User talk:Crystal Talian/Archive1

Welcome to Bulbapedia, Crystal Talian!

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Thank you, and have a good time editing here!   Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 04:29, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

thank you

Thank you for the kind greetings. I came and joined this wiki comunity to help with the "Pokemon + Nobunagas Ambition" game. I am a huge fan of KOEI and their games, and while i dont know much about pokemon outside the cartoons, i thought i could help by proving information regarding the human characters in the upcoming crossover game

I hope i can be of service
Ixbran 07:35, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I have a question

First of all thank you for the nice greeting, I apreciate it. Also I noticed that on your page it said your favorite Pokemon was Evee. I would like to add my favorite Pokemon (Chandelure) to my page, how can I do that? Carson 07:15, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome! Do you mean the little tag on my page? First you have to make some edits to the mainspace, so you can gain the ability to create and edit your userpage. Don't ask me how many, I don't know. Once you can do that, add {{Template:User Favorite|609|Chandelure}} to your page. For more information, look here. Crystal Talian 07:28, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Yes, the tag is very nice, and thanks for letting me know! Carson 07:49, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I can't find the mainspace

Sorry if I am bothering you, but I am new to Bulbapedia. Is there a link somwhere? Carson 08:02, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

You're not bothering me at all. "Mainspace" refers to most Bulbapedia pages that don't start with "talk:" or "user:". For example, the edit you made to Axew's article counts as a mainspace edit. Crystal Talian 08:08, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

it still will not let me edit my userpage

By the way I'm glad i'm not bothering you, I don't like to do that to people

Carson 08:22, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

You'll need to make several mainspace edits before you are able to edit your userpage. I don't know the exact number, but it is several. By the way, you don't need to create a new header every time you add to a talkpage. You can just click the "edit" button next to the header where the conversation started. You really only need to make a new header when starting a new conversation. - unsigned comment from Crystal Talian (talk • contribs)

Thanks, I will go make some edits now.

Also I was making a new header every time becuase I didn't know how to reply at that time Chandelure1166 08:39, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

No problem! And I figured it was something like that. I was just letting you know. =3 Crystal Talian 08:43, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Can you help me?

Hello Crystal! I don't know If you remember me cause I joined maybe four months ago or longer but I was one of the users you welcomed. Since bulbapedia is so big and I'm a sotr of new user, I'm not exactly sure what to edit (I actually joined just to help with the tyrouge page due to the fact where tyrouge was wasn't completely said). So I was sort of wondering if you possibly have a simple easy task I could do to help out the wiki? --Minor Notes 23:00, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Just one last question

Hello, Crystal! Thanks for the suggestion of what to do. I just have one last question: for the trainer classes would it be possible to put a appearance section? I mostly noticed appearance is basically only used for pokemon and not for the human characters but I looked at another stub for a trainer class and it listed a appearance for both characters but it was in the section where game information was usually located. Well thanks for your help, bye!

Urgent

Hello Crystal Talian, please check your e-mail* as soon as possible, awaiting for your reply. Thank you. ♫♪ エイディニズ ♪♫ 10:47, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Signature move

Where is the problem? KyleRGiggs 09:01, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Wait until Force Fire replies to your question before reverting him. However, I believe the problem is that this is a move tutor move. It wasn't that only Blastoise could learn, but that the tutor refused to teach it to anyone else. Crystal Talian 09:02, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I am not reverting him actually, please check what I revert. KyleRGiggs 09:13, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Hitting "undo" is reverting. I did check before I said anything. However, the issue appears to have been resolved now. Crystal Talian 09:18, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Using templates

Instead of copying the code of the template Protect, simply write the template as such: {{Protect}}. ^ht14 21:36, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I thought I did? I didn't copy the code, at least. I wasn't sure what the what the template code was, so I mimicked the way you call a welcome template. I guess the "subst" was unnecessary. Ah, well. Noted. Thank you. Crystal Talian 21:39, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Subst is only used for Welcome template. :) All other templates do not use subst. ^ht14 21:40, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Got it. I'll be sure to remember for next time. Thanks! Crystal Talian 21:43, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in but, subst is usually used for message templates like {{subst:Userspace warning}} and {{subst:Preview button}}, not just for {{subst:Welcome}}. I beleive that subst is what signs those automatic message templates for you. --Pokemaster97 23:12, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I mentioned that. It's hidden, haha, but yeah, what Pokemaster97 said is true. ^ht14 23:32, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Derp, I didn't notice the hidden part sorry XD --Pokemaster97 23:38, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Then Let's Bring it Up With Staff

To the uneducated reader who knows nothing about Pokémon and is trying to decide which game to buy as their first, such entries as the one I attempted to correct can be very misleading. Anyone looking at the Butterfree or Metapod articles can easily see at the top of the article that it evolves from Caterpie, but cannot catch it in Black; however, the text in cases like Metapod suggests that a player who wants a Butterfree HAS to play White, and cannot trade the Pokémon from Black, thus requiring a player who wants to catch Reshiram (that was my deciding factor, I wanted the white legendary) to purchase White instead. This is completely misleading to an uneducated reader, and it is wrong to assume that everyone will understand that you can still evolve it in Black. After all, clicking a Caterpie link from Metapod's page already shows you can only catch Caterpie in White.

This is a task I'm willing to undertake myself as well, I'm just trying to establish a correct precedent. The existing one is entirely flawed. CycloneGU (talk) 01:04, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I understand your concern, and I agree that it is a good point. The next time I have the chance to talk with staff, I will bring up your point, and we will let you know when a decision is made on the subject. Crystal Talian 01:10, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. Give me a heads-up on my talk page when that occurs; I constantly refer back to things here more often than anywhere else, so I'll see it. Let the staff know I'm willing to take this on myself as well, and if I do make an odd mistake somewhere, they're welcome to clean up after me where necessary. Hopefully that won't happen very often. =D CycloneGU (talk) 01:14, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

thanks for the warm welcome

i wanted to thank you for welcoming me and i was wondering how to put those "this user ----" on my page and where to find them Maggiedroid (talk) 04:59, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

First, you're welcome. =3 And do you mean the usertags? Well, first you need to do some editing so you can start your own userpage. Don't ask me how many edits you need to do, it's a hidden number. Anyway, once you do that, you can look here for information on usertags. Have fun! Crystal Talian 06:06, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Name Translations

Hey Crystal Talian, I just saw your message and I just wanted to say, first, sorry about that, I'm not fluent in Japanese, and I was looking for something to edit, and I thought that I could do that by translating something from English to Japanese; second, that I didn't really know how the translations worked, which is why I translated the English names back into Japanese; and third, I don't own a Japanese copy of a Hoenn-based game (As I live in the US, and it's realtively hard to get one in and around where I live).The next time I edit a page on Bulbapedia, and any other site for that matter, I'll make sure I know what I'm doing before I start editing. I'll also make sure that the next I edit a page on the site, I'll make sure it will be not only tested personally, but also that it follows the conduct of Bulbapedia and that if it deals with another language that I'm not fluent in, I promise that I won't translate on this site until one of the following is true: A) I'm fluent in that language (I'm currently fluent in only English, but I'm working on becoming fluent in German) B) I use an offical site to translate (i.e. a govt. website) or C) If I'm thinking about editing, one of the above is true

I'll become fluent in any language, if needed. I am actually thinking about becoming fluent in Japanese, amongst a few other languages. One final thing, I wasn't really thinking about how the translating worked, especially with languages like English and Japanese, which have little to no connection. If you (Or another Bulbapedia staf member) have any problem with anything I edit, like this one, just feel free to edit that page back and tell me. Thanks for pointing that out, and telling me about how translating generally works. Thanks! Grayglove

A little help, please

I have been creating battlefield sections for the kingdoms of Pokémon Conquest and would like to create a battlefield page. It looks like I now have the right to create pages, so could you please tell me a bit about creating them? Sorry to bother you. The editing help doesn't help. LOL! Either way, I would really appreciate it if you helped me out. Eeveewithwings123 (talk) 21:50, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

You're not bothering me at all. As far as getting a page started, all you have to do is run a search for the title of the page you want to make, and click the link to create the page. As far as the content for that page, I suggest you look over the other Conquest pages and how they are written and set up, and then maybe go over the manual of style. Other than that, just go with your instincts. Good luck and have fun! Crystal Talian 03:07, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Umm... I've been too busy to do the page yet (and a bit scared, I know it's stupid to worry about it, I'm just not that good at codes and all), but what would you use for a suffix to show that the article is for the conquest games and not any others? Thanks in advance!--Eeveewithwings123 (talk) 16:01, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Since we don't have any other battlefield pages, a suffix isn't needed to distinguish it. But if you're wanting to make a different page that will need a distinction, the suffix would be (Conquest). I don't think it would be needed for any pages at the moment, though. Crystal Talian 00:28, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I've suddenly lost my ability to create pages... Why? Eeveewithwings123 (talk) 14:24, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Can you tell me what the name of the page you're trying to create is? And what message it gives you when you try to create a page? You may be trying to create a page under a protected namespace. Crystal Talian 07:11, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

A question

Hello Crystal! I have a question and I thought you would probably be able to answer it. Can any user, including the ones that are admins or higher, use obscenities on their user pages? I was just sort of wondering since I found this bureaucrat, User:Darkeiya, using a obscenity in a user box and that confused me since I thought Bulbapedia had rules against that.If you could answer my question I would greatly appreciate it. Minor Notes (talk) 03:51, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

There are rules against it in mainspace articles. However, so long as it is within reason and not specifically directed at a person (or group of people), its allowed on userpages and talkpages. So long as it is not excessive, it's nothing to worry about. Thank you for your concern, though. Crystal Talian 04:35, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Thankyou for answering my question. The obscenity is directed at a villian in the game so does that change it or is it just different if it is directed at a living person?Minor Notes (talk) 16:04, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Only a living person, as it would then be against the Code of Conduct. Crystal Talian 03:51, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for answering my question yet again. Now take for instance the God the Christians believe is real and say that some one uses a obscenity and directs it at that God, would that have to be taken down since Christians believe He is real or would it simply be ignored since not everyone believes He is real?Minor Notes (talk) 23:38, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

That would be offensive to a particular group of people, so that would not be allowed. To put it simply, swearing is okay in the userspace and talkpages so long as it is not offensive to a person or persons. So, if someone is swearing at at game, a game character, or nothing in particular, then that is fine. On the other hand, if someone is directing that obscenity at a person, people, entity, or concept that insults or offends someone, it would not be allowed. If you think that something you want to say might offend someone, then don't say it. Crystal Talian 04:44, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your help Crystal! I thought by leaving you a message you might get back to me the next month (since I have had dreadful experiences on talk pages for articles and I thought this would be the same) but I was very surprised that you got back to me in less then a day. Thank you so much for answering my questions but I'm afraid I've got another one (I believe this one will be my last). Now say for instance a user takes a word that is less then a obscenity but is in the same category and then put the word God in front of it and then uses that word to insult themselves. Would that be allowed because they were insulting themselves or would that be not allowed for they would be insulting both God and themselves? I was wondering about that after seeing a user do that exact thing.Minor Notes (talk) 23:45, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

I really can't run through every possible scenario. The main thing is to avoid offending people. If you think you're going to offend someone, just don't say it. If you're worried about something someone else said, staff will get to it if it is a problem (and if the user hasn't already been banned). Bulbapedia does not discriminate against any race, religion, or ethnic background. If someone is openly expressing discretions against these groups they will be blocked indefinitely whether they use swear words or not. In the case of the provided situation, it would not be allowed as it may offend some people. Crystal Talian 00:45, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your help but I think I would just annoy the staff...Minor Notes (talk) 02:37, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Moving Sections

Crystal i am new and i made a new section on a page and how do i move it to a new place(Icestar649 (talk) 22:22, 19 December 2012 (UTC))

Hello. First, please add new talkpage comments to the bottom of the page. I've moved this comment for you. To move the section you created, all you need to do is copy-paste it to the area of the page where you want to be (make sure you delete it from the original area so it isn't on the page twice). However, I would suggest simply putting the section in the correct area of the page to begin with. To bring up the whole page for editing, just click the "edit this page" tab at the top of page and add the new section where it needs to be. I went ahead and looked over the section you added, and removed it as it was not the right style for this website. Please work your grammar and do not use "you" when writing for articles here. I would suggest that you look over the manual of style, it'll help you out with some of the basics of editing here. Crystal Talian 22:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Dear Crystal Tailan, thank you so much for the help and time you have given me. I hope you have a happy new year and a merry Christmas. Because your favourite pokemon is evee, I recoloured it and turned it into a Christmas evee by using Christmas colour (red and green). I hope you like it and have a great day. Minor Notes (talk) 02:37, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I do like it. Thank you so much for your thoughtful gift. <3 Crystal Talian 05:01, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Your welcome.--Minor Notes (talk) 14:12, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Shuckle

Shuckle going to make Rare Candy from Berry Juice. However sadly, the function was removed. --Samueljoo (talk) 06:54, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes? May I please ask why you are telling me this? Crystal Talian 10:23, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Ask what?

Ask what? --Samueljoo (talk) 09:04, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Why did you tell me about Shuckle? Or is this message referring to the one I recently left you? Crystal Talian 09:06, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't know who to ask I thought you might

Hello Crystal. My brother made a account (his user name is NOBODY) and he for some reason isn't getting a conformation email no matter how many times he clicks on the thing to get it. I'm not exactly sure who to ask about this and I thought you might know. If you can tell me who to ask that would be great. Have a nice day. --Minor Notes (talk) 20:11, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Check the spam folder to make sure that it hasn't got caught by the spam filter? Werdnae (talk) 05:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Help please

I cannot edit my user page and I would like to remove all my data. I do not want to make any further edits other than removing all the text on my user page. Please help. Bageese (talk) 09:12, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

If you are leaving the site and wish for your page to be deleted, staff will take care of that for you. The reason why you can't edit your page is because new users have to make a certain number of mainspace contributions before they are allowed to edit their userpages. I realize that you are not a new user, but you have not made any edits since this rule was put in place a long time ago. So, the restriction is having an effect on you as well. If you wish to stay, you simply need to make some contributions and you'll be able to edit your page again. Crystal Talian 22:41, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Can you just delete my account for me then? That would be appreciated, I'm more of a reader, not a contributor. =) Bageese (talk) 01:01, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

We have deleted your page for you, but we can't actually remove the whole account. If you don't want to log into it, you don't have to do so. The only thing that will remain is your talkpage for archival reasons. Crystal Talian 01:13, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

"If there are six, it's not notable"

Technically, it's only five, since Deoxys differs via forme. Is five a small enough number out of 650 to be deemed notable? Sweeping statistics like this at a glance are of considerable use to people who play competitively. Jumpman16 (talk) 03:54, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid that five is still too many. We also don't typically include competitive based trivia. Crystal Talian 04:00, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Article about Misty's Gyarados

Hello, im bringing this up because way article about Gyarados was written brings confusion among fans making it seem like things are based on assumptions rather than actual proof itself. Its listed on main page as Misty pokemon, but in article about Gyarados way its worded make it seem like its gym pokemon. Which many fans find confusing judging by comments you can read online.

Since going by canon and what was showed in anime from moment Misty earned its trust Gyarados was showed to be used and trained only by her. One of proof to this was revealed in episode "Togepi Mirage" when Misty stated how she trained Gyarados teaching it flamethrower. Like its been already brought up in article Gyarados seem to establish special bond with Misty , bond we never saw existing between him and Daisy, Violet or LIly. Before MIsty returned to gym earning its respect it was also showed how he didn't listened to anyone being out of control, until Misty intervened choosing to be her partner and nothing afterwards indicate how anyone else beside Misty use him befriending it.

Which is one of basic ways trainers acquire new pokemon.Otherwise if we are going to count only captured pokemon as ones which belong to someone, than same logic could be applied to Dawn Togekiss or Brock Onix which they received as gifts from others. Or all befriended pokemon others acquired on travels. In comparison all Brock pokemon are currently at gym, but that doesn't mean they belong to gym and new gym leader Forest.

Gyarados may be gym pokemon before(even though in canon such thing has never been stated), but that doesn't necessarily mean it still belongs to gym with canon treating it more as Misty's than gym pokemon. There are plenty other gym pokemon like Dewgong, Shelder, Goldeen etc but we don't see Misty taking them with her outside the gym, nor she was ever showed to be using them.Let alone being listed as her pokemon. Only Gyarados is being taken with her whenever she leaves gym being treated in similar manner like Corsola, Staryu and other pokemon which belong to her are.It was also showed how she is the only one training it, learning flamethrower in process. Likewise on every site whether its SPPF, or some Japanese poke site Gyarados is listed as one of Misty pokemon with only bulbapedia causing confusion listing it at same time both as Misty and gym pokemon?

Therefore i believe judging by what canon showed so far it would be more accurate to classify Gyarados as Misty rather than gym pokemon since unlike its case with other pokemon we reliably know belong to Cerulean, Gyarados is another story bring showed to have special bond only with Misty listening, training and being taken with her whenever she leaves gym. For all aforementioned reasons wouldn't it be more authentic to say how Gyarados is pokemon Misty befriended, since its treated basically like every pokemon which belongs to Misty? --Pokemon fan 132 (talk) 08:46, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I wanted to ask before reverting this image to an earlier version

Somehow, [[[1]]] seems like a hazard to epileptics. Or non epileptics. Or any one, really --Shadowater (talk) 07:14, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

The current version is fine. I doubt it'll cause any seizures, as the movement is slow and small. Thank you for your concern, though. Crystal Talian 07:59, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Move trivia

I don't think that "the only non-X-type Pokémon that can learn the move" trivia should be on the move pages, since you can see it easily just by looking at the move lists (which is why sprite trivia isn't allowed). For example, when you read the Poison Gas page, you'll notice immediately that Drowzee and Hypno are the only Psychic types without having to read the trivia section.--電禅Den Zen 21:50, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I considered that, but it really doesn't belong on Pokémon species pages either. Being the only one not of a type to learn it is potentially notable, but the major question is where to put it. It is easily visible on the move pages, but it's not really relevant on the species pages since it's more about the move than the Pokémon. I will look into the best place to put them tonight. Crystal Talian 22:09, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm also dumbfounded as to why you reverted my edits. In my opinion, all those reversions and pseudo-reversions of yours should be reverted, as the trivia does not belong in the move articles (see my talk page), and if it is notable, then of course the species articles are the appropriate locations. Really can't follow the logic in the argument that the content is not relevant for the species articles. How is it not? I'd even say it's more about the Pokémon than the move. Do you think that the fact that Bagon and its evolutionary relatives are the only non-Fire-type Pokémon to learn Ember says more about Ember than the Pokémon? I don't. I'd appreciate it if you could just undo your brash actions, disregarding any face-saving that could be gained from arguing and making this "major question" more complicated than it has to be; there are two location options, one is inapproriate due to being beyond redundant, the other is not - species articles if notable, nowhere if not notable. That was the conclusion I reached when editing, reflected in my edit summaries, so if you want to oppose that, at least make up your mind before reverting. Also, it appears your reversions are made without regard to my grammar-fixes (compare your restored Flame Wheel (move) to what you removed from Rattata (Pokémon)), which is, you know, counterproductive. Yvnr (talk) 16:00, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

How to add pictures

I really want to add a picture, how? Gelato Gelato (talk) 01:40, 29 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

Pictures need to be uploaded to the Bulbagarden Archives before the they can be added to Bulbapedia. Crystal Talian 05:48, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

I remembered in Answer.com

Somebody copied information from Regigas.Gelato Gelato (talk) 01:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

If it's only to Answer.com, then it's not something to worry about. Crystal Talian 05:48, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

About Pupitar?

In the Pokédex entries of Pupitar in FireRed and Silver it describes Pupitar as fast, but it is not really that fast for a Pokemon at Level 30. And I would aalso like to add "despite its Pokédex entries it can be damage by steel-type.Gelato Gelato (talk) 05:34, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

Pokedex entries do not necessarily relate to in-game mechanics. The games can only do so much. Crystal Talian 05:36, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

How about in the trivia section of Escavalier: "Although Escavalier's Pokédex entry states that it flies around at high speed, its base speed is among the lowest of all known Pokémon, at just 20, nor can this species have the Ability Levitate.".Gelato Gelato (talk) 08:42, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

I will be removing that when I can get to it. Staff had a discussion a short while ago, and it was decided to remove trivia such as this. However, as there are currently over six hundred Pokémon, it is difficult to remove all the trivia at once. Crystal Talian 09:29, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

"Out of three Pokemon, so not notable"

Since this is noting a record, and not a peculiar trait, I don't see how this notability requirement enters into it. Would you remove the similar record from the Hydreigon article if it was shared with two other species? Yvnr (talk) 07:54, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

I can understand why you didn't respond to my message in the "Move trivia" section, since that wasn't entirely a question, and (judging from the current state of the articles) it seems like I got through anyway, but ignoring this question seems against the purpose of talk pages. How does this not merit a response? (A week has passed, and you've been actively replying to/handling subsequent talk page messages from other users.) Yvnr (talk) 10:33, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

I apologize for your wait, but I have not replied because there is not currently an answer to give. Stat trivia is under discussion among staff and a decision has yet to be reached. For the time being, trivia relating to highest/lowest stat is remaining on the site regardless of a tie or not. However, the majority of staff agrees that the tie for "lowest level required for evolution" is not notable. Neither are most other ties. However, since a few are still being discussed, I did not want to reply and give you the wrong information as that would cause problems later. Crystal Talian 02:51, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Very well, thank you for informing me - no need to follow up here when you're done discussing. Yvnr (talk) 08:02, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Tyranitar

About Tyranitar that was so stupid of me :3. I don't know how to describe it but if you look above the scaled (a reference from Larvitar's page)blue rhombus you can see the armor fom the lower body is not connected to the armor on the upper body.Gelato Gelato (talk) 08:46, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

You mean that the scales overlap? Crystal Talian 09:29, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes!Gelato Gelato (talk) 09:53, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

That doesn't mean they aren't connected. Just that they overlap and you can't see where they connect. Crystal Talian 04:32, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Mew's name origin

According to Webster's Universal English Thesaurus: mew vb confine, coop, encase, enclose, imprison;cast, change, mold, shed. That is why I said Mew's name origin comes from the word (don't worry I'm going to change it into verb when I edit)mew.Gelato Gelato (talk) 12:29, 30 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

Just because a word can mean something, doesn't mean that it does in every case. The usage of the word in this way seems unlikely (and therefore not notable) in Mew's origin. Crystal Talian 04:32, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

..., for example:"The chameleon mew its color."Gelato Gelato (talk) 05:33, 5 April 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

"Mew" is more often used in reference to birds moulting. Is that an example of your own, or one from another website? Because my research indicates that it only used to indicate a change in birds. An example from the Oxford dictionary: "the eyasses clung dully to their leashes as if they were mewing", referring to hawks in moult. The definition "to confine" is also primary used in reference to birds used for hawking. This has nothing to do with the Pokémon Mew. Crystal Talian 05:42, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

My own. Well cloud and sky are completely different in definition, but their synonymous because they come from the same latin word.Gelato Gelato (talk) 05:54, 5 April 2013 (UTC)Gelato Glato

The clouds are the sky are not synonymous simply because they come from the same word. You cannot use "sky" to mean "cloud" or vice versa. The word "mew" coming from the same word as "mutant" does not mean it should be added to Mew's page in the context of "change". This word used in this way has a strong connotation towards birds, which the Pokémon clearly is not. It is notable to have mutant in Mew's name origin, but that is already there. Crystal Talian 06:02, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

My English Teacher said that. Ok. Ok.Gelato Gelato (talk) 09:36, 5 April 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

Best Eeveelution?

Who is the best eeveelution? And why/ If none, why Eevee?Gelato Gelato (talk) 05:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

Talkpages really aren't the place to discuss stuff like this. You're welcome to talk about it with me and other users on the forums, however. Crystal Talian 06:18, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Gender

Are the gender of N's Pokémon's set?Gelato Gelato (talk) 13:48, 17 May 2013 (UTC)Gelato Gelato

Regarding the my Darumaka edit

Is there a way that I could present the info that would be appropriate? Antiyonder (talk) 03:56, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

If it is not already there, I would put it in the Trivia section of the page for the episode. It may also go in the Trivia section of Darumaka's page. Crystal Talian 04:02, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Cartoon Network

How reliable is Cartoon Network? They have BW123 as Farewell, Unova! Setting Sail for New Adventures!, and on the List of anime episodes, it's just Farewell, Unova!. — Reshi643 03:12, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

It would be better to check the official site for episode titles if possible. The absolute best source to use is the title card of the episode itself when it aired on TV, the second would be the DVD title card (they occasionally make corrections, which are usually mentioned as trivia), third would be the official site, and the Cartoon Network would be at the bottom of the pecking order. So while CN is somewhat reliable, we would prefer the use of a different source if possible. Crystal Talian 03:43, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

BW134

Should all of the Pokémon under the Photographs section be listed under the Minor appearances of their own pages? — Reshi643 19:30, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes. I believe they should as we have done that for other Pokémon who have appeared as pictures or photographs. Crystal Talian 19:37, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Reversion of Special abilities section initiative

I expected that edit to be reverted in a flash due to not being protocol or whatever, so here goes the discussion. Your comment: "I am aware other pages do this, but this not meant to be a list of moves learned (even rare ones) we try to limit this only to signature moves." I am not aware other pages do this, which pages do this? Of course it's not meant to be a list of moves learned, those are in the Learnset sections, what are you getting at? Summarizing which "rare" moves the various species can learn by leveling up, in their Special abilities sections, was clearly my intention, and if I may say so, an almost objective improvement of these sections, spot on in terms of subject matter. Full implementation would of course wait until a threshold has been decided and Generation VI has been launched. Instead of telling me that it's not protocol, and you prefer to only include "signature moves", why don't you explain why you think my initiative is not a good idea, which will improve these sections? Or in case you're not acting out of direct disagreement, refer me to whoever it is you think you're pleasing by reverting this initiative of mine. Yvnr (talk) 08:02, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Many pages provide a list of "notable" or rarely learned moves. As for which pages, pretty much every Pokemon species page we have. Bulbasaur alone is a good example of what I mean. The problem here is that we do not want any moves other than signature moves or previously signature moves listed in a Pokemon's biology section. The reason they have not been removed yet is because of an upcoming change in the biology section. It'll be easier to make the changes together instead of making many individual edits. I actually did not remove your edit due to any protocol regarding changes. Although, as I have told you before, any change that will affect or be implented on a large number of pages should be discussed before it is implemented anywhere. New ideas should not be tested in the mainspace. Mainspace testing creates large inconsistencies across pages, as well as a couple of other problems. Please, if you have an idea for a change, bring it up with staff first or test it in your userpace. Thanks. Crystal Talian 12:20, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

The Bulbasaur article lists 13 moves, and uses colorful language. By my method, using a threshold, only 1 move (i.e. Seed Bomb (Bulbasaur does not learn Power Whip or Bullet Seed by leveling up)) would be listed, and it would not be presented in colorful language. As such, I think that is a horrible example, and focusing on these supposed similar instances in your reply derails the discussion - I don't know of any, so they played no role in my editing. You say that you (we) do not want any moves other than "signature moves" listed, but I asked you to explain this opinion, not repeat it. And I don't see how this initiative has to interfere with these "upcoming changes", which I have no idea what are about, as you ignored to elaborate on them back in April at my talk page, section "Examples in the Mainspace". It's not really testing, neither was the Tynamo edit, which you similarly reprimanded me on back in April; they're single edits, improving the encyclopedic article, breaking no rules whatsoever, not forcing other articles to follow suit, and even easy to revert. You're telling me to bring it up with staff first, and at the same time, you (a member of staff) refuse to actually discuss this initiative upon my invitation, right here. I don't know what to make of that, really. And I've used talk pages a lot, when my ideas involve large changes, but you can see for yourself how much that has achieved so far, even when people do agree with me. I feel like you have a habit of just removing content without addressing the idea itself, sometimes without even making sense. This is without mentioning your actions (or lack thereof) in relation to the matter "discussed" on your talk page, section "Move trivia". I've even got a section on my own talk page named after you, completely incognito, out of the blue, still clueless as to how that came about. If you have to disapprove of an idea, can't you at least engage in dialogue about the actual idea, or otherwise leave the reversions to people who are willing to do so? Yvnr (talk) 13:38, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

A Pokemon's moveset has nothing to do with its special abilities. If more than one Pokemon can learn a move by any means at all, then it is not special to that Pokemon. This is why we would ideally like to include only signature or previously signature moves. They are unique and therefore "special" to that particular Pokemon. "Single" mainspace edits such as your Tynamo and Munna edits are not actually singular. They set a standard. If we note something or display something on one page, we must be consistent and do it on all similar pages. So when you, or anyone else, adds references (as in the Tynamo edit) or set a certain standard (such as Munna) then all similar pages should do the same for consistency. Not to do so is unprofessional and, frankly, sloppy looking. If you wish to discuss topics like this more thoroughly, then you should create a topic on the Pokemon's or on the Pokedex Projects talkpages where it's easier for more members (and staff) to respond to it, rather than relying on my input alone. Crystal Talian 21:15, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

That's quite the bold statement; that the moves (manifestations of the powers a Pokémon possesses) a Pokémon is programmed to learn by leveling up (the most specific, direct manner of "distribution") "has nothing to do with its special abilities". The remainder of your argument hinges on equaling "special" with "unique"...may I suggest changing the section title in case that's the intended definition of the word? The can't-be-more-than-1-out-of-all-instances-argument, while often highly relevant, is not applicable to everything; you're dealing with more than 600 instances (similarities are bound to occur), and the information being cut due to enforcing this argument is not some new trivia point or whatever, but information concerning the exact subject matter of the target section. I still disagree regarding those two edit examples. They may set a standard, but that's not what constitutes the problem. What matters is whether that standard is an improvement to the site or not; if it is, consistency will eventually come around. Clearly, you wouldn't remove something good just because it makes the remaining articles look "sloppy"; you obviously remove the content because you find it adverse. This would be fine if you actually addressed/discussed the proposed idea, but your lack of involvement has been plainly obvious from this exchange. And that is unfortunate, so yes, if my ideas are to be dismissed, I would prefer "discussing them more thoroughly". With uninvolved, reverting patrollers like you around, I suppose there's no other way than proposing ideas via discussion pages, drawing from userspace page examples. If that's the way Bulbapedia is to be run, then so be it. Let's see how that goes. Case rested. Yvnr (talk) 17:54, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

For future reference, you would've saved about 6,500 bytes of futile discussion if you had told me right away that the Special abilities sections were being abandoned—without these, the initiative is irrelevant. Yvnr (talk) 07:08, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Why?

Why did you delete my edit on emolga habitat because i thought it was a good edit. Im trying to do good additional edits so i can make my account auto-confirmed.--Oshawott213 (talk) 21:38, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Because, if you look at the areas where Emolga are found, most of them are not forests. If you can show me some evidence that Emolga are particularly likely to be found in forests over other areas, I will happily restore your edit. However, you should not be focusing on becoming auto-confirmed. Your focus should just be good edits in general. Crystal Talian 21:47, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Additionally, you should not add something back after it has been removed. If you have problem with the removal of one your edits, you bring it up on the talkpage. Do not simply put it on the page again. That's called edit-warring and is against the rules. Crystal Talian 21:50, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

The new conventions

I recently read your MftE, and I was wondering why the changes have only been applied to Bulbasaur's page. Is that incoherence something to be fixed by the staff when this wiki is temporarily locked down due to XY? オリジナル TheOriginalOne 15:59, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Every page is being worked on currently. And can be done by anyone, not just staff. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 16:09, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Why remove Biology

Why are you removing most of the biology subsections like Habitat for all the Pokemon. I think it was nice to know where some Pokemon live and if they're incorrect don't remove the entire section like an idiot and update it with relevant accurate information. Removing it is a bad move. - unsigned comment from Xx dan xx (talk • contribs)

If you've read the message from the editor on the main page, you would know why. The staff has decided to condense and rewrite the biology section into one section as it was really all over the place. The habitat is still there, just combined into one paragraph with all the other things, the only habitat related thing removed were the habitat icons as they only apply to 365/649 Pokémon. And please don't insult a staff member, saying that they're removing things like an idiot goes against the code of conduct.--ForceFire 13:16, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Shellder Biology and Biology for forme changing Pokémon

How are we suppose to go about bringing the biology of Pokémon with multiple formes up to code? Shellder has three different shells, two of which due to a parasitic relationship with Slowpoke. Then we have Pokémon like the Kami trio who have a normal form and a forme change. Is there a certain structure to follow? Yamitora1 (talk) 02:03, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Pokemon like Kami trio will need a paragraph or so describing their separate forms. This can be done similar to how the Mega Evolutions were handled on Blaziken and Ampharos's pages. Shellder can be handled in the same way. Since the Slowbro and Slowking forms are so similar, a single paragraph should be plenty to describe both. Crystal Talian 02:16, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I hope I did it right. Yamitora1 (talk) 20:07, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Biology Sections

Scolipede's Biology section wasn't rewritten, just to let you know.

Also what's wrong with just removing the irrelevant headers? It's not like anybody is going to diefaint because of it. --eww a stupid person. D: 12:28, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

As I said, simply removing the headers makes it difficult to tell which Pokemon have been appropriately brought up to date and which have not. It creates an unnecessary amount of complication. Crystal Talian 13:01, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

How was my edit any different from this one? --The Truth 13:49, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

It's not so much that the edits are different, it's the way I was looking at them. I looked at Scolipede without looking at the changes made. Also, I had the time to make corrections on Scolipede when I checked it - as you can see if you look farther ahead in the history. I looked at the differences on your edit, and did not have the time to make corrections. You're welcome to help with the project, it is just very much preferred that you bring the article as up to date as possible as opposed to simply removing headers. Crystal Talian 21:48, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Something like this? --The Truth aka Relicant 13:30, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Your recent biology edits have been much better. Keep up the good work! Crystal Talian 00:47, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Biology Content

I've been adding Pokédex info to Biology sections of Pokémon such as Butterfree's ever since the new format was introduced. I assumed Biology would be split into 2 or 3 paragraphs: one of its physical description, another of its Pokédex data, and another of other data (anime-specific abilities, such as Bulbasaur's Bulba-by, etc). Unfortunately, we were never given a specific structure with which to write Biologies. Our only reference is Bulbasaur, whose Biology is structured as: physical description with some Pokédex info, anime-exclusive info, habitat and even more anime info. That list of data is clunky, inconsistent, and mixes anime canon with game canon.

It needs to be restructured. Too little source material (Pokédex) is shown, but info that is canon in only one media (the anime) is ever-present. It needs to be explicitly stated when info comes from anything other than the games. I chose to bug you about this since you seem the most active with this new little project. Thank you for giving attention to this. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest 14:04, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

The goal with the biology rewrite is to form cohesive, flowing paragraphs that are a culmination of all the biological information that we know and can confirm. Placement of the information should be based on the information itself, not its source. For example, if the anime reveals a special ability, that information should go in a paragraph about special abilities. If this means putting something from the anime in a paragraph mainly consisting of game data, then that's fine. When we say it needs to be clear where the information comes from, we are referring to the reference links. These links are used to confirm the validity of the statement, not to divide canons.

As for how many paragraphs and on what topic each Pokemon gets, that's going to depend entirely on the Pokemon. Some Pokemon have a lot of available information, whereas as others do not. In general, each Pokemon should have a paragraph on anatomy and/or physiology and a paragraph on abilities or other available data. However, some Pokemon have very little information and both of these topics can be combined into a single paragraph. Others will require more paragraphs covering other topics because we know more about them. It has to be done on a case by case basis.

Bulbasaur in particular has been looked over by a number of staff members, and it has been agreed that it is fine the way it is written now. Crystal Talian 00:47, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Meowstick

Why aren't we allowed to keep this redirect?--The Truth aka Relicant 17:49, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

For one thing, we shouldn't encourage misspellings. If it had been misspelled in an official source, I'd say fine. But if the only place was a leak on fansite, I really don't think it's necessary at all. Yes, it's one letter off from the official spelling, I realize that. However, I don't see it being a common mistake. If it becomes an issue, we can discuss adding it back at a later date. But for now, I see no real reason to keep it other than to encourage misspellings. Crystal Talian 17:53, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

That's an alarmingly prescriptivist reasoning, don't you think? People who are going to misspell it are going to do so whether or not we have a redirect; not having one just means it'll be harder for them to find the page they want. Isn't that completely contrary to the point of being a community encyclopedia? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:56, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

When, before it was deleted, he discussed that with me, I said the same thing. But then he gave me examples of the same stuff and said the list went on. And more things. Here's the conversation as a reference オリジナル TheOriginalOne 17:58, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I am well aware of the discussion that have been going on. And Pumpkinking, yes, people will misspell it regardless. However, we cannot account for every possible misspelling and this one has not proven itself common yet. If we have the redirect, it shows up as a suggestion on the search bar and that will certainly encourage it as a common misspelling. I'd rather wait and see if it becomes a common misspelling without our help. Crystal Talian 18:24, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

For the record, "encouraging misspellings" only counts when the redirect has "(Pokémon)" attached to it; that's not what's allowed. Several pokémon have misspelled redirects because, in moderation, they do no harm unless they're linked to without the {{p}}. Meowstick has been in circulation as the name of a pokémon since May (6,760 Google results), but since this a fan name and not a common misspelling (unlike Ninetails and Ratata, which people still get iffy over even years after their release), it falls under the rules of "Smugleaf": not unless an official publication used it. (Zoroaaku falls under alternate katakana reading.) Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 18:43, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Dwebble/Dig

Very sorry new to this. Did Dwebble not use dig because it burrowed into the ground in a very similar manner to how passage does. Furthermore he does it like the three wild Dwebble he fought in the episode and they are considered to be using Dig - unsigned comment from Rahl (talk • contribs)

This is something you should bring up on the article's talkpage. However, I can tell you that we do not typically count something as a move unless it is explicitly stated to be so. Dwebble is perfectly capable of digging without using the move itself. Also, please sign talk page comments with ~~~~. Thanks! Crystal Talian 17:59, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Biology project

Hello, I am Blazingfist and I've been asked to help during the lockdown with anything pertaining to XY's release. However, I've also been told by Kogoro that I could be helpful in the Biology project you've set up. I would gladly like to help. Is there, at this moment, anything particular I can do pertaining to the Biology project? If so, I would gladly like to hear it. I am sorry by the way if this isn't the correct way to contact you about this. ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 21:39, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

This is a fine way to contact me. The project's main focus right now is switching the biology sections over to the new format, as detailed in the most recent "Message from the Editor" on the front page. More detailed instructions on how to do that can be found here and a list of progress can be found here (the "revised" column is for those that have been switched to the new format, while the "checked" column is for ones staff has done gone over and approved). Anything you can do to help with the format switch would be great, and feel free to ask any other questions you may have. Thanks! Crystal Talian 23:26, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

"More than one is not notable"

... Last time I checked, it was. Before T-tar gained a weakness we had trivia on the pages of all Grass/Psychic and Ice/Grass Pokémon stating they were part of a small group of Pokémon with seven weaknesses, which even today is the most weaknesses any Pokémon can have. Clawitzer and Lucario are the only two Pokémon capable of learning all the pulse/wave/whatever moves, so it's more exclusive than the seven weaknesses club and therefore notable. --The Truth aka Relicant 13:03, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Those were removed under the same rule that means the pulse moves should be removed. Just because something wrong existed once doesn't mean it's OK and can be used as precedent; it just means either nobody noticed it or nobody bothered to take the time to fix it. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 14:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I'd say only two Pokémon out of 718 is notable. --The Truth aka Relicant 15:32, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Could you please tell me whether or not the Trivia I've been removing from Charizard's article is notable or not? It falls under the same clause as the Clawitzer and Lucario trivia removed yesterday. --The Truth aka Relicant 18:01, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

I feel that they're fundamentally different: the Clawitzer and Lucario trivia are trying to say "these two are unlike all other Pokemon", which is unnotable because they are not unlike all other Pokemon, since they are like each other. The species names trivia are saying "these Pokemon have this in common", which is different from "these Pokemon are unlike others". In any case, if the species name trivia is ruled unnotable, be aware that there are dozens (perhaps over a hundred?) pages that you're gonna need to remove it from, since it's already on all Pokemon articles that have species names in common with other Pokemon. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:58, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Just my two cents after reviewing the pieces in question, I believe they're both notable pieces of trivia. If a species shares a species name with other Pokémon, then it's okay if that has more than one, because it's still a unique trait that only a small selection of Pokémon share. As for the base stat trivia, it mentions how it's a similarity between the two Pokémon families, but it doesn't contradict the statement of the trivia point. --Pokemaster97 20:43, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Pokemon Y: My Christmas

I'm going to have 3DS and Pokemon Y Version, but my mother said only christmas time. Samueljoo (talk) 11:45, 25 October 2013 (UTC)