Talk:Eeveelution

Who coined the term? Pokéball 23:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

It is a fanon term but we use it because it was a name of a TCG deck. Pokemaniac102

Hey I made a new Eeveelutions page. I think you'll find it to be very informative! click here. The Espeon Master . 07:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't someone mention that Leafeon and Glaceon have appeared in the anime, just not in person and that Glaceon will appear in DP076?Pkmnluvr25 03:49, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Is it fanon?

Im sure the term eeveelution isnt fanon because i just seen the new Majestic Dawn advert. Its the UK one with a 3d eevee stood in the middle of some ruins looking at cards of all of it's evolutions. The advert said "Collect a new Eeveelution! It's not fanon, its official. Should I change it?Davidaipom 15:18, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

It was originally a fanon term, and hence still is, but Wizards chose to use the term for their Eeveelution theme deck, and a World Champion also named his deck the Eeveelutions theme deck. That's also the reason it's used in the Majestic Dawn advert, yes. Cipher 16:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe the term "Eeveelutions" has grown in popularity to the point that it might as well be an official name. Diachronos 18:20, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Point made. ^ht 14 05:18, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I think we should probably consider the term a Pokémon equivalent of what Generation 1 is to the Transformers franchise. A term started in fanon that eventually fell into official usage. --Shiningpikablu252 05:22, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Shot in Movie 11

Anyone know were one of those might be found? Serebii has one but its not especially good quality. The scene would fit with the article. Aura-Knight 23:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Aura-Knight 03:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

May I add this?

i was reading the Nintendo Power Stadium 2 Guild and in the back it said Eeveelution. --Pokéboy93 05:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Gen IV Envolutions

Though unlike their evolutionary cousins, they were not available early on in Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, they are in fact available early on in Pokémon Platinum, even before the player has gotten the third badge.

That's halfway correct. You can get Leafeon before the third badge, but not Glaceon. Should it be changed, or left the way it is?--Gou 20:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Would

this make a good FAC? Cu bo ne King 03:16, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

If you think so, nominate it. Turt wig A (talk | contribs) 03:17, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

It is the best fandom article, but I don't want to make myself look like an idiot. Cu bo ne King 03:18, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I'd support it. It has great comparison boxes and fandom info.--♫Green ♫ギャラドス♫Talk♫ 03:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I have a question.

Considering that there are now seasons (as of Generation V), does that mean that we can expect to be able to get the eeveelutions in Black and White? --Pokemon26 20:02, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

~~Are you serious??? All new Pokémon were released a month ago.--でんのう ☢ Zえんし 20:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)~~

Sorry, misread your message. You can get evosotnes, day/night/happiness exists and there are ice and moss rock.--でんのう ☢ Zえんし 20:12, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for apologizing,Dennou Zenshi. I was just asking about the eeveelutions just because I wanted to know if that was possible. I knew that all the Pokemon for Generation 5 were released a month ago.--Pokemon26 00:44, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

DRAGON ESPEON!!??

I've just changed Espeon from dragon type to phycic type (probably vandels) no need to thank me :D --Matty19892009 18:33, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

eevee moveset?

anyone consider adding eevee's moveset to the template? why is it missing anyway other than the fact that it stop learning new moves at level 57? -Pokeant 05:53, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

The first sentence: "An Eeveelution is a popular term among fans used for the current group of seven Pokémon that evolve from Eevee." It does not describe Eevee. ^ht 14 18:00, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Then why is eevee listed with the gen 1 eeveelutions? -Pokeant 14:01, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Also, I would have liked to see Eevee's moveset in there not because it isn't or is technically an Eeveelution, but so that I can decide when a good time to evolve it would be in a convenient template. ~ Ribose · talk · cntr · 04:59, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Ribose. The article becomes much more practical/useful if Eevee's moveset is added since, of course each eeveelution can know the moves learnt by Eevee, and for timing the evolution optimally (above). If the movelist shouldn't be added, then the paragraph and side-template for Eevee should probably be removed for consistency (as per Pokeant). Nytik 18:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Stab

It has BITE as a stab move for eevee. Grass is the best (talk) 01:59, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

It's in bold italics which means that it will get STAB when it evolves (in this case, Umbreon).--Force Fire 02:02, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't notice the italics. Grass is the best (talk) 23:57, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Stat Chart

While having each one's individual chart is nice, what about a collective chart comparing them like the legendary trio pages have? Drake Clawfang (talk) 03:57, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I like the idea. We have a moveset comparison, so why not a stat one? --SnorlaxMonster 04:35, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

So, looking at the legendary pages it looks like they use templates designed specifically for trios. So it seems the even Eeveelutions would need a new template for themselves. Drake Clawfang (talk) 23:51, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Ninfia

We can add a Generation VI subsection and state that Ninfia will be available in it. Also, for the anime section we can add a bit about how all of them will be featured in the upcoming short before the next movie. And the number of Eeveelutions at the top of the page needs to be changed from seven to eight. --CoolDudeAl (talk) 23:43, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Done. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ ♥ 00:20, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Trivia

During Generations II and III it was possible to have an in-game party of six consisting solely of Eevee and all its evolutions.

No, this is not possible ever since GS. In-game party is only six. In those generation you could use Eevee in one slot and all five of its then evolutions in the remaining five slots. Not possible post-Generation III because Eevee has more than 5 evolutions. --Hoenn Master 19:05, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Hence why it says only in Generations II and III. I don't get what you're trying to say? ----samm :) (talk) 20:29, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, because that is how I worded it, and now it has been removed because the person who removed it say "isn't that possible in every game since GS?". But it has not. Those two Generations were the only ones this was possible in. Sorry to sound confusing but it's kind of hard to explain. --Hoenn Master 21:01, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't notice the word "all" when I read and removed it. Regardless, it's not notable in my opinion. The same piece of trivia can apply to fully evolved starters, Dragon-type legendaries, Nidos, elemental monkeys, Rotom's forms and so on.--電禅Den Zen 21:45, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

There are a few different combinations as you said, but rarely any of them are grouped like the Eeveelutions, elemental monkeys, etc here on Bulbapedia. THat would make it more notable to me. Notability is really in the eye of the beholder on this one. --Hoenn Master 02:45, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

However, there is also the fact that Eevee is not considered an Eeveelution.--電禅Den Zen 15:01, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

True, but without Eevee there wouldn't be any Eeveelutions :) --Hoenn Master 16:23, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Request: Minor edit to trivia

There's a minor typo needs fixing on the last bullet point in the trivia section: "unless it it traded to Black and White," should say "unless it is traded". I'd have done it myself, but the page is currently locked due to Sylveon's announcement. Digifiend (talk) 14:51, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Eeveelutions Image

I made a new version to include Sylveon. Well, others did that too, but they just pasted its artwork onto the old image, which doesn't look very nice. Can I change it? ★~Darklight~★ 16:25, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

The rectangular arrangement does look neater ... now all it needs is a tweak to the caption text to reflect eight Eeveelutions instead of seven. --Stratelier 07:52, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

How about a circular arrangement? Here [1] is the picture I made. ★~Darklight~★ 19:25, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

The image has already been updated to an official image. Official image is probably more favoured over the fanmade image ----samm :) (talk) 21:17, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Except it shows up as a badly stretched version of the old image for me. You can't keep that image when Sylveon's type is revealed anyway. ★~Darklight~★ 23:23, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

New Picture?

I think that I can't edit the page, so I was wondering if someone that can would change the picture at the top that shows all the Eeveelutions to this[2]? MohacastleHear My Roar 21:34, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Trivia and BW/BW2

Despite Eevee being obtainable before the Pokémon League in Black 2 and White 2, it can not evolve into Leafeon or Glaceon until after the Elite Four is defeated, unless it is traded to Black and White, evolved, and then traded back. This is because Twist Mountain and Pinwheel Forest are inaccessible.

How correct is this? Can you trade Pokemon between BW2 and BW1 before beating the Pokémon League in BW2? (Or should it say: trading to a BW2 player who has beaten the Pokémon League?) --Stratelier 07:46, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Ummm, yes it is? I've traded multiple times between my Black and Black2 before beating the Legue. ★~Darklight~★ 19:25, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Sylveon's picture

Since Sylveon's official art has been revealed, can someone change the image of Sylveon in the CoroCoro scan with her official art?--PKMNAdventurer (talk) 00:48, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Style equality

The article doesn't look right the way it is right now, it has a sub-subsection for each Pokémon until Gen VI, it may not have much information for the subsection, or another (known) evolution in the generation for the Gen VI subsection, but it doesn't fit with the rest of the article... -EVsandIVsaurs 20:41, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

What's on the page is all we know about Gen VI's Eeveelutions. When we know more information, we can give Sylveon its own section like the rest of them. But for now, let's avoid redundancy. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ ♥ 21:15, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Can we just make it the same as all the others but with "???" as the stats? (I have no idea how to do the username thing)-Poko907

Base stat comparison template

Sorry for the derp-up a few minutes ago. I hope I've rerolled the changes correctly. I seem to be unable to add an extra column with Sylveon's stats to the Base Stat Comparison table. Is it due to how the template is coded? Malenfant (talk) 12:32, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes; we don't seem to have a template set to be able to compare the stats of more than seven Pokémon at a time. There's a lot of things that have to be updated for XY, but I'm sure at some point somebody with template knowledge will see this and make an updated template for this page. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:54, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Made a template, two options available, one is a template located at User:Drake Clawfang/Sandbox2 that could be moved to the mainspace (the original sandbox has the template ready to transplant here too), the other was adapted from the movelist table here since the current style of stat table doesn't seem to have an image for Sylveon, so I'm not sure what would be wanted. Drake Clawfang (talk) 04:39, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

OBJECTION!

Why does Umbreon's section state that as of generation 2 it is the only eeveelution uniquely suited to defending more than attacking when the VERY BEST vaporeon builds for that generation are all tank builds? I think that this is someones opinion and should not be stated as fact on a bulbapedia page. Nokota (talk) 19:15, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Piece of trivia about catch rates

Because we don't know Sylveon's catch rate, can we hide this piece of trivia about catch rates for now until Sylveon's catch rate is from the official Pokémon website. --Cinday123 (Talk) 08:26, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Umbreon's inability to learn Bite on his own.

Is it worth pointing out that despite Eevee and two other Eeveelutions being able to learn Bite by level up, the Dark-type Eeveelution cannot? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 22:04, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

No. You can see it's the case from the level-up table. Kai * the Arc Toraph 22:17, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Atsuko Nishida Designed Eevee And All The Eeveelutions?

I was watching this YouTube channel called TheNationalDex and they did a special episode on Sylveon and said that the designer (confirmed by Ken Sugimori himself to be Atsuko Nishida) also designed the other members of the Eevee family. Now... they are known for doing their research. They don't just spout B.S. ... But I can't find any mention of this anywhere. All sources I can find say Ken Sugimori designed ALL the Pokémon in existence. Which we all know for a fact is NOT true (Atsuko has also been confirmed as the sole designer of PIKACHU, and it's been stated that others also designed Kanto Pokémon as well. And we all know that other designers have gotten their 'mons into the game like the Vanilla line and such)

So can anyone confirm or deny all nine Eeveelutions being Atsuko's babies? If this is true, she probably already has designs for the other nine remaining types waiting to be submitted, not to mention a Normal-type Eeveelution or Mega. :P --BlackButterfree (talk) 05:08, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I assume you mean this episode. Anyway, while there is an official source for Sylveon being designed by Nishida, without one for the other Eeveelutions we cannot include this. Altruis has a list of most Pokémon's designers, but neglects to actually provide any sources, making the work completely unusable. Any Pokémon designers who are known (and reliably sourced) should be listed on this userpage. --SnorlaxMonster 07:19, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it does kind of suck that not every designer is officially credited for the Pokémon they've created, but I think either the designers themselves probably have it written down somewhere or it's in GameFreak's archives and files of which designer created which Pokémon. But if it's true that Atsuko designed all nine, then she is seriously cool in my book.--BlackButterfree (talk) 03:45, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Keep in mind that there's a whole team of designers, so often a Pokémon would be a group effort, making it difficult to attribute to a single designer. --SnorlaxMonster 04:48, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Additional trivia about gen I

In Gen I all the then current Eeveelutions shared a base special attack stat of 110. Is it worth noting this in the trivia where it talks about the similar stats? --Terry152 (Talk) 08:16, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Not only it is restrictive (making it less notable), it's false. Flareon has Sp. Atk of 95; you were looking at its Sp. Def. Eridanus (talk) 08:21, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I meant to say "Special", sorry. In Generation I all three Eeveelutions have the same Special stat of 110. --Terry152 (Talk) 08:26, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Evolution Priority

Is there a know "priority" for the Eeveelutions that could conceivably have their evolutionary conditions met at the same time as others? Specifically, If one were to level up an Eevee near a Mossy or Icy Rock, while it has the necessary friendship to evolve into Espeon/Umbreon, AND knows a Fairy-type move with at least two hearts of affection, which would it evolve into? What would it evolve into if two of these conditions were met? Is it random? Would the game just explode or something? Masternachos (talk) 22:09, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Now sure about Espeon, Umbreon, and Sylveon, but the Moss Rock and Ice Rock will cause Eevee to evolve into Leafeon and Glaceon even if other conditions are met. --Hoenn Master 04:34, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! Guess I can just do some experiments to figure out if affection or friendship takes priority. Would it be worth noting on the Eeveelution page which take priority?Masternachos (talk)

Eevee Users?

Should there be a separate page for the Eevee Users in Sun and Moon? (The Eevee Users are the people you must battle to acquire the Eevium Z.) - unsigned comment from Reshiespeon (talk • contribs)

Type Trivia

I feel it should be noted in the Trivia Section that every Eeveelution is a type that was considered Special (not Physical) before the Physical/Special Split of Gen 4 (With the exception of Sylveon, since Fairy didn't exist before that split), and possibly that the only Special type that isn't represented in the Eeveelutions is Dragon. Should this be added? YumiScott (talk) 01:13, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Since both Fairy and Dragon break the pattern, it makes the point unnotable. Bulbapedia's policy is that exceptions make trivia unnotable. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 02:14, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough, that disregards my second point, but I do think my first point is still relevant even with the exception of Sylveon (I do see it has already been added to the Trivia) for the reason that Fairy wasn't even a type when types had those classifications, so even including Sylveon, no Eeveelution is of a type that was considered Physical. YumiScott (talk) 02:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Buzzer! Group has Official Title Now!

Yeah so this should be self explanatory, but to reiterate: Upper managment says recent terms trump old terms. Bulbapedia:Manual of style#Article_titles_and_terminology Eeveelutions final gasp at official use was in Shadows of Almia, from 2008. Do you wanna know what's more recent than Shadows of Almia? Pokemon UNITE! And it said "Eevee Evolutions" in 2023. Do you wanna know what agrees with that? The TCG, which has been using the term since Evolving Skies, back in 2021! And this is by no means a Evolving Skies... evolution. It's shown up as early as the lead up to Let's Go Eevee, a 2018 release. [3] [4] [5] Which puts an establishing date for "Eevee's Evolutions" at 2021 at latest. The year is 2024.

Eeveelution may be more fun, and it may have fandom history behind it, but it has simply been trumped by Eevee's Evolutions, which has consistent usage in ways that Eeveelution never received. (The one deck named Eeveelution really doesn't match up to an entire product line using Eevee's Evolutions.) This page must move to one of "Eevee Evolution" or "Eevee's Evolutions" but it cannot stay at "Eeveelution". (We can work out how "Veevee" fits into this later, we should start with moving this page to any term more recent than that was last used over a decade ago.)

As for my pick? Eh, both options are essentially equal, what with Unite championing "Eevee Evolutions" and the TCG generally favoring "Eevee's Evolutions". "Eevee's Evolutions" feels more grammatically correct, I would pick that. Salmancer (talk) 21:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't think this is an official title for this group, they're just straightforwardly describing what they are (Evolutions of Eevee). It just looks a bit strange because "Evolution" is often capitalized in prose. Here's Melmetal using "Its Evolution". This is all over the games, too, see stuff like "I can make some Max Soup that even Kubfu’s Evolution, Urshifu, will drink." or "It seems Beauregard of the Security Corps has some questions about the Evolution of that Wurmple you gave him." or even "Floaro of the Construction Corps wants to discuss Eevee’s evolution." as a counter example.Minibug (talk) 22:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

I think the distinct change from "Eevee evolution" to "Eevee Evolution" stands for something here. I also think that Evolving Skies dedicated site having a filter button that reads "Eevee Evolution" in a set where those cards do not evolve from Eevee is indicative of a group. (That filter includes Eevee, for reasons I cannot fathom) (There's also a hidden search thing I just learned about which reads "Find the hidden Eevee Evolution to reveal it." for any unrevealed Pokemon. It also includes Eevee, using that exact text.) Salmancer (talk) 22:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

This also means, in a extremely bizarre turn of events, that Eevee Evolution can't be a descriptive term, because Eevee doesn't evolve from Eevee and is somehow included. (Well, one could argue the filter should be discounted because of this. I disagree on that on the basis of "it's official". Sure, Eevee is a Eevee Evolution now.) Salmancer (talk) 23:20, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Evolution is always capitalized anymore, that's why it changed. Landfish7 02:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Looking into this more, the only source that puts Eevee in the 'Eevee Evolutions' group is a search filter on Pokemon.com, but we have many instances of those types of UI design choices prioritizing user experience over accuracy to the search/sort terms. If we were to move the page to Eevee Evolutions, we would have to remove Eevee from the content, and that's not an ideal solution. Of the terms being presented, Eeveelutions is the best because it far more often includes Eevee. Really, this is going to end up beign a case of editorial discretion, and I feel we have a stronger case with fewer weaknesses going with Eeveelutions than we do for Eevee Evolutions. ^Maverick _Nate 06:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

But it's not only in the search filter. I didn't cite the website hide and seek game because the instructions are semi-complex and it seemed unnecessary when the card gallery is easier to use. Now it's up. Eevee is an Eevee Evoltution, weakness solved. If anything, this means Eevee Evolution is better than Eeveelution, because this article says Eeveelution "may be extended to include Eevee itself" where Eevee Evolution is definitive. Salmancer (talk) 18:21, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure you're understanding us. "Evolutions" is always capitalized, and adding "Eevee" before it is just a generic and descriptive way to say "the Evolutions of Eevee". It is not a formal group name, and should not be taking up much of the article listing out every mention. Landfish7 23:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Landfish. "Evolutions" is always capitalized, and "Eevee Evolutions" or "Eevee's Evolutions" are just generic and descriptive titles. Basically this is the same as calling Raichu the "Pikachu Evolution". --Daniel Carrero (talk) 12:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Is Eevee an Eeveelution?

Eevee is sometimes included and sometimes excluded in this article.

If Eevee is definitely not an Eeveelution, then I would suggest completely removing the "Eevee" section and all instances of an Eevee that does not evolve. The LGPE partner Eevee is mentioned in the article but under this definition, it can't actually evolve and become an Eeveelution. The anime section also includes other non-Eeveelutions like Ilima's Eevee, Chloe's Eevee, and Sandy the Eevee.

On the other hand, if Eevee explicitly is in fact an Eeveelution, then this statement about the Pokémon Evolutions miniseries is incorrect: "All Eeveelutions introduced prior to Generation IV appeared in The Show, under the ownership of the Kimono Girls."

Similarly, if Eevee is an Eeveelution, then the Pokémon Adventures section probably should not say "Eevee and the original three Eeveelutions". Instead, this would be "the original four Eevelutions". The section about The Electric Tale of Pikachu also currently mentions the "original three Evolutions".

If Eevee is an Eeveelution, several trivia points would probably have to be deleted or reworded because they don't currently treat Eevee as one:

All Eeveelutions initially evolved using a method that was introduced in their respective generations.
No Eeveelution is of a type that was considered physical prior to Generation IV.
No Eeveelution has HP or Special Defense as its lowest base stat.
The Eeveelutions were featured along with Eevee in the Eevee Essences Collection.

--Daniel Carrero (talk) 18:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't see the benefit of excluding Eevee from the article or removing mentions of "Eeveelutions" referring to the evolved forms. Eevee is relevant to the group regardless of how the term is used. I oppose removing or changing any of the mentioned content based on this. Landfish7 20:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

If we are going to keep wording like "Eevee and the original three Eeveelutions", then Eevee is not an Eeveelution after all, right?

Yes, I agree that Eevee is relevant to the concept. Personally I don't mind having a detailed article about Eevee together with the Eeveelutions, but this article is contradictory in how Eevee is sometimes included and sometimes excluded.

I would suggest using another article name like "Eevee family" or "Eevee and Eeveelutions" if we want to have in-depth content about Eevee together with the Eeveelutions.

If we want to have an article named specifically "Eevelution", then I would suggest probably removing much of the Eevee content since "Eeveelution" usually excludes Eevee. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 21:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't believe that's necessary. The article is titled "Eeveelution" singularly, and aptly covers the topic of what an Eeveelution is and other relevant information about Eevee and its evolved forms as a group. I feel your suggested titles are far too verbose and detailed where they don't need to be. Eevee is part of the group and is worth covering in full, even in cases where it doesn't evolve. I feel we're missing the forest for the trees here in focusing too much on the technical usage of the term. Landfish7 22:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't think Eevee is nearly covered in full at the moment. For instance, it currently says that Eevee is the starter in LGE, XD, and Conquest, but it does not say that it is also an option in Mystery Dungeon and Quest. It mentions a bunch of Eevees from the anime but is missing other Eevees from the multiple mangas. We could consider adding trivia that includes the entire family such as "Eevee family is the only branched evolution where all evolved forms don't share any type with the pre-evolution".

If we want Eevee to be covered in full, maybe we should at least add a note at the top saying "this article considers Eevee an Eeveelution". I was considering adding Eevee content here, but personally it bothers me how the definition of Eeveelution used here is very unclear. I don't mind including or excluding Eevee, but let's please pick a lane. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 22:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Personally, I think I would prefer moving this article to "Eevee family" so Eevee can be properly included and the coverage about Eevee can be expanded.

Eevee is related to the Eeveelutions but it is not an Eeveelution. I know Eevee needs to be mentioned here at some point, but in my opinion having a detailed explanation about Eevee in an article named "Eeveelution" makes no sense. This is kinda like having a detailed explanation about Ho-Oh in the article Legendary dogs. Why are we mentioning non-Eeveelutions like Sandy the Eevee in this article at all? Sandy does not belong here in my opinion.

To be fair, if people insist that this article needs to have an in-depth explanation about Eevee and a list of all the non-evolved Eevees like Sandy, I would at least suggest adding a disclaimer or something and make sure that Eevee is exceptionally included despite being a non-Eeveelution. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 23:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I think it's important to have mentions of Eevee on this page, in this case, I think putting something like Eevee's family in the title could be a good solution.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 23:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

(resetting indent)I guess my key point here is that it's both worth having an article about Eevee and its evolved forms as a group and maintaining a concise title. I'd be amenable to including somewhere something like "Eevee and its evolved forms are a family of Pokémon known for having the most members of any evolutionary line. Eeveelution is a term that refers to any of the eight evolved forms of Eevee. The collective term "Eeveelutions" refers to Eevee's evolved forms, and is often used by fans to refer to the family as a whole." How does that sound? Landfish7 02:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have the impression that fans usually use "Eeveelution" or even the plural "Eevolutions" in a way that excludes Eevee. Maybe we can try checking online discussions or something when we have the time. In my experience at least, it seems people usually say things like "the original three Eeveelutions" rather than "the original four Eeveelutions". Or when people ask online "What is your favorite Eeveelution?", people rarely seem to consider Eevee as an option like the others, not because they hate Eevee but because it's not an Eeveelution, right? Even the Bulbapedia articles like this one usually appear to exclude Eevee by having text like "Eevee and the original three Eeveelutions".

Anyway, I like the idea of adding some text like that which makes sure the article explicitly includes Eevee while still explaining what is an Eeveelution. I would probably support keeping some text like that regardless of the article name.

As you know, I suggested moving "Eeveelution" to "Eevee family". The former has 11 letters, and the latter has 11 letters plus 1 space, so they appear to be more or less equally concise. If we moved the article, then "Eeveelution" would still remain as a redirect and the article would still explain what is an Eeveelution.

We could also discuss at some point if any other Pokémon families may or may not need articles like this one. For example, if we wanted to try creating an article explaining Wurmple/Silcoon/Beautifly/Cascoon/Dustox as a group, then it looks like "Wurmple family" would be a good title. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 04:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

A cursory Twitter search shows that yes, fans include Eevee in the group, even when referring to them as Eeveelutions. I also maintain that the title should be kept at the official title "Eeveelution", not the unofficial title "Eevee family", per the manual of style's guidance on article titles, though I may be amenable to moving the page to "Eeveelutions" (plural) since the article is much more about the group as a whole than it is about explaining what an individual Eeveelution is. Landfish7 04:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I see the fans including Eevee in the group of Eeveelutions. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 05:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I also think it's relevant that the Eeveelution theme deck includes Eevee, even featuring it on the box. Landfish7 05:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)