Talk:List of sync pairs

3 attacks

Since now sync pairs with 3 attacks are a thing, shouldn't someone edit the template to allow it to have 3 types of attacks?--Zarxiel94 (talk) 08:59, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Bumping this, Leon only has 2 types displayed right now, whoever has the ability to edit the template should do so. Meanscreen (talk) 06:15, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Giovanni (Main Universe)?

Since we consider Giovanni from FRLG as possible, I think we also should consider e.g. Hoenn leaders from RSE also possible, because they are from another universe too Asmod96 (talk) 19:41, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

main universe Giovanni appeared in Masters media, for this is considered. RSE Gym Leaders don't--Zarxiel94 (talk) 22:22, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

He's here, but he just wear old clothes. Ταυφιϙ (talk) 14:58, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Interlude 7

Since Lear, Rachel, and Sawyer are playable in Interlude 7, shouldn't they be a part of the list of sync pairs?--ConNix 18:15, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

You can't properly use them... is just for that fight, is like Parker. If we add them we should add Parker too. Another opton is to add them but seprate from the others since the others are actually usable anywhere--Zarxiel94 (talk) 18:27, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

The're scoutable now. --Ταυφιϙ (talk) 03:22, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Evolved or not?

Should we use the icon of the evolved form or of their pre-evolved form? I'm absolutly convinced the evolved is the better option. Is far more important gamewise, and is the form where they take their actual sync move and moves, after all, the pre-evolved form is something that stay for so little that is barely important, since you can get so easly evolutionary items now, and people can still see the pre-evolved form from the name. Like for exemple Dusclops -> Dusknoir.
So... yhea, I don't see actual reason to give more importance to a temorary form instead of the definitive one.--Zarxiel94 (talk) 12:33, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Actually, thinked just now... the evolved form icon is more usefull even because if one day we will get a Pokémon with split evolution and different form, the previous form will not show what he will became. Yhea we can still just write the form name, but I don't think will be efficient like show the image of it. Let's make an exemple. If Paolo will be avaible with Rockruff that evolve into Lycanrock Dusk Form, we will just show Rockruff image, and Rockruff can evolve in any of the 3 forms. But if we show Dusk Lycanroc, then there is no confusion, because Dusk Lycanroc just have Rockruff as pre-evo. I mean, exist branched evos, but not branched pre-evo. If you know the final evo, you know even the pre-evo without need of read, but if you just know the pre-evo, you can not know the evo without reading. So, showing the final evo will:

• Show the form more relevant gamewise
• Show the definitive form instead of a temporary one that players will just evolved a bit after obtained it
• Will be more efficient in the case we will get Pokémon that have branched evolutions (like the exemple of Paolo), and the image will be more of impact since just seeing the image you will already know what you will get without read anything, making it more efficient

So yhea... there is no true reason to leave the pre-evo image, if someone don't know if a Pokémon heva a pre-evo and take Dusclops for exemple, just the fact that here is showed Dusknoir will tell him Dusclops can evolve in a more direct and fast way, resulting so a lot more efficient. --Zarxiel94 (talk) 12:46, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

While I'm not strongly inclined as to which image we show, ideally the pre-evo image is the best one to show. Firstly, the list should show how the sync pairs are obtained (i.e. with their base form), and this corresponds with how they are presented in the Dex and Sync Pair Scout. Additionally, players may choose not to evolve their Pokémon, and thus showing the evolved form will not reflect what everyone will have. Also, how easy it is evolve them, and how relevant they are to gameplay (strength etc.) are not parameters we should be taking into account here. Even if Paulo were to be obtained as a sync pair with Rockruff, I don't think it'll be confusing to the reader as to which form it evolves into (plus this is only a hypothetical scenario regardless). Wowy_(talk) 10:20, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Not completly, let's take Selene for exemple. Her gimmick is all around Spirit Shackle, a move that she gain only with Decidueye, now in the last in-game guides, the sync pairs are refered with the evolved POkémon instead with the base one. For exemple, the suggested team for the Ground team is Rosa & Serperior instead of Snivy.--Zarxiel94 (talk) 16:35, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Anabel, Looker and Hala

They are confirmed in the sound files of the game:

https://github.com/gamepress/jsons/blob/master/pm/20180830/FieldTalkVoice.json

they are: 161-Hara (Hala), 178-Lira (Anabel) and 217-Handsome (Looker) --Zarxiel94 (talk) 18:00, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Uhh, even it's confirmed in the sound files? they're not officially confirmed.

--Taufiq (talk) 17:48, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

We never had problem to show things confirmed in the datafiles, so, make no sense have problems to add them after nearly 2 years we put datamine stuff before any official confirmation--Zarxiel94 (talk) 09:21, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

The fact that soundfiles exist means that they were at least planned to be put in the game at some point. This makes them valid to be added in that table, in my opinion. After all, we even list characters that got featured in that old animated trailer from 2019, despite the fact that there's absolutely no guarantee that they will ever be added to the game. All these months have shown us that DeNA probably doesn't even care about that old trailer at this point, yet we still list those characters. --Maxim (talk) 09:47, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hala and Looker are in Pokémon Masters EX, now we're waiting for Anabel. Ταυφιϙ (talk) 14:56, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Drasna

For who is wondering. She is confirmed by sound files. Some her sound files was added in the latest version of the game apparently: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gamepress/jsons/master/pm/FieldTalkVoice.json

her ID is 155 for who want to check.--Zarxiel94 (talk) 09:50, 14 June 2021 (UTC)--Zarxiel94 (talk) 09:50, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Meowth playble?

Well... seems people find out there is some data about Meowth as sync pair, since was found an ID for him (258) and a quote about him being get as sync pair.

I have NO IDEA on how consider that... if he should be placed with the "upcoming" sync pairs or not... so... for now I will not doing nothing, but... is weird...--Zarxiel94 (talk) 20:42, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, better not putting anything for now. My guess is that either he’ll have the Shiny Celebi as partner or they’ll use the same system used for wild Pokémon like in the Solgaleo battles to have him playable as both “pair” and Pokémon, but we’ll see - if he ever becomes playable as he seems to be tied with the promotion of Secrets of the Jungle, that for now is on hold.—Mister Wu (talk) 00:02, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Sidney confirmed

To remove any doubt. Sidney is indeed confirmed, since a guy was registred as Sidney voice actor for Masters. So is legit.

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--Zarxiel94 (talk) 08:18, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Main character position

Since the OC are listed in the bottom, wouldn't make more sense add the main character there too? Since he technically belong to the category of "OC"?--Zarxiel94 (talk) 11:24, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Grimsley (Alola)

So... why we can't add Bisharp for him, but for Ryuki and Paulo add Tortunator and Rockruff is fine? What is the difference? All three aren't used by any sync pair. So... why Paulo and Ryuki yes, but Grimsley no? Make no sense. Or everybody or nobody. The excuse of "but we don't know if he will have that Pokémon as playble sync pair" by this logic, neither Paulo and Ryuki. So...--Zarxiel94 (talk) 20:27, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Unless I am missing some information from datamines, Grimsley (Alola) does not have known partner now, at all. Paulo and Ryuki are different in a way - their NPC versions appeared in cutscenes before, with Rockruff and Turtonator as their partners. You can't just put some guess in - you have no evidence to base it on. Itan (talk) 21:18, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Is not a guess, is from the datamine. Grimsley (Alola) from the information I founded is a boss, he have a landscape () and he use Bisharp (https://pm-random.github.io/characters). So, I was putting Bisharp not for a guess, but because dataminers founded Grimsley (Alola) as a boss with Bisharp--Zarxiel94 (talk) 22:14, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

May not mean anything. Plus, Bryony is more likely to get Bisharp. Chomper4 (talk) 22:18, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

I thought that too, and I thinked Grimsley (Alola) would get Krookodile, but then I founded he actually have Bisharp... and others TF admins already run out of Pokémon. I think DeNa will just give to them things they never had (after all, they gave Pheromosa to Lusamine and Pinsir to Noland, while TA already run out of Pokémon, while TM have only Camerupt left, so since they are confirmed, this mean at least 3 of them will get Pokémon never used in maingames). Btw, how you can see, nothing of what I wrote before was a guess.--Zarxiel94 (talk) 22:29, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Team Magma also has access to Claydol and Team Aqua actually has access to Muk and Wailord. Chomper4 (talk) 22:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Buck will likely get Claydol, Muk probably to Ariana, since is the only option left. Wailord is possible.--Zarxiel94 (talk) 23:22, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Can we leave the section for his Pokémon empty for now? Chomper4 (talk) 23:50, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Why? With the datamine we already know who will be the Pokémon.--Zarxiel94 (talk) 06:58, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

It might not always be the case. Chomper4 (talk) 09:11, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

By this logic, we should remove Rockruff and Turtonator then, since they was added for the same reason I want to add Bisharp. And after more then 2 years, in ALL occasions where a non-released sync pair is showed with an unused Pokémon, that Pokémon ended up being his actual Pokémon, no reason to just ignore Bisharp--Zarxiel94 (talk) 09:33, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

It could just be for that one battle and nothing more. Also, I think Ryuki and Paulo are on a different boat than Grimsley (Alola). Chomper4 (talk) 10:29, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Why? There is LITERALLY no difference between them. If the point was to add a Pokémon weak to Fighting for the event (since the type of the new sync pairs are: Steel, Rock, Fighting, Fighting), Bisharp is weak only to Fighting, meaning, if they wanted to 'hide' the Pokémon, they could have just used Liepard or Sharpedo, since both are weak to Fighting. If they used Bisharp, mean he WILL have Bisharp. Is a different case from for exemple Darach, he got Houndoom and Gallade before his release, both Pokémon already taken, but here he have an unused Pokémon, JUST LIKE Paulo, Ryuki and ANY other sync pair first introduced as NPC and then released as sync pair. So, or we remove Turtonator and Rockruff (and would be dumb, because again, ALL NPC sync pairs that got unused Pokémon so far, got that Pokémon when released), or we add Bisharp, because Grimsley (Alola)'s case is EXACTLY the same case of Paulo, Ryuki and ANY other character introduced as NPC with an unused Pokémon. So, Grimsley (Alola) IS in the same boat of Ryuki and Paulo.--Zarxiel94 (talk) 10:38, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

And if he doesn’t have a Bisharp when scouted in his Alola outfit? Chomper4 (talk) 11:48, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

And if Ryuki doesn't have a Turtonator when scouted? And if Paulo doesn't have a Rockruff when scouted? ANY argument you will bring on Grimsley (Alola) can be used for LITERALLY both Ryuki and Paulo, with a little difference... for Grimsley they could have used a Pokémon he already use in his others skins OR use directly one of the others skins instead of a new one. This mean, Grimsley (Alola) have more reasons to have the Pokémon then Turtonator and Paulo. And despite that, we LITERALLY used the rule "if a sync pair is introduced as NPC with an unused Pokémon, we consider that Pokémon as confirmed" for more then 2 years, and this rule revlead to be correct so far. WHY now for Grimsley (Alola) this rule is no more valid despite the situation is the same of Ryuki, Paulo, and all the characters introduced as NPC (like Mallow, Archie, Maxie and others)? If you need others proofs for Bisharp and you don't belive me, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6b8cMOjiMs--Zarxiel94 (talk) 17:02, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Told you--Zarxiel94 (talk) 11:07, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Sync pairs datamined in the beta?

I was wondering... we should count the sync pairs of the beta? A lot of them datamined there was actually released but... the remaining are... actually slightly different: Red (Classic), Cheren (Classic) and Camilla, and all of them have a proper mindscape. The first two have a text on the face, missing on the others that was released, while Camilla... she is an OC, so, we should ignore them until one of them being released or confirmed?--Zarxiel94 (talk) 17:56, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Camilia was confirmed as Tina and she was in the game. --Ταυφιϙ (talk) 03:15, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Chuck

Can we actually considered Chuck as confirmed?--Zarxiel94 (talk) 08:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm thinking only if Professor Burnet can be considered confirmed, as she's mentioned as being on Pasio by Kukui in Pokémon Center conversation (though this was a while ago and hasn't come to fruition). True, Chuck is more directly involved, but they are in such similar situations that it would only seem fair to include either both or none. I wouldn't be opposed to considering both, but I'll ask around. Dougbro1 (Talk) 12:51, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Then I guess is better remove until we get some actual source of Chuck being confirmed. Mentions don't count, or, like you said, we should count Burnet. I have no doubt about Chuck being added in future, but there is nothing official confirming that...--Zarxiel94 (talk) 16:46, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Unknown N alts

Just remove it or keep it? Ταυφιϙ (talk) 14:55, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

I think we're safe to remove it. The alt has been fulfilled with Summer N. Dougbro1 (Talk) 14:56, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

No, is not the same of the Summer skin. The Summer skin is called "ch0089_41_N", the unknown one is called "ch0089_10_N" is another skin--Zarxiel94 (talk) 15:01, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

It's actully Sygna Suit N. Ταυφιϙ (talk) 10:18, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Yup, for this the unknown skin was replaced with the SS--Zarxiel94 (talk) 10:39, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

DeNA was planned to add SS N to the game. --Ταυφιϙ (talk) 03:20, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Unknown Blue alt and The Shadow Triad

So what is the deal with the Blue Alt? Do we have a picture of him or is he just in the code of the game? Also, isn't The Shadow Triad just an NPC? I don't think he should be listed as a Unreleased character.--TBR2001 (talk) 04:54, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

In the game's data there is an unreleased skin called "ch0021_10_green", for The Shadow Triad, what is the problem? We got a lot of characters that was introduced as NPC and are still NPC, for this they are there--Zarxiel94 (talk) 06:38, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification about Blue. The thing about the Shadow Triad is that they seem to me to be like any other Plasma Grunts or other generic enemies you face in the game. I don't see them as a special NPC, like Naomi, or Helena. They are not even unique, like the admins of the other villain teams, as they are multiple of them in the Unova Villian Arc. So I don't see why they are listed as an Unreleased character unless there is something in the code that hints that they will be one soon. --TBR2001 (talk) 20:40, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

The Shadow Triad have the mindscape, the grunts don't. If they have mindscape, mean they will be released at some point.--Zarxiel94 (talk) 23:08, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for answering my question.--TBR2001 (talk) 23:48, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Pokemon in "Unreleased Characters" section

Whoever keeps getting rid of characters pokemon in the "Unreleased Characters" section, please stop. In the game, they both battle with Arbok (Ariana) and Weezing (Petrel) in the Johto Villain Arc. Not just them, also The Shadow Triad. They use THREE Bisharps. Please and thank you.----AsherNiX (TaLK) 03:58, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

This edit warring is pointless. Ariana has battled with both Arbok and Vileplume, and Petrel has battled with both Weezing and Honchkrow. Besides, Petrel's mindscape has black feathers in it and he talks to his Honchkrow endearingly in the story, so it's more likely he'll have Honchkrow anyways. We can't say for certain what they will use. Archer and Shadow Triad I concede have not been depicted with other mons, but if someone has been depicted with more than 1 mon, don't say for certain you know who their sync pair will be. Meanscreen (talk) 21:23, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

If I can make a suggestion, for this kind of characters. What about add a note where we specify that since this NPC are only showed with already used Pokémon, we should mention the possibility of have another Pokémon. For exemple, Darach never was showed with Staraptor until his release. As far as we know, Archer could be released with Magmar, I don't think, I think will be released with Houndoom at this point, but is right add a note of something, since this could be not 100% sure. And why wasn't showed Sharpedo for Matt since he only was showed with it?--Zarxiel94 (talk) 06:54, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

I guess because Matt also battled with Kyogre in the story? Not that I think he'll actually be released with Kyogre, but it might be the reason. Meanscreen (talk) 16:31, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

I've actually got a few questions about that section. Let's start with the simple one.

• Why is there a design origin column in that table (but not in the table above it)?
• The text above the table is kinda confusing, I'm not sure why any given character is in the table at all. Are there, like...some who are in game data as playable characters but haven't yet been made accessible? Are there some who were simply announced but no other data was released? Are there some in between? For any such differences, maybe it'd be nice to add a "Status" column or something that says things like "Announced", "Locked game data" or something, etc.
• If the partner Pokemon isn't in locked game data or directly in an announcement, then you shouldn't assume. At best, it might be possible to have a column like, this character has been seen with these Pokemon. (Although, if that's only info from outside Masters, I think it's not worth including. If anyone's eager enough for clues, they can look it up themselves.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:05, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

So, here the reason for each character (excluding the ones that will be released with this update)

• Blue (unknown skin)-in the data was found code for an unreleased Blue skin, this happened for N too, and this code was indeed SS N released with the previous update.
• Chuck, Proton, Petrel, Tabitha, Matt, Shelly, Martes, Jupiter, Saturn, The Shadow Triad, Ryuki, Paulo, Tina-NPC
• Ariana, Archer, Cilian, Chili, Cress-NPC + confirmed in the announcement trailer
• Anabel-founded her data in the Beta (same happened with Looker and Hala, and their release data match the one of the Beta)
• Palmer-confirmed in the announcement trailer
• Benga, Drasna-founded data about them in the game
• Shauna-Voice actress leaked
• Rose-appear his silhouette in the Villain arc image

For the Pokémon, we know if an unreleased character is showed with an unused Pokémon, he will be released with that. The problem right now is... since 3rd anniversary, now dupes are a thing, so some people tend to consider Archer and others with the Pokémon confirmed. I understand why... and I agree some info about that deserve to be at least mentioned, but with a note that specify is not a 100% confirmation and the character could be released with something else.--Zarxiel94 (talk) 21:01, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Pokémon used in the story

So, I noticed a thing. In the story mode all the characters are ever paired with the Pokémon they have as playble sync pair. The only exception for this rule if we have some story relevant pair, like what happened with Lear and Hoopa for exemple. So, we can consider confirmed the characters that appear paired with an already used Pokémon during the story. This mean Matt, and most recently, Archer and Petrel with the Kalos part 2, Pokémon are basically confirmed. And with the last updates, DeNa showed to stop caring of not giving dupes for brand new sync pairs. So, if for you is not a problem, I will add this Pokémon.--Zarxiel94 (talk) 10:37, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Hope to continue the discussion here. How I already said, until now, all the characters that was showed with a specific Pokémon during story cutscenes, they got that Pokémon as playble. Darach, never showed any Pokémon in the story's cutscenes. Yhea, he appear in story, but he never show any Pokémon in any cutscene there, he just use Gallade, but just in the fight, never in cutscenes, while Houndoom is used in Mansion and in the Ingo and Emmet event, but NEVER in the story. Now. The remaining Rocket admins showed their Pokémon in story cutscenes in the Kalos arc part 2. Matt show Sharpedo in Hoenn arc, while The Shadow Triad show Bisharp in Unova arc. Damn, even Malva show Talonflame in Kalos arc part 2, despite she show other Pokémon in the league, but for some reasons, she is fine. And, since now DeNa clearly don't bother anymore to release dupes (they literally released 2 in the last update), I don't see why we should ignore this others.--Zarxiel94 (talk) 08:01, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I do not think it matters. It is possible that they will use different Pokémon instead. Chomper4 (talk) 09:44, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

You have literally no proof about that... since until now ALL the Pokémon they use in the story cutscenes ever matched with the playble one, and before we only considered confirmed the unused Pokémon because we never had dupes, but now, unfortunatly, dupes are thing, so, there is literally no reason to consider them "unknown" aside from "I don't like dupes". WHEN we see a cutscene story Pokémon don't match with a playble one, then we will change the criteria, but making what you want to make have no criteria other then personal preference. Your logic "It is possible that they will use different Pokémon instead." Can be used for anyone that we consider confirmed, so at this point, or we remove completly the Pokémon section for the future sync pairs, or we consider the story cutscenes too, or the only distinction between unknown and confirmed will be "because Chomper said so"--Zarxiel94 (talk) 09:56, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Can we just leave them as Unknown until further notice? Archer could easily use Magmar or Magmortar as his sync partner since he has a Magmar in Let’s Go Pikachu and Let’s Go Eevee. Chomper4 (talk) 09:58, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Melony could easly got Frosmoth and Emma could easly got Malamar, but DeNa said "nope" and gave to them Lapras and Crobat. Before the dupes was a thing, I was 100% agree with you, but now, DeNa clearly showed us they are making dupes, so, what you want to make is pure speculation. Or we use the same criteria for everyone (if they use a Pokémon in a story cutscene, then we conider it confirmed), or we just remove the Pokémon section, because make no sense consider some confirmed and others not just because you like some and others you don't--Zarxiel94 (talk) 10:11, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

If you don't know the sync partner, you don't know the sync partner. Don't speculate. glik^glak 13:50, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I feel like a good compromise is to either remove the Pokémon when Trainers are shown with more than 1 Pokémon regardless if they appear in the story or in battles. For example, Malva is going to get more Pokémon by being in the Champion Stadium, so who knows if she will get Talonflame as her sync pair. With trainers like Cilan, who has only been shown with Simisage, I think is fair to show it as his Pokémon unless they give him another Pokémon later before he becomes playable. The only other compromise I can think of is to show all Pokémon they have been paired with and add this * for clarification. --TBR2001 (talk) 18:06, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I don’t think Zarxiel94 is one for compromises. Chomper4 (talk) 18:23, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm fine with compromise, but here what is considered "unknown" and what is considered "confirmed" is pretty random and speculative. For exemple. Drasna is with "unknown" and I'm totally fine with that, since Noivern, Dragalge and Druddigon are all possible candidates (Druddigon is the less likely), Malva is in the same situation with both Talonflame and Pyroar, but somehow is considered Talonflame confirmed, and that would make sense only if we consider what they use in the story as confirmed, since there Malva use Talonflame. If a Pokémon is used or not, at this point is not a criteria, DeNa already released like 4 or 5 main sync pairs with dupes. What bother me is the "unknown" section is pretty much "speculative" without a true criteria. Before we used the "if a Pokémon isn't used, we considered it", but now, since dupes are a thing, we should change it, for this I'm saying to consider confirmed the ones appeared in the story. So the admins ecc... Tierno and Trevor for exemple should remain unknown, since the Pokémon they used are only as a boss battle, but they never used any in the story (as far as I know... I just saw some pieces of the part 2 of Kalos arc), so they could easly get something else.--Zarxiel94 (talk) 18:31, 8 February 2023 (UTC)