Talk:Sevii Islands

Names

Is there a reason why we're using the names found on the signboards instead of on the town maps and menus for the islands? (Or does it differ by version?) - 振霖_T 09:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Y'mean Knot, Boon, Kin, etc.? Well, I can't speak for those who made the articles, but I would assume the signboard names are the proper names of the islands, and One, Two, Three, etc. are used on the map and menus for simplicity's sake. --Pie 02:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Then why do all the characters in the game refer to the islands as One island, two island, and so on? They are only mensioned Knot island and such once, on the signposts. Personally, I beleive the signpost names are just nicknames, as every other source refers to them as the numbered names. Also, changeing them back would also help to aleviate a lot of confusion, as people useing this wiki would be most likly useing the numbered names and would have no idea what the signpost names mean. Noname

Since no one has replied, I'll assume everyone agree's with me and that I have permission to move them to their proper names. Unfortunatly I'm too lazy to do it right now, and I want everyone to have a chance to post objections and such. Noname

Um, I think it's the other way around. One Island probably is just a nickname for Knot Island. Tina^☆♫ 18:16, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

While that seems to be the popular consendous, that does not make it true. There is absolutly no proof of that besides the breif mension on the signposts. Noname

Just because the signpost says doesn't make it true. Okay, because then we oughta move Masara Town back where it belongs. After all, Pallet Town is just a nickname. TTEchidna 02:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I think that was sarcasm. If so, then I should mention that they are called the signpost names in only one context (the signposts) and they are called one island and such in every single other medium. Not only is it on the maps but every single character refers to them as one island and such. There is nothing to suggest the numbered names are not the proper names, and unless we get proof it is all speculation. If that was not sarcasm, then thanks for agreeing with me. Noname

The maps indicate nothing but the towns' names as One Island, Two Island, and so on. The proof is in the games, they're Knot, Kin, Boon, and so on. TTEchidna 08:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Towns? Don't make me laugh. Half of those can hardly be called towns and the obvious reason why the maps refer them as such is because that's where the pokemon (OMG no capitalization!) centers are located. Also the seagallop takes you to "One Island" not "Knot Island" and really, what is the point of nameing towns as islands? It's illogical, and as I said before, all the characters refer to them as the numbered names. If you look down a little bit, you'll see a quote by Bill calling it one island. Noname There. Is. No. Proof. Only. Speculation.

Route 4? Route 10? Both have Pokémon Centers, yet they aren't towns. The town of One Island is quite a bit more developed than Kindle Road is; heck, it's bigger than Pallet. I mean Masara. Pallet's the nickname.

Plus, well, we've had the characters calling things wrong names before. Game scripts aren't perfect. What the best thing to do would be is to go to the original Japanese script, translate what those signposts say, and see if it means anything.

...and then we'd need to make One Island (island). Like hell we're removing the towns. That'd be like calling Celadon "just a place in Kanto where there's a Pokémon Center". TTEchidna 18:28, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, Navel Rock and Birth Island. If those two have names why don't the others? TTEchidna 18:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Look, Pallet town has been called that in many forms of media, but the signpost names are only mentioned breifly, and not even by a character. The one island town consists of the comunications center and a couple houses, and should be considered more of a settlement. And unless we have proof that one island and such are nicknames we will have to call them as the game does. ...Celedon city is a very large and important city by the way, but the Sevii Islands settlements are usually small and unnamed. I'm not suggesting we get rid of the town pages, just that we return the island ones back to where they belong. Noname And as for Navel Rock and Birth Island; no idea. They are event islands so it could mean all manner of things. Perhaps they didn't want to name them 8 and 9 islands?

By the way, I've been reading the pokemon special manga summaries on serebii.net (very detailed summaries I might add), and noticed that they refer to one island as simply one island, but is is known as the knot island (that means it's a nickname). Granted it was a summary (I already said it was detailed though) and the manga is not nessesaraly regaurded as canon, but it's the best we've got and almost certainly proves that one island and such are the real names. Noname

But then that is speculation. I say that, because the eighth and ninth islands are known as Navel Rock and Birth Island, the rest of the islands themselves are known as Knot, Boon, Kin, and so on. Maybe the "small island" Bill is talking about is the actual little island the town is on, but the overall mass made by Treasure Beach, One Island, Kindle Road, and Mt. Ember is Knot Island. After all, Route 28 doesn't technically enter Johto; the western portion is known as "Silver Cave". They have the exact same wild Pokémon, though.

And as for its status as a "settlement". What the hell is Pallet? Red's house, Blue's house, Oak's lab. Nothing else. At all. The Sevii towns are small on purpose, otherwise they might as well have included Johto in FRLG. Hell, Three Island is bigger than Azalea! If that's a settlement, then Azalea's just a drive-thru whale in the middle of a field.

And the signposts are in the games, therefore, the games do seem to imply that that's what the names of the islands are. That's the proof.

Plus, um. Serebii. Yeah, the guy who uses the direct romanization and doesn't update the summaries when new information is added (of course, it's pretty much him alone behind the thing so yeah). Plus, the issue with those cross-canon things is that there's always always always more of a chance someone will screw up and name it wrong. After all, Lapras used Cold Beam once... TTEchidna 19:45, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Look, I may be doing some speculation of my own here, but the it sure is more proof then you've brought here. All you have is "maybe's", and that just isn't going to cut it. So why don't you figure out when you've been beaten and change the names to the ones widly accepted by most people? Now I don't really care about the "town/settlement" problem, do what you want with that, but the special manga has the best portrayal of the games of them all, and we don't really have any other sources for the debate. Noname Also, please don't bash serebii. I don't see you updating those Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2 pages, and all the (manga's) info checks out with what we have here. (He didn't even write those summaries, some guy named "Coronis" did)

Name origin?

Nanashima means "seven islands", but what about the vii in the English "Sevii"? Could it be from the Roman numeral VII, seven? --TTEchidna 04:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

East and southeast?

Why east?

Bill says: "There's this little island in the far south called One Island."

Far south, as opposed to east. I've always thought of that as further south than the Orange Islands, so them both being south wouldn't be a problem.

It's because the guidebook artwork has the little ship that takes you to the islands going east, so people tend squabble over whether it's east (like the picture) or south (like the in-game text), so it's just easier to say southeast. --Greengiant 01:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

That's stupid. Why does SeaGallop have to be Sevii-exclusive? There can easily be islands or other landmasses to the east. Does the S.S. Tidal only go to Lilycove and Salteport? No, it also goes to other places, like the Battle Frontier. So, why can't the SeaGallop? I vote that southeast is replaced with south. - Jonah 01:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I agree. But perhaps there is other evidence I don't know about. --Greengiant 05:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)