Talk:Ethan (game)

Hey, one of his opcional names is "Chris". Haruka uzumaki 16:01, 24 September 2007

Only in Crystal, though. IIMarckus 16:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, as you know, "Chris" can be a guy and a girl's name.--DRAGONBEAST^X 12:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

HGSS

The Sunday preview confirmed him --Nick., something to say? 23:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

ARTWORK

I have a better Artwork for him (i think) should we use this?--DawnXPiplup 09:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

No.--ForceFire 12:15, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that one is better. It's not as good as quality as the other one. Plus, its jps.--Clarky13 12:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Just so you know, the one most people can see now is not the most updated one. I just posted one. Archives has problems again. ^tc²₆tc₂₆ 12:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. Compare the history of this one from the other one. It's different. Admins (or system admins) are dealing with this problem, which we hopefully be fixed soon. Kevzo8 12:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Aside from it being jpg format, which one is the actual picture? Everything's darker in the one already on the article, but the one here looks like what it's supposed to be. R.A. Hunter Blade 12:26, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

The darker one appears to be a render that somebody uploaded. The most updated version of the file is the official Sugimori artwork as posted on the HG/SS game website. Trainer-c 12:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

The part about Gold's pants

It says Gold is the only male player character who wears shorts. This is not true; Brendan wears shorts in Emerald. --Evice 04:03, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

It says he's the only male character who doesn't wear long pants. That is different. --Galladeon 04:50, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes that's true. But under those shorts are pants. --ケンジのガール 05:18, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

While it is a confusing style choice (and hell for cosplay), Brendan does wear trousers and then shorts on top. They're not long socks, at least from what I can tell. Unless you have some official source which specifically says something about Brendan's choice of lower-half clothing. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 16:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

How exactly can you tell that they aren't long socks? They look like tube socks that are about the same color as his shorts (notice how what you're calling "long pants" aren't as baggy as his pants in Ruby and Sapphire; rather, they're tight like socks). It's not like there aren't socks that are that long. Do you have an official source regarding his clothes? Wearing shorts over long pants isn't exactly common. --Evice 22:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a source that they are are tube socks? --PsychicRider ^{T - C} 23:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

(EC) I've debated it a lot myself, but short of getting some official word on it, it's best to go based on what most people assume it to be at first glance, which seems to be shorts over trousers. I'm really unsure myself, seeing as I don't try and pay all too much attention to it, and my interpretation is also slightly askew because of the manga. This topic is starting to drift away from being related to Gold and more being related to Brendan, so can we either get back onto it, or move this section to Brendan's page. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 23:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

No, but it doesn't look like you have a source saying he's wearing two pairs of pants at the same time, which is more unusual than wearing shorts and long socks. I think they look like socks because whatever he's wearing under his shorts doesn't look like his pants in Ruby and Sapphire, which were baggier and not a solid color. --Evice 23:15, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Let's move this elsewhere, ladies. --エルレイド 23:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Could i add this?

One of his pictures features him with a green poké ball. And the same with eusine. Is that good trivia to add.--Pokéboy93 15:19, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Gold's Gen II sprites

I started up Crystal and got into a battle with Carrie at the Trainer House and Gold's Gold and Silver sprite is used for her (her page mentions using Gold's sprite), despite Gold's own Trainer Card displaying that game's new sprite (shown in the sprites section). Can this usage be mentioned? The only problem is that I haven't been able to confirm how it's used for other Trainer House opponents (such as Cal) as well as during link battles. Does anyone know what the case is with those? --Evice 23:57, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Cal uses character's sprite because he's a placeholder for a proper player (who the player connects, when he uses IR-DA capabilities of GBC). This is a simply technical limitation. If Cal's gonna be featured in HGSS, then he'll probably have his own sprite (he had his own design in Stadium 2, anyways). --Maxim 06:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't referring to how they use Gold's sprite, I'm talking about how in Crystal they don't use his sprite from that game, instead using his sprite from Gold and Silver. I should have made that more clear. --Evice 14:45, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

That's something to mention in Cal's article, I think. --Maxim 14:48, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Done. --Evice 02:13, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Defaults in HGSS

Well, Festa's video shows him having a default name of Hiroki and another as Soul, while Soul gets Miki and Heart. Now, given that's not a guarantee of their names. TTEchidna 19:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Keep in mind that those Festa videos are using SS and not HG, hence the male character being Soul and the female being Heart, etc.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 07:11, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I think we should wait to see what their names are when they're NPCs (such as how the names for Brendan, May, Dawn, and Lucas come from the names used as NPCs). Unless of course Game Freak doesn't give them set names like previous opposite-gender characters (I guess there isn't anything stopping Game Freak from doing that). --Evice 17:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Pointless trivia I noticed

Gold appears to be the only player character (at least the only male player character) to wear his headgear (in this case, a baseball cap) backward. (I'm only counting game characters, since Red's Pokémon Adventures counterpart wears his hat like this in the chapters based on Generation I.) Can this be added? --Evice 17:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

In the Trivia section...

"All female player characters either wear a skirt (Leaf and Dawn) or cycling shorts (Kris, May, and Soul)."

What the crap is that supposed to mean?--Dark ICE (User:Cold)^{(page, talk)} 21:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

It does not sound that important to me.--Midnight Blue 21:07, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

It's not. First it's talking about guys, then it's talking about girls. (Kinda like most of the boys at my school.) Could an admin please take it off?--Dark ICE (User:Cold)^{(page, talk)} 21:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I was talking about why is that in there. That trivia would make more sense if there were like 10-20 girls in the games. And yes why is/was it on a boy's page?--Midnight Blue 00:40, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

B/c this is protected

Can someone put this trivia in. "Gold is the only male player not to have a "common" name." Red is a name but not as common as Brenden and Lucas.--Midnight Blue 23:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Hibiki?

Since the girl was confirmed to be Kotone, why isn't Gold's article moved to Hibiki. It was shown on the PokeGear screen referring to him as such and doesn't seem likely the opposite gender character is nameable.

And the girl is Kotone, not Hibiki. - unsigned comment from Raine (talk • contribs)

It could of been one of the default names or the person who was playing the game named it. Therefore, Hibiki is not his real name just wait for the games to come out. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 00:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah, but the girl was the player during the time. (When Shoko was playing HG.)

It wasn't referring to the player character since it was on the Phone List.--Raine 00:59, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

The player's mom refers to a friend named Hibiki while playing as the girl, so it must indeed be his NPC name. See here: [1]. This also matches Kotone's name (which means "koto sound" [2]), since it means echo, sound, reverberation, noise. Capsule Computer 08:36, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

So... since Hibiki has been confirmed to be his official name, shouldn't the page be renamed Hibiki (game), and "Gold (game)" can redirect here? FireMeowth 14:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

If anything, the page should be split with all Gen II info remaining here, and all Gen IV info on a new page. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 15:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, new information generally replaces old information, and he was never formally called Gold in the Generation II games, so... I think we whould move this to Hibiki (game). It may be stated in the page that he used to be known as Gold before Generation IV. - D-Wheel 17:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

We didn't rename Blue's article to Green when FRLG were released. So should we change this article's name? - Crystal Master 21:10, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Cause people hate Kotone's name. That's the only reason it is an issue. They figure since she can't be Soul, Gold should be Hibiki. --ケンジのガール 21:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I thought that it was because Blue's NPC Appearance trumps his Rival Appearance, since the player can still name him in FRLG. If he's "Green" in HGSS (outside Japan, anyway), then I think he should be moved to Green. Thus, I think Gold should be moved to Hibiki... once we get his English Name, anyway.--Purimpopoie 21:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

It's not just because of that, Kenji-girl. I liked Kotone's actual name better than Soul. We didn't rename Blue because that's the only way he was formally referred to in the games. Even with FRLG released, he was never called Green. Hibiki was never formally called Gold in the games, and now he's being clearly called Hibiki. So, I think that's it. - D-Wheel 22:08, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

So you're saying that the GS protagonist had no name until Game Freak created the remakes? I find that pretty bizarre, considering that the Crystal girl HAD a name. - Crystal Master 22:41, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

He had no in-game name. Now it was confirmed to be Hibiki, so... - D-Wheel 22:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

But he must have had a official name, seeing how Kris had one - Crystal Master 23:05, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

"Kris" does not have an official in-game name. The only official names she's got are are the ones from the anime and manga. Remember - official names =/= default names. FireMeowth 10:06, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Wrong. The back of the Pokémon Crystal box calls her "Kris". Specifically, it says "New female trainer Kris faces the Unown" [3]. - Crystal Master 19:27, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

"while in HeartGold and SoulSilver his female counterpart is Kotone. If one is to choose play as Kotone, Gold will still appear as an NPC, with the name Hibiki." Yes? No? ~m190049^~talk 22:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

While I do believe his name is Hibiki, I'm not sure it should be moved quite yet, not until the English Version is released, because as unlikely as it could be, what if the PCI decides to name Hibiki, Gold? We would've changed his name basically just because his Japanese name is Hibiki. I think a note or something would be best at this time. --Dman dustin 17:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey, guys. Here's a solution. We have a perfectly fine English name for the guy. Why move it to a Japanese name that's gonna get changed anyway in six months? Like with Blue, we should wait for the English release, and then wait until the teams get ripped and see what the "true name" is of this guy. TTEchidna 22:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't we at least give his Japanese name as Hibiki? It still gives his Japanese name as Gold and never mentions the name Hibiki. --Evice 19:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

We should. And we should move the page. That "we'll have to move his page someday anyway" argument is stupid. Such things happen. And what's wrong? Is this so much of a deal to change the links. Having him under "Gold" is stupid and unreasonable now. As of now, this name is just a mere fanname. Same goes for Pearl. "It's too late" argument isn't really right. It's not the policy that we should go by. Pearl's name is Barry and Gold's (Japanese) name is Hibiki. Bear with it. --Maxim 11:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

apparently, hibiki also means echo, sound, or noise vik0z0z 19:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Maxim: If Gold is just a "fanname" like you say, then what was this guy's real name during the 2nd gen? Again, I don't buy that he was a nameless character, seeing how his original female counterpart, the Crystal girl, had a official name [4]. And for that matter, is the name we use for the GSC rival, Silver, a "fanname", too? - Crystal Master 01:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Silver wasn't a fanname. If you leave the name blank in Crystal his name is Silver. Turtwig A Contributions Talk 01:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

So basically, we're assuming that:

The RGBY protagonist is named after the "first" version of the generation he debuted on, Red.

The RGBY rival is named after the "second" version of the generation he debuted on, Green/Blue.

The GSC rival is named after the "second" version of the generation he debuted on, Silver.

Going from that, isn't it safe to assume that Gold was the GSC boy's original official name (not just a fan name), and the remakes simply changed it to Hibiki because, as a set name ala Brendan/May/Lucas/Dawn, it would look out of place in comparison with the new girl's name (saying "Gold and Kotone" sounds much more weird than saying "Hibiki and Kotone")? Also, more evidence of the GSC boy's original name being Gold is that Red, Blue/Green, Silver and Kris' names appear in the games at top of the list of selectable player names. Red's name was was the top one in Pokémon Red, Blue/Green's was in Pokémon Blue/Green, Silver's was in Pokémon Silver, and Kris' was in Pokémon Crystal (as the first available name for the female trainer). So following the pattern used by every other Gen I/II player character and rival, the GSC boy's name should be the one that is at the top of the list of selectable names in Pokémon Gold, Gold (duh). - Crystal Master 01:38, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Nope, the protaganist and rival from GSC The protaganists and rivals names were both confirmed in GS, where they could be battled. Official names for them was never used pre-HGSS. And we can't rely on DATA, now when we DO have an official name - in-game data is often different than the official name, for instance, Blues in-game data in FRLG calls him "KERRY", or something similar. To name the characters after versions was dropped sometime between Yellow and Crystal. Pokémon Lover King Mario 07:39, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why this is such a big deal. The only reason I can think of to keep the name "Gold" is nostalgia. Officially, his name is now Hibiki, like it is written in HGSS. Fairy Red 04:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

True, but Good O' Bulba Likes to have articles with English names. Since "Gold" is the closest we have to an English name, it will stay as is. for a while anyway End of discussion ShinyPika 20:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Gold is a secondary character if Kotone is chosen as the player character.

Gold is a secondary character if Kotone is chosen as the player character. His role seems to be identical to Kotone if Gold is chosen as the player character. His Pokemon is a Marill. Could someone please add this important tidbit to the article? Thanks. CubeShapedWatermelon 21:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Also, somebody should probably add that while playing as Kotone, his grandparents run the Day Care.

(...And is it just me, or is the "Storyline in the games"-section pretty... unneeded?) FireMeowth 08:46, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Yep. It is just you. If the other player characters have it, then why shouldn't Gold? - Crystal Master 20:07, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

May doesn't have it. Brendan doesn't have it. Dawn doesn't have it. Lucas doesn't have it. KOTONE doesn't even have it. Besides, isn't the storyline already written in the respective game's article? FireMeowth 19:14, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

His appearence?

Did he slim down from Gold/Silver to Crystal? Or, at least his clothing is less baggy in his Crystal sprite, and artwork. His pants seem longer too. Is that notable trivia? Lovely Rose 20:14, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

The fact he's the only male PC to wear shorts (or at the very least not full trousers) is already mentioned. Also, the slimmer look you're talking about is mainly because his new outfit consists of hooded jacket, rather than a full-on hoodie. (Also this is very forum-y) TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 00:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Sugimori got better at drawing, too. TTEchidna 16:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Maybe he is meant to be a year or so older in the remakes. That would explain why he looks taller and slimmer. Taromon777 20:56, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon Party

Can someone change the color of the box?

File:HGSS Hibiki.png [[Pokémon Trainer (Trainer class)|Pokémon Trainer]] Hibiki [[Route 29|Route 29]] HeartGold and SoulSilver [[Pokémon Trainer (Trainer class)|Pokémon Trainer]] and Professor Hibiki Oak [[Route 29|Route 29]] HeartGold and SoulSilver Reward: None
Types: Water Unknown Ability: Held item: None Marill♂ Lv.5 Tackle Normal Physical   --       Defense Curl Normal Status   --       Unknown Unknown   --       Unknown Unknown   --

to

File:HGSS Hibiki.png [[Pokémon Trainer (Trainer class)|Pokémon Trainer]] Hibiki [[Route 29|Route 29]] HeartGold and SoulSilver [[Pokémon Trainer (Trainer class)|Pokémon Trainer]] and Professor Hibiki Oak [[Route 29|Route 29]] HeartGold and SoulSilver Reward: None
Types: Water Unknown Ability: Held item: None Marill♂ Lv.5 Tackle Normal Physical   --       Defense Curl Normal Status   --       Unknown Unknown   --       Unknown Unknown   --

I think it better. --Nechigawara-Talking 02:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Yep, sure is. But I used HeartGold color because it is in HeartGold only. —darklordtrom 06:37, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

"Game"

Why do these articles have [Name of the player](game) as their names? Examples Red (game), Gold (game), Kris (game). But the articles are about the trainers, not a game called Red, Gold or Kris. Shouldn't we change them to "Red (trainer)", "Gold (trainer)" or "Kris (trainer)"?--Dr. James 03:47, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

No. It means (name) ([From the] game). ^Birthday! Alpha CuboneKing 03:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

But then, shouldn't it be "Gold (Pokémon Gold, Silver, Crystal, HeartGold and SoulSilver)"? --Dr. James 03:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

That'd be way too long. ^Birthday! Alpha CuboneKing 03:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

The game designers will not likely name two main characters the same thing.--♫Green♫ギャラドス♫Talk♫ 03:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

The parenthesis should indicate what are we talking about. Like this, if the article's name is "Gold (game)", then the article should be about a game called Gold. However, we are talking about a trainer, or player. So it should be "Gold (player)" or "Gold (trainer)". I hope you understand my point. --Dr. James 03:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

While I see your point, (trainer) would not work, as the (game) is also used to distinguish game characters from anime characters and manga characters, and they are trainers in all three media. Werdnae (talk) 04:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

How about "player"? Because Gold, Kris and Red are "players" (playable trainers) after all. It's just..., we aren't talking about a game here, but a player. --Dr. James 04:15, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I see where you're coming from, but like others have said, it basically means Gold (from the game). The concept comes from stuff like May (game) and May (anime) both existing, and the rest just conform to that established standard. Besides, Gold (game) differentiates from Gold (Special) as well. While I do see you're point, I don't think it's gonna be changed anytime soon. It's just an established system that's worked fine so far. ZestyCactus 04:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Mmmm... Gotcha. Okay, it was only a suggestion, because a normal user wouldn't understand the title so easily. Even I didn't understand it, that's why I asked it. I hope it changes, to make Bulbapedia a better place. --Dr. James 04:44, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Hibiki's namelist in HGSS?

Kotone's namelist is already up, so does anyone have Hibiki's yet? Also, I just noticed that he shares several names with Red and Lucas/Kouki (ala Leaf, Kotone, and Dawn/Hikari sharing names). --Raine 01:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Challenge sprite

File:HibikiChallenge.png Could someone put this sprite in Gold's Sprite box? thank-you. _ShinyPika 14:34, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

File:HGSS Gold Clean.png And his backsprite? Just like Kotone's spritebox has all that stuff. --Bulbafan 16:32, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Done. —darklordtrom 06:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

File:GS Gold Back.png You guys forget this -Pokeant 01:24, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

That's the lot of them then. —darklordtrom 21:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Family

Wait, if Kotone's grandparents run the day-care if she's an NPC, isn't the same true for Gold? If so, should it be added to the article? ZestyCactus 04:07, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Done. —darklordtrom 06:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I guess, since theyre pretty much the same person but different gender, so im guessing yes User:Fudgenuggets 23:34, 15 October 2009

Dude, it was added like 3 days ago. --ケンジのガール 06:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Alteration to the Trivia Section

"Gold is the only male player character to have two different female counterparts."

Does it really matter what the specific genders are? No. So I suggest the following change.

"Gold is the only player character to have two different opposite-gender counterparts."

Think about it. This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia 03:14, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

May, Brendan... Emerald sprites... Dawn... Lucas... Platinum sprites... ^ht14 03:39, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

English Name Possibly Revealed

The first English screenshots have been released by Nintendo (although I am unable to provide a direct link, you can find them at www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk), and according to the screenshots Gold's name in HGSS is Soul. Watchermark 10:55, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

EVERY screen shot in the Japanese pre-release pictures said his name was "Soul" as well. HOWEVER, later they officially released the name as "Hibiki," not "Soul"... I think you can expect this to be the exact same... (Yaminokame)

Default name in SoulSilver! DERRRR! Names as the player can't be taken as canon. TTEchidna 05:25, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Backsprite

Gold's backsprite is wrong!! Why does it use the beta backsprite instead of the actual one? (The beta has a red logo on the cap, the official doesn't) -adwajr

The backsprites on this article do not have a red logo on the cap. —darklordtrom 09:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

It displays this though: File:HGSS Gold Back.png This is his beta backsprite. -adwajr

But that has no red logo... The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 13:22, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I guess it was fixed when i wasn't looking. --Adwajr 10:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

No.... he just doesn't have a red logo on the back at all. He didn't in his Gen. II sprites either. Only in his artwork. R.A. Hunter Blade 17:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Lucas pose?

In the trivia section, it states that Gold's HGSS sprite is positioned the same as Lucas' Platinum sprite, but it isn't! There are clear differences, and if I were to say that one of Gold's sprites were in the same pose as Lucas's, it'd be the Crystal sprite, but mirrored. Could this be changed, please? --MewSoul 20:27, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

The legs and left arm are in the exact same position. That's what is meant. —darklordtrom 21:26, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

....or are they talking about the back sprite? Shiny Pika 21:32, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

File:HGSS Hibiki.png File:Pt Lucas.png I see similarities, don't you guys? Mewsoul, we're talking about Lucas' Platinum sprite. :) Tyro 21:39, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I never said they weren't similar. I said they weren't the same. --MewSoul 20:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Seriously??? Gold's right leg is crooked while Lucas' right leg is normally positioned, so not the same. User:BAC510 08:50 February 2, 2010 (UTC)

They're similar, but not enough to note. Trivia on this wiki have skewed way too stupidly specific anyway, we don't need any more of it.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 09:58, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Wow BAC... "There are clear differences" was the beginning of the second sentence. And you're being way too picky about it. But I agree with Urutapu. We're starting to get trivia just for the sake of trivia. R.A. Hunter Blade 13:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

By "clear differences", I might've just exaggerated it a bit though. Even so, the way it's written in the Trivia section made me think that they just edited Lucas's Platinum sprite to make Gold's. Could we at least say that his sprite is similar rather than same? Same implies that there are no differences (besides the clothes in this case). Also, is the article locked or something? I can't edit it for some reason. --MewSoul 20:50, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the article has been protected. See the section below for why. Werdnae (talk) 20:56, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

US Name

Serebii revealed Hibiki's US name. It's Ethan. Kotone's Lyra. --CitruX 13:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Do we have an official source? If not, it surely shouldn't matter what Serebii says. FireMeowth 14:32, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

We believed them back in the never forgotten April Fools, when Merrick revealed all DP names. --Maxim 14:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

That was all the way back in April '07. We didn't have that many policies back then. And now we do, which is "wait until the game release/episode airs". I feel a little suspicious that he's not giving a source, either... ▫▪Ťïňắ ^♫♥ 16:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Joe's reason has been that he's got an "inside source he can't reveal" because it would be, like, a breach of contract for that source. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 00:20, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

His new official name is Ethan [http:http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml]

...yes. We are still going to wait until the game's release. There has been no official source given on those names, Serebii's not a good enough source. ▫▪Ťïňắ ^♫♥ 18:02, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Not disagreeing with official policy, but making a declaration that names aren't changed until the game is released while simultaneously holding a vote to change the listed name of an unreleased game seems kinda silly.--Purimpopoie 18:24, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

That's due to a supposed translation error. This is due to speculation. They are completely different situations. ^Maverick_Nate 18:29, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Either way, I'd prefer to keep him as Gold. Forever. Gen II character, Gen II naming convention. We aren't moving Red to Ash or Jack, now are we? TTEchidna 23:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Cry me a river, Mister Editor-In-Chief. You'd have been all for moving the page if they'd named him after you. Besides, moving Gold to Ethan (or whatever) isn't comparable to moving Red to Ash or Jack. Jack wasn't the name set forth in-game, and Ash is an anime character. It's more comparable to the point Zesty Cactus makes a few bullets down. --Darkeiya talk to me! 00:02, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but those aren't his official names, right? Anyways, it don't matter to me, I all for waiting until the game is released. Serebii is usually right, but we can't take chances, and rules are rules. Littlmiget123 23:20, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

He was never called "Gold" in-game, and now he is canocally named Hibiki (or Ethan, whatever) if not chosen as the player... but I'm already tired of this old discussion... - Taylor 23:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I'd personally like to move the page to "Ethan" or "Hibiki", but no matter what, we're waiting for the games to come out to make a decision.

Oh, btw, TTE: If Blue is "Green" in English HGSS, would you move the page? I know with Blue it's slightly different because he was renamed to Blue for RBY, but to move Blue to Green would be the same logic as moving Gold to Ethan/Hibiki (imho). --ZestyCactus 23:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Green's his name. LeafGreen was FireRed's counterpart, not WaterBlue. TTEchidna 03:56, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I believe that, at this point in time, we are still honouring his first English canon name, which is Blue. Just as we seem to be honouring Gold's first English canon name as Gold and not Hibiki/Ethan/whoever. (on a related note, Vincent is Vincent and not Jackson, although "Jackson" appeared first). I'm not favouring one name over the other necessarily, I just favour consistent choices of names (first English appearance vs. most recent English appearance). --ZestyCactus 05:11, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Uh, oh... This kind of thing happened with Pearl- No, wait, Barry. I really truly hope this doesn't turn into a move-war. Just in case though, I OPPOSE --GEN1KING 07:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Korean Name

Because of page block I can't put it in. It's 심향 Simhyang. --Maxim 10:16, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Image name inconsistency

Speaking of names, several sprites of HGSS's Gold use the name Hibiki, with Gold as a redirect. IMO, they should all use Gold, with Hibiki redirecting to them, seeing as we're keeping Gold as the article's name.

Or maybe it's my OCD talking? Chosen of Mana - 16:18, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I think they are waiting until we get the official OK about his English name to change them to anything. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 17:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Info Box Color

Can someone fix the info box color to HeartGold color like the other character's info boxes? I can't do anything about it since the page is locked so... Fudgenuggets 18:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, ElectAbuzzzz made the infobox Gold colored. He must have a reason behind it. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 01:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Because he's Gold. Same reason Red's is Red and not FireRed. TTEchidna 04:29, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Requesting infobox addition...

manga=counterpart | mangacounterpart={{adv|Gold}} | roundnum=PS091| roundname=Murkrow Flies | }}

- Chosen of Mana - 16:12, 22 February 2010 (UTC)