Talk:Crystal Onix

Alternate Coloration

Since it seems like it's been debated, rather than reverting an edit I'd prefer it discussed here. Since being made of crystal isn't the official alternate colour of Onix, I don't think it should be listed. Also, alternate coloration was not officially introduced yet (Gold/Silver wasn't released, and the concept wasn't formally introduced into the anime until EP154. Could a compromise be made by putting a link in the 'see also' section? ←{Berrymaster|Talk|Contrib}→ 01:31, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

You make a good point, but I accept the revert--KukiTalk 01:32, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't forget that a crystal Onix is alternate materialization--KukiTalk 01:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Well we say the Pink Butterfree is an alternate colored Pokémon, matter of fact the first to appear in the anime, yet it's not what the shiny version looks like. And that was way before the Crystal Onix. The meaning of alternate coloration doesn't mean it's "Shiny". It just simply means it's a different color then the norm of its species. --ケンジのガール 01:34, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

The Pink Butterfree appeared in the anime before Shiny Pokémon had even been invented, and they just made the Butterfree pink to show that it was female. Still, I think it should still be on the list of Shiny Pokémon. But maybe the Crystal Onix should be in a sub-category called "Other Special Pokémon" or something like that. Taromon777 09:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Typing

Crystal Onix is still Rock/Ground typing isn't it? It was able to repel and even live in water, which rock and ground type cannot do.--Darknesslover5000 05:00, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Filler season of the anime from ten years ago. It's made of glass. TTEchidna 05:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh alright. Thanks. And in my opinion, all of the anime is filler--Darknesslover5000 07:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Concerning the typing of the Crystal Onix... I realize that fan-created sites are not canon, but can it be mentioned as trivia that on Global PokedeX Plus the Crystal Onix is a 'Novelty' Pokemon whose type is Rock/Ice? I♥Togetic 19:11, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Anime's take on the "Diamond Onix" Pokédex entry?

Could this have been a reference to the "Onix's body becomes more like diamond than rock if it lives for long enough" Pokédex entry from one of the early games? Can't remember which off the top of my head, but I know one of the earlier games (1st-generation) had an entry like that.

And though I'm sure it was a coincidence (I doubt the anime people knew exact details of Steelix and its weaknesses that far ahead of time), the "more resistant to water, but weaker against fire" thing also makes me think of the change from Rock to Steel that comes when an Onix evolves into Steelix... --FnrrfYgmSchnish (talk) 06:02, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

"As it grows, the stone portions of its body harden to become similar to a diamond, but colored black." ~ Pokémon Red and Blue It could be a possible reference, though I am not sure we could make use of this without it becoming speculation. --Super goku (talk) 06:26, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Deletion

I think it meets notability as a Pokémon character of the day. Especially as a variant Pokémon. --SnorlaxMonster 03:46, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I second this deletion proposal. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 00:56, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Ever heard of Project COD?- unsigned comment from Alemtotodile (talk • contribs)

I’m confused, the proposal states it meets notability yet it’s a section about deletion? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not sure it meets current notability standards, but I can’t help but be thrown off by a probably missing word--KnightGalarie (talk) 04:15, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Crystal Onix is effectively a character of the day, it's notable. Side note, this is a section to discuss whether the article should be deleted.--ForceFire 04:31, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Another user nominated the page for deletion, but didn't create a talk page section. I created a section in order to oppose the deletion. --SnorlaxMonster 09:48, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

I support the deletion of this page on the basis that it appeared only in one episode, making it not notable. Crystal Onix could simply be described on the Pokémon with alternate variations page, like many others. A "Pokémon of the day" category doesn't exist as many Pokémon, wild or otherwise, who are significant to the plot, are listed under various human characters.

I'd just like to see standardization across the board, other pages that should also be reviewed include Pink Butterfree, Puka and Orville, all of which have also featured in only one episode of the anime. Puka and Orville could be merged while Pink Butterfree and Crystal Onix could simply have their sections on the alternate colorations page expanded a bit. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 10:16, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Bulbapedia:Manual of style/Anime#Notability requirements, the seventh rule. It exists. And Pink Butterfree is way too important to not have a page.--ForceFire 10:32, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh. I rescind my support for deletion then. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:38, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

I stand by my earlier comment on all four examples provided. I did see Meowzie's page, but that character is very important to Meowth's backstory plus she was featured in the manga as well, though most importantly her Trainer couldn't be identified.

I need to ask why many of these so called Pokémon of the day are only from the original series, surely there would be other "notable examples", Pietra's surfing Rhydon in EP204, the Clamperl with a blue pearl in AG093, the Evil Togepi in DP145 or even Larvitar's mother Tyranitar. Many of the recurring wild Pokémon don't even have their own pages, so why should some Pokémon of the day which could quiet easily be merged with existing pages like many others already are be any different. Also Pershie who I've been trying to get its own page for a while has actually been featured in several episodes.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 10:19, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

And the Pink Butterfree isn't important to Ash's Butterfree? Meowzie has an article because it is an important character [of the day], not because its trainer couldn't be identified.

Apart from Orville, all three Pokemon you've listed have something distinct that makes them different from other Pokemon of their species. Onix and Butterfree are self explanatory, and Puka is a possible reference to the surfing Pikachu. That, along with having major roles in the episodes they appeared in. As for why it's only those that appeared in the original series that get articles, that's because the anime never does these things anymore. They've never had a Pokemon show up that was uniquely different to its own species. The Pokemon you've listed aren't that different from any other of their species. As for Pershie, I've already explained to you thrice why that's not notable, Pershie didn't do anything notable.--ForceFire 12:05, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

The Crystal Onix was important to the plot of the episode, but was simply battled, and the underdeveloped nature of the page reflects this. All of which is already explained in the characters and location page related to that episode. I just noticed an underdeveloped befriended section on Mateo's page, that's where all the info can go. The only unique factor is its physical attribute of being made of crystal, so it can be fully explained on the different coloration page like the others. I think Puka can still be amalgamated with Victor's page, as much of the information across the two pages is the same and the more specific info for Puka can be in the infobox on Victor's page.

I'll agree with Pink Butterfree remaining separate given that it has multiple references across manga and cross-canons.

How about Larvitar's mother? Major backstory, key to an arc and an episode plot, plus its feature in the Spurt opening? Should it be featured on Ash's Larvitar's page to save duplication of information or its own?

And for Pershie … since when does a recurring character of any sort not have its own page? It may not have had a backstory revealed, but it served more of a running gag causing trouble across its appearances PardescanSlowbro (talk) 12:34, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

It's still a character of the day, as is Puka. Larvitar's mother, you can try make a page in the userspace as it is an important character. For Pershie, please refer to the notability requirements. It needs to have a significant impact on the plot. Simply appearing (in more than three episodes) does not make it notable.--ForceFire 12:56, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

This page should still be deleted. In light of the changes to the Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime, where many of the not-so notable examples were unable to get a page of their own and are now simply a sub-section on the respective Pokémon species page, the Crystal Onix should go the same way. The List of alternately colored Pokémon in the anime should be restructured like the recurring wild Pokémon in the anime page as well. Also, Mateo's page now contains a better description of Crystal Onix. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 00:52, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Now I haven't watched that many anime episodes (since I haven't been into Pokemon for that long) so I don't exactly know how important my 2¢ will be, but here's my take anyway. Crystal Onix is still important to the plot of the episode even if it only appeared in this episode. Appearing in only one episode should not be a reason to believe this is not notable, especially as said before it plays a major role in the plot of the episode. Notability rule #7 says "an exception may be made if the Pokémon itself was a character of the day." Crystal Onix imo is a character of the day so I'd say this article should stay. Well, that's my opinion anyway. SupaToad64 (talk • contributions) 03:01, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Pardescan, the Crystal Onix doesn't fall under the recurring Pokemon rule as it is not a recurring Pokemon. It falls under rule 7, because it is a character of the day. That's why it's notable.--ForceFire 05:10, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't think the article necessarily needs a deletion. It is a notable Pokémon on its own enough to remain as a stand-alone page. → Rockapheller 14:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Deletion

I feel this page should stay because it is not like the normal Onix which is weak against water and strong against fire. The Crystal Onix, on the other hand, is almost resistant to water and is weak against fire. So it deserves a separate page and not be included as a part of the Onix page. --Gryffinbird914 (talk) 06:01, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

I agree. The unique typing and distinct appearance make this a notable alternate form. —Legoless (talk) 21:08, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Notes about all these points:

1) Alternate coloration does not mean the Pokémon is Shiny and if you recall, a major aspect of the entire Orange Islands story arc, where this episode takes place is the fact that because of the tropical climate of the islands the Pokémon have different patterns and colorations from the Kanto Pokémon. This fact is later expanded upon and exemplified with the introduction of Region specific Pokémon.

2) The COD Project is specific for characters, not Pokemon that appear one time in the anime. For this reason the characters of Marissa and her older brother should be included in that project if they are not already however the Crystal Onix does not qualify.

3) Within Project Anime there should be at least a section about the Crystal Onix as it is an aspect of the anime.

4) During the episode 'In the Pink' which occurs directly after 'The Crystal Onix' it was made obvious that outside factors such as food can influence a Pokémon's appearance.

5) Shown in 'Snowman Snorlax' it is once again demonstrated that climate can affect a Pokémon's appearance.

6) In the episode 'All that Glitters is not Gold' Ash encounters a Sudowoodo that was turned to gold during a science experiment where its trainer was attempting to make it immune to water attacks.

In all, I believe that while the Crystal Onix does not completely qualify for its own page, the information about it should be preserved. My personal recommendation would be to create a new section within the page that is dedicated to the episode "The Crystal Onix" that focuses on the Pokémon.

KyraMara (talk) 18:43, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

1) The article doesn't say that it's a shiny. And regional variants were added way after the Crystal Onix, but that does not mean Crystal Onix is a regional variant, it's just the early anime having a lot of flexibility with what it had.

2) The Cystal Onix is a Pokémon of the day, so it meets the seventh criteria of the notability requirements. And Marissa and her borther are included in that project, I don't know why you'd think otherwise.

3) ?? Any anime related article is automatically part of Project anime...

4, 5, 6) And? I don't remember the episode too well, but there was no explanation to why the Onix was crystal. And we will not speculate based of preceding informatino about other Orange Island Pokemon.

As I said for point two and have repeated in the above discussion, the Crystal Onix is a Pokemon of the Day so it meets the seventh notability criteria.--ForceFire 07:49, 7 September 2021 (UTC)