Talk:Ditto (Pokémon)

Egg group

I'm pretty sure Ditto's in the No Egg group. While it can breed with any Pokémon besides those in the No Egg group, it cannot breed with another Ditto, implying that it is, itself, in the No Egg group. -Ketsuban

Ditto is in a special egg group called "DITTO" (you know how the game likes to use all-caps for Pokemon names). This group allows it to breed with anything other than a Pokemon in the "No EGGs" group or the "DITTO" group. This is what allows Ditto to breed with Pikachu or Staryu, but Suicune can't breed with other Pokemon. --Meowth346

I thought you could breed two Ditto and get another Ditto. surskitty 23:01, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Nope. Stupidly. ~Ketz

Ditto is able to breed with other Pokémon ostensibly because of its ability to transform into other Pokémon. If it was paired with another Ditto, it wouldn't have anything to transform into, and since Ditto are genderless, would therefore have no reproductive organs.

Makes perfect sense to me that two purplish-pink blobs can't mate with each other. --17:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)Ozzie

Does that mean that Ditto can breed with Lucario?Optimus35 03:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Anything but legendaries means anything but legendaries. Lucario isn't legendary. Therefore, of course. TTEchidna 04:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Er Thanks...Optimus35 08:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

didnt in in the II gen games if you put Ditto in the day care by itself turn into two dittos (most likely because it duplicated like a cell)--Kittenchild 02:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

So I can't have a Lvl.1 Ditto? TESHIGIGAS 18:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

In the same note of discussion, how was the Steps to Hatch a Ditto Egg reached? Hack?

The data's in there for all Pokémon just in case you somehow (usually hacking) manage to make an egg of it. TTEchidna^G_SDS! 07:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm.....

Ditto in the Anime could morph into any other pokemonn but keeps it size in some cases , but in the TCG it keeps its beaded eyes , that just makes wonder , can the Pokémon that ditto morphs to in the TCG be exceptions or special forms?--Nobody777 12:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't think so...D: Not sure... *is currently in Science-ICT class at school* Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 12:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

i think the info above should be mentioned in the trivia about the beaded eyes. to be honest nintendo shoud confirm this--Nobody777 13:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Trivia

Though worthless to do, can't u breed 2 Dittos and get another Ditto?--KukiTalk 15:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

No. You cannot breed a Ditto with a Ditto. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 17:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Really... interesting--KukiTalk 18:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

It's confusing, but it makes vague sense since Ditto has no gender. Remember, non-gendered Pokémon can't be bred, even with Ditto...it's "Unknown"-gendered Pokémon (Magnemite etc.) that can. Ditto has a unique egg type as well, we assume it breeds with everything except itself and None. LordArceus 00:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

While not made true in the games or implied in other sources: Considering its physical structure, does anyone else think that Ditto reproduces asexually? -- HechEff 18:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

It probably does, but since no official sources imply or otherwise indicate this, it doesn't belong in the article. It's pure speculation, and it's just as plausible that a fixed number of Ditto were created by Arceus at the beginning or time, and they lie dormant until bothered in the tall grasses. Or maybe Dittos are actually single cells from Mew's body that have grown much larger. — Laoris _(Blah) 18:30, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

That... actually makes perfect sense. It would explain why the both of them can use Transform while no other pokemon can...Kiryu 00:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Learn every move

Can't ditto learn every move with its move transform?ryan 00:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

But since it doesn't keep the move permanently, it doesn't go under the Learnset section. - _s.Combusken 00:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

  Ok i was just wonderingryan 14:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm guessing that means the Rage cheat doesn't count? Gliscorguy54 20:46, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Cheats and glitches don't count. Werdnae (talk) 20:51, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Color

Sould it be noted that, in all sprites exept Gen. 3 Ditto's color is purple, but in its Gen. 3 sprite it's pink ? ryan 15:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

no cos to me it looks pink all time and in Yellow it Yellowy-green.GoldsWigglytuff 10:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

It is purple in it's sprites except for the 3rd generation, however it may be less of a colour difference and more of a shade difference Bioness 13:40, 11 December 2010 (UTC)Bioness

Buggy Moves

In my Pokemon Diamond game, I was using Ditto to catch Pokemon. After using transform on and catching a Primape, combat ended with Ditto still looking like Primape (duh). After that I got into another wild battle and Ditto was Ditto again, but with Primape's moveset. I am making an assumption that you can potentially make Ditto a permanent clone move-wise this way, anyone want to experiment? Crenel 21:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

never happed to me and my ditto, if was a bug in your game then you are lucky. and what do mean experiment? I can experiment.GoldsWigglytuff

Wha? I've heard of this happening... was this a Japanese game or the international release? TTEchidna 23:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the stupidly late reply, I don't visit here much (obviously). Anyway, the description I left above is still accurate. It has been traded between several players, gained over 30 levels in daycare, gone back and forth over Wi-fi, and been used in many battles since I originally left this message, yet it still knows the Primeape's moves. It has not effected or hampered my breeding at all, either. In fact, I bred that same Primeape with the Ditto to get a Mankey later on.

I own the US version of Pokemon Diamond (purchased at my local Gamestop).

The Primeape in question was caught with an Ultra Ball and caught on Route 225 (of course) if anyone wants to experiment with this. Basically, go into any battle with your Ditto, use transform, and then catch the Pokemon you transformed into while Ditto is still your active Pokemon. Then, check Ditto's moves to see if they have changed. If they haven't, try it a few more times and see if it works. Also, I am pretty sure my Ditto was holding Quick Powder at the time as well.

Ditto right now knows whatever moves a level 52 Primeape knows, which off the top of my head are Cross Chop, Rage, Swagger, and Thrash. Crenel 07:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Forgot to mention, I own no cheating devices nor do I have access to them. and my entire game is legitimately played. Crenel 07:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

something like that happened to me but i found out how to fix it using a move deletor then going underground and finding a heart scale then using a move tutor Leftywright 23:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

if a shiny ditto Transforms will it Transform in a shiny whatever

if it don,t then saud be in the page GoldsWigglytuff

It did, but won't anymore. TTEchidna 23:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

cool, when did it solpGoldsWigglytuff 10:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Gen IV is the first game where it becomes, shiny or not, whatever it turned into. TTEchidna 19:30, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Title

The Transform Paradox: I changed the title because this example is not actually a paradox. A paradox is an extended contradiction, this is not. - unsigned comment from Manowargodsofwar (talk • contribs)

True, yes, however, a paradox is also an infinite time loop that self-contradicts. The contradiction here comes in the never-lowering PP of Transform for both Pokémon, remaining locked at 5. TTEchidna 19:29, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

There is no contradiction in this at all. Both using Transform is nothing more than a deadlock. An infinite time loop the self-contradicts would be going back in time to kill your grandfather and succeeding. - unsigned comment from Manowargodsofwar (talk • contribs)

I have a question, does this only apply with two ditto, because mew can transform and can learn other moves. Because it seems to me that only Transform the move is copied, but I thought transform copies all the other Pokemon's moves, so wouldn't a match up between a mew and a ditto (as long as Mew has other moves) be an exception? --Dman dustin 09:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

It works if Mew Transforms into something with only Transform. Say you have a Mew with Transform and Psychic. Psychic has 10 PP. You're facing the exact same Mew. You use Transform. Both Transform and Psychic have 5 PP apiece. You can use all 5 Psychics you have now, then Transform and the PP will be at 5 again. It only locks you in if you have only Transform. TTEchidna 11:36, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Right that's what I meant, the locking, not the transform reseting the PP. Okay good to know.--Dman dustin 20:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Regarding that...in my Crystal, my Ditto battled a wild Ditto. My Ditto constantly transformed, but the wild one kept having its Transform for no reason whatsoever. As a result, Struggle came about... ^ht14 02:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Shiny Ditto Glitch

What the F...lareon happened to the glitch to get a shiny ditto in G/S using R/B, if no one knows what I'm talking about here's how (altough it's old and I think you all know):

1 Capture the shiny Gyarados in G/S and ransfer it to R/B 2 Teach Gyarados Mimic and erase all his other moves 3 Battle a wild Ditto with the Gyarados, mimic him and transform a few turns while it transforms 4 Capture the Ditto and transfer it to G/S it will be shiny

Notes: I'm not sure if it's a requirement but all of the times I used the Pokémon Stadium 2 (For both transfer and Doduo GB).

Sorry I don't have a video or anything but try it out, I didn't directly affect the article but I'll edit it if no one answers this in 10 days. --Sword zero001 06:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The egg's a glitch, that's how breeding worked in Generation II. See the last part of the trivia. You just got lucky because of you got a shiny Charmander. And I think the shiny Ditto trick is also mentioned somewhere. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 23:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

The glitch has nothing to do with the Shiny Charmander I only wrote that to reference but since I confused you I'll delete it.--Sword zero001 16:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Ben 10 in Trivia

An alien in the television series Ben 10 shares a name with Ditto. However, unlike the Pokémon, the alien Ditto can simply multiply, and gets its name when two of them say the exact same thing at the exact same time. Don't tell me this belongs in the article. Ben 10 has absolutely nothing to do with Ditto. I don't want to start a revert war, however. Kiryu 00:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

To be honest, it's not surprising that the name "Ditto" is used, since it's not Pokémon specific...Θρtιmαtum_Talk 11:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Ditto Breeding

Ok. all up and down this talk page (and on the Gender one) it says Ditto can't breed with Ditto. And yet, I'VE DONE IT! In both FR and Pearl (Don't ask me to remember GSC, cause I don't, and I didn't have 2 dits in Ruby or Sapph, and never owned LG, Emerald, or Diamond) Either whoever failed has a dfective game, or I do. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic. 19:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Plz to be proving this with a YouTube video proving that no Action Replaying was involved. TTEchidna 20:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

You're very lucky. But I agree with TTEchidna, please at least provide some video proof if you ever manage to do it again.--Project Harbinger 14:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

One Move

Ditto isn't the only Pokemon that only learns one move, the same is true of Unown. - unsigned comment from DrStubbsberg (talk • contribs)

Until Platinum, it was also true of Beldum. Smeargle also only learns one move, though it learns it up to 10 times. Wikifixer 04:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Ditto can (or at least could) permanently learn other moves

I had to create an account just to point this out as I was very surprised not to already see it in the article. I remember doing this with my friends back with gold/silver (don't know if it works in further generations). Ditto can permanently learn ANY move. When I used my ditto on pokemon stadium, it listed his moves as red, indicating that ditto shouldn't have those moves and that it's an exploit, but I wouldn't think that would stop it from being noted. Here's how, in case you pokenuts don't already know (which you probably do):

Take a smeargle. Put it up against a pokemon with the move you want ditto to learn. Use sketch on the move so smeargle permanently learns it. Level smeargle enough so he learns sketch again. Make sure sketch is not in the first slot, because otherwise ditto will lose the ability to transform. (doens't stop the trick from working, just stops you from doing it again). Link up your cartidge with the smeargle on it (and in your party) to the cart with the ditto on it. This "records" the trainer's smeargle on the "ditto cart", so that the ditto can battle the smeargle. Make them battle. Have ditto use transform. When smeargle uses the move you want ditto to learn, use the copied sketch. Poof. Ditto permanently retains whatever move you want.

I had a ditto with horn drill, fissure, guillotine, and lock-on, which always came as a shock to opponents. (though not much of a challenge as he's so weak). Does this exploit belong in the article? Probably never going to post again, Farsight001 13:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

It's under glitches. -Sketch 14:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The Sketch page states that it cannot be used when transformed, therefore this should not work. Does that statement there concern only Gen III and IV? If it does, it should be listed under Gen III and not directly under the Effect header. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 18:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Problem

In the trivia section, on the point about Pokéthlon stats, you've written it's instead of its. - unsigned comment from Mattiuscn (talk • contribs)

Yeah. You can fix that in a month. Right now we're trying not to touch the pages too much. Makes it easier to fix things technologically later down the track. —darklordtrom 08:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

No Trainers use Ditto?

"This is likely why no Trainers have Ditto in the Generation IV games" - I can't verify this since I don't have any Gen IV games, but I recall a schoolboy on the Vermilion - Olivine leg of the S.S. Aqua journey in the original G/S/C who used a Ditto. I was wondering does this trainer still use Ditto or does he have a new party in HG/SS? --Bardock 08:38, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

He still uses one. Saxton Hale 15:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Also on HGSS, a scientist in the team rocket souveneir shop hideout had a Ditto. Flyingtypefan 07:27, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

How can it breed at all?

If Ditto is genderless, how is it able to breed at all? You would need a male and a female to complete the breeding process.--Project Harbinger 14:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I read something about asexual something something.. the thing is, I can't remember what it was exactly.. Alexjuuhh 18:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

I have wondered this too because if anything ditto were to transform and it would copy that Pokemon exactly. So if you have a boy dragonite ditto would transform into a boy dragonite, and if it did try to turn its self into a girl wouldn't it just mess up. (just thinking logically don't hate) - unsigned comment from Underdog114 (talk • contribs)

Transform affects experience gain?

A friend of mine claims that a Ditto will give more of less experience depending on what it Transforms into. Is this true? I sustain is isn't but I'm having a rotten time actually finding any Dittos to check. He claims this is in Emerald's Desert Underpass, if it affects any (I'm looking in HG). Vhazhiphor 00:36, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Transform Paradox?

When I was playing in Emerald, I used a Ditto with a high speed to battle another Ditto, my Ditto used Transform first, then the enemy couldn't use it, because Pokémon can't Transform into already Transformed Pokémon, so I kept using Transform, which ultimately restored it's PP, and the enemy couldn't Transform. It eventually used Struggle, I kept using Hyper Potions, the enemy fainted, and I won. But, in that article, it says that the battle should last forever. Pawsrent 20:53, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

According to the transform article it was made like that in Gen II. I've reworded it so that it now (correctly) only applies to Generation I. Werdnae (talk) 21:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Tickle

The pokedex says laughing makes it unable to hold its form. When you tickle someone, laughing is a natural reaction. But Tickle doesn't make it revert to its normal form. I tried to add this (someone else did too according to the page's history), but someone said that "nothing says ticking would make it laugh." I personally don't see how the move would have an effect then. What other point is there to tickling? Am I missing something? --LynnCreed 20:07, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I dont think the actual move tickle should even have an effect

(and tickling is not the only way to make someone laugh) (Ataro 20:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC))

I didn't say tickling is the only way to make someone laugh, I said laughing is the only natural reaction to tickling, so i think the comment is warranted in the trivia section. --LynnCreed 16:08, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so. Maybe Ditto just isn't ticklish. --AndyPKMN 16:42, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

But i think one pokedex entry says that that it can't help but laugh when tickled, - unsigned comment from Benboy803 (talk • contribs) .

Ditto and Mew

Ditto and Mew are pretty similar...

Weight: Both are 8.8lbs

Gender: Both Genderless (Yeah, probably insignificant)

Colour and Shiny Colouration: Both are naturally Pink and have Blue as their shiny colour

Transform: They both start with Transform

This might be a bit silly/weird but it's nice to note.

Perhaps we can add this to the Trivia, if not all then at least some?

--♪ Jason Tong ♪ 02:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Breeding

If a ditto and a male blastoise were to breed would the squirtle that hatches get all stats from the dad even the ones that are usually obtained from the mom contact me http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Underdog114 - unsigned comment from Underdog114 (talk • contribs)

Correct me if i'm wrong

Doesn't Ditto have the same cry as Poliwag? Benboy803

Zoroark and Ditto

If use Zoroark to battle Ditto, Ditto cant transform as long as Zoroark is in the illusion form. I encountered this in Pokemon Black while battling a wild one. My Zoroark was in the illusion form of Reshiram. The Ditto kept using transform but the game would say it failed. Curious I tried battling another Ditto with Zoroark in another illusion form and it still couldn't transform. My Zoroark is the one from the shiny legendary beast event. ZoroarkRuless11 23:17, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

That is quite interesting. :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 23:18, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Although it is interesting, please don't add it as trivia. Thanks. :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 23:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

There, added it to the Transform article, which is really the only place it needs to be. Blazios 23:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I think it should be added to the Transform, Ditto, and Zoroark because it affects all of them.- unsigned comment from ZoroarkRuless11 (talk • contribs)

No, because Smeargle and Mew can also know Transform and Zorua can have Illusion, so it's not directly related to Zoroark or Ditto. And sign your comments with four tidles (~~~~).----無限の知性 ◎ ＤＥＮＮＯＵ◆ＺＥＮＳＨＩ 14:03, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

DQM

From what I see, Ditto's shiny form looks like a Slime, the mascot of one of Pokémon's competitors Dragon Monster Quest. The first DQM game was realeased in 1986, and shiny Pokémon were first introduced in 2000. Should this be noted? Pgj1997 13:16, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

One Move only?

Can Ditto learn a "temporary" move? My Ditto did a Struggle after being taunt.Hello. I am Taposa. 13:27, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Yup. 皮卡丘 兄弟