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Mr. Daikon (talk) 22:41, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Preview button

Hey! Next time you edit an article, you can use the preview button at the bottom left of your editing screen. This will allow you to view your edits without actually saving them officially. That way, you don't have to edit an article several times in a row. Just a heads-up. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 22:13, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for reminding me of the preview button. If that helps, I happen to know a bit about how MediaWiki wikis generally work. I've been using the preview button to some extent, though I'll try to remember to use it more often and avoid editing an article several times in a row. I'm still learning about some Bulbapedia-specific things like policies, templates and such. I've been reading the links given above, like the FAQ and other pages. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 22:36, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Oh, okay. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:01, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello

Hello. Thank you for your recent contributions to the manga sections. However, as word of advice, when writing summaries about a character's role in the story, you must use past tense instead of present tense. Second, Adventures is a very plot-heavy series unlike the mostly episodic anime. As such, it's preferred that you only reference a character's appearance in a certain chapter if it's actually relevant to the story as a whole. If all they do is appear in a chapter and nothing more, then it's best to just omit it entirely. Ataro (talk) 15:57, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello. OK, thanks for letting me know about these things. Thanks also for reviewing and editing the two pages I recently created--Green's parents and A.

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About character appearances:

This makes complete sense to me, I'll remember it: "If all they do is appear in a chapter and nothing more, then it's best to just omit it entirely."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect a cameo from an "unexpected" character like Professor Elm, Lanette, Brigette and others in the Epilogue might qualify to be mentioned in the character histories nonetheless.

This is different from incidental appearances, like some of Green's parents' appearances that you edited out from their article.

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About the past tense:

I don't mind using past tense, I'm fine with using whatever style rules Bulbapedia prefers. However, I've been a little confused because it seems that (contrary to what you said above) most Pokémon Adventures character histories currently use present tense (Red, Green, Blue, Giovanni, etc.) A few use past tense (Agatha).

If it were up to me, I would suggest always using the historical present tense. I know this isn't Wikipedia and none of Wikipedia rules apply here, but I'd like to note that Wikipedia has the specific rule of using the historical present tense as said in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction, basically because that's how we experience the story. It's always the "present" when you read the manga, or watch the anime, or play the game.

Anyway, that was just a suggestion. Bulbapedia:FAQ and Bulbapedia:Manual of style don't seem to mention the tense anywhere, so I'm curious about whether the website really has formal rules about it or if people have been choosing the tense based on their opinions, which would explain why some pages use the present tense and others use the past tense.

PS.: Some pages like Yellow currently seem a little messy to me, concerning the tense. That one uses mostly present tense ("She then learns of the legendary evolutionary stones") with some past tense randomly distributed around the page ("she protected the Day-Care Couple from Team Rocket"). --Daniel Carrero (talk) 17:23, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Also, please avoid adding chapter subsections for minor characters (such as Grunts) that don't really accomplish much in the story. They're mainly for important characters, as they have larger summaries and the subsection makes it more convenient to read. Ataro (talk) 03:43, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

OK. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 09:46, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Creating articles

I forgot to tell you this earlier, but the next time you create an article like you did with Green's parents, I recommend creating a sandbox article first. That way, you can experiment with the content before it's mainspaced. Some articles require permission to create and sandboxes circumvent that a little during the wait times. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 22:18, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Alright, thank you for letting me know. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 23:10, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:16, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Going to have to remind you to create sandbox articles first before getting them mainspaced. You need permission from the staff to create articles like the ones for the Pokémon Newspaper Strip. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:25, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

I noticed you added the "cleanup" template in some of these articles. Is there anything specific you think is needed to improve them? I was promoted to the staff a few months ago. I'm currently a Junior Admin. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 05:37, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh, you were promoted? I did not know that. You did not add any manga-related templates to the bottom of the articles, as is required for all articles. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:52, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for pointing that out. I added the manga-related templates to the bottom of these articles now. Please let me know if there's any other cleanup-related issue. For now, I removed the "cleanup" template from these articles, but if there's anything else, I don't mind readding the "cleanup" template, or cleaning them up. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 07:28, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Okay. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:33, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Creating redirects of Japanese names

Hey! I noticed you created the ミク redirect link. I'm not sure how necessary that was, because I have never seen any other redirect links for characters' Japanese names. Perhaps you need to consult an admin on that. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:58, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello. Actually I've seen quite a few redirects for characters' Japanese names before creating that one, so that appeared to be the normal thing to do.

Examples:

I've also found some some Japanese redirects for Pokémon, moves, items, places, TCG cards and so on.

The full list (katakana version) starts from ア, here it is:

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:AllPages?from=ア

The full list (hiragana version) starts from あ, here it is:

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:AllPages?from=あ

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 12:08, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Never knew that. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:04, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Preview button again

Hey! I'm going to have to remind you to use the preview button. I notice your six edits to Seafloor are only a few minutes apart. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:44, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

You're right, sorry about that. Thanks for reminding me to use the preview button. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 05:45, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:46, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Redirects

Please don't create redirects for extremely minor characters, they are unnecessary and no one would be searching for those characters. Also, don't create redirects for things that could have multiple meanings and could refer to multiple articles. Thank you.--Force Fire 05:06, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

OK. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 05:23, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Game pages structure

Can we please keep the info in the games pages under the same sections for all pages? The pages were each in a different arrangement, and I've been trying to build a pattern for them. If we keep creating new sections for everything that comes to mind, it's going to become a mess again. Nothing wrong with new information, as long as we keep it organized. Suic (talk) 15:49, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Suic: OK. It looks like you are doing a good job. I appreciate that you are seeking a consistent format. I apologize if I deviated from the pattern before, it's just that I saw a mess of different arrangements as you mentioned, so I was not sure which exactly to use at the moment.

If you are interested, you may want to check generation pages like Generation I, Generation II, Generation III, etc. to see if they are able to fit the pattern. I'm only saying this because they currently repeat much of the information found in the game pages, including game features, and they have some sections in common with the game pages. But it's OK if you are not interested right now, this is just an idea. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 19:02, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

I can take a look later at the generation pages to see if they need any fix. I'll let you know then. Suic (talk) 21:40, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

OK. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 00:33, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

From what I saw, generations pages seem much more consistent with each other than games pages did. There are some minor details like the title screen sections, and generations VI and VII have some extra sections that maybe can be merged into others, but in the overall I think the pages are pretty good as they are already. Suic (talk) 02:52, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Suic: That's good, thanks for checking. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 13:49, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Talk page policy

Hey! You're not allowed to post on discussions whose last posts are over 6 months old. You're not guaranteed to get a response that way. If you wish to continue the discussion, start a brand-new section. Thank you! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:24, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

OK. I created a new discussion at Talk:Mirage Mountains. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 23:25, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Okay, that's better. :) GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:27, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

This is a common misconception. If you read the Talk page policy, the rule is specifically "Unless an old conversation is still relevant and there is a good reason to revitalize discussion, comments on sections older than six months old should not be made."

Six months is merely a guideline for determining when a conversation is finished. However, if there's a discussion about moving/merging/etc. a page, and the notice template is still up, then the conversation is necessarily still active. In such a case, you should be using the existing section, in order to keep the discussion in one place. --SnorlaxMonster 02:25, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm confused, then. If someone posts a new comment meant to continue an old discussion, doesn't that mean the conversation is still active? If so, that rule sounds pretty redundant. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:29, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

The point of the policy is that normally old discussions have already been resolved, so there's no point trying to revive the discussion. But if there's still a notice template on the page, then obviously it hasn't been. --SnorlaxMonster 06:36, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I suggest finding a way to indicate certain discussions have been closed. Sometimes I've seen people posting on old discussions that clearly have been closed. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:41, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Just as a possible idea, maybe a bot could archive discussion pages automatically like Wikipedia seems to do sometimes. I'm not saying we should do it, it's just a suggestion if it helps.

About the current move discussions (Mirage Mountain, Mirage Cave, Mirage Island (Generation VI)), I guess it's reasonable to think that a discussion is still open if there's a move template still on the page. The template even says: "Please discuss whether or not to move it on its talk page."

But maybe these moves should have been done already. These discussions are open since 2015. Few people replied yet, but everyone seems to agree with the moves so far. This could change, but there's been 100% support so far. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 13:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

There's also the rule from Bulbapedia:Manual of style: "In most cases, titles referring to a specific group should be kept singular, such as item rather than items." --Daniel Carrero (talk) 13:29, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Formatting

Hey! Please don't use redirect links to link to articles. For example, [[anime]] is not the appropriate usage; {{pkmn|anime}} is. If you want further info, please consult the list of templates. Thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:43, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for fixing that. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 05:48, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I had not realized yet that [[anime]] is not the appropriate usage. Thanks for letting me know. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 05:49, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:49, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I just told you not to use redirect links to link to articles and you still did it anyway. Please review the list of templates, or simply open the link in another tab to check it before saving the edit first. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:02, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

OK. I should have checked that edit properly. My intention was just restoring the titles and formatting them as wikitext headings. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 06:06, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I already fixed them a while back. Please be mindful of how something is linked and try not to change it unless you already know the original link is a redirect. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:08, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

OK, I understand. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 06:25, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

It's two talk pages in a row, I'm going to say the same thing here as on Raltseye's talk page: please don't suggest direct links are always better than redirects, especially not to other users; it's a misconception. I mean, generally, yes, they're better (so please be careful, Daniel), but there's no rule that always requires the use of templates or direct links, and that's a good thing (if you seek more detailed reasons why, please start where I linked to, and then click some links I posted there).

Quite certainly, I would've linked [[Trainer class]] myself (at least had there been no link before). Nescientist (talk) 08:44, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Nescientist - I see. Thank you too.

I guess in practice some of these redirects don't hurt. They point to the same page anyway. Then again, it would be a problem if we started having multiple pages named "Trainer class" for some reason (which is a hypothetical). I see that the templates are better. I'll remember to use the templates. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 21:28, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

No problem. I believe using direct links (and templates) should be the default; if you deviate and decide to use redirects, you should have a reason. (...and/but changing redirects to direct links should be carefully considered, too.) Nescientist (talk) 22:32, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages

I can tell you like making disambiguation pages, but please consider their purpose. They should be a list of pages that someone searching for a given term could conceivably be intending to find with a given search term. So for example, someone searching Red could quite likely be looking for a page like Pokémon Red and Blue Versions or Red (game), but I don't think they would actually be looking for Red Card. Please keep this in mind, and don't just make disambiguation pages for the sake of it. --SnorlaxMonster 11:31, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

OK, I understand. I'll keep this in mind. I'll slow down on creating disambiguation pages. I'm thinking my main focus at the moment should be the TCG games for GBC. Maybe I should also do some research concerning friendship in various generations, since that page has a request at the top. I edited the friendship information and values for Generation I recently.

Anyway, if I'm not mistaken, the page Red was pretty big even before I touched it: Red - revision from 3 May 2019.

That page already had Red Chain, Red Scale, and Red Gummi. It's true I added Red Card there. I guess I saw a pattern. As in, if we had a disambig page with those 3 prior items, then I guessed at the time that Red Card fits as well. But that could be just me. Again, I'll slow down on disambig pages. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 14:42, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Splitting/Moving

If you want to split or move a page, you must ask for permission on the talk page first, do not go splitting/moving the page without staff permission. Thank you.--Force Fire 04:33, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Specifically, the talk page of the article in question. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:45, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

I recently created about 99% of the spin-off content at Pokédex that I had moved to Pokédex (spin-off games). Here's the Pokédex article before I touched it: revision 3033369.

I could have created the separate spin-off page in the first place instead of adding it to Pokédex and then removing it a few days later. That said, OK, I asked for permission at the talk page now. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 05:00, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Pinball

Hey, it's really great that you're adding information about Pinball, but could I ask that when you do on item pages, you include a bit more detail? I haven't played the Pinball games, so I find the item descriptions somewhat lacking.

For example, on the Fire Stone page, you added "the player gets three Fire Stone symbols". How does the player get these symbols? Are symbols the equivalent of items in Pinball (and thus have their own page)?

Likewise, on Master Ball, you mentioned that the Master Ball gives a higher points multiplier. How do you get a Master Ball, and how do you use it?

Basically, I would really appreciate it if you could write sections so that someone who hasn't played the game can gain an understanding of what the subject's role in Pinball is. --SnorlaxMonster 01:02, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Alright, I think I understand. I'll see what I can do to write content for people who haven't played the game. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:54, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Do you think symbols could have their own page? I think the different language Experience symbols are a bit excessive on the pages they are currently present on, but on a generic symbol page they would make perfect sense. --SnorlaxMonster 09:48, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

OK, I see what you mean. I created Evolution Items (Pinball) now. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 18:36, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Redirect edit request

BlackDiamondShipping is protected, but the linked page redirects to a redirect page (after I moved List of nevermet shippings to Nevermet shippings because ArcToraphim forgot to move the so-called "shipping redirect"). Please fix that. --TheICTLiker4 19:05, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

You MUSTN'T have redirected to the page in the Shipping namespace. Please fix that. AGAIN. --TheICTLiker4 19:15, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Look again. Is this what you had in mind? Let me know if that page needs anything else. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 19:18, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. --TheICTLiker4 19:19, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 19:22, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Preview button/Pokémon template reminder

Hey! Just so you know, you used a regular link for the Squirtle article as opposed to the regular {{p}} template. Please make sure you preview the links you use before actually publishing your edit. Thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:14, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks for fixing that link. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 06:09, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:16, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Template Approval

Hey, I was wondering if you could please check over and, if they're all good, approve some templates I made for this page. They're templates for Alolan and Galarian forms that simply put a little (Alolan) or (Galarian) under the Pokémon's name for the regional forms in the list. Thanks in advance!
These are the templates:
Avail-1A
Avail-1G
Avail-2G
Avail-3G
Avail-5G
Gameskiller01 (talk) 23:11, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi. I edited the existing templates, now they automatically recognize if the current form is Alolan or Galarian based on the "A" or "G" of the Pokémon number. :) So I think maybe we won't need multiple new separate "Avail" templates for that purpose. Thanks anyway for all your work on the availability page, I appreciate it very much. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 00:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, that works perfectly and is even better than what I was trying to do. If I'd known that was possible I would've done that instead haha. And it's no problem, I use the page frequently myself so I figured it was about time I started contributing to it. Gameskiller01 (talk) 00:42, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Congratulations on the staff promotion! --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:14, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! :) --Daniel Carrero (talk) 20:15, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Unknown Origins Pokémon Template Approval

Hey, as I discussed here I thought it could be a good idea to move Meltan & Melmetal to their own little section on this page because of their unique status, or alternatively move the Let's Go games as a whole to their own section. I felt like the former suggestion would be the easiest and likely least controversial for now, so I created this template, which can be seen in use here in the Sandbox, and I was wondering if you could check over and, if everything's all good, approve the template for use in the main page. Thanks in advance! Gameskiller01 (talk) 13:12, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Gameskiller01 - Hey, thanks for the ideas. :) I think moving Meltan and Melmetal to a separate section looks like an improvement in the availability page. I moved your template to the main namespace and tried to use it in that page. Please check if it all looks OK.

That said, I think we probably shouldn't move Let's Go games to their own section in the availability page. Almost all the Pokémon available in LGPE are Gen 1 Pokémon, which can simply be found in the Gen 1 table. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 13:22, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, that's brilliant. I did make some small tweaks to keep the sections' consistency with the rest of the page, most notably changing the name of the section from "Meltan & Melmetal" to "Unknown Origins Pokémon", since that matches better with the rest of the article and is their official designation in Pokémon Home, but overall I really like the change.
I do agree that we shouldn't move the Let's Go games to their own section, at least not for now. I think that if more Let's Go games get released in the future then the idea could be worth coming back to, but for now I think it works perfectly the way it is. Gameskiller01 (talk) 14:18, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

NIWA FEW

Hey, looks like the link template for Fire Emblem Wiki + links to the FEW main page need to be updated. As I mentioned on the NIWA talk page, the URL for the main page changed some time ago and now every instance of the link 404s. RotaRaichu (talk) 01:13, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

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 :That said, I think we probably shouldn't move Let's Go games to their own section in the availability page. Almost all the Pokémon available in LGPE are Gen 1 Pokémon, which can simply be found in the Gen 1 table. --[[User:Daniel Carrero|Daniel Carrero]] ([[User talk:Daniel Carrero|talk]]) 13:22, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 ::Thank you, that's brilliant. I did make some small tweaks to keep the sections' consistency with the rest of the page, most notably changing the name of the section from "Meltan & Melmetal" to "Unknown Origins Pokémon", since that matches better with the rest of the article and is their official designation in Pokémon Home, but overall I really like the change.<br>I do agree that we shouldn't move the Let's Go games to their own section, at least not for now. I think that if more Let's Go games get released in the future then the idea could be worth coming back to, but for now I think it works perfectly the way it is. [[User:Gameskiller01|Gameskiller01]] ([[User talk:Gameskiller01|talk]]) 14:18, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
+== NIWA FEW ==
+Hey, looks like the link template for Fire Emblem Wiki + links to the FEW main page need to be updated. [[Talk:Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance#Fire Emblem Wiki| As I mentioned on the NIWA talk page]], the URL for the main page changed some time ago and now every instance of the link 404s. [[User:RotaRaichu|RotaRaichu]] ([[User talk:RotaRaichu|talk]]) 01:13, 20 October 2020 (UTC)