User talk:Unowninator/Archive2

User talk:Unowninator/Archive1

Brute Force

Just to confirm, I was in a Shuffle Discord chat where they were talking about Brute Force being bugged and take advantage of it as long as you can before checking in, because the extra data fixed it. So yes, the increase to Brute Force was a glitch, and it was restored in v1.4.7. Coincidentally, it was around that point I finally started playing again, so I missed a lot of events. RIP me. CycloneGU (talk) 19:55, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

So what you're saying is that it was only x3 during the glitch period? Unowninator?! (talk) 00:48, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I remember reading that something was overpowered but never paid attention. I do remember the version, though, and when Boblers said the version number I realized that's what it had to be. Since he tested it in the current build, I trust that what he has is accurate, and from my memory and that Shuffle chat trust that it was Brute Force, as that was the only thing I believe was fixed the very next day. Unless there's one I'm forgetting. CycloneGU (talk) 01:08, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

This may be a technicality, but I don't think the increase to Brute Force's multiplier was itself the glitch, though the two did coincide. From what I've read on these reddit posts, the actual glitch was that Brute Force boosted the attack of all types instead of only those Not Very Effective against the enemy Pokemon. The official japanese site even announced the x2 -> x3 buff to Brute Force, although they have since deleted it (see the third reddit post for more info on that). The combo multiplier buff just happened to be at the same time as the glitch appeared, and was then removed at the same time as the glitch was fixed. It seems to me that they messed up while attempting to add the buff, and then had to rollback the skill entirely because a fix couldn't be found fast enough.

With this in mind, how should mention this in the Skill article, if at all? Unowninator's edit earlier today that removed the hover-over note on Brute Force got me thinking about this. Would it be more appropriate to put this as a point in the trivia, or as a statement on the skill like "in 3DS v1.4.6 and mobile v1.10-1.10.1, the skill erroneously activated for all types" with the hover-over note on the multiplier restored? Boblers (talk) 03:55, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

THAT is what I was missing. Now I wholly remember that the buff was being applied to everything matched in chain with Brute Force, and that was the glitch I read about. I guess I never knew about the 3x buff because I never played it, and didn't know it was added and then removed with the glitch. Thanks for clarifying the sequence of events for me there, Boblers. CycloneGU (talk) 03:58, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Well I did try mentioning the glitch, but Pumpkingking undid my edit for some reason. I then wanted to put it in trivia as a compromise, but my ban's still in effect. Unowninator?! (talk) 04:03, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

I was just thinking it might be a trivia thing, myself. I'll think about it, but let's leave it be for now. I'll review where you originally edited it. CycloneGU (talk) 04:04, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

What? When did I do anything of the sort? Are you mixing me up with Boblers? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 04:19, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Nope. Unowninator?! (talk) 04:21, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Ah, I see. It was in the "incomplete" header. Like I said, I'll think about the best way to do it. I'd like to note the glitch somewhere for historical purposes, and information on the glitch can also be preserved at Pokémon Shuffle/Version history if it isn't already (for the appropriate versions). CycloneGU (talk) 04:30, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Oh, that was ages ago and I had forgotten about it by now. Yeah, I think the version history is the best place for it, perhaps with a small note on Brute Force's entry to the gist of "in version X, a glitch affected Brute Force, more details {here}" with a link to the subsection in the version history article. But I really don't think we need to go into a lot of detail on the Skill article, because it was clearly unintended behavior and was patched incredibly quickly. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 04:57, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

(resetting indent) The Version History actually already has a mention of the Brute Force glitch, with the glitch being introduced in 3DS 1.4.6/Mobile 1.10.0 and the fix being implemented in 3DS 1.4.7/Mobile 1.10.2. Is the info in these entries sufficient, or should more info be added to them? Boblers (talk) 05:13, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Skill

Please do not just blindly revert something you don't agree with, like you did here. Discuss it on the talk page to come to a solution. My reasoning behind removing Pokémon icons was sound in that we have a sortable list at the other page already, and it's pointless to have to bounce around updating data in multiple locations. I don't even understand what you were comparing it to. I personally find icons in the Skill table extremely clunky when we can already sort in the list every single Pokémon that has the skill at quick glance.

I do see as I was typing this that you did post on the talk page there, so I'll discuss it further there. CycloneGU (talk) 03:47, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, when I started typing my undo reason, the talk page was still empty & it didn't occur to me to check until my edit was undone. But I would like to talk to you about this, so like you said, I'll talk to you on the other talk page. Unowninator?! (talk) 03:52, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Edit wars

Hi! Just to give you a heads up, if there's a plain edit war going on, we ask that users refrain from contributing to the edit war. (It is part of our policy that we can block anyone who participates in an edit war.) Instead, please just let a staff member know and wait for us to handle it. If it's basically anything short of simple vandalism, it'll be alright for that long.

Thanks! Tiddlywinks (talk) 11:01, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Are you talking about the Serena thing? Unowninator?! (talk) 15:23, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Also, are you saying that vandalism should be edit warred with? Or am I misunderstanding? Unowninator?! (talk) 15:35, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

1) Yes.

2) It may depend on the severity of the vandalism. If a user replaces whole pages with a wall of vulgar language or images and tries to keep it that way, we certainly don't want that staying up. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:49, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 16:00, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Entei (Super Mystery Dungeon)

It would be good if you could discuss why you removed the delete tag on the Entei (SMD) page before removing it. As I already mentioned on the discussion page, the page adds nothing new from the Legendary beasts (Super Mystery Dungeon) page. While I understand that Entei is the most important out of the three, the page is essentially a copy-paste (with a bit less info) of the Legendary beasts (SMD) page. --Wowy_(토크) 07:30, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Point taken, TBH, I didn't think of checking the talk page, so it just looked like it was there for no reason. Sorry. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 15:33, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Revelation Dance and Protean

Hey, regarding this edit of yours, I wanted to ask: Did you test it with a typeless user, and it regained its primary type? Or did you test/confirm it with some dual-typed Pokémon, and it lost its secondary type (like this suggests)? (And if it's the latter, would you be able to test the former?) Nescientist (talk) 16:00, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that's right; I forgot about Burn Up. All I did was Skill Swap it to my Oricorio. Now you've gotten me curious. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 16:29, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Okay, if the user is typeless, so is the move. I've tested it with Protean and Color Change. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 03:22, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! :) Nescientist (talk) 09:55, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

youtube screenshots

How come they're not valid here, I've had no trouble with them before--BigDocFan (talk) 15:48, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

They're not allowed without the owner's permission. Sorry, I forgot to mention that part. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 15:56, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

The uploader's permission or someone else's?--BigDocFan (talk) 16:00, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Uploader's. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 16:15, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for confirming, will check with the uploader--BigDocFan (talk) 16:18, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

No problem. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 16:19, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Episode screenshots are fine, Unowninator. An uploader cannot own an episode since that'll breach copyright (although they're already breachin copyright by uploading the episode in the first place). A screenshot of a user's personal gameplay, review, or whatever is what you need permission to use.--ForceFire 02:46, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh, so it's just gameplay that's banned? Good to know. Sorry BigDocFan¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 03:09, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

No probs, thanks for clearing it up, just as I got permission from the uploader lol--BigDocFan (talk) 09:21, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Trivia Ban

Hey there, After review, the Editorial Board has decided that your trivia ban will be lifted. Please keep our policies in mind while editing the trivia section and be sure to use talk pages to settle any disputes that may arise. Happy editing! --Pokemaster97 21:28, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Ah, thank you so much. Say, just because I don't want to repeat history, I thought I should ask: are any of these good trivia? And is there anything I should know? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 22:04, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Virtual Console

As far as I know, we have no evidence yet to suggest whether the VC releases will maintain interconnectivity between Generations I and II, so I feel like your edit relies on an assumption (that they will do so). But I recognize that this is an extremely minor, nitty-gritty complaint, so until we have confirmation for or against interconnectivity, I suppose the page could go either way, and I'll leave it for now. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 01:57, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I could've sworn the trailer showed a trade between the games. But I guess I could delete the hidden part if you'd like. Unless you really feel the need to remove the whole thing, I understand and will comply. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 02:00, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

(...I'm not a staff member, there's no need to "comply" with me...) I thought about it some more and it occurred to me: what if we just say it's the only way to get an unnicknamed Mr. Mime originating from Generation I? That future-proofs it so that it'll be a moot point whether or not the interconnectivity is maintained. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 02:03, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I know you're not, but you've been here longer & know the site better than I do, which is why I trust your judgment. As for your idea, I think it's a good idea, originating from gen 1. ^_^ ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 02:05, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

The Preview Button

Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Page button. Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Also, if you want to edit multiple sections of the page, make sure that you click "edit this page" at the top of the page rather than editing it by section. Thanks! --ForceFire 04:24, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Believe me, I do use it, but I either hit save by mistake. I'm rather embarrassed about it.

I know forced preview is supposed to be a punishment, but can I toggle it manually? - unsigned comment from Unowninator (talk • contribs)

Only staff members can move users into the force preview usergroup. And don't sign if you forgot to do it the first time.--ForceFire 05:39, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

You can always make the system remind you that you have not added an edit summary, that's something. --Raltseye prata med mej 09:24, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

I can? That could be pretty helpful. How do I do that, Raltseye? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 15:40, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Go to your Preferences → Editing tab → Editor subsection → check the box for "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary". Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:31, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Testing ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 16:34, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Huh; I guess I have to delete the summary first. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 16:35, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Nothing happened; I'm not noticing any differences with it enabled and a blank summary.. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 16:37, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Did you make sure to hit save at the bottom of the page? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:19, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I did. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 19:15, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

A little late, but it seems to work now. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 23:01, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

It did earlier, but not this time. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 23:02, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

The way it works for me is that it doesn't save right away when I hit save unless I have an edit summary. If I don't it'll simply load the page again reminding me that have not provided an edit summary but if I have it'll save like normally. --Raltseye prata med mej 23:05, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Force Fire's talk page

1. Kogoro just asked me not to bring that up on their talk page, not to not do it anywhere.

2. I know I'm guilty of this as well and I have tried to do better about it, but please don't butt in on other people's conversations. I've had a lot of times that I've tried to bring something up with a staff member and you or other people have derailed it, so that by the time the staff member sees it, they never answer my original question because the conversation has gone somewhere else. Please try to be considerate of that concern. Thanks. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:37, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Very well, I'll leave the section on his talk page alone, but I'm still curious as to why you care so much. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 21:00, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

When someone is trying to circumvent the rules and the staff don't seem to notice, it's everyone's duty to bring it to their attention. That's why. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:06, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Gravity

The Gravity page specifically links to "{{stat|accuracy}}", not the general concept of a move's accuracy. OHKO moves don't use the accuracy stat at all, ever, so it's irrelevant to specify them in that context. It would be like saying "Grandma Wilma can teach Draco Meteor to all Dragon-type Pokemon, except Arceus when it isn't holding a Draco Plate." It's irrelevant, so there's no point saying it because it should be clear from the context. Furthermore, trying to state it outright like you're doing would only serve to confuse a careful reader further, since your edit makes it seem like outside of Gravity, OKHO moves do use the accuracy stat, which they don't. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 04:23, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Regarding Spam Accounts

We appreciate you bringing spam to our attention! However, if there is an obvious promotional spam account causing trouble, we would appreciate in the future if, instead of just tagging spam pages (as you did with one of the bot accounts), if you can directly contact an active member of staff (of administrator level or higher) via his or her talk page so that spam pages can be quickly deleted. I realize this might be difficult if there are few active administrators online (per Recent Changes), but it would be quicker to tag linking, say, the bot account's special contributions page with a quick note regarding it being a spammer and we can take over from there. If no one of administrator level or higher is available, please contact a Jr. Admin. and we can monitor and tag pages ourselves until someone of higher rank is available. We appreciate your help in trying to keep Bulbapedia spam-free! CycloneGU (talk) 20:39, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, it's hard for me to know who's online. Is there a way to see who's online like ssbwiki, or do I have to guess? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 20:43, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

As far as I am aware, we don't have any way to track users who are actively browsing the site without them actually making edits. This is why I understand the difficulty in trying to find someone who is active, but it's often a good idea to just contact the most recently active staff member (based on editing) as the chances are highest that he or she may be available. This also applies to Jr. Admins.; we can quickly catch a higher-level staff member ourselves if needed. Since messages on a user-s talk page always generate a notice when browsing the site, they will get drawn to it pretty quickly provided they have not gone offline. CycloneGU (talk) 20:50, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Well the spammer returned, and I posted on a staff's talk page (the one w/ Japanese characters), and Abcboy blocked the guy quite quickly afterwards. (Not sure if it was a coincidence though). ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 05:58, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

BW event

What do you mean by "the BW event" you mentioned on Illusion? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:31, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Remember the shiny Raikou, Entei & Suicune event? Well, if you transfer them to gen 5, you could encounter Zoroark, which would have an Illusion of 1 of the beasts (which I find curious as there's no party for wild Pokemon). ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 20:10, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Ah, yes. Since that's such a specialized and event-only case, I'd be hesitant to treat it as a normal function of Illusion for the purposes of the Ability page's Effect section, but I guess we'll see when someone with more expertise comes along and addresses the incomplete notice. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:36, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Good idea. ^_^ ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 22:06, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Sketch

Yours probably failed becaused you used it on a transformed Pokémon, not because the game prevents Transform from being sketched. Anyway, I realized that the scenerio I had in mind has the same flaw. I suggest we just remove Transform from the list? The article would still explain why yours failed perfectly fine (due to that other line I just added), and if there's a scenerio we cannot think of that does make it possible, we wouldn't have lied. What do you think? Nescientist (talk) 16:06, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand. I did *NOT* use it on a Transformed Ditto. Here's what I did:

• First I had Mew get poisoned and take some before finding Ditto.
• I went with my Jynx in the lead, and had it use Sweet Scent until a Ditto arrived.
• I put Ditto to sleep with Lovely Kiss, then sent out Mew.
• I had my poisoned Mew use Sandstorm to let it die at the end of a turn.
• Transformed into Ditto before it woke up, that way Ditto couldn't Transform at all.
• Waited until the Ditto woke up, had Transform fail, and then for my Mew* to faint from the Sandstorm.
• Sent out Smeargle, which used Sketch before Ditto moved, and Sketch failed.

And that's how it happened. If you can prove me wrong with a scenario that works, please do so. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 19:09, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I did indeed misunderstand. That's a very sophisticated setup!

Would you be able to check one of Spite, Mimic, Conversion2 or Disable instead of Sketch? Or maybe try to sketch any move that just failed? I'm trying to understand what causes this. Nescientist (talk) 19:48, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Mimic failed to be Sketched, and I can't test the other 3 because I don't think I have any Pokemon with those moves. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 20:07, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

No sorry, I mean could you try to mimic (rather than sketch) that Transform that failed? (And/or, could you try to sketch any move that just failed?) Thanks anyway. Nescientist (talk) 20:13, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Mimic did fail; I used it immediately on a wild Smeargle. And I'll try testing it, but it'll very likely take a while.¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 20:43, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Sure, no problem, it's not a top priority. (And again, thanks.) My current hypothesis is that in Gen.II, Sketch (and the other moves I just listed) fail when the last move they try to access had failed, and that that's why you cannot sketch Transform. Nescientist (talk) 20:49, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Well, this time Toxic missed Smeargle, but Sketch still worked (it's how I poisoned Mew; everything else I tried usually gives me a different status) ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 20:56, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I'm an idiot; I didn't like my theory anyway. Transform apparently basically erases itself from memory (much like Metronome) when it's executed (and even if it fails), so we should explicitly mention it. Thanks for being this adamant, I guess. :) Nescientist (talk) 21:09, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

In other words, it can't be Sketched or Mimicked no matter what in this gen. That sucks; I wanted to see a bunch of differently colored Pokemon like in this [1]. 21:14, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry. This is getting offtopic, but if you have patience, though, try Metronome, that should work just fine. Or if you can (and if it still works in VC), try this. Nescientist (talk) 21:29, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't really care for off-topic. I do appreciate the advice, but Metronome's too unreliable. If you have other ideas (such as glitches to give something Transform), I'd love to hear about them. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 22:18, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Genesect

I agree with the trivium's removal, since it was too small a group to be notable. But since you seemed to be confused, I wanted to clarify: Keldeo and Meloetta get their signature moves through in-game events, which is why they were counted. Shift Gear is Klink's signature move, not Genesect's, which is why it was not counted. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 03:56, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Re: Cianwood City

A quick question to make sure your edit on Cianwood City is thoroughly tested: which game were you playing while testing it? Judging by the edit history of the user who edited it, they seem to have been playing HGSS, since they added several other HGSS-related things in late September 2011. If you're playing Generation II, it's possible that this may be a change between generations that needs to be noted, not an error that needed to be removed. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:45, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

I was playing VC Gold when I discovered it. I never got that Shuckle in the remakes, so I wouldn't know. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 21:51, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Faba, Lusamine, and the 1st of the month

It just occurred to me — when you fought the Pokémon League on the 1st of the month and got Hau instead of Lusamine, how many previous times had you completed a Pokémon League challenge? Per our Title Defense page, the first challenge after the initial battle is always Hau, so if your battle on the 1st of the month was the first time you'd battled the Pokémon League after the credits rolled, that might explain it. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:38, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

It was the second time I played the Elite Four, so Professor Kukui wasn't there to say "Just kidding". ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 14:37, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Kartana and Cut

I'm not here to debate Bulbapedia's current definitions of a signature move, but as you can see on Cut (move) and Signature move we currently consider Cut to be Kartana's signature move since no other Pokémon can learn it in Generation VII without transferring it from a previous generation. --Abcboy (talk) 16:50, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

What? Seriously? I'm not too thrilled with that, but fine I'll remove it. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 16:57, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Mewtwo Gen II

Did you only revert the Mewtwo page because of the held items page? Or do you actually know how Mewtwo somehow spawns with that item in the games? As near as I can tell, Mewtwo isn't in GSC and I can't remember any way it would appear with Berserk Gene, but...? Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:28, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Only because of the items page (as well as serebii) ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 03:32, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Image

Hey! ^^ How would I add an image to a page via the link? Cause I already made a box for the beta Sawsbuck ahead of time, with info, and on top of that I found a sprite sheet for the Gen 1 games featuring 1 unused Pokemon, as well as early versions of Clefairy and Ivysaur, using Venusaur's flower concept. Thanks in advance for answering. (And I am also sorry for the huge image, that was the only image link of it that I could find, please forgive me for that. Also, for some reason, it won't allow to move to the side to see the rest of the image so you might have to c/p the link and see it there, sorry about that.)

Gs22033 (talk) 17:40, 26 May 2018 (UTC)