Talk:M13

Who is Z?

Does anybody know here who this so-called Phantom Ruler Z is? MamoswineGliscor 02:50, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

No. The movie isn't even close to being out yet. 梅子^❄_❅ 02:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

It's a movie not a username. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 02:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Probably a Gen V Pokémon, knowing how the past three movies have released an initial title, and then later revealed a "new" (event) Pokémon from DPPt... considering there's no more right now... we may have the beginning of Gen V on our hands. However, no matter what I think, no speculation please. TTEchidna 06:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

ok so it has been confirmed this pokemon is pokemon z - unsigned comment from Ayotui (talk • contribs)

In case anyone is wondering, Zoroark is Z. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 14:56, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Should that go in the article? Until it's confirmed(even though it's obvious) it's technically speculation.--Mtn otter We lie in wait...... 15:03, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

It is confirmed. I think it should go in. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 15:04, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Is it just me or is Zorark totally Kickass

It was never confirmed that Zoroark is Z. That is still speculation. Obvious, yes. Confirmed, no.--Mtn otter We lie in wait...... 15:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

It is confirmed. See the logo:

Santer 15:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

How is there already ratings?

Especially for Australia?--Midnight Blue 04:43, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, when were they confirmed? CuboneKing (Planet Cubone • Bone Club) 04:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if I can edit it.--Midnight Blue 04:56, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I can. CuboneKing (Planet Cubone • Bone Club) 04:58, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Did I leave one in there? My bad. TTEchidna 06:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Lugia and Ho-oh

Is this the same movie that has the battle between Lugia and Ho-oh in it? Taromon 13:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Though Lugia and Ho-oh were not showed in this particular trailer, the image of them battling still remains on the official movie website, so yeah it's the same... Lugia and Ho-oh's roles just aren't known yet (Yaminokame 14:00, 11 December 2009 (UTC))

So, why don't we list those two Pokémon, and take out that last trivia fact? They're going to be there; absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The teaser showed them, and that's that.--Skulblaka Shurtugal 23:17, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I point to Palkia in movie 11. It was on the first poster and, oh look, not in the movie. TTEchidna 07:39, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, being in the first poster is a bit different from being in first teaser, in my opinion. There were other movies which posters contained Pokémon that not participated in the movie itself. Jirachi: Wish Maker for example, with Treecko and Mudkip. However, it may be better to wait further information. -- RikkiKitsune 16:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Either way, it'll be out in July. We'll find out more before then, but that's gonna be when our answer is. TTEchidna 10:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Come to think of it, there were loads of Pokémon on the Mewtwo Strikes Back poster that weren't in the movie. Taromon 15:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Diamond And Pearl?

Why Is This Classed As A Diamond And Pearl Series? Surely It Should Be In The Heart Gold And Soul Silver Series. Anyone Agree? After All The DP Trilogy Ended If I Remember Rightly! --Manaphy1 16:29, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

No. 梅子^❄_❅ 16:32, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

No confirmation has been made about any new series, or about the DP series ending. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, the DP series logo is used on the movie website. May I remind you that the Battle Frontier seasons were in the same series as the Hoenn seasons? I don't think it's likely they'll create a new series for HGSS. Possible, but not likely. --electAbuzzzz 16:34, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I highly, HIGHLY doubt they're creating a HGSS series; they're about to give DP a new opening theme! So yes, this will most definitely be a DP movie. (Also way to make my first reply look totally unhelpful, Buzz. 梅子^❄_❅ 16:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

It's still the DP series, just like how AG didn't become a FRLG series or an Emerald series. We have a different colorscheme for Battle Frontier, LMM, and PRTOTS because it focuses on the Emerald features, so this has an HGSS colorscheme because it focuses on HGSS's features; likely Season 13 or 14 will, too. Undoubtedly, I'd say, we'll be having Movie 14 be in Johto as well. TTEchidna 22:48, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

so its considered to fall in the DPPt series until further notice, that's all to it from now on I suggest.--Nobody777 10:58, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

There is no "DPPt" series. There's the DP series. And it will continue to fall into that series until all eternity, unless they'll decide to start a new series, which is extremely unlikely. Conversation over. Stop talking about it. --electAbuzzzz 13:41, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

It's not unlikely. It just won't happen until Gen V. HGSS is Gen IV. As long as Dawn's around, it will be DP. TTEchidna 07:38, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

And why couldn't the anime have a hgss series? Original series - gen 1 and 2.Hoenn- gen 3 (ruby and saphire), the battle frontier - fire red and leaf green versions.Sinnoh - gen 4 (Diamond, pearl and platinium), and as hgss came out, the anime will probably follow ash's journey to Johto once more. - unsigned comment from Tomas (talk • contribs)

Oy. You just don't understand what we're talking about. We're not saying the anime won't follow HGSS, of course it will, just that those seasons will still fall into the Diamond & Pearl series, in the same way that the Battle Frontier seasons were still a part of the Advanced Generation series. --electAbuzzzz 14:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Well yes, on my understanding they should fall into the DP series.--WikiTomas 16:34, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

actual name

its actually phantom champion Z, its the champion kanji not the ruler, please rename.--Nobody777 18:27, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

It can be translated as champion, but I chose the "ruler" translation instead so as not to cause confusion with the Pokemon League title of Champion. 梅子^❄_❅ 18:42, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

No, its not what you think will be confused, bulbapedia should be a reliable source of info not one that goes with whatever we users want so some admin should change the name once and for all.--Nobody777 13:55, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't think you're getting this... Phantom Champion Z is not an "official" name either (It's the one I came up with and Serebii used actually lol... XD ) All three of the translations out there are just fine, and no one is better than the other... At this point we don't know enough about the story or the characters in it to make an accurate judgment of what the proper translation should be, so therefore it should stay "Phantom Ruler Z" until something is revealed that suggests otherwise, which might not even happen because it could be 100% accurate. (Yaminokame 14:02, 13 December 2009 (UTC))

All right, to either clear up or further confuse the issue, here's what those words are:
幻影: a vision; a phantom; a ghost; a hallucination. Something that appears real but isn't.
覇者: ruler; conqueror; winner; champion; titleholder. Either a monarch who rules by force, or the winner in a competition or contest.
Judging from years past, whatever translation we choose, it will be inaccurate, and it will continue to be used long after better ones are available. --Murgatroyd 04:02, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Umm... I don't speak Japanese but I did find an online translator. It told me that "幻影の覇者 ゾロアーク" means "Champion Zoroark of Illusion". Spenfen 23:18, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I do believe that actual people who speak Japanese (from this section: me and Yaminokame) ultimately trump online translators. 梅子^❄_❅ 23:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

How do we know his name is The Phantom?

I'm curious b/c I don't remember anyone saying anything.--Midnight Blue 06:23, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Uh what? If you're talking about that pirate guy, he was in movie 9. This likely has nothing to do with him... it's like how there've been several Jimmies, but only one has encountered Raikou. TTEchidna 10:00, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

No, someone added into the article something along the lines of "he is called the Phantom" but it's already been taken care of :p (Yaminokame 10:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC))

Most likely got it from Serebii's jump-to-conclusion that "Meanwhile, Ash meets up with a Phantom Champion, a shadowed character whom looks identical to him." That's not fact yet, Joe.--Mew a.k.a. Immewnity was here at 21:21, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon A and B...yet again

the title says it all, the mystery guessing game is back with the merchandise, A: New Pokemon A. B: New pokemon DP. thats the description of both, I would like some trusted admin to add the information if possible.--Nobody777 17:07, 24 January 2010 (UTC) Ah yes, On feb 15 corocoro will provide a sample of info officially--Nobody777 17:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, that Pokémon A & B thing isn't really important because they are just names of the plush lines. ポケモンぬいぐるみDP (Pokémon Plush DP) and the newer line NEWポケモンぬいぐるみ (NEW Pokémon Plush), so I really don't see much sense in adding that information here :p (Yaminokame 00:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC))

if such , so what's thhe difference between NEW pokemon and pokemon DP?--Nobody777 09:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

NEW Pokemon Plush and Pokemon Plush DP are just different names of the lines, I'm not really sure why they did it, they just did :/ Yaminokame 10:01, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

New Movie Pokémon

New merchandise shows Lugia, Ho-oh and Mightyena. --The Great Butler 06:11, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Should that image be added to the article?--SnorlaxMonster 06:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

No, that image will not be added. We need a full, high quality picture. (by: Ruixiang95) 10:26, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Save it for beta article maybe. ^tc²₆tc₂₆ 14:58, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

beta article for the movie? Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 15:00, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Gen. V game. They might change something about this Pokémon before the release of the game or the movie. ^tc²₆tc₂₆ 15:06, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Mismagius & Shuppet?

In the latest scans from CoroCoro it showed Pikachu and Piplup fighting a Shuppet and Mismagius. Roryrules123 15:31 10 February 2010

Zorua and Zororak

Should they be added to the Featured Pokémon and Pokémon sections? --i herd u liek Treakos? 18:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC) Kimori-Hinoarashi

Well, seeing as they would be red links, i'm going to guess no. Shiny Pika 20:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

i would refer you here —Mada-sama (Talk to me!)— 22:56, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Zoroark should at least be added. It's in the movie. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 02:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

We might add to the trivia that this is the second time a featured Poké has been a non-legendary with a prevo that were introduced before a generation's release. Slightly signifigant. Aura-Knight 03:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I understand adding Zoroark, but did the Coro scan say that Zoroa would be in it as well?Morgil27 16:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Apparently, since both Serebiinet and Bulbapedia say so. --i herd u liek Treakos? 19:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC) Kimori-Hinoarashi

Question, should Zororak be mentioned in the plot summery as being involved in someway? Reason being his name is in the TITLE for crying out loud, we can automatically say from that that Zororak will play a role in the plot can't we? --Superx 02:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

English title

Why is there an english title already up on this page, even if it's in invisibility tags? --The Great Butler 05:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Rumored title I think. Aura-Knight 13:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Because if it's hidden, who cares? It's there because something should be. And because, der, this is just LMM redux. TTEchidna 13:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Add debut section

I was just reading over the article, and I noticed that it doesn't have a debuts section for Zorua and Zoroark. Is this a mistake, or did I miss something and movies don't have debut sections? Spenfen

The last one does't have a debut section but the one before that does so I'm assuming that this one doesn't have a debut section yet. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 01:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I think the debut section gets left off until we know all of the Pokémon that are going to debut. It seems highly likely that more Gen V Pokémon are going to be in the movie. Aura-Knight 23:18, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Possible Answer to Who the "Dark" version of Ash in Trailer?

The name of the movie is Phantom Ruler(or Champion)Z and Zoroark is known as the Illusionary Fox Pokémon, right? Is it possible that Zoroark created an illusion of Ash and tries to take over as a ruler of some sort? Just a thought. - unsigned comment from Legendary Catcher (talk • contribs)

It is reasonable that Zoroark actually created the illusion of Dark/Evil Ash. --Icecreamy 1234 20:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Please go to the forums for this... --ケンジのガール 22:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Zorua

How do we know that Zoroua is in the movie and it is NOT mentioned? -Full of Questions Man.... I am.

What do you mean? corocoro said that it was in the movie (ゾロアークの進化前の姿でもあるゾロアもスクリーンで一足先に大暴れ！) and it's on the page, I'm not sure what you're asking/wanting done? (Yaminokame 04:01, 14 February 2010 (UTC))

Did CoroCoro say that both Zoroark and Zoroua are in the movie, or only Zoroark? R.A. Hunter Blade 04:16, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that Japanese quote clearly states that they will BOTH be in the movie. 梅子^❄_❅ 04:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Just making sure. R.A. Hunter Blade 04:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Logo

The Japanese logo, containing Zoroark's name.

Trivia worthy?

the movie will premiere on July 10, the legend of thunder part 2 aired on July 10 in the u.s. So yay or nay?--Midnight Blue 03:01, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I'd say 'Nay'. It is trivia but its not very interesting and I don't think it was on purpose. Oh and try to focus edits on the main article rather than trivia. Thank you. -- Landfish⁷ 15:30, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Can someone change the trivia section? Technically the Legendary Beasts aren't in this movie or won't be until they are confirmed since the ones in the trailer are illusions.

New poster for the M13

This is a new poster from Movie13 "☆AngelGuardian☆" 09:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC) "☆AngelGuardian☆" 09:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC) File:Poster.png

Here is the poster alone. Someone could go ahead and delete that previous picture.–MasterKenobi 14:36, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

The problem is.. there's still some text visible.. at the lower part of the image. hope someone can fix that "☆AngelGuardian☆" 13:12, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

NEW INFO!

just got a link to some image from the movie!

http://www.filb.de/forum/showthread.php?t=3606 (Hg/Ss come out already! 00:14, 4 March 2010 (UTC))

Dark Ash IS indeed Zoroark

It's proven on the new official trailer. See it on Serebii - 050294 01:20, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

More like see it on Filb. TTEchidna 01:35, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

About darker Ash

I have concluded something. In the latest trailer on Flib, Zoroark is shown transforming into Ash. However, the "Zoroark Ash" is not shadowed. I think it was just the shadow of the tree Zoroark was standing by. We should make sure there is no confusion there. Spenfen 01:40, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Does it really matter? Please take it to the forums. 梅子^❄_❅ 01:44, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Ninjask...

...is to be seen in the movie. Please add it. - 050294 05:49, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

We can add Ninjask because it resembles those of Zero's Magnet Family.. multiples "☆AngelGuardian☆" 13:47, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Another one

Another poster was shown from the Pokémon Sunday..

The New Poster for M13

.. can we change the current pic.. ? "☆AngelGuardian☆" 13:44, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Here. ^tc²₆tc₂₆ 11:10, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Will Entei and Lugia talk?

They talked in the previous movies. Will they talk again in this one?

Dan Green Entei FTW. - unsigned comment from Attack Kitty (talk • contribs)

Entei only talked in the third movie because he was created by Molly's imagination and she wanted him to talk. But it's possible that Lugia could talk, but if this is the case then they'll probably have to make Ho-oh talk as well, otherwise they wouldn't be "equal". There's a been lots of talking Legendary Pokémon in movies lately, so who knows? Taromon 21:53, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

If any Pokémon is going to be talking, it's going to be Zoroark. Of course, this really should be moved to the forums! Thank You! :D -- Zoroark!!! Landfish⁷ 16:13, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

too early to add Zoroark and Zorua and Celebi?

In the voice actor list, we have the beasts, so is it too early to add them? - unsigned comment from Midnight Blue (talk • contribs)

Why is this page not updated?

Wow, the admins are slow, lol. The website Pokébeach has the plot somewhat revealed, all true as the info is from the official Pokemon website. Here it is:

Info (From the new trailer):

Ash and crew visit Crown City to watch the Pokemon Backer World Cup. On their trip they meet a Pokemon named Zorua, who is searching for its companion; they decide to let it tag along so they can assist it. But a Pokemon named Zoroark - the "Ruler of Illusions" - is turning into Raikou, Entei, and Suicune and destroying Crown City! Also, Celebi returns after 20 years and gets into trouble. What is happening to Crown City? What could the Ruler of Illusion, Zoroark, be? And what about Celebi? Will Ash and Pikachu be able to save the city and the Pokemon?

Characters:

Kodai (the evil-looking businessman) - He is the president of the giant corporation "Kodai Network." He is called the man who knows the future and is known for his ambition.
Rioka - She is a cool and intelligent woman. She is Kodai's secretary.
Kuroto - He is a newspaper reporter from Crown City. He is trying to discover Kodai's secret.
Zorua - A Pokemon that meets up with Ash and friends as they head toward Crown City. Its specialty is turning into various things.
Zoroark - A Pokemon with the ability to show illusions. It turns into Raikou, Entei, and Suicune to attack Crown City and drive the people into a panic.

As seen from the following information:

• The legendary beasts are actually Zoroark; they do not actually appear.
• The new character's indentities are revealed.
• Zoroark is revealed to be an antagonist, though the reason it is is unconfirmed.
• Zorua seems to be good, implying that Zoroark's antagonistic behavior may NOT be normal.
• Kodai seems to be after Celebi and is most likely an antagonist.

Not seen from that text:

• Zorua can transform, as seen in an added scene in the new trailer; it changed into a Piplup

Please, admins, add this vital info! - 050294 22:18, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Sheesh. Another illusion Entei? When are we ever going to see the real one? He better be voiced by Dan Green. - - unsigned comment from Attack Kitty (talk • contribs)

The real Legendary Beasts could also appear; besides, Zoroark would have to have seen the real thing in order to take on their appearance. I hope the real ones are in it as well, it would be really disappointing if Raikou's first movie appearance was as an illusion, and it's about time we got to see a real Entei! Taromon 12:26, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Eh... Copying other site's error all the time... This time PokeBeach. The characters name is Kurt, not "Kuroto". If someone decides to start an article, then it will have to be titled as "Kurt (movie)" or something. But I'm completely AGAINST moving Kurt to "Kurt (Johto)" or something and making a disambig. The games' Kurt is too major to be disambiged with some random movie guy (movie CotDs are still CotDs). So, a headnote to Kurt article and the movie character page being titled "Kurt (movie)". But it's NOT "Kuroto". --Maxim 12:54, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

It's not just copying one other site. The official site for the movie has the same information as well. Spenfen 15:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)