Bulbapedia talk:Project GlitchDex

I'd say this should be renamed to fit with the other cataloging projects, like MoveDex and Pokédex. Maybe move it to "Project GlitchDex"?

Oh. And, um, make sure that glitches stay separate from normal Pokémon. Reference Pokémon pages, utilize template code, but don't use the templates themselves. Check out MissingNo. for my call on that. TTEchidna^G_SDS! 20:30, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually.. before this sprang up I was thinking of a project GlitchDex. :p Glad to see the glitch pages being worked on, always found them so cool.

..yeah, I think we should move it to Project GlitchDex. No need to type the e nonstop. :p Tina ^δ♫ 20:32, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that does sound better. Missingno. Master 20:35, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh snap. Um. Um. The other projects have a capitalized Dex. Um.. I'm moving it again. DX Tina ^δ♫ 20:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Goddammit. DD:< It's not letting me move it. God. D< Tina ^δ♫ 20:40, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Moved. It's moved. You're welcome.

Glitch Pokémon and Official Pokémon There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!

03:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Sprites

Now, I think the first thing we ought to do here is upload sprites of all the glitch Pokémon. Noticeably, several of these articles lack sprites, such as .4, A (uppercase), 3TrainerPoké, and 44Hy. We're also lacking proper sprites of MissingNo.'s other forms (Aerodactyl/Kabutops skeletons+ghost).

Glitch Pokémon and Official Pokémon There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!

14:02, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Join

Can I join?^PokeManiac₁₀₂ 18:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Just sign your name (No date or fancy signatures needed) on the participants section. Tina ^δ♫ 18:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Can I join too? PokéZoe^{Talk/Contribs}

Anybody can. fivex

how? I'm glatra i'm new--Glatra 03:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Stick your sig in the members section. No permission required. PH34R^Иван♫ 06:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

OK Thanks --Glatra 22:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I will join, I will do some tests on 'M if you like and some other glitch pokemon... not including MissingNo. (My name is H, so he doesn't appear for me). --Harry Blue5

I will join Project GlitchDex, I will always try to find out any info about the Glitch Pokémon evrn if it means risking my saved file. I will do any tests I can to help people to have not just a better understanding on Glitches but also know more and more. Thanks - Glitch Adam

I will gladly test glitches, from minor to harmful on both emulators and cartridges, no matter the risk. I will try out glitches that require gameshark or ar. Also, recently I think I have finally discovered how to get glitch pokemon that have never before been at all possible to be caught without gameshark on pokemon yellow such as g !! heizeus

please explain joining to me , thanks pokemonaqua- unsigned comment from pokemonaqua (talk • contribs)

All you need to do is type * {{u|Pokemonaqua}}-<anything special you might offer to the project> on the participants list.--Dark ICE (User:Cold)^{(page, talk)} 16:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, I think more Glitches are out there, possibly a Glitch move similar to Brave Bird...Sporeo45

can i join? darktyplosion

Sure. You don't even need to ask. All you need to do is put your name at the bottom of the list, and you're in the project. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 21:25, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Glitch Infobox?

While adding sprites to the glitch articles I noticed that some of the articles had the standard Pokémon infobox (with the categories removed), while others had none whatsoever. I also noticed that the majority of the infoboxes had "N/A" or "None" in most of the fields while the relevant information was in a list in the article itself. I propose that we make a seperate infobox for glitch Pokémon that includes relevant glitch-specific information (hexadecimal identifier, Pokédex number, equivalents in other versions, whether its Pokédex entry is terminated correctly, etc). Good idea? File:Ani201QuMS.gif abwayax (t/c) File:Ani201ExMS.gif 20:26, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Seperate infobox, hm? I think it's a good idea.. like, instead of the regular stuff, it'd have the corresponding Mew glitch Special hex and stuff. Tina ^δ♫ 20:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm in agreement here. An infobox for the glitch Pokémon is a good idea.

Glitch Pokémon and Official Pokémon There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!

02:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I made the Glitch Pokémon Infobox! -- Glitch and Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 20:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I changed around the infobox slightly. Got rid of the "height" and "weight" and "species" stuff (that stuff is pretty much meaningless in terms of glitches) and replaced it with Hex ID and Version. When should we start placing this thing on the glitch articles? File:Ani201QuMS.gif abwayax (t/c) File:Ani201ExMS.gif 20:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I already put it on the MissingNo. article to start with. -- Glitch and Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 20:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

As you may have noticed I made separate type templates for the glitch infobox. The reason being is that the standard Pokémon type templates add the page to type categories, and consensus seems to dictate that we keep the glitch Pokémon seperate from the officially recognized ones (That and many of the glitch Pokémon have glitch types, which don't have real categories (ex. there is no Category: Pokémaniac-type Pokémon nor will there likely be one in future). File:Ani201QuMS.gif abwayax (t/c) File:Ani201ExMS.gif 23:04, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm gonna re-add the height and weight stuff. Really, height and weight aren't relevant to "official" Pokémon either, except for weight in the calculation of Low Kick and Grass Knot damage. I'm Missingno. Master. See my new and improved user page, and comment on it! 21:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, the infobox's protected for some reason, so I'll have to wait for a sysop to add it. I'm Missingno. Master. See my new and improved user page, and comment on it! 21:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Categorization

Okay. I've looked over a few articles and from what I can tell, the consensus within Bulbapedia is to not treat the glitch Pokémon as "real Pokémon". On the MissingNo. article there was actually an edit war with some people attempting to classify it as a "Pokémon", but from what I can tell the clear consensus is that MissingNo is not a "Pokémon". To that end, I modified the Template:GlitchPkmnInfobox so that it doesn't put the page in any Pokémon categories. However, recently MissingNo. was put into Category:Normal-type Pokémon again. Should it be acceptable to include glitches in the type categories? I'm only asking because I don't want to revert that edit and inadvertently start another edit war. File:Ani201QuMS.gif abwayax (t/c) File:Ani201ExMS.gif 01:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Eh, I think we should.. if it happens to share a normal type, however. So no Category:Bird-type Pokémon. Tina ^δ♫ 02:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Notability criteria

Here's something that's really been bugging me. Where exactly do we draw the line between a notable glitch Pokémon and a non-notable one? Obviously MissingNo. is notable, and apparently the 20-something other Gen I glitches listed are too... but what about the 120-something others that aren't? Furthermore, should glitch items and attacks deserve pages? Even pages such as List of glitch items...? File:Ani201QuMS.gif abwayax (t/c) File:Ani201ExMS.gif 03:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

No glitch items, attacks, and Pokémon shouldn't even have pages. They are errors in a game's data and shouldn't even exist.^PokeManiac₁₀₂ 03:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

But they do exist, so why pretend they don't? File:Ani201QuMS.gif abwayax (t/c) File:Ani201ExMS.gif 04:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Eh, don't listen to him. Although, List of glitch items sounds like a greater idea than to just give seperate pages to them-- as I think the only 'notable' glitch item is Teru-sama from Gold and Silver... same thing goes for the glitch moves, like TM07 and the like. It's kind of a mystery on what the TM moves do, really. Tina ^δ♫ 15:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

If they do exist, why don't we have all of them? huh?!^PokeManiac₁₀₂ 22:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

And who ever said I was a him?!!!^PokeManiac₁₀₂ 22:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

The effects of the TMxx moves are documented, actually. And would anyone have issues with me making pages for the other 100-something glitch Pokémon not listed yet? File:Ani201QuMS.gif abwayax (t/c) File:Ani201ExMS.gif 07:26, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's what I think.

1st. gen: Any Glitch Pokémon you can obtain by any method that doesn't require a cheating device could be considered notable. Anything else, no.

2nd through 4th gen: Every Glitch Pokémon for these should be considered notable, as there are significantly less of them and even fewer obtainable w/o a cheating device.

But this is just my opinion.

Also, we should do something for the glitch moves, but as to what, I don't know. -- Glitch and Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 19:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, most of the Glitch Pokémon you say require a Cheating Device can be found when fighting a trainer using the Old Man Glitch. You see the Glitch pokemon when you fight the Trainer, you just need the Gameshark to capture it. In my opinion, we should document these glitches, and merely have a notice at the top that states how it can found without a Gameshark, but cannot be captured without one. If B óË ÁN, a glitch that basically does NOTHING can get its own article, why can't these glitches? --Boxman, a Guy who works with Glitches. 18:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so what you're saying is if a Glitch can't be caught because it crashes the game, it doesn't count? Surely if it can crash the game it is even glitchier than the ones that can't - how does that make it less of a Glitch Pokémon? It is still within the code of the game, it is still a Glitch, and it is still a Pokémon, ergo it should be considered equal to all other Glitches. Mattiuscn 17:41, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

A proposal

I think that we should make the Glitch Pokémon articles titled in a way similar to the Pokémon articles. Example: "MissingNo." moved to "MissingNo. (Glitch Pokémon)"., ".4" moved to ".4 (Glitch Pokémon)", ect.. See the thing? This would be effective in stopping people from moving MissingNo. to MissingNo. (Pokémon), and stuff of that sort. I would also propose a link template like Template:P. Maybe {{gp|name}}. -- Glitch and Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 20:25, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Dude, that is not needed. Nobody is gonna move Missigno. to Missigno. (Pokémon). Why? Because it's not a Pokémon! --Theryguy512 00:49, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

But you never know when you get the extreme Glitch Pokémon extremist who tries to do something like moving MissingNo. to MissingNo. (Pokémon). True, I did at one point seriously consider doing so, but somehow forgot.

IMHO this is unnecessary. What would this suffix accomplish, in terms of disambiguation? The Pokémon articles are titled like that to disambiguate them versus articles on significant members of that species (Pikachu disambiguates to Pikachu (Pokémon) and Ash's Pikachu) since individual Pokémon usually don't have their own names (Ash's Pikachu is just called Pikachu, as are most of the Pikachu in the world). AFAIK "MissingNo." or ".4" wouldn't refer to anything else, and even if we did decide otherwise, making a template to link to them would be a bit excessive - how many times would we link to one of these articles in article space? File:Ani201QuMS.gif abwayax (t/c) File:Ani201ExMS.gif 16:45, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

And the old argument opens up again.... Recently, PkMn was moved to PkMn (Glitch Pokémon), because PkMn was to be made a disambig. page. See, PKMN is a common abbreviation for Pokémon. THERE'S the necessity for the (Glitch Pokémon) suffix. On that page at least. And, just my opinion here, I don't think it would look very professional on Bulbapedia's part to have one Glitch Pokémon article with said suffix, and no such thing for the others, see where I'm getting at here? I'm Missingno. Master, and I approve this message. 10:50, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Glitch moves

We should have articles for them. They can be learned by numerous Glitch Pokémon. If it's OK, I'd like to volunteer myself to creating the articles for the glitch moves (such as TM28 or Super Glitch). I will make the Super Glitch article, and start from there. -- Glitch Pokémon. Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 20:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

No. Just a list of them and their effect. They're not notable enough to grant an entire article for a glitch move. Tina ^δ♫ 20:18, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

THERE ARE SPECIAL GLITCH ATTACKS! COOL!--DarthCookieMonster 20:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

All right then, just three pages. One for Super Glitch, one for the Cooltrainer move, and one for all the TM moves. I will also be putting links to the proper articles in each Glitch Pokémon's movelist. -- Glitch Pokémon. Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 20:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, they are cool, but they can wipe out your memory.-- User:Sporeo45

Some things i discovered

I found two things. I'll say the least important first, shall I?

The glitch move "TM05" sharply raises your EVADE stat.

The more important may be noticed more, and you might decide to make an article on it, unless I do.

It's a Glitch Pokemon - [Lots of glitched symbols]g[Some more glitched symbols] (I like to call him ||-g) On first capture it is apparently like a Rhydon. On second or later capture, it is a powerful Glitch Pokemon that (on lvl 42) comes with Mega Punch, TM05, Fire Punch and Growl ( i think )

It only comes when you put in the code that is meant to make wild Togepis come in Pokemon Red/Blue. Koga will challenge you (for some reason). And he has 6 "||-g"'s All at Lvl 42.

No probs, DarkraiDude ;)

Discoveries

Enter any new Glitch Discovery here.

I discovered it just 1 month ago, i was hunting for AR codes, when I entered the code, A starly showed up... User:Sporeo45

Really! XD I was hunting for a Deoxys code, but instead, a got a Starly.

• made an account just now, don't know if this is how I should have reported this so, sorry if I shouldn't have*

I can not give proper information as to how I performed this glitch because it occurred over 10 years ago on my Pokemon Red version. The glitch was that after placing a Meowth (which I had just traded over from my Blue version) into Bill's Pc, I scrolled my list of Pokemon inside the Pc (to withdraw one) and I continued to scroll past 'cancel' which brought me into a new list of unintelligible characters. Although unreadable and spreading outside of the list window I was still able to scroll normally over each slot. The list of characters was endless regardless of how long I scrolled and I could not go back into my real box. Clicking on one and looking at its stats would show either (from my searching of glitch pokemon) the 'japanese character' glitch pokemon or a mew within the random mix. Checking either's stats before withdrawing would crash my game after canceling my withdraw so I would be forced to take them. Both the glitch and the mew would be at level 100. When in my party the 'japanese character' glitch would become a Rhydon after 1 battle as well as level up to lv1. The mew would also level to 1 after 1 fight.

• This glitch would always and only occur on that one save file after depositing the meowth. I could not find a way to recreate on a new save file.

• What I can remember of how I caused the glitch to occur*

My game was completed and I had beaten the Elite Four numerous times (roughly 4-5 times). I had just come onto the game after trading a Meowth from the Pokemon Blue version (which was still within my party). After depositing the mewoth only, I would then chose to withdraw and I would scroll all the way down by holding the down button past 'cancel' (the arrow on screen would flash on 'cancel' a few times before scrolling into the glitch box). I roughly remember the Meowth being just caught on the Blue version in the grass above the day care center (though I can not remember for certain)

• If this needs to be moved into a different section then feel free to do so*

• i used a gameshark on yellow for mewtwo and instead got a articuno with a oddish facing you sprite and it knows blizzard and flame wheelarceusLX leveled up! 01:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Movelist/evolution templates

We need to make a Glitch Pokémon-friendly movelist template thingy, one that DOESN'T link to that of different generations, as recent edits to 'M prove. Also, evolution templates. If they won't allow us to use the regular evolution template for 'M's article, then.... I'm Missingno. Master, and I approve this message. 18:12, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I've created a glitch-friendly version of the EvoChart Box. Template:Glitch Evo Box. Fully compatible with the regular EvoCharts. Now for them movelists. I'm Missingno. Master, and I approve this message. 18:43, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Awesome, this will really help the Glitches that have Evolutions.--Boxman, a Guy who works with Glitches. 2:15, June 19 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we can, but it would be hard to make it though... --User:Sporeo45

Splashie

User:BlueGasMask says that when he encountered a Lv. 5 Magikarp in his Ruby game, (he used a Mewtwo to battle it) the wild Magikarp used Splash and BlueGasMask's Mewtwo fainted (the box at the bottom said it was a One-Hit KO). Anybody who has Pokémon Ruby, can you please check this out? - Hazardous FIRE! 04:38, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Small Patch in userbox

Userbox have a small change - you can change image by simply edit you user page. Not all want 'M? Simply change! How are you like this minor change? Era64 07:32, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Uh, what? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs)

Lots of work needed

Firstly, all the articles need to be moved from [name] to [name] (Glitch Pokémon) to match PkMn. Secondly, many of the articles need sprites to replace the battle screens, nothingness, and in one instance, party screenshot in the infoboxes. Then, we must somehow integrate their evolutions into their evolved forms' pages (like under an "Unofficial" or "Glitch" heading). I've also noticed an inconsistancy in evoboxes between articles. Some use the old ones, some use the new ones. And then, some articles have no infoboxes at all! I can't do all this by myself, much as I'd like to be able to, so I need the help of the numerous people who have signed up for this project. WHO'S WITH ME???!?! - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs)

I agree, it would be more organized that way. -- User:Sporeo45

Lets do the work

Ok then, I hope we can do it, then, maybe we can make a Glitch dex or something like that.

WHO'S WITH ME????!?!

Problem with To-Do List

Um, in the GlitchDex To-Do List, task #3 states: 3: Integrate the Glitch Pokémon evolutions into the pages of the official Pokémon they evolve into. However, they would be under a separate sub-heading in the evolution section.

I went to check out Kangaskhan's page and see if Missingno. had already been integrated, and I found someone put a protesting message in the editing page, saying something to the effect of that doing such a thing wouldn't be the right thing to do. It got me thinking if maybe glitch evolutions shouldn't be integrated into official Pokémon. Thoughts? -Remew

They won't be. --RexRacer -talk 03:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

That was put there before I proposed the whole idea of putting the glitch evolutions under a separate heading. It's gotta be put in there somehow. I'm Missingno. Master. See my new and improved user page, and comment on it! 01:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Missingno.

I noticed that Missingno. is kinda like a hybrid of 'M .Think we should say that?Because I reckon it is,so we should. - unsigned comment from Rayquaza23 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Neither Missingno. nor 'M are hybrids. And their similarities are noted on their respective articles. Missingno. Master says: The Celebi Glitch is real!(talk page) 00:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Maybe User:Sporeo45

Glitch Pokémon image naming

We need some kind of convention for these, as they are currently all over the place.

Maybe GlitchRB_## and Glitch_Y## etc, where the # are the Hexadecimal identifiers? For example, 'M would be GlitchRB_00 and Z4 would be GlitchY_C3. ????? Hex 00 could be GlitchG2_00, while - could be GlitchG3_019C and ----- could be GlitchG4_0000.

The only problem in Generation I that I see is with Missingno. which has multiple Hex IDs, but it could simply stay the way that it is now.

I'm not sure if this is the right place to put this, and if it's not then please give me a link to post it there. --SnorlaxMonster. Help here 04:22, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I thikn I found a better place on the archives, but it should stay here as well. --SnorlaxMonster. Help here 05:08, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

' Dual Fossil glitch hey, i am a new user on here, but i am a longtime pokemon player. one day, back in 2004, me and a friend were playing pokemon ruby. now, you guys may know about this, but i havent seen it yet. so here it goes.

Dual Fossil Glitch

in ruby/sapphire, you can obtain 1 of 2 fossils, of course. but, with a certain chain of events, we were able to secure both fossils in the same game. whats more is, we did it multiple times, with multiple copies of the game. w i dont remember the exact event chain. but it involves entering the devon corp, exiting, and a saving, but cutting off the power halfway through. we did this mulitple times. i vaguely remember it, but we had both fossils, in one go. i was shocked. im so sorry i cant remember what all we did, but would love to continue this expirement, as i believe that it could have an effect on items as well.. well if your interested, email me! william.alsup@live.com.

THANK YOU!!!

Glitch Training: Pros, Cons, and Dangers

While I don't think I have much to contribute to the GlitchDex myself, I'm nonetheless very impressed by and interested in it. I've had many of the popular known glitches in Generation I under my belt for years now due to my morbid fascination, but only through this project discovered just how little I really knew. It's even crossed my mind to attempt a playthrough using a team of glitch Pokémon recently... however, I noticed that your Glitch Pokémon pages lack a section addressing the glitch species' positive and negative effects, and more importantly, any risks there may be to attempting to capture and use them. I'm aware that there are many glitch species there are completely harmless and others which are extremely lethal, and I don't think I'm the only one who would benefit from having this information available on each Glitch Pokémon's profile. If this has been mentioned and rejected for any reason before, I apologize for bringing it up. I just felt it might be worth suggesting. - Xelrog T. Apocalypse 22:14, 2 September 2010 (UTC)