Talk:List of Goh's Pokémon

Pinser Used move

It used a move in ep JN023. What was it? - unsigned comment from Gian9456 (talk • contribs)

If it wasn't stated, then we don't know.--Force Fire 05:59, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh i sory. Wrong name Parasect I mean.- unsigned comment from Gian9456 (talk • contribs)

So no info or good guess - unsigned comment from Gian9456 (talk • contribs)

His Pokemon

Goh Magikarp the smaller one and Exeggcute what happen to them? You think he released the average size. I was also curious is Pinser a female since it is shown to be less violent like its kind and shown to hold a flower and doesn't like conflict or joined the other bug pokemon with ScytherI'm sorry i truly can't figure how to sign my name. Also why the added facts i wrote on Golurk and magikarp was deleted - unsigned comment from Gian9456 (talk • contribs)

i dont know why it wont glow blue - unsigned comment from Gian9456 (talk • contribs)

So is it possible? i truly was curious - unsigned comment from Gian9456 (talk • contribs)

Also i doubted that Airdios and Pineco are the same pokemon that he met 3yrs ago. - unsigned comment from Gian9456 (talk • contribs)

Golurk's main article

Why Go's Golurk received a main article since he didn't use it in battle? Esquilo30 (talk) 14:27, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

The notability requirements for Goh's Pokemon was updated. Golurk meets the requirements since it has appeared more than once and had an impact on an episode.--Force Fire 14:59, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

I guess that makes sense.Esquilo30 (talk) 20:46, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Pinsir's main article

Go's Pinsir will also get a main article after next sunday's episode? Or the episode won't have enough impact? Esquilo30 (talk) 23:09, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Depends on what it does.--Force Fire 06:21, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Pinsir's main article part 2

I guess Go's Pinsir's main article won't happen because it didn't have much of an impact, right? Esquilo30 (talk) 10:34, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately Pinsir didn't have much before that episode today, even in the episode of lack of food, Pinsir didn't have much involvement.

If someone wants to make a page for him, okay, but I'm not going to mess with it. Maybe BigDocFan does.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 10:39, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

I've made a start on a page for Pinsir--BigDocFan (talk) 11:59, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Looks good, I hope the superiors approve it. Esquilo30 (talk) 12:46, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

The admins didn't accept it, did they? Esquilo30 (talk) 02:09, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Be patient, it's only been a day.Animaltamer7 (talk) 03:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Voice actor

Now that today's episode aired, can I add Tatsuki Kobe on Go's Pinsir's Japanese voice actor? Esquilo30 (talk) 11:53, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. Adil — Talk page 11:57, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

I'd like to argue that Tatsuki Kobe didn't voice Goh's Pinsir on the grounds that it spoke in episodes where Tatsuki Kobe had no credited role, suggesting he voices the Pinsir that Komori received.--BigDocFan (talk) 11:59, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

That did come to mind, but I'm looking at it this way that more character acting was involved this week, when it comes to Pinsir specifically. That might have been why they chose to list the voice actor that'd have been otherwise missing. Adil — Talk page 14:03, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

The second Pinsir

Why the second Pinsir is on this list? Wasn't this list supposed to be Pokémon Go currently have?~Because his second Pinsir was temporary as he traded it away for one of Koromi's Heracross Esquilo30 (talk) 15:03, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

I agree. This should only include his current Pokémon. The traded one is already listed under the Trade away section in Goh's main article. Adil — Talk page 16:04, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh Zucky! I messed up! Since nobody was going to erase the second Pinsir I did, but I erased the picture of his first Pinsir by mistake and I dunno how to get it back! Please help me! - unsigned comment from Esquilo30 (talk • contribs)

Delete Election

Can someone delete the second Pinsir in this page? It doesn't belong to this page because it is supposed to be a list of Pokémon Go currently have. Besides it is already in the traded away in his main page. And tell whoever is posting the second Pinsir in here to stop. You can even threat him/her that you'll block them. Esquilo30 (talk) 17:19, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Heracross' Gender

So, the Heracross section mentions to not add the male gender because "it hasn't been acknowledged in the anime". Problem is though, male and female Heracross have been shown in the anime, in SM121. That seems like acknowledgement to me. On that note, does anyone know if any white-whiskered Magikarp have appeared in the anime? That would confirm Goh's Magikarp as well.Iml908 (talk) 00:20, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

File:Heracross SM121.png

Here's a picture for further proof.

Does this mean Go's Pinsir is female? - unsigned comment from Esquilo30 (talk • contribs)

Not necessarily. We have to wait for them to explicitly call it female since Pinsir don't have gender differences. Dawn's Buneary is listed still at unknown for that exact reason. Also, don't forget to sign talk pages with the four tildes (~). Iml908 (talk) 00:32, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I know, sorry. I used the preview though.... Esquilo30 (talk) 00:36, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I read that the rules will change (or something like that), what we have today is that the site only works with this information when it is 100% guaranteed.

In the case of Pinsir, visually everything indicates that it is female, but in the translation I saw of the episode Pinsir it is referred to with male pronouns. And Pinsir has a male voice.

I think that in both cases, the admins will talk to have more proof.Hikaru Wazana (talk) 00:43, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

(resetting indent)The rule is currently being looked into and revised to provide more clarity on what to do in instances like this (where if we acknowledge Goh's as male, what do we do about Ash's Heracross, or any other Pre-Gen IV mon when their time comes for that matter). Also, we are not using behavioral patterns as a way to confirm gender, because a guy can act like a girl, and the act of attraction is not the same as the move Attract.--Force Fire 07:06, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I see it that way: We shouldn't use generation IV gender differences as a proof for Pokemon that debuted before the first episode of DP like Ash's Heracross even if they later appeared in the anime, beucase creators may be against retcons or just forget to make the change. We, however, should use these differences as proof if a Pokemon debuted in or after the first episode of DP series. About behavioral traits, I also think they should count. The anime is made for children and is supposed to be fully understood by them, that's why they may use stereotypes which aren't always right in the adult world, but are simple and well known. Also, the same reasoning is used within anime, for example when May assumed Aipom's gender for the first time basing it on fact that it made a flower clown for itself.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 09:47, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

No gender difference

There's also one more problem. Some gender differences are too tiny to notice/care even for creators. That's why I think we should divide Pokemon into to categories where the difference can be spotted or not.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 10:11, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Bulbapedia will not assume a Pokemon's gender based on presumed gender roles/stereotypes. Full stop. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:13, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Well of course it's going to be whole staff's decision. Are you maybe a part of it? Do you know where and when will we get consensus about the whole situation?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 18:43, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're trying to respond to that I said.

You mentioned using stereotypes to assume gender. We have long said that we will not do that. This has nothing to do with any new discussions. That part's just not changing. "Full stop".

(I am part of staff if that's what you were asking.) If you'd like a date for the conclusion of the discussion ForceFire has mentioned, then let's just say one month from now, and we can all be happily surprised if it happens sooner. ^^ Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Where can I read about the gender policy that does not allow stereotypes? For me it's vaguely applied.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 10:54, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

The gender policy is under our speculation policy. There's nothing vague about only X, Y, and Z are allowed.

(The "full stop" mainly comes from many people complaining about the same thing before, and staff consistently rejecting it.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:50, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Jessie wabbafett is also proof for Goh harracross is male guys. He met a female version. So this is proof and I doubt that writers would make this pokemon a female now.--Gian9456 21:47, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

sorry my blue link still not helping - unsigned comment from Gian9456 (talk • contribs)

Just because one gender difference has appeared, doesn't mean all gender differences exist in the anime. They all have to appear for each them to be valid.--Force Fire 02:42, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Which has happened for Heracross. You can see it in the picture you removed.--Pikablu (talk) 09:52, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Well, it is vaguely applied. Episode "Party Dancecapades!" confirmed genders of many Pokemon just because some wear tiaras and some wear bow ties. Aren't these just stereotypes?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 10:21, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

If you wanna discuss other parts of the gender policy, take it to the policy page or something at this point. That has nothing to do with Heracross. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:20, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Force fire, Also Nihei's venasur is male it wasn't comfired in the show. Fans comfired with no seed on top of it. So this means Ash Haracross is male too.- unsigned comment from Gian9456 (talk • contribs)

@Gian The policy has been updated but Ash's Heracross cannot be confirmed as male unless it reappears after both genders have been shown, which at the moment hasen't happened. Also please properly sign your comments with 4 tildes (~) SupaToad64 (talk • contributions) 03:47, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Raichu's move confusion

How do you guys know that Go's Raichu move is Thunderbolt? They didn't mention it. Esquilo30 (talk) 11:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Must’ve used that move or some other electric attack before she evolved. - unsigned comment from CoolPokeGuy (talk • contribs)

It's either Thunderbolt, Thundershock or Discharge. Esquilo30 (talk) 14:56, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

It's identical to the Thunderbolt animation we've seen before and see in this episode. All the Pikachu attack Team Rocket together with Thunderbolt, which Ash calls out by name. No doubt about the move's identity. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:13, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Please follow the speculation policy on moves. It's pretty simple overall: either it's explicitly identified or it's a move on this page.

If you think a move should be on that page, then by all means, comment on its talk page! (And best there rather than on random pages all over, making it impossible to know if a move has been discussed before.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Parasect’s move

In JN023, Parasect's claw glow yellow when it knocked Misdreavus away. Looked familiar?--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 22:14, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Does it look similar to a move that has been used/verbally commanded in the current series? Adil — Talk page 23:07, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Something like that.--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 00:50, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

If the animation sounds as vague as you describe it, then it could be anything.--Force Fire 04:39, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

It could be Slash or some other move.--CoolPokéGuy (Talk) 16:37, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Aerodactyl's moves

Aerodactyl's moves are: Steel Wing and Iron Head, while the other two I dunno. Esquilo30 (talk) 11:40, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

The Rock move is probably Rock Slide, the wing move was more likely Wing Attack, and the last move appears to be Dragon Breath, based on the animation. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:52, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

We will wait until they're verbally commanded by Goh. Adil — Talk page 12:10, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Rock Slide does have the same animation as the one of Sudowoodo from the Lugia raid battle, and Dragon Breath looks pretty much the same in every gen, but Wing Attack/Steel Wing is something we should wait on, yeah.ShallowShaddoll (talk) 12:14, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

I 100% agree with ShallowShaddoll. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:23, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Stealth Rock would have a similar animation to Rock Slide (rocks being bigger/smaller mean nothing) and Dragon Breath could pass as any other beam moves.--Force Fire 12:26, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

I actually really dislike the whole "let's wait till it's said" policy. I know it's relatively new and takes time to get used to, but ffs it is so inconsistent. Just let people vote on the bulbagarden forums or hold a discussion, I'm sure there's people around who will be interested...ShallowShaddoll (talk) 12:27, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

It's not a "new" rule, it's always has been a thing since as far back as I can remember, it just was never actually written down in stone until recently.--Force Fire 12:30, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I guess, it's just a lot more enforced as of late, and I hate it cuz nobody ever bothered to go back a thousand episodes and factcheck them all, nor will anyone will. Just a personal opinion though..--ShallowShaddoll (talk) 12:32, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

1) Like SS said earlier, Dragon Breath's animation in this episode was identical to how it's been since XY. 2) We haven't even seen Stealth Rock in this series yet. And that was clearly an offensive move, which Stealth Rock isn't. Plus, like SS also said earlier, the move's animation was identical to the one used by the Sudowoodo in Journeys episode 2. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:33, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

1)That doesn't mean the animators won't change the animation. Just because it looks similar doesn't mean it is. The animators may decide to go with a new animation for Dragon Breath, we don't know. And the animation is still way too vague.

2)Just because Stealth Rock hasn't been used in the Journeys yet, doesn't mean it never will. And anime=/=games, the animators could make Stealth Rock an offensive move because they just can.--Force Fire 12:42, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Could we create a page for all unknown moves used by Goh's Pokémon? There a some moves never named but it would be nice to have a page where we collect them until we know what they are. --Altruis _でんき 13:03, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

1) What are the odds that a move's animation was changed to explicitly match another move's previous animation?

2) Stealth Rock has never been portrayed as an offensive move in the anime. And I highly doubt they'll start doing so now. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:46, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

What's the point of this page if we're going to say that the animators can do whatever they want and we can't trust how a move looked previously?--Rahl (talk) 13:54, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Who knows. That's the thing. We're not going to guess that. And it does have to be Stealth Rock. It could be any other move where the user manifests a rock and throws it at the opponent, like Rock Throw/Stone Edge/Rock Blast/Rock Cannon.--Force Fire 13:57, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Those are at least consistent throughout the animes run. That's the key sentence, from start to "finish". Not "here" sometimes, "there" sometimes.--Force Fire 13:57, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

I'll respond to these points later when I have more time coz I'm literally in the middle of something and felt like I have to step in. But regarding this:

I actually really dislike the whole "let's wait till it's said" policy. I know it's relatively new and takes time to get used to, but ffs it is so inconsistent. Just let people vote on the bulbagarden forums or hold a discussion, I'm sure there's people around who will be interested

I almost always try to encourage discussions, and disagreements are a part of it. If I turn out to be wrong, that's fine. It helps us grow as a person. I don't mind if people want to voice their opinions about these topics. However, it is never as simple as 'Just let people vote on the bulbagarden forums'. We as staff are the ones responsible for answering to readers. If we are to add something without us ourselves being confident about the decision, it gives an incredibly bad impression of the team that is supposed to monitor speculations and make sure the information is as accurate as it possibly can. Currently, we are trying to work on the hard-and-fast/rigid rule about always relying on verbal commands, which is precisely why the unique moves page is created. But it is a process, which needs time and assessment to cover all the possible corners surrounding a subject. So, I get the frustration, but please try to at least bare with us and give us time to evaluate. Maybe I shouldn't have responded with "We will wait until they're verbally commanded by Goh" without listening what others have to say first, for which I apologize. But again, it is never as simple as 'let just people vote' and be done with it. We cannot let these things pass through without actually thoroughly verifying them ourselves, because we are to be held responsible in the end. Adil — Talk page 14:16, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

@Altruis: Like, if anyone wants to create a comprehensive, "These are moves BP can't reliably acknowledge in the anime but I'm pretty sure" userpage, that'd be awesome. By all means, keep that up-to-date among the regular anime editors. Maybe people will even start checking that page frequently.

But we're not gonna put that under "Bulbapedia"'s stamp. BP as a whole has been blamed for random editors' assumptions plenty already; it just hurts our reputation. We've long decided to try to avoid that. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:21, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

The question is, when were moves used that we don't know yet? Parasect, Golurk, Misdreavus and Raichu used moves we don't know. Did I miss anyone? --Altruis _でんき 17:42, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

We should add Wing Attack to Aerodactyl's moves list. I'm pretty sure it was confirmed when the dub of the episode aried. Jqtunel (talk) 02:29, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Dewgong/Mankey/Krabby

I don't think it was made clear which region Dewgong, Mankey and Krabby were caught in so what do we put as their encountered region?--BigDocFan (talk) 12:05, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

My suggestion would be "Met in an unknown region". ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 12:07, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Greedent's main article

With today's episode aired, do you think Greedent now deserves a main article?

Esquilo30 (talk) 10:36, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Maybe or maybe not. Depends if Greedent make several appearance in future episodes, then we may considered it. Until that happen, we should stay like this first.

Singaporean (talk) 10:41, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Cubone's gender

At the end of today's episode I noticed Go's Cubone is wearing a flower on its skull, does it mean it's female? Esquilo30 (talk) 10:50, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

No.--Force Fire 12:20, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Diglett

Why does this page says that Diglett was caught in a unknown region? Endo was a student of Professor Cerise and he delivers his vegetable to Professor Cerise. There is nothing to believe that Endo's Form isn't in Kanto. --Altruis _でんき 12:33, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Suicune

Suicune should appear on Goh's main page under the "Roaming" status, as it is not kept in Cerise Laboratory (from what I understand).

Oneofthosedf (talk) 01:58, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Eternatus

Whilst I know "policy" is that if a trainer owns a pokemon for less than one episode it doesnt count, but in this case eternatus was not released. its still in his pokeball, so he technically still owns it. so i think it should be listed. its just locked in a safe (like how we lock our pokemon in PCs). if it gets out again, and someone tries to catch it, it wont work cuz goh is the trainer that owns it.Roserade57 (talk) 06:55, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Eternatus is currently not in Goh's ownership due to being sealed away. So no, it doesn't belong on this list. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:26, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, plus it's on Goh's page right here.Animaltamer7 (talk) 11:45, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Absol

How do you know that was Razor Wind that Absol was using? Esquilo30 (talk) 13:33, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

https://youtu.be/erhqV38hsgQ?t=51--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 13:50, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

That's fair, it's similar to gen 3 and 7's animation. Esquilo30 (talk) 14:00, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

No. If the move wasn't called out, DO NOT guess. If we don't know, we don't know. Razor Wind does not have a unique animation. It could've been Air Cutter or Air Slash, regardless of the fact Absol can't learn those in the games. Games=/=anime.--Force Fire 14:17, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

How do you know that was Slash? It could also be Scratch or Fury Swipes, it's not confirmed. Esquilo30 (talk) 19:53, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Absol can't learn either of those moves. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:28, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

the anime tends not to care about that and has pokemon use moves they cant learn pretty often.Roserade57 (talk) 22:53, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

It does not matter if Absol can't learn those moves. It doesn't matter if you think the anime has been consistent recently with the moves, there is still precedence. Don't assume the anime will do what you think it'll do, because the can still pull something out of left field on a whim.--Force Fire 03:19, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

There was a time when Aerodactyl's Dragon Breath was disputed, despite the obvious similarities in animation to its previous uses, until it was finally approved. Why couldn't the same be true with Razor Wind? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:33, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Because saying that none of Absol's moves are known is an outright lie. We clearly see it using moves. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

~~We can wait for the anime to confirm it for us, but you're still trying to push for the change before the anime has even confirmed it yet.--Force Fire 09:47, 19 June 2021 (UTC)~~

Razor Wind doesn't have a unique animation, the charge you keep repeating is not unique to Razor Wind. Other moves could potentially "charge" by gathering air. Plenty of moves have shown that. And it's not just charging moves that charge in the anime, basically every special move "charges" in the anime.--Force Fire 09:51, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Proposal to change the index of this page

"Met in [region]" was a good way to order his pokémon when the anime started out, but now that Go has caught various pokémon in regions they're not native to it feels arbitrary to rank them by that. Whenever I'm on this page I feel like I have to either scroll through the whole thing or just use ctrl+f to find out if Go has caught a certain pokémon or not. I propose the page order is changed to list the pokémon by national dex number, with the index being pokémon from generation I, pokémon from generation II etc. That way if someone wants to know if Go has caught say, an Kantonian Vulpix, they don't have to go through the whole page to see if maybe he caught it in Sinnoh or caught it in Galar or use ctrl+f to see if he caught it at all, but they can just click the "gen 1" header to find out. Mijzelffan (talk) 09:43, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

I feel "Met in a [region]" is a better way of sorting Goh's Pokémon than sorting them by the generation they originate from, as that doesn't really matter as much as the capture location in the anime. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:46, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Agreed, capture location feels more notable than by generation.Animaltamer7 (talk) 13:32, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Durant's voice actor

How do you know it is voiced by Noriaki Kanze? Was it already confirmed? Esquilo30 (talk) 13:11, 26 June 2021 (UTC)