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oh ok thank you, it was that last line "The amount of experience a Pokémon needs to gain a level is determined by one of eight possible formulas." I didnt really get till you explained it. I just thought they made the pokemon that way, i wasnt aware there was a formula, if this is in the article, can we have the easier to understand version, your version, underneath the complicated bit. --[[User:Guardian|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Guardian|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] |[[GSDS|<font color="#00FF00">SGMS 2010</font>]]
oh ok thank you, it was that last line "The amount of experience a Pokémon needs to gain a level is determined by one of eight possible formulas." I didnt really get till you explained it. I just thought they made the pokemon that way, i wasnt aware there was a formula, if this is in the article, can we have the easier to understand version, your version, underneath the complicated bit. --[[User:Guardian|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Guardian|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] |[[GSDS|<font color="#00FF00">SGMS 2010</font>]]
:I'll add some clarification to the article later.&nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Laoris|Laoris]]&nbsp;<sub>([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]])</sub> 18:36, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
:I'll add some clarification to the article later.&nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Laoris|Laoris]]&nbsp;<sub>([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]])</sub> 18:36, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
== List of base experence yeald ==
Can someone add this in as a hide able table?
Arceus - 255
Blissey - 255
Chansey - 255
Happiny - 255
Dialga - 220
Giratina - 220
Ho-oh - 220
Lugia - 220
Mewtwo - 220
Palkia - 220
Rayquaza - 220
Regigigas - 220
Togekiss - 220
Lapras - 219
Dragonite - 218
Garchomp - 218
Groudon - 218
Kyogre - 218
Salamence - 218
Tyranitar - 218
Entei - 217
Moltres - 217
Regirock - 217
Rhyperior - 217
Raikou - 216
Regice - 216
Zapdos - 216
Articuno - 215
Deoxys - 215
Heatran - 215
Jirachi - 215
Manaphy - 215
Registeel - 215
Suicune - 215
Abomasnow - 214
Gyarados - 214
Arcanine - 213
Milotic - 213
Exeggutor - 212
Latias - 211
Latios - 211
Magnezone - 211
Tangrowth - 211
Tauros - 211
Azelf - 210
Blastoise - 210
Cresselia - 210
Darkrai - 210
Dusknoir - 210
Empoleon - 210
Feraligatr - 210
Mesprit - 210
Metagross - 210
Slaking - 210
Swampert - 210
Uxie - 210
Blaziken - 209
Charizard - 209
Infernape - 209
Skuntank - 209
Typhlosion - 209
Gallade - 208
Gardevoir - 208
Meganium - 208
Sceptile - 208
Torterra - 208
Venusaur - 208
Kingdra - 207
Mamoswine - 207
Starmie - 207
Kingler - 206
Wailord - 206
Aggron - 205
Tentacruel - 205
Crobat - 204
Drapion - 204
Drifblim - 204
Houndoom - 204
Lucario - 204
Rhydon - 204
Roserade - 204
Cloyster - 203
Aerodactyl - 202
Cradily - 201
Kabutops - 201
Armaldo - 200
Heracross - 200
Miltank - 200
Pinsir - 200
Scizor - 200
Bastiodon - 199
Electivire - 199
Magmortar - 199
Omastar - 199
Rampardos - 199
Weavile - 199
Flareon - 198
Hippowdon - 198
Probopass - 198
Relicanth - 198
Yanmega - 198
Espeon - 197
Flygon - 197
Jolteon - 197
Umbreon - 197
Glaceon - 196
Leafeon - 196
Steelix - 196
Vaporeon - 196
Nidoking - 195
Ampharos - 194
Luxray - 194
Nidoqueen - 194
Lickilicky - 193
Machamp - 193
Gliscor - 192
Rapidash - 192
Walrein - 192
Victreebel - 191
Gengar - 190
Claydol - 189
Donphan - 189
Ursaring - 189
Altaria - 188
Bronzong - 188
Vespiquen - 188
Froslass - 187
Glalie - 187
Honchkrow - 187
Mismagius - 187
Scyther - 187
Alakazam - 186
Ambipom - 186
Politoed - 185
Poliwrath - 185
Porygon-Z - 185
Bellossom - 184
Exploud - 184
Hariyama - 184
Vileploom - 184
Delibird - 183
Purugly - 183
Ludicolo - 181
Shiftry - 181
Toxicroak - 181
Porygon2 - 180
Banette - 179
Dusclops - 179
Floatzel - 178
Gorebyss - 178
Granbull - 178
Huntail - 178
Ninetails - 178
Cacturne - 177
Golem - 177
Wobbuffet - 177
Dewgong - 176
Gastrodon - 176
Jumpluff - 176
Camerupt - 175
Kangaskhan - 175
Sharpedo - 175
Absol - 174
Golduck - 174
Lopunny - 174
Weezing - 173
Pidgeot - 172
Staraptor - 172
Golbat - 171
Xatu - 171
Seaking - 170
Magneton - 169
Tropius - 169
Manectric - 168
Mantine - 168
Skarmory - 168
Spiritomb - 168
Swalot - 168
Magmar - 167
Tangela - 166
Breloom - 165
Hypno - 165
Phione - 165
Seviper - 165
Stantler - 165
Zangoose - 165
Carnivine - 164
Grumpig - 164
Octillery - 164
Pelipper - 164
Slowbro - 164
Slowking - 164
Sandslash - 163
Fearow - 162
Noctowl - 162
Swellow - 162
Beautifly - 161
Crawdaunt - 161
Torkoal - 161
Butterfree - 160
Piloswine - 160
Beedrill - 159
Kricketune - 159
Mothim - 159
Wormadam - 159
Dodrio - 158
Whiscash - 158
Muk - 157
Electabuzz - 156
Lanturn - 156
Lumineon - 156
Ninjask - 155
Seadra - 155
Celebi - 154
Magcargo - 154
Mew - 154
Snorlax - 154
Azumarill - 153
Dugtrio - 153
Medicham - 153
Metang - 153
Lairon - 152
Ponyta - 152
Roselia - 152
Weepinbell - 151
Electrode - 150
Lunatone - 150
Solrock - 150
Girafarig - 149
Primeape - 149
Persian - 148
Arbok - 147
Chimecho - 147
Misdreavus - 147
Yanma - 147
Illumise - 146
Machoke - 146
Sunflora - 146
Volbeat - 146
Castform - 145
Kadabra - 145
Dragonair - 144
Gabite - 144
Pupitar - 144
Shelgon - 144
Croconaw - 143
Marshtomp - 143
Prinplup - 143
Wartortle - 143
Charmeleon - 142
Clamperl - 142
Combusken - 142
Monferno - 142
Quilava - 142
Bayleef - 141
Grotle - 141
Grovyle - 141
Ivysaur - 141
Lombre - 141
Nuzleaf - 141
Hitmonchan - 140
Kirlia - 140
Hitmonlee - 139
Delcatty - 138
Hitmontop - 138
Venomoth - 138
Jynx - 137
Quagsire - 137
Wailmer - 137
Mr. Mime 136
Skiploom - 136
Rhyhorn - 135
Sudowoodo - 135
Ariados - 134
Graveler - 134
Ledian - 134
Cherrim - 133
Gloom - 132
Kecleon - 132
Rotom - 132
Sneasel - 132
Poliwhirl - 131
Snover - 131
Porygon - 130
Clefable - 129
Linoone - 128
Masquerain - 128
Mightyena - 128
Parasect - 128
Sealeo - 128
Drifloon - 127
Lickitung - 127
Haunter - 126
Loudred - 126
Vibrava - 126
Vigoroth - 126
Marowak - 124
Phanpy - 124
Teddiursa - 124
Raichu - 122
Lileep - 121
Minun - 120
Omanyte - 120
Pachirisu - 120
Plusle - 120
Anorith - 119
Kabuto - 119
Forretress - 118
Nidorino - 118
Flaaffy - 117
Luxio - 117
Magby - 117
Nidorina - 117
Bibarel - 116
Furret - 116
Raticate - 116
Krabby - 115
Houndour - 114
Koffing - 114
Skorupi - 114
Togetic - 114
Corsola - 113
Pidgeotto - 113
Staravia - 113
Corphish - 111
Goldeen - 111
Luvdisc - 110
Wigglytuff - 109
Gligar - 108
Mantyke - 108
Nosepass - 108
Onix - 108
Chatot - 107
Murkrow - 107
Elekid - 106
Smeargle - 106
Staryu - 106
Tentacool - 105
Electrike - 104
Beldum - 103
Voltorb - 103
Drowzee - 102
Qwilfish - 100
Seel - 100
Cranidos - 99
Shieldon - 99
Slowpoke - 99
Exeggcute - 98
Mawile - 98
Sableye - 98
Cacnea - 97
Duskull - 97
Shellder - 97
Shuppet - 97
Aron - 96
Doduo - 96
Gastly - 95
Hippopotas - 95
Shedinja - 95
Aipom - 94
Farfetch'd - 94
Munchlax - 94
Sandshrew - 93
Barboach - 92
Eevee - 92
Growlithe - 91
Meditite - 91
Tyrogue - 91
Chinchou - 90
Finneon - 90
Grimer - 90
Bagon - 89
Magnemite - 89
Spoink - 89
Carvanha - 88
Machop - 88
Numel - 88
Cubone - 87
Makuhita - 87
Smoochum - 87
Spinda - 85
Bellsprout - 84
Buneary - 84
Croagunk - 83
Horsea - 83
Slakoth - 83
Pikachu - 82
Diglett - 81
Psyduck - 80
Shuckle - 80
Stunky - 79
Mime Jr. 78
Oddish - 78
Remoraid - 78
Slugma - 78
Swinub - 78
Poliwag - 77
Jigglypuff - 76
Buizel - 75
Dunsparce - 75
Gulpin - 75
Spheal - 75
Venonat - 75
Chingling - 74
Hoppip - 74
Lotad - 74
Mankey - 74
Seedot - 74
Snorunt - 74
Swablu - 74
Togepi - 74
Abra - 73
Geodude - 73
Natu - 73
Pichu - 73
Shellos - 73
Trapinch - 73
Bronzor - 72
Cascoon - 72
Metapod - 72
Riolu - 72
Glameow - 71
Kakuna - 71
Silcoon - 71
Paras - 70
Ralts - 70
Meowth - 69
Bonsly - 68
Budew - 68
Cherubi - 68
Clefairy - 68
Whismur - 68
Dratini - 67
Gible - 67
Larvitar - 67
Piplup - 66
Squirtle - 66
Totodile - 66
Charmander - 65
Chimchar - 65
Cyndaquil - 65
Mudkip - 65
Nincada - 65
Shroomish - 65
Skitty - 65
Torchic - 65
Treecko - 65
Bulbasaur - 64
Chikorita - 64
Shaymin - 64
Turtwig - 64
Wingull - 64
Combee - 63
Snubbull - 63
Surskit - 63
Vulpix - 63
Ekans - 62
Burmy - 61
Ditto - 61
Feebas - 61
Unown - 61
Dustox - 60
Nidoran♂ - 60
Pineco - 60
Shinx - 60
Zigzagoon - 60
Mareep - 59
Nidoran♀ - 59
Taillow - 59
Baltoy - 58
Bidoof - 58
Hoothoot - 58
Marill - 58
Spearow - 58
Rattata - 57
Sentret - 57
Starly - 56
Pidgey - 55
Poochyena - 55
Kricketot - 54
Ledyba - 54
Spinarak - 54
Wurmple - 54
Zubat - 54
Caterpie - 53
Sunkern - 52
Weedle - 52
Wooper - 52
Wynaut - 44
Igglybuff - 39
Cleffa - 37
Azurill - 33
Magikarp - 20

Revision as of 18:38, 20 November 2009

Erratic (600000) E = -1/50*l^4 + 2*l^3 for level<=50

http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001260

It's mentioned in the thread that level 45 does not work for that. Level 45 is 100273, not 100237. Sheep 16:42, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Nevermind the previous message, I figured it out myself. Sheep 18:09, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Simplify the formulas

Was that copied from matlab or something? It can be simplified...

((0.814 - 0.02*(((n - 69) / 3) - (((n - 69) / 3) modulo 1)) - ep(((n - 69) modulo 3))(n^3)

((0.814 - 0.02*(((n - 69) / 3) - float_part((n - 69) / 3) ) - ep(((n - 69) modulo 3))(n^3)
((0.814 - 0.02*( int((n - 69) / 3) ) - ep(((n - 69) modulo 3))(n^3)
((0.814 - 0.02*( int(n/3 - 23) ) - ep(((n - 69) modulo 3))(n^3)
((0.814 + 0.46 - 0.02*( int(n/3) ) - ep(((n - 69) modulo 3))(n^3)

int(  (  1.274 - 0.02*(int(n/3)) - ep(n%3)  ) * (n^3)  )
That would be easier to read.
2*(1 - 0.01n)*(n3)
= int( 2n3 - 0.02n4 )
(  1 - ((n - 50)*0.01)  ) * (n^3)
= int( 1.5n3 - 0.01n4 )
(1.6 - 0.01n) * (n3)
= int( 1.6n3 - 0.01n4 )


Qgpr03:05, 01 Mar 2005

I really want to avoid using expressions that are not standard math notation. I don't even know if there's a way to represent some integer rounding using standard math notation, just some pseudo-code, that's why I stuck mod 1 subtraction in there. My plan was to simplify/clean it up once TeX was implemented on bulbapedia.

In the meanwhile you can simplify them. Just keep "mod" or "modulo" instead of "%" and avoid "int()." Sheep 20:20, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)


The big problem is that when I first read that I got confused. No person that would bother to understand that formula wouldn't know how to program anyways, to represent that rounding you use ||x|| I think, maximum integer, unless I got the symbol wrong, long time I don't touch math. I'll leave that formula but also add the simplification for anyone that wants someting simplier to read. I will also simplify your standard math formulas, but won't add the ||x|| because I am not sure if its the right symbol, those - 69 can be taken out of modulo since they will be equal to zero. Qgpr 20:03, 5 Mar 2005 (GMT-5)

|x| is modulus - gives the absolute value of function, i.e. |-0.5| = 0.5. Modulo is simply represented as mod in mathematics. Anyway, while we do not have TeX at the moment, you can try this instead - leave the original math formula as a <!-- COMMENT -->, and copy the image from Wikipedia (it will generate the image on preview, so you can download that and reupload it here. Don't overdo it of course.)
||x|| ( double | ) is what I was taught here at college, but I guess is not an standard, however I found what it seems is the standard, and used the UTF code to show it. However <*pre> is not happy with <*sub>, you should find a way around because mine doesn't look that good. By the way it was "greatest integer" not maximum, problems for using a direct translation. Qgpr 22:16, 5 Mar 2005 (GMT-5)

First shot at a TeX markup image. Using

\begin{math}
b \star x \rightarrow \frac{b}{x} - (\frac{b}{x}\;mod\;1)
\end{math}

\addvspace{.2cm}

\begin{math}
e(n) = \left\{
\begin{array}{clrr}
n^3(\frac{100 - n}{50}); & 0 < n \leq 50 \\*
n^3(\frac{150 - n}{100}); & 51 \leq n \leq 68 \\*
n^3(1.274 - \frac{1}{50}(n\star3) - p(n\;mod\;3)); & 69 \leq n \leq 98 \\*
n^3(\frac{160 - n}{100}); & 99 \leq n \leq 100 \\*
\end{array}
\right\}
\end{math}

\addvspace{.2cm}

\begin{math}
p(x) = \left\{
\begin{array}{clrr}
0.000; & x = 0 \\*
0.008; & x = 1 \\*
0.014; & x = 2 \\*
\end{array}
\right\}
\end{math}

I came up with

File:Texerratic.png

Kind of cramped. Does it meet the approval of you two? Looking for revisions before I even post it. Especially since I forgot how to properly represent a custom operator (\star). Is that how? Sheep 03:32, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This seems better:

\begin{equation}
E(n) = \left\{ \begin{array}{ll}
\frac{n^{3} \left(100 - n\right)}{50}, & \textrm{if $0 < n \leq 50$} \\
\frac{n^{3} \left(150 - n\right)}{100}, & \textrm{if $51 < n \leq 68$} \\
n^{3} \left(1.274 - \frac{1}{50}\left\lfloor\frac{n}{3}\right\rfloor -p\left(n \bmod 3\right)\right), & \textrm{if $69 < n \leq 98$} \\ 
\frac{n^{3} \left(160 - n\right)}{100}, & \textrm{if $99 < n \leq 100$}
\end{array}\right.
\end{equation}

\begin{equation}
p(m) = \left\{ \begin{array}{ll}
0.000, & \textrm{if $m = 0$} \\
0.008, & \textrm{if $m = 1$} \\
0.014, & \textrm{if $m = 2$}
\end{array}\right.
\end{equation}

File:Erratic experience levels equation 1.png
File:Erratic experience levels equation 2.png But when I tested it on Wikipedia, there were a few problems, so if we do get around to installing Texvc, we'll have to go hammer those problems out. Also, I'd appreciate it if we could find the exact fractions for those decimalised numbers - after all, the computer works in binary, not decimal - hence we won't have 0.008, we might instead have 523/65536 (or maybe 8/1000, but the result would still be stored as a binary fraction) - 刘 (劉) 振霖 07:22, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I updated texerratic.png up there with something that looks more like yours. I didn't use Wikipedia for mine, I was using TeXnicCenter. I think the decimals are all right how they are, because they actually are more correct. I don't know exactly how the games handle decimal arithmetic, but it appears that the formulas use values accurate to 3 decimal places. (525/65536) or (523/65536) are not exactly 0.008, and if you put in those values, you'll get numbers that are off (I got about 6 points off for level 70). Sheep 13:47, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Mmm. Since the experience points have to be accurate to about 7sf - I think the fractions should therefore be accurate to 7sf as well. But it might well be that they did use integer multiplication + division (× 8 ÷ 1000) rather than a simpler constant floating point multiplication (× (1 + 402653/224) × 2-7) - which is approximately how accurate a single-precision IEEE 754 binary fraction is. Funnily enough, IEEE 754 single-precision fractions are accurate to approx 7sf (without exponentiation) by defintion (this one is 0.008 correct to 11sf)). - 刘 (劉) 振霖 14:40, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. I just learned from Meowth that the game simply stores the values for these as constants in the game, so the fractions are just best-fit and the formula is not used in-game - 刘 (劉) 振霖 14:44, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

So we need to reach a conclusion. There will be a note added that says these values are stored in the game as constants, not calculated. The formulas, I guess, do not have to be specific to any system of number storage now, so are we saying that the decimal constants are acceptable? Sheep 15:04, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

quick question

Why does Level redirect here? An even better question is, why does this page link to Level, thus linking back to itself? --greengiant

Sorry my reply is formatted wrong, I don't know how to do it normally yet. Anyway, the last time I checked, Level is its own, seperate article. Maybe they fixed the problem you saw before. {{SUBST:Superbreeder]] What's up? 23:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

Modify this!

Can someone modify the erratic and the fluctuating part of experience? I want to understand it like all the other ones!


Color-Coded

I color-coded the exp type descriptions to more-or-less match the colors used on the graph. I did this to make it easier to distinguish them from eachother. I wonder where I can find the look-up table in the game, I bet I can simplify those two honking large piecewise formulas. Twigpi 15:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

See http://www.upokecenter.com/games/rs/guides/exptable.html. The "1,050,000" in one of the top columns is a typo (should be "1,059,860"). At Level 1, the Experience is always "0" (here, they have it at "1"). Ultraflame 22:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Organize Pokémon

I really think there should be either a list of Pokémon by experience types or a category for each type. You can find out on each particular Pokémon's page, but there is no way to find Pokémon based on their experience type. Cheesus Is Lord 13:23 23 January 2008

Here is the whole list. Someone could modify it and put it into the main article.
600000
Nincada/Ninjask/Shedinja
Volbeat
Swablu/Altaria
Zangoose
Lileep/Cradily
Anorith/Armaldo
Feebas/Milotic
Clamperl/Huntail/Gorebyss
Cranidos/Rampardos
Shieldon/Bastiodon
Finneon/Lumineon

800000
Cleffa/Clefairy/Clefable
Igglybuff/Jigglypuff/Wigglytuff
Happiny/Chansey/Blissey
Ledyba/Ledian
Spinarak/Ariados
Togepi/Togetic/Togekiss
Marill/Azumarill
Aipom/Ambipom
Misdreavus/Mismagius
Snubbull/Granbull
Corsola
Delibird
Smeargle
Skitty/Delcatty
Mawile
Spoink/Grumpig
Spinda
Lunatone
Solrock
Shuppet/Banette
Duskull/Dusclops/Dusknoir
Chingling/Chimecho
Luvdisc
Glameow/Purugly

1000000
Caterpie/Metapod/Butterfree
Weedle/Kakuna/Beedrill
Rattata/Raticate
Spearow/Fearow
Ekans/Arbok
Pichu/Pikachu/Raichu
Sandshrew/Sandslash
Vulpix/Ninetales
Zubat/Golbat/Crobat
Paras/Parasect
Venonat/Venomoth
Diglett/Dugtrio
Meowth/Persian
Psyduck/Golduck
Mankey/Primeape
Ponyta/Rapidash
Slowpoke/Slowbro/Slowking
Magnemite/Magneton/Magnezone
Farfetch'd
Doduo/Dodrio
Seel/Dewgong
Grimer/Muk
Onix/Steelix
Drowzee/Hypno
Krabby/Kingler
Voltorb/Electrode
Cubone/Marowak
Tyrogue/Hitmonlee/Hitmonchan/Hitmontop
Lickitung/Lickilicky
Koffing/Weezing
Tangela/Tangrowth
Kangaskhan
Horsea/Seadra/Kingdra
Goldeen/Seaking
Mime Jr./Mr. Mime
Scyther/Scizor
Smoochum/Jynx
Elekid/Electabuzz/Electivire
Magby/Magmar/Magmortar
Ditto
Eevee/Vaporeon/Jolteon/Flareon/Espeon/Umbreon/Leafeon/Glaceon
Porygon/Porygon2/Porygon-Z
Omanyte/Omastar
Kabuto/Kabutops
Sentret/Furret
Hoothoot/Noctowl
Natu/Xatu
Bonsly/Sudowoodo
Yanma/Yanmega
Wooper/Quagsire
Unown
Wobbuffet
Girafarig
Dunsparce
Qwilfish
Teddiursa/Ursaring
Slugma/Magcargo
Remoraid/Octillery
Phanpy/Donphan
Poochyena/Mightyena
Zigzagoon/Linoone
Wurmple/Silcoon/Beautifly/Cascoon/Dustox
Wingull/Pelipper
Surskit/Masquerain
Nosepass/Probopass
Meditite/Medicham
Plusle
Minun
Numel/Camerupt
Torkoal
Barboach/Whiscash
Baltoy/Claydol
Castform
Snorunt/Glalie/Froslass
Bidoof/Bibarel
Burmy/Wormadam/Mothim
Pachirisu
Buizel/Floatzel
Cherubi/Cherrim
Shellos/Gastrodon
Buneary/Lopunny
Stunky/Skuntank
Bronzor/Bronzong
Spiritomb
Croagunk/Toxicroak
Rotom

1059860
Bulbasaur/Ivysaur/Venusaur
Charmander/Charmeleon/Charizard
Squirtle/Wartortle/Blastoise
Pidgey/Pidgeotto/Pidgeot
Nidoran-F/Nidorina/Nidoqueen
Nidoran-M/Nidorino/Nidoking
Oddish/Gloom/Vileplume/Bellossom
Poliwag/Poliwhirl/Poliwrath/Politoed
Abra/Kadabra/Alakazam
Machop/Machoke/Machamp
Bellsprout/Weepinbell/Victreebel
Geodude/Graveler/Golem
Gastly/Haunter/Gengar
Mew
Chikorita/Bayleef/Meganium
Cyndaquil/Quilava/Typhlosion
Totodile/Croconaw/Feraligatr
Mareep/Flaaffy/Ampharos
Hoppip/Skiploom/Jumpluff
Sunkern/Sunflora
Murkrow/Honchkrow
Gligar/Gliscor
Shuckle
Sneasel/Weavile
Celebi
Treecko/Grovyle/Sceptile
Torchic/Combusken/Blaziken
Mudkip/Marshtomp/Swampert
Lotad/Lombre/Ludicolo
Seedot/Nuzleaf/Shiftry
Taillow/Swellow
Whismur/Loudred/Exploud
Sableye
Budew/Roselia/Roserade
Trapinch/Vibrava/Flygon
Cacnea/Cacturne
Kecleon
Absol
Spheal/Sealeo/Walrein
Turtwig/Grotle/Torterra
Chimchar/Monferno/Infernape
Piplup/Prinplup/Empoleon
Starly/Staravia/Staraptor
Kricketot/Kricketune
Shinx/Luxio/Luxray
Combee/Vespiquen
Chatot
Riolu/Lucario
Shaymin

1250000
Growlithe/Arcanine
Tentacool/Tentacruel
Shellder/Cloyster
Exeggcute/Exeggutor
Rhyhorn/Rhydon/Rhyperior
Staryu/Starmie
Pinsir
Tauros
Magikarp/Gyarados
Lapras
Aerodactyl
Munchlax/Snorlax
Articuno
Zapdos
Moltres
Dratini/Dragonair/Dragonite
Mewtwo
Chinchou/Lanturn
Heracross
Swinub/Piloswine/Mamoswine
Mantyke/Mantine
Skarmory
Houndour/Houndoom
Stantler
Miltank
Raikou
Entei
Suicune
Larvitar/Pupitar/Tyranitar
Lugia
Ho-Oh
Ralts/Kirlia/Gardevoir/Gallade
Slakoth/Vigoroth/Slaking
Aron/Lairon/Aggron
Electrike/Manetric
Carvahna/Sharpedo
Tropius
Relicanth
Bagon/Shelgon/Salamence
Beldum/Metang/Metagross
Regirock
Regice
Registeel
Latias
Latios
Kyogre
Groudon
Rayquaza
Jirachi
Deoxys
Gible/Gabite/Garchomp
Hippopotas/Hippowdon
Skorupi/Drapion
Carnivine
Snover/Abomasnow
Uxie
Mesprit
Azelf
Dialga
Palkia
Heatran
Regigigas
Giratina
Cresselia
Phione
Manaphy
Darkrai
Arceus

1640000
Shroomish/Breloom
Makuhita/Hariyama
Illumise
Gulpin/Swalot
Wailmer/Wailord
Seviper
Corphish/Crawdaunt
Drifloon/Drifblim
Ultraflame 20:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)Reply

I like this idea and think it would be useful. Anyone else agree? Eric the espeon 19:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Yes, but I don't know if it belongs on this page. We could create categories, but I think I like the idea of another page better, like List of Pokémon by experience requirement, or something. — Laoris (Blah) 19:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Makes sense, and link to that list from here? Eric the espeon 18:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

???

If the formula returns a decimal, is the result rounded up or down? --Shiny Noctowl 15:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Always rounded down, I believe. Ultraflame 22:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Hmm...

Does anyone else think that a chart that lists the experience needed to reach each level in an experience group would be a good addition to this page? TTEchidna 05:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

yes MathijsP 07:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)Reply
I added the charts, but, as I had a computer program generate them, I haven't been able to check the piecewise ones yet. It would be good if someone else could check the piecewise functions ("erratic" and "fluctuating") to make sure they're correct. --Shiny Noctowl 00:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
the "Erratic" one is messed up. lvl 98 is 1.2 million, and lvl 99 is under 600,000. also, thats a lot of text, so, i added the show/hide ability. -- MAGNEDETH 00:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
It's still messed up. Can you fix it please? --Shiny Noctowl 00:27, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
i dont know how to fix it, i just added the show/hide things. im just noting its not right. you said you had a computer do it. try again? -- MAGNEDETH 00:29, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
The formula for Level 98 comes out to 583539, which is correct. Ultraflame 23:05, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Reply
well thats fine, but currently it says lvl 98 is 1185901, which it wrong. -- MAGNEDETH 23:21, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Reply

Pokémon Gold/Silver Version ROM - Hack-O-Matic - "Secret" Experience functions

I'm sure someone else has noticed that if you use the ROM hack tool Hack-O-Matic to open a Pokémon Gold/Silver ROM and edit Pokémon, there will be eight "experience gradient" choices for each Pokémon as opposed to the four that were actually used in Generation II. I've figured out three of the four "secret" functions, and due to a glitch in Hack-O-Matic I can't examine the fourth one.
Hack-O-Matic displays the eight experience functions as eight "types" (the numbers go from Level 2 to 100):

2

Same as Fifth Type

5

First Type

6

Fourth Type

7

Sixth Type

8

Unknown due to glitch in Hack-O-Matic. Hack-O-Matic provides graphs for each experience function, but they may not be accurate. Do you want me to upload that graph's picture anyway?
Are these "hidden" experience functions notable enough to be added to the article somewhere? Thanks. Ultraflame 20:44, 12 October 2008 (UTC)Reply

I dont understand any of this? Could you make it clearer for the average user to be able to read, if an average person sees that they wont be able to understand it, only smart people will --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

When a Pokémon gains experience it levels up. Different Pokémon level up at different rates, and take different amounts of experience to gain each level. Some Pokémon level up faster than others. The amount of experience a Pokémon needs to gain a level is determined by one of eight possible formulas. That's really the premise of the whole article. — Laoris (Blah) 18:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

oh ok thank you, it was that last line "The amount of experience a Pokémon needs to gain a level is determined by one of eight possible formulas." I didnt really get till you explained it. I just thought they made the pokemon that way, i wasnt aware there was a formula, if this is in the article, can we have the easier to understand version, your version, underneath the complicated bit. --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

I'll add some clarification to the article later. — Laoris (Blah) 18:36, 4 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

List of base experence yeald

Can someone add this in as a hide able table?

Arceus - 255 Blissey - 255 Chansey - 255 Happiny - 255 Dialga - 220 Giratina - 220 Ho-oh - 220 Lugia - 220 Mewtwo - 220 Palkia - 220 Rayquaza - 220 Regigigas - 220 Togekiss - 220 Lapras - 219 Dragonite - 218 Garchomp - 218 Groudon - 218 Kyogre - 218 Salamence - 218 Tyranitar - 218 Entei - 217 Moltres - 217 Regirock - 217 Rhyperior - 217 Raikou - 216 Regice - 216 Zapdos - 216 Articuno - 215 Deoxys - 215 Heatran - 215 Jirachi - 215 Manaphy - 215 Registeel - 215 Suicune - 215 Abomasnow - 214 Gyarados - 214 Arcanine - 213 Milotic - 213 Exeggutor - 212 Latias - 211 Latios - 211 Magnezone - 211 Tangrowth - 211 Tauros - 211 Azelf - 210 Blastoise - 210 Cresselia - 210 Darkrai - 210 Dusknoir - 210 Empoleon - 210 Feraligatr - 210 Mesprit - 210 Metagross - 210 Slaking - 210 Swampert - 210 Uxie - 210 Blaziken - 209 Charizard - 209 Infernape - 209 Skuntank - 209 Typhlosion - 209 Gallade - 208 Gardevoir - 208 Meganium - 208 Sceptile - 208 Torterra - 208 Venusaur - 208 Kingdra - 207 Mamoswine - 207 Starmie - 207 Kingler - 206 Wailord - 206 Aggron - 205 Tentacruel - 205 Crobat - 204 Drapion - 204 Drifblim - 204 Houndoom - 204 Lucario - 204 Rhydon - 204 Roserade - 204 Cloyster - 203 Aerodactyl - 202 Cradily - 201 Kabutops - 201 Armaldo - 200 Heracross - 200 Miltank - 200 Pinsir - 200 Scizor - 200 Bastiodon - 199 Electivire - 199 Magmortar - 199 Omastar - 199 Rampardos - 199 Weavile - 199 Flareon - 198 Hippowdon - 198 Probopass - 198 Relicanth - 198 Yanmega - 198 Espeon - 197 Flygon - 197 Jolteon - 197 Umbreon - 197 Glaceon - 196 Leafeon - 196 Steelix - 196 Vaporeon - 196 Nidoking - 195 Ampharos - 194 Luxray - 194 Nidoqueen - 194 Lickilicky - 193 Machamp - 193 Gliscor - 192 Rapidash - 192 Walrein - 192 Victreebel - 191 Gengar - 190 Claydol - 189 Donphan - 189 Ursaring - 189 Altaria - 188 Bronzong - 188 Vespiquen - 188 Froslass - 187 Glalie - 187 Honchkrow - 187 Mismagius - 187 Scyther - 187 Alakazam - 186 Ambipom - 186 Politoed - 185 Poliwrath - 185 Porygon-Z - 185 Bellossom - 184 Exploud - 184 Hariyama - 184 Vileploom - 184 Delibird - 183 Purugly - 183 Ludicolo - 181 Shiftry - 181 Toxicroak - 181 Porygon2 - 180 Banette - 179 Dusclops - 179 Floatzel - 178 Gorebyss - 178 Granbull - 178 Huntail - 178 Ninetails - 178 Cacturne - 177 Golem - 177 Wobbuffet - 177 Dewgong - 176 Gastrodon - 176 Jumpluff - 176 Camerupt - 175 Kangaskhan - 175 Sharpedo - 175 Absol - 174 Golduck - 174 Lopunny - 174 Weezing - 173 Pidgeot - 172 Staraptor - 172 Golbat - 171 Xatu - 171 Seaking - 170 Magneton - 169 Tropius - 169 Manectric - 168 Mantine - 168 Skarmory - 168 Spiritomb - 168 Swalot - 168 Magmar - 167 Tangela - 166 Breloom - 165 Hypno - 165 Phione - 165 Seviper - 165 Stantler - 165 Zangoose - 165 Carnivine - 164 Grumpig - 164 Octillery - 164 Pelipper - 164 Slowbro - 164 Slowking - 164 Sandslash - 163 Fearow - 162 Noctowl - 162 Swellow - 162 Beautifly - 161 Crawdaunt - 161 Torkoal - 161 Butterfree - 160 Piloswine - 160 Beedrill - 159 Kricketune - 159 Mothim - 159 Wormadam - 159 Dodrio - 158 Whiscash - 158 Muk - 157 Electabuzz - 156 Lanturn - 156 Lumineon - 156 Ninjask - 155 Seadra - 155 Celebi - 154 Magcargo - 154 Mew - 154 Snorlax - 154 Azumarill - 153 Dugtrio - 153 Medicham - 153 Metang - 153 Lairon - 152 Ponyta - 152 Roselia - 152 Weepinbell - 151 Electrode - 150 Lunatone - 150 Solrock - 150 Girafarig - 149 Primeape - 149 Persian - 148 Arbok - 147 Chimecho - 147 Misdreavus - 147 Yanma - 147 Illumise - 146 Machoke - 146 Sunflora - 146 Volbeat - 146 Castform - 145 Kadabra - 145 Dragonair - 144 Gabite - 144 Pupitar - 144 Shelgon - 144 Croconaw - 143 Marshtomp - 143 Prinplup - 143 Wartortle - 143 Charmeleon - 142 Clamperl - 142 Combusken - 142 Monferno - 142 Quilava - 142 Bayleef - 141 Grotle - 141 Grovyle - 141 Ivysaur - 141 Lombre - 141 Nuzleaf - 141 Hitmonchan - 140 Kirlia - 140 Hitmonlee - 139 Delcatty - 138 Hitmontop - 138 Venomoth - 138 Jynx - 137 Quagsire - 137 Wailmer - 137 Mr. Mime 136 Skiploom - 136 Rhyhorn - 135 Sudowoodo - 135 Ariados - 134 Graveler - 134 Ledian - 134 Cherrim - 133 Gloom - 132 Kecleon - 132 Rotom - 132 Sneasel - 132 Poliwhirl - 131 Snover - 131 Porygon - 130 Clefable - 129 Linoone - 128 Masquerain - 128 Mightyena - 128 Parasect - 128 Sealeo - 128 Drifloon - 127 Lickitung - 127 Haunter - 126 Loudred - 126 Vibrava - 126 Vigoroth - 126 Marowak - 124 Phanpy - 124 Teddiursa - 124 Raichu - 122 Lileep - 121 Minun - 120 Omanyte - 120 Pachirisu - 120 Plusle - 120 Anorith - 119 Kabuto - 119 Forretress - 118 Nidorino - 118 Flaaffy - 117 Luxio - 117 Magby - 117 Nidorina - 117 Bibarel - 116 Furret - 116 Raticate - 116 Krabby - 115 Houndour - 114 Koffing - 114 Skorupi - 114 Togetic - 114 Corsola - 113 Pidgeotto - 113 Staravia - 113 Corphish - 111 Goldeen - 111 Luvdisc - 110 Wigglytuff - 109 Gligar - 108 Mantyke - 108 Nosepass - 108 Onix - 108 Chatot - 107 Murkrow - 107 Elekid - 106 Smeargle - 106 Staryu - 106 Tentacool - 105 Electrike - 104 Beldum - 103 Voltorb - 103 Drowzee - 102 Qwilfish - 100 Seel - 100 Cranidos - 99 Shieldon - 99 Slowpoke - 99 Exeggcute - 98 Mawile - 98 Sableye - 98 Cacnea - 97 Duskull - 97 Shellder - 97 Shuppet - 97 Aron - 96 Doduo - 96 Gastly - 95 Hippopotas - 95 Shedinja - 95 Aipom - 94 Farfetch'd - 94 Munchlax - 94 Sandshrew - 93 Barboach - 92 Eevee - 92 Growlithe - 91 Meditite - 91 Tyrogue - 91 Chinchou - 90 Finneon - 90 Grimer - 90 Bagon - 89 Magnemite - 89 Spoink - 89 Carvanha - 88 Machop - 88 Numel - 88 Cubone - 87 Makuhita - 87 Smoochum - 87 Spinda - 85 Bellsprout - 84 Buneary - 84 Croagunk - 83 Horsea - 83 Slakoth - 83 Pikachu - 82 Diglett - 81 Psyduck - 80 Shuckle - 80 Stunky - 79 Mime Jr. 78 Oddish - 78 Remoraid - 78 Slugma - 78 Swinub - 78 Poliwag - 77 Jigglypuff - 76 Buizel - 75 Dunsparce - 75 Gulpin - 75 Spheal - 75 Venonat - 75 Chingling - 74 Hoppip - 74 Lotad - 74 Mankey - 74 Seedot - 74 Snorunt - 74 Swablu - 74 Togepi - 74 Abra - 73 Geodude - 73 Natu - 73 Pichu - 73 Shellos - 73 Trapinch - 73 Bronzor - 72 Cascoon - 72 Metapod - 72 Riolu - 72 Glameow - 71 Kakuna - 71 Silcoon - 71 Paras - 70 Ralts - 70 Meowth - 69 Bonsly - 68 Budew - 68 Cherubi - 68 Clefairy - 68 Whismur - 68 Dratini - 67 Gible - 67 Larvitar - 67 Piplup - 66 Squirtle - 66 Totodile - 66 Charmander - 65 Chimchar - 65 Cyndaquil - 65 Mudkip - 65 Nincada - 65 Shroomish - 65 Skitty - 65 Torchic - 65 Treecko - 65 Bulbasaur - 64 Chikorita - 64 Shaymin - 64 Turtwig - 64 Wingull - 64 Combee - 63 Snubbull - 63 Surskit - 63 Vulpix - 63 Ekans - 62 Burmy - 61 Ditto - 61 Feebas - 61 Unown - 61 Dustox - 60 Nidoran♂ - 60 Pineco - 60 Shinx - 60 Zigzagoon - 60 Mareep - 59 Nidoran♀ - 59 Taillow - 59 Baltoy - 58 Bidoof - 58 Hoothoot - 58 Marill - 58 Spearow - 58 Rattata - 57 Sentret - 57 Starly - 56 Pidgey - 55 Poochyena - 55 Kricketot - 54 Ledyba - 54 Spinarak - 54 Wurmple - 54 Zubat - 54 Caterpie - 53 Sunkern - 52 Weedle - 52 Wooper - 52 Wynaut - 44 Igglybuff - 39 Cleffa - 37 Azurill - 33 Magikarp - 20