Talk:Oshawott (Pokémon)

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File not showing up

The artwork won't show up. The same thing happens with the Grass type starter's artwork. Dialgafan1 23:40, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

It has not been uploaded yet. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 23:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sorry I just realized that after posting. Are you gonna put the ? image for the menu sprites like you did Zorua and Zoroark? Just wondering. It would look neater. Dialgafan1 23:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

500

It should be stated in the trivia section that Mijumaru is the 500th pokemon - unsigned comment from DSDark (talk • contribs)

No. At the moment we don't know that for sure, and once we do it'll be in the infobox at the start of the article, so there'll be no need. Werdnae (talk) 00:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

...yes we do? Water starter is always seventh from the last of the last generation. It's like saying we don't know that you'll be able to buy Poké Balls. TTEchidna 18:32, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Have something like "Mijumaru marks a milestone in that it is the 500th Pokémon in the National Pokédex." Bttsstewart 03:45, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Here's some trivia relating this: Mijumaru is one of two starter Pokémon to have a National Pokédex number that is divisible by 100, the other being Turtwig. --Poppy Appletree 17:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Turtwig isn't the 400th, it's Piplup. Pawsrent 23:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

First, do not reply to old comments. Second, you're actually wrong. Piplup is 393, Chimchar is 390, and Turtwig is 387. 400 is Bibarel. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 23:30, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

Mijumaru is the first Water-type starter based on a mammal. The others were reptiles, with the exception of Piplup, a bird. --MegaTroopX

Mudkip wasn't a reptile though, it's amphibian-like as it was based on mudskippers or axolotl. But I guess that doesn't matter... Mudkipchan 03:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, mudskippers are fish. Poisson14 05:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, my bad, but they're still amphibian. Point is, Mudkip is not reptilian. Mudkipchan 16:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Amphibians are not fish, nor are fish amphibians, though I do see what you are trying to say. Poisson14 08:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Some Trivia revealed through Anime Video: Mijumaru here has FANGS. --Dermodio 14:42, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Name

Where does the name come from? Eddie Blake 15:11PM, 13 May 2010

Mijuku means immature, and maru means round, or ball. - unsigned comment from Don't Hug Lucario! (talk • contribs)

Should someone add that, or are we waiting? Poisson14 05:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

If I may add, the 'maru' in its name could be a reference to its round head. However I think I recall that 'maru' can also mean boy, which could be a reference that most starters have a higher chance of being male, but that meaning is probably less likely. Mudkipchan 21:11, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

"丸" (まる, maru) means "circle". The other two B&W starters have speculations such as this already added into the name origin section on their pages... someone should add this one in. --FrozenPandaMan 23:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC) Oh, and 未熟 (みじゅく, mijuku) does indeed mean immature. --FrozenPandaMan 00:51, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Name origin currently lists 'mizu'. Can an admin add the extra about 'mijuku' please? Mudkipchan 06:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

The ending "maru" is also a suffix of many Japanese ships - unsigned comment from Snozzardi (talk • contribs)

Another possibility: Ring of Bright Water is a novel/movie about a man who finds and adopts an otter named Mijbil, nicknamed Mij. Phonetically, Mijbil would likely be Mijubiru, with Mij being Miju. Add the common name suffix -maru for distinct distancing (re: Abra line Japanese name controversy). It can't be a coincidence. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 22:53, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Height and Weight

Got this from Pokebeach:

Height: 0.5m (1.6ft) Wight: 5.9kg (13Ibs) --Dialgafan1 23:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Sprite

Here's the sprite of Mijumaru that I uploaded onto Bulbagarden Archives from CoroCoro --Dialgafan1 18:51, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Why did it get deleted? T a r o m o n 09:41, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

That version was deleted because it was a duplicate. The version on the article isn't showing up coz of sync issues :( —darklordtrom 10:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Uhm...

Since when does Mijumaru evolve into Missingno? --GEN1KING 20:41, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

It's a placeholder. We don't know what it evolves into yet, but we know it evolves... CuboneKing 20:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Would it be better to use the question mark sprite from the Pokédex? Not this whole image of course, but I couldn't find the clean sprite by itself. Using Missingno. does seem a bit odd; makes it look like Bulbapedia has gone glitchy! T a r o m o n 09:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Taromon. Lets use oour question mark for unknown, rather than Missingno.--SnorlaxMonster 10:01, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Couldn't we just link them as and ? It's done for Mijumaru iself. Takharii ~ Talk! 10:41, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Moves

This pokemon knows Water Pulse... Chomi 09:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

And just how do you know that? NEOgreenSOROU 11:08, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Mijumaru can also learn Shell Blade, as Munna's Forewarn ability alerted it to the move. - unsigned comment from Snozzardi (talk • contribs)

It also learns Revenge, the moves were shown on youtube vids....Chomi 18:45, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

which will not be added until the games come out..... -__- Ataro 19:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Physiology for the admins to implement

Mijumaru is a bipedal sea otter-like Pokémon, primarily light blue, dark blue, and white in coloration. Mijumaru has a rounded, spherical white head, with small, triangular dark-blue ears to the sides. Mijumaru’s eyes are large, dark, and ovular in shape; its dark-orange nose is shaped like an oval tilted to the side. Mijumaru also possesses speckles to the sides of its face, most likely meant to be a stylistic implication of short whiskers in the common manner of cartoon canines, and light blue bubble-esque features composing a “collar” around its neck. Mijumaru’s torso is light blue, and decorated with a pale yellow seashell feature in the center. Its small, digit-less and somewhat rounded arms are white in coloration, with its feet---having, unlike its forearms, discernible digits---colored dark blue. Mijumaru also possesses a slightly plank-shaped dark blue tail. (I should facilitate my efforts before other persons fill in Physiology sections before me...) Steph 18:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again Steph, these are so well written! —♥ Jello 18:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

It's perfect. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 02:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

The "---" looks unusual. Is it supposed to be some kind of wiki code that is broken? I think a simple dash (—) would be much better. --SnorlaxMonster 08:19, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. Werdnae (talk) 08:28, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, can you put spaces around the dashes too please? --SnorlaxMonster 09:01, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Those em dashes aren't supposed to have spaces between them and the word, so technically it is right how it is. Werdnae (talk) 09:11, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Evolution

Mijumaru's evolutions name is Rakonosua (ラコノスア) Originating from rakka meaning Sea Otter in japanese - unsigned comment from Vkickass (talk • contribs)

Is this from the anime beta art? Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 23:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

What source did you get this name from? NEOgreenSOROU 02:26, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

the beta art, it took a little effort to read it, and i thought that it would be terribly wrong, but it ended up making senseVkickass 01:32, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

It says ラコノスケ (Rakonosuke), not ラコノスア (Rakonosua) on the chart and seeing as how ツタージャ (Tsutarja) is nicknamed アイビー (Ivy) there, there is no guarantee that Rakonosuke is it's actual name and not a nickname. It would fit with Mijumaru especially considering that -maru is a Japanese male name suffix just as -(no)suke is, but the problem is that it could just be a nickname so It's best to just wait :/ (Yaminokame 01:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC))

Possible new info

speaking of it's evolution I came across a (fake or not who knows...) gif of it's evo..I'm willing to bet it came from that black and white demo (Ataro 17:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC))

That sprite came from a devianArt user. Here is the link --Crimsonnavy 19:17, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Questions

First question, why does Mijumaru's evolutions show up as the hack L? Shouldn't it show up as question marks? Putting it up as L might just confuse some people. Second question, how do you edit pages again? I noticed that there was no little "edit" at the end of each section so i was wondering. I was going to say that the feet resembled an otter's flippers. Thanks. NEOgreenSOROU 22:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

To answer your questions, we don't have sprites for it's evolutions, that's why it shows up as a glitch. I don't know why it would confuse people, unless you really believe it evolves into a glitch Pokémon. Secondly, you can't edit this page because it's protected, like all new Pokémon pages. If you want something added then discuss it on it's talk page. —♥ Jello 22:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh ok thanks. Yeah the L doesn't confuse me but it might confuse another random person who knows ziltch about pokemon. So, lets discuss it now, I was thinking of adding in the info that its feet resemble an otter's flippers, who's for it? NEOgreenSOROU 22:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

That's a bit redundant, since it's already mentioned under it's origin that it's based on a Sea Otter. —♥ Jello 22:50, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I think the question mark further up is alot more appropriate than the glitch sprite. A question mark would get instant recognition by any reader that the evolutions are unknown, which is what we should be shooting for.--J.Harkness 22:55, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

@ Jello: True, I thought of that too, right after I posted that. @ J. Harkness: That’s exactly what I was thinking, and for the other starters of this region too. So here is how I think the second to last sentence should look. "Its small, digit-less and somewhat rounded arms are white in coloration, with its feet—having, unlike its forearms, discernible digits and the appearance of small flippers—colored dark blue." NEOgreenSOROU 23:00, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions, we've gone around and changed the sprites to something more appropriate. —♥ Jello 23:57, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

...hack L? Kids these days... don't even know about Missingno... TTEchidna 00:46, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

About its National number

Yes. We know. Victini is #000 in the Isshu dex. This means nothing right now about its National number. Think of it this way: they put Victini at #000 so that you'd not know right off the bat getting it how many other Pokémon there are to find, especially given that it's gonna be an early event, like Manaphy. If you got Mew just after you got your starter in RBY, you'd know there's 151 Pokémon in Kanto. Same with Celebi in GSC, Deoxys in RSE, and so on. This is a failsafe to make Pokémon feel less like "let's see how many they added" and more like "oh, there's so many of these things, I wonder what they all are...". Sure, futile anyway, given that we'll likely have access to the games and have figured out everything by the day after it comes out... but still. An admirable solution to that huge-empty-Pokédex problem we've had since Gen I.

Mijumaru, until further notice, is staying at #500. We cannot assume anything different than it being seventh after Arceus, just as Totodile is seventh after Mew, Mudkip is seventh after Celebi, and Piplup is seventh after Deoxys. TTEchidna 00:55, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Mammalian

I hate to be a stickler, but Pikachu is based off of a mammal. ----Zewis (29) 00:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Technically, I think that piece of trivia doesn't include Pikachu; yes, it was the starter in Yellow, but it isn't an official "starter Pokémon" since it isn't one of the first three evolutionary lines in any regional Pokédex. But I do think the trivia about being the first non-Fire type mammalian starter could be removed. PhantomJunkie 01:25, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, if we want to do this, Eevee from XD is a mammal, as well as as countless others from side series games. But I think it should stay, a Yellow wasn't a regular version.----Zewis (29) 13:00, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Meowth thats right! You are absoloutley correct. Though Perhps it could be changed to "The first Mamillian Starter from the main games not to be a fire type." --Dermodio 14:48, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

The problem with that is that Yellow, Colosseum, and XD are all considered "main series" games. So really there's no good way to include this.--PhantomJunkie 15:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Uh, yeah, about Mijumaru being the only water type mammal pokemon? He's not, what about Buizel and Floatzel, the other otter based water type pokemon?Ultimos-11 06:38, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me, but I think you should read that trivia again.

It says "Mijimaru is the first Water-type starter Pokémon to be based on a mammal as well as the first mammalian starter not to be of the Fire-type."

So, we are talking about Water-Starter Pokémon not a normal water type. Buizel and Floatzel are not starters ya know. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 06:44, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

"...as well as the first mammalian starter not to be of the Fire-type." Um, Eevee, Pikachu, and others came before and are not Fire types. Gliscorguy54 20:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Ability

On the Demo released for Black and White when this Pokémon enters battle it starts raining. That means it has the ability Drizzle. Can someone add that? --Lucario and Pichu 01:32, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Mijumaru was sent in second; that means nothing. The player and Bel could have easily been on a route where it rains. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 01:46, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

It was a wild battle against that electric Zebra Pokémon. And there was clearly no rain in the overworld before the battle started. Could someone please translate the text in the wild battle screen? --Lucario and Pichu 01:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

There is also rain in the battle between Mijumaru and Tsutarja at 0:25 in the video.--PhantomJunkie 02:01, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the more I look at the video, the more I think that since this is a demo, the rain might be an arbitrary addition to show weather effects in battle. It's raining in every battle that Mijumaru takes part in, but the hiragana doesn't match the Japanese for either Rain Dance or Drizzle.--PhantomJunkie 02:12, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

But its still a version of the game. The developers aren't going to just make it rain in battle. If there smart they'll make the demo closest to the game as possible. --Lucario and Pichu 03:22, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

If you pay attention closely during the battle during the wild Shimama, you can see that the rain effect doesn't show up between turns, meaning that they either changed the weather mechanics so that you aren't reminded every turn about the weather, or that (natural) rain doesn't have an effect on the actual battle (as opposed to rain from Drizzle or Rain Dance). Of course, even that's speculation. In any case, it's not confirmed that Mijumaru has Drizzle, so we shouldn't put it on the article yet. ~ solaris 03:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Just thought I'd add in here that with the higher quality video that we've gotten, you can clearly see the rain in the overworld. ~ solaris 04:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay I can see it now. Never mind. --Lucario and Pichu 13:41, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Shell Blade

It should be noted that Mijumaru's shell appears to be detachable, as it is holding it in the poster for Best Wishes. It seems likely this is how it will use its Shell Blade attack. --Phred 06:41, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

The preview for best wishes shows it using as a shield, so it shouldn't just say attacking....Ataro 06:56, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Typo

• Mijimaru is the first Template:Type2 starter Pokémon to be based on a mammal as well as the first mammalian starter not to be of the Template:Type2.

Can we get a "Miju" out of the "Miji", please? Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 13:37, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

After several conflicts, it's been fixed. --☆CoolPikachu! 14:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Ash's Mijumaru

Ash was seen commanding a Mijumaru and beating the smack out of Dento's Yanappu...so shouldnt sair Article be protected? (if it isnt already) Ataro 11:41, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Way ahead of you there. —darklordtrom 11:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Also, shouldn't it be added that a Mijumaru is owned by Ash in the anime section? --samm -- 21:56, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

It's not confirmed, hence the protecting.--Cold (talk) 22:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I saw the trailer too. I saw a Yanappu then behind it I saw Dento so I guessed it was a gym battle then I thought it would be battling against Ash and then I saw a Mijumaru and just behind it I saw Ash!--KayKay|Chat to me! 12:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

• sigh* What have we explained over and over for years? WAIT UNTIL THE EPISODE AIRS. --ケンジのガール 23:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I know, I know--KayKay|Chat to me! 23:30, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Mijumaru and the evolution were made from the image of the Japan(samurai).

It is described to the developer interview of the magazine named pokemon pia. It is described that the animal that makes it to the theme is a sea otter and a sea dog. The sea dog will appear after it evolves. Sawamular101 18:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

the heck is a sea dog? (all I get is actual pictures of dogs) so it's another fan interpretation proven correct? Ataro 18:21, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

It was Sea lion(アシカ/ashika). Sawamular101 18:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

This makes the starter evos look more real.....Ataro 18:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

The mistake was able to be noticed thanks to you. I thank you.Sawamular101 18:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Third evo type?

Has it been confimed that the third evolution is simply water, like it's listed under the evolution section? I only ask because it may have a secondary type and we probably shouldn't list it as Water until confirmed otherwise. EpicShadow 16:57, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

1. no and 2. no starter changes it's primary type..ever...and never will...when it's fully revealed it'll be changed..Ataro

Special Abilities

Would it be okay to mention that the shell on Mijumaru's belly is able to be removed and used as a weapon? EpicShadow 13:56, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

a pale yellow seashell feature in the center, which can be removed and used in various ways.

Read article first.--でんのう ☢ Zえんし 14:03, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I am aware of that but... because this is an ability that is most likely uniqu to the Mijumaru family I think it would fit better under Special Abilities. Could we move the part about it being used as a tool? EpicShadow 00:09, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

English name

The English name for it is Oshawott, as said on the official site. It's Turtwig A! My talk or wiki edits 23:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Originwise... surely it's a sort of spoonerism of "Ottawosh?" "Otter" and "Wash," but with the syllables mixed up. Constantmotion 23:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Really? I could have thought it was a mix of "ocean" (or at least the way it sounds), and "water"+"otter", shortened, obviously. Omnis 00:03, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Oshawott is a combination of Oshawa, a city in Ontario Canada, and Otter. It's also possibly a pun of "Ocean water". Ninterror 01:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I'd agree, as Oshawa can mean "The crossing place" or "Crossing the river", and it was along a major fur trading route. --Dragoon 18:44, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• should it be a trivia that Oshawatt is the only obtainable starter that starts with a vowel.Ashanddawn4evr 00:55, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• Somehow I don't think this should go under "Pokemon with unknown English names" anymore. >_> -57 01:27, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Name Origin

Maybe its name is based on OSHA. It's the Occupational Safety and Health Administration Water Otter. He walks around with a clipboard, and hands out OSHA violation notices. (This is a joke.) Mefredbob 09:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Jokes belong on the forums, not on article talk pages. In all seriousness, I think it comes from Ocean and otter. No idea where the W comes from. Water maybe? --Andy^P_K^M_N (talk) 13:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Oshawott name origin

Has anyone considered that its English name may come from Ocean + Shell + Water + Otter? I think that shell is where the "sh" comes from and then it is combined with the similar sound in "ocean". I think the "wott" just comes from water and otter. NightSky 18:36, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Kind of possible, might be a pun on multiple things including that, and not just that.--Dragoon 18:43, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I heard somewhere about Oshawa meaning "crossing the river" in one of the native american languages. Possibility here? --Pyritie 02:21, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

It does not - 050294 02:32, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the 'Osha' comes from the city in Canada or perhaps George Ohsawa. Look him up on Wiki, he was born to a poor samurai family, which may be the reference. I think the best idea would to include all of these possibilities. MoonlitEevee 03:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I read this somewhere and I'm just throwing it here, because I think it seems fitting: ocean + shell + water + otter = Oshawott. Nick., something to say? 04:16, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I think that the name orgin being a combination of George Ohsawa a samurai and otter make the most sence. Look at it's evolutions they highly resemble samurai. - unsigned comment from Pokemaster97 (talk • contribs)

Admin?

Can an admin look over the name origin section in the trivia to see if everything in it is right? Right now it just seems like some of the info isn't notable enough. --Landfish7 22:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

We don't know the name orgins because we are not the creators. It's basicly common sense and opinion so there really isn't right or wrong. People who don't know relly needs to stop editing the page before it get's blocked. :\ Pokemaster97 23:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)