the staff. I run a section with very few users contributing, and I like to make sure any and all help is maximized to the fullest, because I'll never know when it will be available again. I suggest going to either the Head of Games, as it's the game availability template in question, or the Editor in Chief, as the template in question is being worked on by her. I have no power in granting a temporary implementation into a section that isn't the TCG. ^Maverick_Nate 05:32, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Name parameter

What exactly is the "name=" in the cardlist/div for? I noticed it's only been put in -EX listings for XY Series cards. glik^glak 04:36, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

It is supposed to be used on anything with an image in the title of the card. Pokémon SP, Pokémon ☆, Pokémon-EX, etc. The title of each section is treated as an anchor for links, but as images can't very well be in links, there needs to be some way of textifying the names so that links work. The name parameter does this. Ex: Blastoise (TCG)#Blastoise-EX. These links are used on the card name sections of every card. ^Maverick_Nate 05:02, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Ran into a problem with blank Owner's Pokémon: the cards' infoboxes seem to link to "#_.27s_(Pokémon)", which I'm assuming translates to " 's (Pokémon)", but putting that in the name parameter doesn't appear to work. Also tried copying the whole ____'s but again, no dice. glik^glak 20:08, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I kind of forgot about this message. I'll try some things out and see if any of them work. ^Maverick_Nate 07:53, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Coins

Do the DP and BW theme decks and trainer kits not have an image for their coins for a reason? glik^glak 00:02, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

While in charge, coins weren't something I cared about until recently. So their deck placement just wasn't ever updated. Additionally, our previous coverage on coins isn't as in depth as it needs to be, so it has been taking a lot of research so that we don't have false information spreading across the TCG section. I have a notebook with all the DP and BW coin coverage. I just haven't gotten all the necessary images for it yet. ^Maverick_Nate 00:50, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Oh hey, you have a to-do sorta list at the top of the page, why didn't I ever look at that? Any plans on updating it? It'd certainly help me in finding things to do instead of just playing follow the leader. And in case your notes don't have it (and what prompted the question in the first place), Toxic Tricks has this coin. glik^glak 03:56, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

That's the coin included in Explosive Edge: a Regular-sized, Black Chrome, White-backed Reshiram/Zekrom Coin. The coin included in Toxic Tricks is actually a Regular-sized, Gold Rainbow-Mirror Holofoil, Black-backed Reshiram/Zekrom Coin.

As for my to-do list, I'll probably update it again sometime. It's just been a while and it will take a bit of double checking to figure out what exactly has been finished since the last time I looked at it. ^Maverick_Nate 04:06, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Gold? If you mean this one, then something's wrong. The one I have is not even remotely that dark of a gold; the Holofoil makes it tricky, but it's a plain chrome/silver or a very light gold. It's a lot closer to the black chrome one, which is why I thought it was the one. glik^glak 04:30, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

That image is an image from the Pokémon Trading Card Game Online, so your confusion is understandable. No Reshiram/Zerkom coin exists that is that deep of a gold color. Everything from Pokemon.com removes holofoil and makes everything a lot trickier. I need to go through BW Coins just like I have been with XY Coins and do a lot of chipping away and image replacing in order to make everything as detailed as it needs to be. Getting images is also a bit tricky because Mirror Foil scans terribly. Though, just to make sure, your coin looks closer to this image I just uploaded, yes? ^Maverick_Nate 04:41, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that's it. Now I get why you didn't want to spend so much time on coins previously. glik^glak 05:08, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, there's just a lot going on with coins. There's a lot of unintentionally misleading/incorrect information to sift through in order to be 100% correct with coins, and it's hard to give undivided attention to them when there is always a new expansion looming in the background. ^Maverick_Nate 05:35, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Newbie questions about images

Hi Maverick, I am new to this project and have a question about uploading an image of a card from the Pokemon TCG to that card's article. I contacted another user and was adviced that I contact an admin listed on the TCG project page. In an article about a specific card from the TCG, should an english version be used for the card image if one is available and is it okay to take that image from a third party site? To be more specific, would it be okay to take this image and replace a:File:MoltresexNintendoPromo31.jpg in Moltres ex (Nintendo Promo 31) with it? Furthermore, could I do it, technically, or does my account need to be autoconfirmed first? Regards. Gengar321 (talk) 20:49, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

In order to ensure quality of our images, for English cards, we require that they be either from the official site, or scans done on our own. I enjoy your interest in improving the TCG section, it's just bad practice to use other websites' images. We'd have to go through a large process of asking collector's cache for permission to use their card scans, and as their images aren't exactly as large of an improvement as we'd like to see, it's not exactly worth the time and effort to get images we'd have to replace later anyway.

As for being autoconfirmed, you have to be a user on the Archives for an undetermined amount of time and make a certain amount of edits there in order to upload over images. Hope that helps! ^Maverick_Nate 21:53, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. Since I don't own a copy of the card myself and an image of the card doesn't seem to be available on any official site, it's difficult to get a scan image of the english card. Gengar321 (talk) 11:51, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Merch Gallery and Things

Seems we don't have the Japanese boosters and some English boosters for the HGSS Series, as well the Call of Legends boosters. While I was looking through the Archives for them, I noticed unused expansion artwork and booster boxes. Should I start incorporating the official artwork into the article like on Unleashed and should the booster boxes be used in the gallery sections?

I also left you a message on the Archives about card scans. glik^glak 23:38, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

No to the booster boxes. As for the artwork, I really only added those into the body of the information section when the actual text references them. The images would be out of place if there's no real reason to be shown outside of "hey look at this". There are better places for that. ^Maverick_Nate 19:08, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Article mainspacing stuff

What happened with this thread? I haven't seen any posts about other articles on here needing attention since February and the fact that a few of the recent discussed articles weren't resolved or anything. PattyMan 04:23, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

A change in the leadership means a change in certain practices on the wiki. The thread is no longer going to be used, and the pages left needing attention will be addressed in other ways. ^Maverick_Nate 06:12, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Brilliant Thunder Coin

Here is the Brilliant Thunder coin you asked for. Looks like its the Mega-Charizard coin from the Japanese half deck.

http://imgur.com/pFl9pl6

Pr3di7or

Pr3di7or (talk) 01:59, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

"First introduced"

I'm not interested in beating a dead horse if you're not interested in changing your mind, but for the record, "first originating in" is exactly as redundant as "first introduced" for the same reason I mentioned in my edit summary. That's all; I'll leave TCG stuff alone now. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:14, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

False. It is NOT redundant, and I will explain why. The placement/omission of the word "fist" when talking about release information has a very specific consequence of meaning. First is always included when a card has more than one print (which is pretty much every card, except for non-reprinted unreleased Japanese cards, and yet-to-be-released-in-Japan English cards...with one exception, which will be detailed out later). A statement saying "first introduced" or "first released" should always be used on cards that were first released in English before they were released in Japanese: Boundaries Crossed Black Kyurem, EX Sandstorm Anorith. On the flip side, "first originating in" is specifically for cards that were released in English (our highest priority as an English wiki), that first originated in a Japanese expansion: Dark Explorers Ultra Ball, EX Hidden Legends Magnetic Storm. Dragons Exalted Rayquaza utilizes both. Eliminating the word "first" is strictly reserved for situations where the card was released at the exact same time in both English in Japanese. As the card was neither first released or originating from an expansion, being simultaneous, "first" is removed: the entire Kalos Starter Set, every worlds promo such as Tropical Beach.

As a subject, the TCG is extremely strict in words and phrasing. Even just a slight miscommunication in card text can cause tremendous effects during the actual tournament scene, from warnings to complete game losses. Thus, I am extremely deliberate and specific with everything I write, edit, and do for the TCG section, and it is entirely shocking when an edit of mine, as the TCG seat of the Editorial Board, is reverted and removed when I very intentionally added it back in. I take all thoughts and suggestions into consideration when someone brings them to my attention; however, the times when they aren't brought to my attention and just dashed off with the undo button and an edit summary are the times that I find incredibly rude. Rude towards me as a person, because I'm seemingly not worth your time to write out a proper message the first time before a reversion war, and rude towards me as an upper level staff member, due to the lack of respect for experience and authority. ^Maverick_Nate 07:34, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

"First released" is not redundant, because something can be released more than once. "First introduced" is, because it is impossible to be introduced more than once. If you're insistent on "first" as a way of signifying things for tournament rules, may I suggest that "introduced" be changed to "released," since you seem to be intending them to mean the same thing despite their difference in connotation? (I apologize for my second edit; I didn't mean to be rude. I just thought, since you didn't mention it in your edit summary, that you had been editing a previous revision of the page and had overlooked my edit without realizing you'd undone it.) Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 07:50, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

More than one introduction is possible when you are introducing something to a different group of people. Painting a broad brushstroke, cards are first introduced in Japan, and then introduced later to the English card game territories, then introduced in Korea, then the European languages. Yes, 'introduced' here may seem similar to 'released' in meaning, but on our TCG pages, released is reserved for other contexts. Alternate words and wordings are specifically chosen in order to keep one word from meaning separate things in close contexts. ^Maverick_Nate 13:34, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Quick question

So, does the "5 people using a template in the userspace for it to be moved" rule include or exclude the owner? (I really want to optimize this template to not have to use 7 parameters, but I'm coming up short in ideas). Anyway, assuming it can be moved, Could I also add something like what I described here? Anyway, thanks for your time. Schiffy (瀬藤健二) (Talk Contribs) 21:35, 5/21/2014 (UTC)

Need some quick help

I need some help in updating the opening summary on the new SSB game since the information regarding the 3DS version is outdated now that the official release date is confirmed. -Tyler53841 (talk) 20:01, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

What I might be able to help with.

Okay, here goes. I must have over a thousand Pokémon cards, so I might be able to provide some English scans for cards that need them. I also go on PTCGO a bit, so if we need any information on that, I could probably get it. Also, I know of a piece of TCG merchandise that I don't think is licensed by the Pokémon Company. I can't remember all the details, but here's what I know: It's a cube-shaped object sold at Target stores (I don't know if it's sold anywhere else, but definitely Target stores in the US), it's pre-XY era, and it contains the following: two random repackaged figures from boxes (mine were Kyurem and Mewtwo), one random holographic card (mine was Entei), one random reverse-holo card (mine was Shinx), a bunch of assorted cards from the Black & White Trainer Kit and one of the World Championship decks, a DP-era booster (Mine was a Stormfront booster pack, I believe), and a BW-era booster pack (mine was a Dark Explorers). I'm not sure how to go about using this information, but I can go to Target and look at a few more of the cubes to see the variation (although since it's not official, it's probably completely random in terms of sets), and I can try to get an image. I also know of a YouTuber who opened one, if that's any help. Lastly, I can pick up wikicode pretty quickly if any templates need sprucing up. Sorry for the long message, and thanks for hearing me out! KYUREM'S ICE BLADE 18:14, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I know the box you are talking about! That's simply a third party repackage: an item including ripped apart theme deck pieces that they weren't able to sell, any random cards they have lying around, and old packs people don't typically want. There are many different types of these products, but since they aren't licensed and also aren't standardized in any sort with their contents, we ignore them on the wiki. As for card scans, most are a low priority. As long as we have an artwork for each different print of cards, it doesn't matter if they aren't in English or not. Scans aren't an area of information that will get lost forever if we take too long to do it (since anyone who has a collection can just grab the card, take a scan, and finish the work.) I won't say no if you want to do it, I just think there's better uses of your time. The PTCGO though, I think it would be cool if you were able to get information from there. We haven't entirely posted anything substantial since the initial interest in PTCGO a Generation ago, and we're seriously lacking. I don't have the time to focus on it, and if you were willing to do that, I would most certainly appreciate it. All the decks since BW (and some HS ones) have had code cards that unlock the deck online. However, in order to unlock the full deck (by automactically replacing old cards with different cards with each win), it has to be played with in the Trainer Challenge (Mind Wipe and Solar Strike are the only one I remember being finished, so they are good examples). I don't know if you buy theme decks and would have the codes, but if you don't, I do and would be willing to send the code your way if you wanted to work on finding out each deck's unlockables. The character pages need more information, and we should probably have a list of promotional cards that are available on there, since they are different than real life. We're just seriously empty in regards to PTCGO, and any work you would do is beneficial. ^Maverick_Nate 18:45, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah yes, I know what you mean about the TCGO decks. I do have the Ice Shock and Cold Fire decks, but I appear to have lost the code cards. They're bound to be somewhere in my collection, but if not, I can save up my Trainer Tokens and buy them in the shop. I'll take a look at which decks need more information (I know there are some default decks you can unlock, but those might have already been filled out) and go from there. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction! KYUREM'S ICE BLADE 03:18, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Splendid! If you have any questions or need any help, don't be afraid to ask me and I'll see what I can do. ^Maverick_Nate 13:45, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey

Hey, its Tavis. It's been a while. Just remembered, do you think you could take me off the abuse list? CoolPikachu set me to abuse years ago shortly before he was kicked out. My bro and I simply edited each other's user pages without going over our personal limit, but for some reason, CP decided to tally my bro's edits onto my count as well. Thanks --^☆Tavisource 08:19, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I think it is entirely fair to remove you from abuse. Hold on a second. I'll take care of it. ^Maverick_Nate 13:54, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Furious Fists

Given how early the set has leaked, and that you have made a start already, are you okay with me making headway on the English conversion? ~~nuva-kal 20:56, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah! That would be fine. I haven't been able to get to much of it anyway, so it would be good if someone was able to. =] ^Maverick_Nate 22:59, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

BW77 & BW78

I'm a little confused: BW Black Star Promos (TCG). You undid my revision back to my first edit. You said "Yeah, if you're not going to bother reading bulbanews for this info, I'm not letting something not sourced from us get on here."

I don't understand, because I DID use the Bulbanews as source. I originally had it set to "Unreleased", and then I changed it to "Unknown cancelled promotion" (trying to keep it consistent with what is listed under DP54 and DP55) so that people wouldn't expect "Unreleased" to mean it will be released one day. You sent it back to Unreleased (my original terminology for these two promos). How is what I said not the same as what was on Bulbanews? Would you rather it be "Cancelled promotion"?

I am a veteran competitor and collector, and I felt like helping by correcting some misconceptions on Bulbapedia. I really enjoy the work you do on Bulbapedia, but if you want new editors to stay around and be productive members, try being helpful to them instead of sarcastic and condescending. It's unnecessary. F0NTAINE (talk) 22:45, 21 July 2014 (UTC)