Talk:Chespin (Pokémon)

It is so far the only Grass type Pokemon starter not based on a reptile. Chomper4 (talk) 13:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

• Feel more comfortable saying, "based on a mammal" rather than "not based on a reptile" (Oshawott had it worded that way, though that might be different :/ ). Guess that classification between dinosaurs, birds, lizards thing mixes up what classifies as a "reptile" for me. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 23:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Category

Category:Generation VI Pokémon needs to be added to the starters' pages. I'd have done it myself, but the pages are protected --PenBlooeR 14:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC

Name Origin

In the Name Origin section of the page Chespin is called "Chestpin" which I think is an error. I can't correct it because the page is protected. Water Max (talk) 16:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I think his name may be based on a porcupine too. Chestnut and porcupine. It may even look like a porcupine. Milde (talk) 16:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

It could be based on Chestnut and Spin, which is related to Sonic the Hedgehog, since all of the other languages have something related to hedgehogs. No? Dragonace (talk) 20:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I think Milde was right, is a porcupine (Spanish "puercoeSPIN") like the Kanto legendary birds ends with a spanish word. --EricZangano (talk) 06:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

"Chespin" is also an anagram of the word "pinches." A rubbish anagram of it, but an anagram nonetheless. I'm aware that this particular nugget might currently be too banal even for an internet wiki, but if we ever find out it evolves into something called Chessnat, then hey - looks like I've got anagram corner covered. Especially since it does look a little bit like a chestnut. With a squirrel inside. Do all chestnuts have that? Constantmotion (talk) 02:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

• Japanese: From hedgehog and chestnut
• French: From hedgehog and chestnut
• German: From hedgehog and chestnut
• English: From chestnut and pin?

??? --PenBlooeR 04:24, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

This is the main reason I think it might be an anagram! Usually I'd not say anything, given what a long shot that is, but there's got to be something clever going on with that name, it can't be from "pin," why would it be from "pin?" "Pinches" is the only other word I see in there. Pine, maybe, but chestnuts and pines are two different things. Although, maybe it's "Pin" as in "Porcupine?" With the E removed for consistency later in the evolution line. I don't know. I think Chespin's going to make a lot more sense when we see his brothers. Constantmotion (talk) 09:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I still think porcupine makes more sense than urchin. Isn't urchin a sea thing? --PenBlooeR 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I think they removed the "e" just for sound reasons. As other names are from hedgehog, the English one is from porcupine, but "Chestpine" wasn't good enough, so they removed the "e", since the sound is still the same. Tano User talk:Tano 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

What about about chestnut and spine? That fits with the other languages' hedgehog theme. - signed comment from GoldenCelebi (pedia talk • news talk • archives talk) 15:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Another name for hedgehog is urchin. It's got that "in" at the end. That's all I got. Edit: Apparently that infos already been added, oh well.Scarabola (talk) 15:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

I think that porcupines and hedgehogs are similar enough to allow the English origin to fit the other languages just with chestnut + porcupine. However pin is fine too, since it has something to do with porcupines and hedgehogs. --Tano (talk) 16:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Gender ratio

Are we sure that's the gender ratio? We're not assuming it has Overgrow... --Abcboy (talk) 21:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Numbering

Following numbering tradition, can we assume that for now it's 650? --M.vit (talk) 23:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

No, because Snivy isn't 494, Victini is. We can't make any assumptions. --Purimpopoie (talk) 23:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Plus for all we know they might change up the order. Doubt it but who knows until they actually reveal officially. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 00:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree. They might change the Pokedex numbering, like they did with Black and White route numbering. I think we should just play it safe, and wait until they officially announce it. User:PokemonSeaandSky

Pokédex

Under Regional Pokédex numbers, why does it say Not in any regional Pokédex instead of unknown Pokédex since it has to be in a Pokédex and it is too early to put that it was not in one? PattyMan 23:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Design Origin

Shouldn't we add that it appears to be based on a chestnut and possibly a porcupine or hedgehog? --CoolDudeAl (talk) 01:30, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

• Yeah, it should also be trivia'd that it is the first grass starter not based off of a reptile. Chomper4 (talk) 03:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

• Or at least the first grass starter based off of a mammal. Weren't Bulbasaur and Chikorita based more on an amphibian and a sauropod respectively? Thought amphibians and sauropods were separate from reptiles. :/ need to brush up on my zoology ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 22:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

You're right, we know that dinosaurs are more similar to birds than to reptiles (they're not birds however), but if I remember correctly, in 90's that was still unclear. Well, Chespin is absolutely the first mammal-based Grass starter, unless it doesn't change in one of it's evolutions. Tano User talk:Tano 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

• I have to correct myself and NateVirus here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur -> "Rather, they represent a separate group of reptiles with a distinct upright posture". So dinosaurs are indeed reptiles, and so Bulbasaur and Chikorita are based on reptiles. Birds evolved from theropoda, a group of dinosaurs (still reptiles). I also asked a biologist friend of mine and he confirmed, making it sound pretty obvious. Tano User talk:Tano 18:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

So, yes, every single Grass-type starter was based on reptiles, as Bulbasaur is a Dicynodontia (a taxon of anomodont therapsids or mammal-like reptiles), and Chikorita (or rather Meganium) is a Brontosaurus, and both are reptiles. Theothers are a gecko, a turtle and a snake. Tano User talk:Tano 18:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

It's enough to simply say it's the first based on a mammal, rather than the first non-reptile. Like how Piplup is noted to be the first bird Water starter, and Oshawott the first mammal Water starter. It's a little redundant to note that Chespin is both the first mammal and the first non-reptile. Crystal Talian 04:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

They're both trivia of the same importance in my opinion. It's pointed out that before Chespin every other grass starter was based on a reptile. That's an information you can't grasp just by reading that Chespin is the first mammal. What are the others? birds and reptiles? No, they were all reptiles before Chespin, wich is also the first mammal. It simply gives more (correct) informations. --Tano (talk) 16:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

"Was" vs. "were"

In the last sentence of the introduction, the word "were" should be replaced by "was" -- just a grammatical fix. EricDLee (talk) 02:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Language correction

Now my French isn't that great but marron is used to refer to the colour chestnut not the actual nut. châtaigne would be more accurate for the nut. Although Chespin would match the colour chestnut it might make good trivia. ~Elso133

I had definitely heard of marron used to refer to chestnuts and, according to Wikipedia, it specifically refers to ones of high quality.--MisterE13 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Trivia

And what mammal is chespin based on? Why don't we just say "Chespin is the only grass type starter that is not based on a reptile"? Mesuxelf 19:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

From the names, it implies to be based in a hedgehog. And to be honest, we should not focus on trivia right now. There are a lot more important things to take care of at the time. Masatoshi_talk 20:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)