Talk:Ghetsis

Facial Damage

Due to Geechisu having some sort of deformity in the right side of his face (apparent in his sprite and the latest coro coro artwork) that is most presented by him having an awkward shaped mouth, and also having that eyepatch thing, is it justifiable to say he may have some sort of facial damage? --Ryuutakeshi 06:28, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Was wondering if you were going to post that here, well putting that he may have facial damage goes a little on the border of speculation but I do think that his oddly shaped mouth should be noticed since it's not a sprite mistake and was obviously on purpose Ataro 06:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

We've mentioned mass-fan-agreed-on speculation before. --Ryuutakeshi 06:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Move to "Getis"?

If you listen to his battle music the choir says "Getis" over and over again, and so I think we should move it to "Getis". Mikkim 04:41, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Not until there's a definite answer - plenty of people hear "Penance" being chanted, and before that track was identified as Geechisu's theme, it was believed to be Genosect's and gave rise to the "Dennis" meme because of people hearing that. --The Great Butler 01:58, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Except why would they be chanting an english word that sounds almost exactly like a pronunciation of the charecters name in a japanese game? It's much more likely they are saying "Getis", the characters name, than "Penance", something Getis is not showing at all (I mean, even after you beat him he still acts like he was doing the right thing, defiantly not showing penance at all), or the english name "Dennis", and a weird way of say the name as well (The "is" is not as stressed in the name dennis, as it is in the song, while Getis would have that stressed that way). Mikkim 05:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't sound like Getis to me, and you yourself don't even seem sure so it won't be moved. --HoennMaster 06:32, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, what do you hear it as? And how do I not sound sure about it? I am very sure they are saying "Getis". Mikkim 23:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

While you may hear it as "Getis", others may hear it as "Dennis" or "Penance" or even just indiscernible ominous chanting. At any rate, I'm fairly certain that it's a tad too shaky to be suitable evidence for moving a page. --Darkeiya talk to me! 00:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I suppose you're right. Perhaps when he appears in the anime we'll find out how his name is pronounced (Although I do hear the chanting as "Getis" or "Geetis"). --Andy^P_K^M_N 11:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I guess we can wait to see how they pronounce it in the anime. It can't take too long for them to show Getis. I mean, he does appear very close to the start of the game. Mikkim 06:30, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

"Penance" fits with the Team Plasma theme of making people repent for abusing Pokémon. Granted that Geechisu does not himself do this, but he is still manipulating others into releasing their Pokémon as "penance" for imagined crimes. --The Great Butler 08:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Not really, because plasma is already dead when Getis attacks you. He's just attacking you in anger, not in anyway connected to penance. Penance would not make sense when talking about Getis making a desperate move to try to try to get revenge for destroying his dream. Besides, he wasn't really the sort of person who believed it was freeing pokemon, so Penance would actually be extremely out of context when fighting Getis. Mikkim 06:49, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Romanization

It's just come to my attention that ゲーチス may actually stand for "Goetis" (from goēteia, Greek for "sorcery"). Would this be suitable for everyone?—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 04:20, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Except goetis would be written as ゴーチス　instead of ゲーチス. - unsigned comment from mikkim (talk • contribs)

True, but the Japanese Wikipedia mentions that it can also be written as ゲーティア.神奇超龍 10:41, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

So...are we good? Any objections?—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 22:44, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I did find this Sanskrit term "gati" (going/motion/destiny, plural:gatis), the term is used in Buddhism to mean "course of existence" or "destiny". Apparently there are six realms (Deva - god, Asura - titans, Manusyas - humans, Tiryaks -animals, Pretas - ghost, Narakas -hell beings). So his name could also be a reference to this also. 神奇超龍 01:29, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I guess that that can work. Goetis and Gatis both make more sense than most of the other names that have been guessed. Does anybody object to moving it to Goetis? Mikkim 21:10, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Not a total objection, but perhaps it's just an origin and not the proper romanization? In that case, moving the page would be a mistake. Does Nintendo ever put out any media (be it guides, promotional material, etc.) which would use the romanizations of human characters' names, and thus put this issue to rest? --Andy^P_K^M_N 23:17, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Ummm, maybe romanizing dento as dent, poddo as pod, and koon as corn is also just an origin but not the proper romanization? Geechisu can also be written as Getis, because the closest thing the Japanese have to a "ti" is chi and su can also be read with the u being silent. It would be a proper romanization, just as proper as デント/dento -> dent　ポッド/poddo -> pod　コオン/ koon -> corn. Offical media is not nessecary, because any objection that you could have to ゲエチス/geechisu -> getis would also apply to デント/ポッド/コオン -> dent/pod/corn. Mikkim 00:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Technically I was opposed to those as well, but I suppose you have a point. --Andy^P_K^M_N 00:44, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

There are countless possible spellings. Also, if Geechisu can be moved, then so should Shooti be moved to Shooty (the romanization we use now is simply incorrect because of prolonged "i"). Also, it's annoying how Bulbapedia lacks standards lately. I thought we aren't moving the pages because of romanizations, because we're waiting for English version. That's been the admins' trend towards moving lately. --Maxim 14:01, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but are there countless spellings that actually make sense? I am not against Shooti being moved, and Geechisu -> Getis actually makes more sense than Shooti -> Shooty. If we aren't moving them to there correct romanizations, we might as well move Dent back to dento, Corn to Koon, Pod to Poddo, Iris to Airis, and so on. We are using the logical names for the gym leaders, so why are we not using the logical name for Goetis? - unsigned comment from mikkim (talk • contribs)