Talk:Dawn's Togekiss

Gender

In DP172 Dawn describes Togekiss as being very older-sister-like, and Togekiss' speaking style (as translated by Meowth) is very feminine... would this be enough to consider it officially female, or do we need something more substantial than that? 梅子^❀_✿ 19:17, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I would say it's not enough. Is Harley officially female? --エルレイド 19:24, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Togekiss's speaking style is, in a way, even more feminine than Harley's, actually. 梅子^❀_✿ 19:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

If Ash spoke with a feminine style, would you consider him female? We have had female characters in the past using male pronouns (which confused the heck out of Ash and co.), plus it could be a bit of a joke on Meowth's part for all we know. Until it's flat-out stated that Togekiss is female, we don't know if it is or not. See Pikachu for example. --エルレイド 20:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

The way it's presented makes it pretty clear that it is not a joke and is a sincere representation of Togekiss' gender... I'm not really sure how to explain it, though. It's a nuance of the language that's not easily described. Let's wait for the input of some others before we write off the idea completely. 梅子^❀_✿ 20:11, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I think I know exactly what you're talking about. Anabel used the masculine version of the language. Does that mean she's a guy? Also, gender roles aren't so solid anymore. Just because nuances of language were once associated with females doesn't mean they still are, especially in this day and age.

Pikachu acted like a guy for a long time before we finally caved in at the Togepi episode and confirmed him as male. Behavior and language are not acceptable reasons to declare someone male or female. Trust me, you're not going to get any of the admins to side with you. --エルレイド 20:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Comparing Anabel and Harley to a Pokémon is ridiculous...They aren't the same thing, plus, its noticeable that both are of respective genders...If Togekiss acts like a female, has a feminine voice and mannerisms, it's basically female...--Psy_ライダー☮ 20:26, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

But did we do it for Pikachu, Meowth, or any other Pokémon? I don't think so. We waited for them to be referred to as male or female in the original. --エルレイド 20:30, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

There was a debate over Meowth's gender? Anyway, there's probably more evidence for it's Pokémon ability (Serene Grace).PDL 01:04, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Acting gracefully is not evidence for Serene Grace whatsoever. --HoennMaster 17:26, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

The point I'm making is that there's more evidence for that then there is evidence for it being female. (Besides, it doesn't appear to have Hustle...) PDL 01:48, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

It's the complete opposite. There is more evidence for it being female then its ability. --HoennMaster 06:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

You're still not getting it. Mannerisms alone will not determine anything. Regardless of either ability OR gender.PDL 17:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I never said they did. I said there is more evidence for it being female. I didn't say that confirms it. --HoennMaster 18:06, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I know it, the japanese voice states like his prevolutions! --Ash Ketchum Chile 14:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Um... what? This sentence doesn't make any sense. --ケンジのガール 18:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Togekiss being female needs to be removed and replaced with gender unknown if it never explicitly stated Togekiss was female in the anime. Having a motherly instinct doesn't mean it's female. I mean, it could also have been a male Togekiss with a parental instinct. Misty has pictured Pikachu in dresses before and yet Pikachu is male so I think the Togekiss gender should be listed as unknown until explicitly stated in the anime. It's what we do for all the other Pokémon right? Should be no different from this one. (Was Togekiss comfirmed as female in the anime? If yes, then it can be left as is). --Brats817 02:46, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

We are not getting into this argument again. Togekiss is female. Period. The end. 梅子^❀_✿ 03:11, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me?! Does that give you the right to be rude? That was my first time posting here, and besides, if Togekiss was never explicitly called female in the anime, it should say gender unknown until further notice, not posting fan speculation junk. And besides, answer my question, WAS Togekiss called a female in the anime flat out? Because I honestly am not 100 percent sure, and do not give me an answer that is just pure speculation. I do know that they said Togekiss had a sister-like personality, but they didn't explicitly say Togekiss was female in general, they were just stating Togekiss's nature. Behavior of the Pokemon should not be enough to call it a particular gender. (Unless the Pokémon has only one confirmed gender or is genderless) I am not trying to be rude or argue, only trying to confirm whether Togekiss was really called a female in the anime or if this is just speculation. You had no right to be rude, especially when you didn't even put an honest and true answer to my statements there. --Brats817 21:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

The only one who's being rude here right now is you by overreacting Ataro 21:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

All I wanted to know were the facts from the anime, and not people being rude at me for it. I am not the one who started being rude, "You" people were. All I wanted were honest answers, not someone barging in and posting a rude comment, so it's only natural I overreacted a bit. Anyways, this is my LAST comment here, this board is too out of hand now and post all of the nasty comments you want as replies because that just shows how immature you people are. Good day. --Brats817 21:50, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the person who's name is Brats817 is the mature one....ok like Umeko said...discussion over Ataro 22:22, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Size Inconsistency link

Although the link links to the size discrepancy page, Togekiss is not mentioned on that page? Either it's notable enough to be considered trivia and it be on the discrepancy page or it's not notable enough and it shouldn't be on the discrepancy page right? --+ Joeshie + (is Mæ!) 06:30, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Evolution?

It says "This Pokémon has not evolved" and Togekiss is the last in its evolution line?Miscs 12:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

They all say that for every Pokémon that gets caught without seen evolving. Whether it has another stage or it doesn't. It's just the way it is. --ケンジのガール 00:45, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Ability

Doesn't she have Serene Grace? The article itself describes Togekiss as "graceful" and/or having grace multiple times. ☆GamerGeek☆ 06:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

That has nothing to do with the Ability. No. Ataro (talk) 07:03, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I just checked back the episodes in which she appears, and both Dawn and Salvia describe Togekiss as "graceful" themselves. Besides, I don't think she would have Hustle if she were that graceful, and she can't have Super Luck since Hidden Abilities (or the Dream World for that matter) didn't exist at the time. ☆GamerGeek☆ 14:40, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

It's nothing to do with its ability, its just in Togekiss's nature and personality. It was raised by Silvia, meaning it wants to so off its elegance and grace. Serene Grace has nothing to do you "being graceful" but boosts the likelihood of added effects of move being activated. Waterninja12345 (talk) 14:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC)