Talk:ROM hack

Notable fangames?

Should some of the more notable hacks be mentioned, or even given their own pages? I'm pretty sure Moe(kko)mon is rather popular right now. File:Ani182MS.gifLime → ♥×♪

I've got two words for this article. Shiny. Gold. Seriously, I mean, that's probably the most popular GS fanremake there is (..I dunno if there are others out there, lol), and I haven't even heard of the one you just mentioned... hell, I've been thinking of playing through SG because I'm stupid and I never played through Johto .____. Tina^☆♫ 17:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Shiny Gold should def be in here. MAGNEDETH 17:38, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Green

Now, what reason would anyone have for translating Green in the first place if its wild Pokémon are used in Blue? TTEchidna 03:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Because maybe "SAid Person" wanted to enjoy the original by translating but IDK why if they are all the same(except for the sprites..)...........CoolPikachu!

because someone is stupid and wanted to make money? -- MAGNEDETH 04:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Yup and my friend found a GBA cartage of S.GoldCoolPikachu!

Whoever they were/are, there translation is bad D: I mean, maybe they did it cos they were bored or something xD Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 06:00, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah or make lots of money -_-CoolPikachu!

Telefang Wiki?

There is a growing Wiki that is solely dedicated to the Telefang series, where the first game of the series that was eventually hacked into Pokémon Diamond/Jade. I'm thinking about adding it to this article because it has some useful information (including the hacks themselves, as well as information about the series in general), but I'm not going to add it without it being okay with other people because I don't want to look like a spammer. Should I add it here or not?

Also, there's a really informative fansite dedicated to the game as well. Should I add that too? Blaziken257 05:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Another GBA Hack Game

I saw this hacked game on eBay. It was called "Perla" and it featured Lucario on the box. The picture even included the manual and it had Lucas on its pages. Probably Diamond/Pearl-based? BlueJirachi 03:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

proof? id like to see. -- MAGNEDETH 03:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

actually, i just did a google search. it does indeed exsist, but there are no game play shots. -- MAGNEDETH 03:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Legal Issues

We really should put up a warning about the legal issues of hacks, if for no reason other than to protect ourselves from being sued --Manga-in-a-bottle 04:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I really don't see any legal issues, aside from the hack carts themselves. Nintendo really doesn't give a damn about hacks or things like that, as long as they're not sold. Vekter 04:08, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Just a Question

I know they're fake and that, but are any of them worth playing. My brother wants ChaosBlack.

What does that have to do with hack games(the article)?--CoolPikachu! 06:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

ChaosBlack is actually...OK, i've only played a 'demo' of it though. Also, the Telefang ones are good, dispite not having anything to do with Pokémon AND the translations make...little sense, its pretty good (: Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 07:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I have Naranja and Shiny Gold on a Game Boy emulator, they are actually very good and naranja is amazing, I'd say they live up to the standard of real games.--Davidaipom 13:35, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I've heard before Naranja is good c: If i find it i will have to play it sometime Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 22:23, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

hack pages

we have articles on fizzy bubbles and fire blasting magikarp. why not these?

Please sign your posts. And i don't know D| Don't ask me, Maybe cause theres not that much information on most of them...But maybe they should...Hmmm Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 22:22, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

sorryWhatswithalltheextraspace 22:33, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

We all make mistakes (; Don't worry about it Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛 22:35, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

It's mainly due to the fact that these games are hacked from ROMs. ROMs are illegal (that whole 24-hour thing is bull****), cartridges containing these hacks are illegal, and we can't have full articles on games that can only be obtained by illegal means.

Besides, buying hacks on cartridges can provide inconsistent results and their boxes don't always accurately reflect its content. Hacks may have gamebreaking glitches that can render the game incompletable; the Diamond/Jade pair have several such glitches. Additionally, boxes containing the Quartz hack have an E for Everyone rating pasted onto it, yet that hack's content would lend more to an M for Mature for strong language, use of alcohol, and mature sexual themes. --Shiningpikablu252 22:41, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

What about cheating, Mew, Celebi etc...--KukiTalk 22:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Cheating devices are OK to have articles on since, although they're frowned upon, legal copies of the game can be used with them. Additionally, Nintendo actually lost a lawsuit over the Game Genie, meaning there's nothing outright illegal about their usage.

These hacks, on the other hand, require an illegal copy of the game to make, play, and distribute. --Shiningpikablu252 22:47, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

woah!!! ALL that? and there are people who dont know its a hack, buy it and get arrested? seems unfair.Whatswithalltheextraspace 22:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Law enforcement targets only those that make illegal ROMs and sell illegal games. I highly doubt you'd get arrested for playing Quartz. --Shiningpikablu252 23:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

oh.Whatswithalltheextraspace 23:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

What if someone made a hack game, but gave it out for free? :\ Would that still be illegal? Just wondering Takoto タコト| サソデイ = 愛

another idea

what if you hack a hack?Whatswithalltheextraspace 20:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

IDK. Take it to the forum, please. --ニョロトノ666 20:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

uhh not to sound stupid but WHATS A FOURM!Whatswithalltheextraspace 21:24, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Bulbagarden Forums. In other words, Talk Pages are not Forums. Use the forums instead. --PAK Man ^Talk 21:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

color cartrige

I noticed that hack games for GBA don't have colored storage media. I think this is one way to differ them. abcboy 20:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

THREE games called "Pokémon Jade"?

When searching for "pokemon jade" on YouTube, I found that there were not one, not two, but THREE different bootleg games called "Pokémon Jade." The most notable one, and the one that everybody talks about, is an Engrish hack of Keitai Denjuu Telefang - Speed Version, and had a counterpart, "Pokémon Diamond" (not to be confused with the one for the DS, but rather a hack of Keitai Denjuu Telefang - Power Version) -- though this is already mentioned in the article anyway. However, I found two other games with the same name. One of them, found here, is a combination of other fake games -- Pokémon Adventure being one of them, but there were a few other games that this fake is based off of. There was also a video on YouTube a while ago (which is unfortunately gone now) showing a Pokémon Jade for Game Boy ADVANCE -- not Color, but Advance. The video didn't show any footage of the game, just the cartridge and box, but if I remember correctly, the cartridge had the deer thing (Shishigami?) that was also on the cartridge for the Pokémon Jade that was based off Telefang Speed. Anybody know more information about these games? Blaziken257 03:25, 15 September 2008 (UTC) There is also another jade version in development-Rabla 20:58, 11 October 2008 (AEST)

To do

• Explanation of the legal issues related to ROM hacking and playing ROM hacks. (In theory it can be legal, in practice it almost never is.) Elaboration on patching versus actual ROMs being released.
• Distinction between bootlegs and fan-made hacks. Remove redundancy relating to "oh yeah zel put in an anti-bootleg screen" and "chaos black is known for being bootlegged".
• Some guideline for notability of hacks. There's a new hack announced every other day at Pokecommunity, but how many actually get finished? Next to none. Diamond/Jade are notable. Chaos Black is notable. Prism and Shiny Gold are notable. Moemon? Debatably notable (I had never heard of it, although apparently it made it onto Kotaku). But unless Bulbapedia starts having individual pages on specific hacks, it shouldn't be considered an index of them.
• Page should probably be moved to ROM hacks, as this by far is the more widely used (and more precise) name.

IIMarckus 13:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I'll get to work on 1 and 2 tonight. 3 isn't really an issue at the time, as there really aren't any romhacks on here that don't belong, save for the Green translation.Vekter 04:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon World Version

Should this be mentioned? Ill get a link soon, im using the wii now so i cant. Pokemon:World Version is a game in develoment. It contains Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Sevii Islands and the Battle Frontier-Hoenn. Its all done in FR/LG graphics.-Rabla 15:40, 11 October 2008

Not notable. There's such a glut of Pokemon hacks out there that there'd be no point in describing it. For that matter, there's already a glut of hacks that purport to add all the regions—funnily enough, I don't know of a single one that made any progress beyond the announcement. IIMarckus 04:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Its already in development, heaps of progress. link: http://worldmaster.proboards98.com/ -Rabla

"Error: You must login to access this forum. Please login below, or register for an account." No thanks. I also repeat my assertion that this will never get finished, just like every other gimmick "all regions" hack. IIMarckus 07:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

If we listed every single freaking hack ever, we'd be better off linking to PokeCommunity. Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links

You obviously did not look at how much they have done-Rabla 18:32, 11 October 2008 (AEST)

I obviously did. Dude, I am a user of PokeCumminuty. I know that everyone put in a LOT of work into their hacks (while I can't really understand how to hack). I know. But if we allowed all the hacks on Bulbapedia, our server would overload and possibly break down. Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links

I agree we shouldnt list every hack game, just the ones that are making much progress, which pokemon:world version is. they are re-doing everything in FR/LG style, and in a short amount of time, they hav made much progress. Hoenn is done except for water routes, and they will be done soon. They even done sinnoh perfectly. Pokemon:World Version has made enough progress to be mentioned. If they stop, just take it off the page. -Rabla 20:53, 11 October 2008 (AEST)

Look at our nomination for admin pages. If you take a real good look, you'll see that the term "If it doesn't work out, undo it" is not a Bulbapedia policy. Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links

Is "Pokémon World Version" far enough to be played? If so, we should have a group of users test it out to see if it's "worthy" to be added. Obviously, if there are too many

slip-ups, it shouldn't, but if it runs smoothly and isn't to hard to figure out, we should mention it. And OPTIMATUM, all you have to do is download a ROM editor (I would recommend a map editor) and start working. Sean... Lord of the Shadows!!! 17:25, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Exact Bootlegs

I was wondering if we should add a section about the fact that some people take the actual games and not remakes or revisions and bootleg them onto GBA cartridges and sell them over ebay, and amazon under the sold by users section. It happened to me on amazon and I have read other accounts of it happening to other people. One of the common things that happens with these bootlegs is there is compatibility issues when trying to use dongle method or the pal park, as well as the emerald save data being erased when Diamond or Pearl is loaded. Here is another account besides my own to whom it has happened link: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4860767] Pazusalmon

ShinyGold

In my opinion, ShinyGold is the best GS-remake-hack and possibly the most honest hack game I've ever seen..... I've watched ShinyGold on YouTube and I've seen how awesome it is. Zel is like a hack saint! I hope I can download it, its so hard! I know a couple instructions, but lots are outdated! Can anyone tell me how to download it? PLZ!--DRAGONBEAST^X 03:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Green Translation: Notable?

I say no. There's no real reason for a mention of a translation of Green to be on here, as Green pretty much is the exact same thing as Blue in the US. Anyone have any reason they want to keep it before I delete it? Vekter 04:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)