Talk:Chesnaught (Pokémon)

Knight

Just because the Origin section mentions it's based on a knight, doesn't mean its name is possibly derived from it. It is clearly Chesnaught (naught referring to either juggernaut or dreadnaught), not Chesnight (knight).--The Truth aka Relicant 07:55, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Like I said on the Aromatisse talk page, it must be relevant to the Pokémon. Chesnaught at least looks like a knight, spelling and pronunciation (whilst important) is not the end all be all reason.--ForceFire 08:02, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

It's not relevant, though. --The Truth aka Relicant 09:59, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Also, you're only claiming that knight is a name origin because apparently Chesnau(kni)ght. If that's so then that must mean Reshiram's name is derived from ham because Reshir(h)am. --The Truth aka Relicant 09:56, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Like I said, it must be relevant to the Pokémon. You missed my reason, like you always do. It at least looks like a knight (what with the armor).--ForceFire 10:02, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

....And how is finesse not relevant to Aromatisse? If knight is relevant to Chesnau(kni)ght, then finesse is relevant to Aromati(fine)sse. There was no need to be RUDE. --The Truth aka Relicant 10:53, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

I think you're too caught up with how the word is spelled rather than the actual definition of the word and how they fit with the Pokémon. I also don't think you know what Finesse means and are just using big words. There's nothing about Aromatisse that involves finesse, whereas Chesnaught at least (make sure you read this part, seriously, this is like the number one reason) looks (did you read that, do I have to repeat that?) like a knight, especially having an armored shell (got it?). I'm sorry if I sound rude, but I just don't think being nice to you would do anything to make you know where I'm getting at.--ForceFire 11:45, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

I do know what finesse is, don't treat me like an idiot. It fits with Aromatisse. I'm not nitpicking with spelling. I probably shouldn't pick fault with name origins for a while, mayhap. --The Truth aka Relicant 12:07, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Not that there is any point discussing Aromatisse's name origin on Chesnaught's talk page, but to be relevant to a name origin the word has to somehow resemble the Pokémon's name (pronunciation or spelling). Since the only thing finesse actually has in common with Aromatisse is the double s (an a silent e at the end, I guess), it cannot reasonably be considered to be a name origin. --SnorlaxMonster 14:28, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

In my opinion Chesnaught's armor looks like jaggernaut's layered armor and I also believe it's derived from jaggernaut/drednaught. Knight's armor is mostly a chain armor or plate armor, Chesnaught's armor looks nothing like either of those, IMHO it looks like a jaggernaut battle armor. ~HellRider ツ^talk 03:31, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Armadillo?

The origin section suggests its based on a hedgehog. I can see where this comes from, but when compared to a giant armadillo when standing, you can make several comparisons. The long tail, the arms poking out from underneath its shell as well as the three-clawed hands. We can even compare to the pink fairy armadillo, which sports similar white fur on its underside, similar things can be said about Chespin, as like the fairy armadillo, its shell only covers its back. Just a suggestion, obviously what type of animal it is based on will be clouded by it being based of knights, war machines and chestnuts. It's hard to be sure. - unsigned comment from Headsprouter (talk • contribs)

Per the citation on the Chespin page, the line is canonically based on hedgehogs according to graphic designer Hironobu Yoshida. I don't see any indication that they were also based on armadillos, and I personally think we shouldn't list speculation alongside canon as though both were equally likely. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 00:11, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

The citation refers specifically to Chespin being based on a hedgehog. It doesn't really address the later evolutions except in saying they are inspired by RPG-type classes. Chesnaught looks very little like a hedgehog, even less so than Chespin, and while it may have been the starting off point for the concept there are other apparent influences. Pokemon do not have to be, and often aren't, based on just one thing. Compare Chesnaught to a hedgehog (pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Cute-Hedgehog.jpg) and then to an armored mammal like an armadillo, or (better yet) a glyptodont (upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Glyptodon_(Riha2000).jpg). Many features, such as Chesnaught's overall shape, claws, long tail, body armor, and even the "helmet" are very similar to these mammals. While wild speculation should be discouraged, it is worth pointing out that Chesnaught takes design cues from various places. His concept as a hedgehog combined with a chestnut is interesting enough, but the similarities to other creatures shouldn't be considered "wrong" just because an offhand interview response about Chespin didn't outline every single facet of the family's concept. Yes, "canon" states that Chespin is a chestnut/hedgehog, but his evolutions are ever more complex and that should be recognized in the origin section. No harm comes from noting that this Pokemon shares similarities with several real-world species, especially when the article mentions elsewhere that the primary influence was hedgehogs. MOST Pokemon can't have their inspiration "cited" from the mouth of the creators, but we shouldn't let that limit the completeness of the wiki page in adequately describing the species. ~Destruction on Wings~ (talk) 23:28, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I agree here; the citation is clearly only about the first forms. Even if it wasn't, there are many Pokémon articles that list both the "official" origin and complementary origin speculation. (Samurott is a good example: it wasn't mentioned in the interview, but its helmet is identical to Murex shells) Combine that with the fact that Chesnaught clearly looks like a Glyptodon/armadillo, and I think we really should add the them to the origin and possibly remove the hedgehog.--電禅Den Zen 00:06, 27 December 2013 (UTC)