Talk:Bulbasaur (Pokémon)

Hey can we not have Bulbasaur link to Deoxys in the directory? We're going to get new pokemon and it'd just be better to not have the pokemon in a loop. It'd save sanity for when we get the 4th Gen. I'm trying to fix it nowLedianX 21:07, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

How so? Just change Deoxys on the Bulbasaur page to whatever the new last one should be when necessary - a single page edit. It's not like there's going to be tons of new pokemon every day. Sheep 21:25, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ok. Let me fix it but if you think I'm gonna relink all 386 pokemon with Meowth again like yesterday..You're nuts.LedianX 21:36, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No Deo-Bulba link. It's not circular. Evkl 21:53, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Before all these Pokemon pages are redone, should nav be up on top as well as on bottom, or easily locating the nav, no matter how long the page? --Meowth346

This doesn't really relate, but could we add some possibilities to what certain Pokemon are based off of? As well as what names seem to be based off of? Like Bulbasaur=bulb+dinosaur, or Bulbasaur appears to be a dinosaur? Just asking here because it's a Pokemon page with lots of activity - unsigned comment from Surskitty (talk • contribs)

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I'm going to try to automate changing all the navigations for all the Pokemon. Hopefully no one starts editing before I get my script working. I may still be a good hour away from perfecting it. --Meowth346

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Great. I don't feel like changing them all since we spent so long putting them there to begin with. LedianX 01:46, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Can you believe I spend *36* minutes trying to get this working, trying things, and the problem with my script was an "&" missing? I'll start mass-updating the pages after I ensure there are no problems, and write a looper. --Meowth346

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I can believe it. But, I thought we weren't going to loop to Deoxys? Evan said we weren't It's going to be a bit of a pain with the new Pokemon. Not to mention we have to put Munchlax and Rukario in there somewhere.LedianX 02:59, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Would there be a template problem without the looping? If not, then anyone can freely unloop them. --Meowth346

There is so far. I'm debating whether to make a special template for Deo and Bulba. - unsigned comment from Evkl (talk • contribs)

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That should be easy enough. Make a "next" template and a "previous" template, and have the NextPrevious template combine these, right? --Meowth346

Perhaps - the problem would then be developing a template to wrap the blue box around it. Or we could just cheat and duplicate code as needed. (Also, I thought you had the Bulbabot account at your disposal to do these automatic changes (they pollute the Recent changes page otherwise)). Also, your bot is a little too overzealous with the < conversion - some HTML tags are also valid in Wiki. - 刘 (劉) 振霖 07:15, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The &lt; was a mistake because of how I managed the text (along with viewing it in the browser before I had all the find/replace working): download, change < to &lt;, then change newlines to BR tags, then modify, then change BR tags back to new lines, then replace the &lt;. I had forgotten about the &lt; in comments. In the end, it turned out I didn't even need to bother with less-than signs, as the textarea box doesn't even use HTML. As for BulbaBot, I don't remember the password, and it wasn't in .bash_history, nor did I feel up to checking my GAIM log. But if I knew that it wouldn't show up in recent changes, I would have done that. --Meowth346

Moves

The version isn't specified, and there is already a page format allocated for this. If you just want to test things, you can do it on a seperate page. Or just use the "Show preview" button. --Jshadias 02:52, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

We know...we're discussing the best way to handle it. I would appreciate it if you wouldn't have any snide comments. We're in a chat right now dealing with it. If you would like to be included in the BMG mod chat please AIM someone.LedianX 03:01, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Don't mean to impose, but...

Have you considered using the setup given by the Pokémon WikiProject at Wikipedia? The articles seems to be more a guide on how they are in the games, instead of their relevance in the game/anime/manga/TCG. Compare Wikipedia:Bulbasaur with Bulbasaur, for instance. - A Link to the Past 00:02, 7 September 2005 (CDT)

I'm sorry, that wasn't terribly clear - what do you mean? What is lacking on the Bulbapedia article? Is it just a matter of depth covered (we might be the biggest Pokémon wiki encyclopedia, but we don't get the kind of activity Wikipedia gets) - or something else? As far as I can see, the Wikipedia articles are structured quite like ours. - 振霖_T 03:36, 7 September 2005 (CDT)

The articles just need some fleshing out. - A Link to the Past 06:34, 7 September 2005 (CDT)

Then it's nothing to be concerned about. Nothing is ever "done" - it's always open for improvement. Admittedly, it would be nice to have it fleshed out, but we simply don't have the kind of activity Wikipedia gets... so unless you're volunteering to do the work or help convince others to come contribute their work to Bulbapedia, you're just going to have to wait. Bulbapedia, like the Pokémon WikiProject, relies on volunteered work. - 振霖_T 07:07, 7 September 2005 (CDT)

GameShark/Action Replay Codes?

Someone want to put up an explanation for we non-cheating types what the heck those codes are for and why they're in the article? --Pie 06:25, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. They're gone now. The same user also made a dubious edit to the GS Ball article. - 振霖_T 11:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Sprites!

that whole table of the different sprites is very, very, cool. i am thinking perhaps that could become the Project Spritedex? something or another...anyways, i am just letting everybody out there know i would be eager to help get files of the different sprites for you guys...thanks User:bill33421 PS: the emerald shiny sprite is missing

Actually, the sprites fall under Project Pokédex. And yes, I know the Emerald shiny sprite is missing... I haven't been able to find it. If you can add the sprites to Bulbagarden Archives, well, more power to you. Just make sure to upload them with the proper filename. TTEchidna 11:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

interesting...so yes, i will try to get them, but if i could ask, how do you get them? is there a site that i can find pics on then upload to bulbagarden? or should i crop screenshots of games?

• There are several sites out there with sprites. Pokemon elite 2000 and upokecenter are good candidates; however it is better to do them yourself. I am going to attempt to fill in all the missing sprites for the first generation- I have (nearly) uploaded all the normal and shiny crystal sprites. (all from 10-111)--Cadellin 13:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Bill33421 19:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Diet

What up wit the diet? We're talking about Pokémon, fictional creatures, here, not animals, very few have their own individual diets and most of them just have a link to the Pokémon food main article, I just don't see the point in it. -File:Ani491MS.gifKPF

Think about it: is it better to have a link to an article or have nothing link to the article on Pokémon food? TTEchidna 04:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

First Pokemon

this part of the trivia section:

"# Bulbasaur is the first dual-type Pokémon in National Dex order.

1. Bulbasaur is the first Grass Pokémon in National Dex order.
2. Bulbasaur is the first Poison Pokémon in National Dex order.
3. Bulbasaur is the first Pokémon in the National Dex order. "

This sounds rediculous, we know Bulbasaur is the first pokemon, so we don't need to say it is the first poison type, grass type, and dual type. (--<font color=#EED55E>^●</font>[[User:GT4GTR|<font color=#4F506D>'''GT4GTR'''</font>]] <small>[[User talk:GT4GTR|<font color=#D6282C>''/ talk /''</font>]]</small> 10:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC))

Movesets

Someone should make it so that the moveset changes to the correct generation when you click on it, rather than linking to a seperate page. --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 00:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

That's exactly what it does for me. Maybe it's something to do with your browser. Wait never mind. Well I'll leave a job like that to someone who knows his way around wiki coding.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 04:03, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

im not sure if thats possible. TTE made the templates, youll have to bring it up with him. -- MAGNEDETH 04:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Bulbabye?

I was watching the first movie again the other day, and in the Pikachu Short, Ash's Bulbasaur used the "Bulba-Bye" on Togepi. I came to check, but it wasn't here. Wouldn't that be something to put in the Behavior section or something like that? DLT4 04:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it would be "Bulba-by," to fit with "lullaby." Anyway, it would actually probably be more appropriate on Ash's Bulbasaur, since this doesn't seem to exist outside of the Anime and I think that's the only Bulbasaur that used it. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 04:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking that too - but Dexter said it was the 'first recording' of it, possibly implying that others do it too. DLT4 22:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it implies the exact opposite, if you think about it, considering Dexter was talking DURING the event. Dexter ain't psychic. --electAbuzzzz ^(TALK) 22:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Problem

I have problems viewing the sprite section. When I press the show button it looks sort of distorted. I took a screenshot and I'll upload what it looks like within 5 minutes and post it here. I've tryed it multiple times and it might just be my computer or it might be an error in the system.--User:23-03-33 21:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC) Here is the image and as you can see the evolution overlaps the sprite page for some reason. User:23-03-33

I have a solution. TTEchidna 07:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Alternatively, get a new IE. I have IE7 and it works fine here. You seem to have... 6? --Kyoufu Kawa 07:05, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

IE7 did make it show up right. thanks for your help. -- User:23-03-33 07:45, 6 September 2008 (EST)

Which leaves us with a problem.What about with the random people who come to this site expecting a good page and the Evoluition box overlaps in the Sprite section....--DCM_{((TalkContributions))}

Cant we put a link on the front page that says "This Website is Best Viewed in Mozilla Firefox" or whatever those say? DLT4 04:16, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Likely. Or plaster GET FIREFOX ads all over the freakin' place... TTEchidna 06:45, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I like TTE's idea, but it's not rational. We should just put a notice on the main page space thingy bob. TESHIGIGAS 16:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Even with IE6, if you open the sprite box, expand the window to full screen and shrink it back down again, everything lines up correctly. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 17:53, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

That Seems...Inconvenient To Me. cal05000 08:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Can MediaWiki do user-agent sniffing? That's a possible solution. Regardless, Firefox isn't the only good browser, nor is it the best browser. IIMarckus 18:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Sprites

I'm not sure if anyones noticed but Bulbasaur's Platinum non shiny sprite is wrong... and i thought that only 4th gen and sinnoh dex pokemon got new sprites--Wowy 08:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I just checked that and you're right, someone needs to fix it--Pokelova 18:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

werid thing

When I was on venasor's (sorry for bad spelling), I wanted to see Bulbasaur's page, so I clicked on the name under it's image and when I got on the page it stated "Get a life losers" could someone please fix that. thanks ♥luna13♥

It's already been fixed. Chocolate (Chat with Me) 16:39, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Who would be dumb enough to put "Get a life losers" on bulbapedia. Its disgraceful! --Usyflad10 (talk) 23:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Sprites

Anyone else see the shiny sprites are animated? Are the shiny Bulbasaurs in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum animated? {{SUBST::User:SLE aman/Signature}} 01:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes. And no, the DPPt sprites aren't animated. --ケンジのガール 01:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

More accurately, they are animated in the game, but for some reason we're only animating the Platinum sprites.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 03:16, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Generation III Learnsets

Just a quick question, why don't the other generation learnsets lead to the next Pokémon, like with the PokémonPrevNext thing? シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 21:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Um...why would they? --Theryguy512 23:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Uh, so it would be EASY to move through the Pokémon? Duh. シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 23:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Gen III Move sets Wrong

My Fire Red Bulbasaur didn't learn sweet scent until level 25. I'm not sure about the rest of the moves, but growth should have been offered at level 25 instead, and I still don't have that by 26. I'll update as I learn new moves. - unsigned comment from Coldshrike (talk • contribs)

Done. I already fixed it, thanks for letting us know. ►Ҝəυzø8 12:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Cry

Bulbasaur's cry is a lower-pitched Pikachu cry. --I hide in the dark! 17:30, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

It is! Hm. You know, on the cry page, there's information stating there's only 37 "different" cries that make the 151 sounds (obviously stuff like Mewtwo, Mew, Paras, and Parasect have the same underlying cry), but it'd be awesome if we could get someone to compile a list of all the Pokémon that use those specific cries. Gen II also has 30 more, making there be really 67 sounds for 251 Pokémon.

Think you could make this list up for us? TTEchidna 23:08, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Type Advantages over Gym Leaders

This is kind of a small thing, but it's listed that Bulbasaur has a type advantage over the first two gym leaders in Kanto. But since Lt. Surge uses electric types, that gives Bulbasaur a defensive advantage without an offensive disadvantage (as would be the case with Erika). So shouldn't Bulbasaur be listed as having a type advantage over the first three gym leaders? Gear-Richie 20:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Saying it has a type advantage for that means like when you used a Razor Leaf against Onix or Staryu it would say "It's Super Effective!". Grass type moves don't do that against Electric types, so technically it is true like it already is. --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 20:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

So saying it has a type advantage is limited ONLY to an attack advantage? That doesn't seem right. That would mean there's a difference in nomenclature between Bulbasaur vs. Onix (Offensive only) and Bulbasaur vs. Starmie (Offensive and Defensive). But no such differentiation has ever been used. Gear-Richie 19:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Type advantage is only limited to Attack Advantage, due to Nintendo and the whole Pokémon community thinking you know the strengths and weaknesses of your Pokémon, so if you send out a Ice less Starmie against a Bulbasaur, you are only hurting your self. But, if you but a Bulbasaur against a Starmie, you are giving your self a advantage, due to the Attacks you gave them. Sorry if it sounds a little confusing >.> --Mclena45 02:18, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Back Sprite difference

Hey- maybe i'm the first, but when i play Sapphire, Bulbasaur's back sprite is the same as bulbapedia's, however my Fire Red game shows a different back sprite. Here's what I mean: in Hoenn, Bulbasaur is squinting, where in FR&LG, Bulbasaur's eyes are wide open.--Spritemaster 22:58:25, 22, August, 2009 (UTC)

I believe Bulbapedia uses the most recent back sprites available. So they'll use Emeralds back sprites for Gen III and Heart Gold and Soul Silver for Gen V when it comes out.--Mclena45 02:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Yellow

Just disproved the "Bulbasaur joins in Yellow if you're level 20" thing by actually playing Yellow. - unsigned comment from PharosAM (talk • contribs)

It joins when Pikachu has high happiness. That's actually mentioned in the article. —darklordtrom 23:42, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I just defeated Misty and i got it. Level 20 thing is a long time question on the topic. It may refer to the fact that you may need Pokémon at least level 20. --Spritemaster 12:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Sprites

If you look closely, the Gen.III backsprite is the same as the Gen.II one, only more updated.User:Crazylegs24

We try not to have trivia like that. R.A. Hunter Blade 03:36, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

If you look closely, you will find that ALL Pokémon are like that. SeanWheeler 22:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Protection

May I ask why this page is protected? CuboneKing 01:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Obvius but not mentiond

I would think it is fairly obvius that Bulbasaur inspired the name for Bulbapedia itself, yet it hasn't been mentiond in any trivia. EpicShadow 8:55, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes it has. The last trivia item mentions how Bulbagarden takes its name from Bulbasaur. Bulbagarden is Bulbapedia's parent site. --AndyPKMN 20:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request

Change the image link in the manga section to point to a:File:Saur Bulbasaur.jpg. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 21:50, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Done. Werdnae (talk) 22:03, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 22:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking we could add the Black and White locations to not only Bulbasaur's page, but all of the pokemon pages. The problem is, I don't have Black and White, so I'm not even sure if you have to transfer the pokemon over or not. Could you guys help me with that? Jlin8002

Image snapback

Why are all the images of Pokémon 001 - 151 turned back to their original red and green artwork? Someone please fix that and return the images to their most modern artworks.--Flameblight 15:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I just noticed that as well. I asked in a few other discussions, but I'm really confused why we're using pictures from Red and Green rather than FireRed and LeafGreen. (Holonboy 17:35, 1 September 2010 (UTC))

Well, today is Red and Blue's birthday. I suppose that is why. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 18:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

That seems like a likely reason. Would've been nice if they mentioned that somewhere though so it doesn't look like the site got hacked.--Flameblight 02:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

'Bulbasaur' instead of 'it'.

Wouldn't it simply read better if the third-person pronoun 'it' was replaced by 'Bulbasaur' in a lot of cases on this page? I'm thinking specifically about the top of the article, but I'm sure small changes like that could be made to the rest of it. TomasOMeachair 18:12, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I understand what you're saying about the 'it' problem in the first paragraph of the article, but it isn't good to say 'Bulbasaur' over and over again. It's repetitive, and slightly awkward to use the same word over and over again. Also, don't forget to sign your post by type the four tildes. ^^ Littlmiget123 17:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't know that was a rule. I'll do that from now on.

I'm not saying we replace *every* instance of 'it' with 'Bulbasaur', but there are cases where it's not totally clear what the 'it' is referring to - you can understand what it's referring to if you apply a bit of common sense, obviously, but the issue's more one of grammar than anything else.

I will say that I'm in no way an authority on style or English grammar (other than having it as a first language), so I'm completely open to advice/correction/direction. I don't seem to be able to edit the page myself, which is why I haven't gone and replaced 'it' with 'Bulbasaur' where I thought it was needed. TomasOMeachair 18:12, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

The page seems to be protected, so I would ask one of the admins to do it. Put a message on their talk page and request an edit. That's what I usually do. Littlmiget123 19:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

As a general rule of thumb, if it is clear what a pronoun is referring to, it should normally be used, with the full noun to used occasionally. Repeating the full name every time is clumsy and can be distracting or difficult to read, while if it becames unclear or the pronoun hasn't been used for several sentences the noun should be used instead, to prevent confusion and remind readers what is being talked about.

That said, as I'm reading it, it is clear what it is referring to, but it is overused in places and gets repetitive, such as in the intro. Other sections overuse Bulbasaur a little, and read clumsily. Overall it's just a matter of style which isn't particularly bad in this article. I've reworded the intro slightly to try and make it less clumsy. Werdnae (talk) 00:19, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Broken link

The links to "Normal Box" and "Gorgeous Box" under Held Items are broken. They should redirect to "Pokémon doll#Normal and Gorgeous Boxes" rather than "Held item#Normal and Gorgeous Boxes." Other Pokémon who can generate these items might need this kind of edit too. (This kind of shows how fragile the current direct-linking system for items currently is, but it's way to late to change anything, of course. ☺ ) Redletterday 21:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to Sol, those links were quickly fixed. (I'd like to add that I didn't have editing access to this article, which is why I posted here.) Redletterday (Talk to me!) 18:24, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Minimum and maximum stats in generations 1 and 2?

Hello! Sorry for my bad English, but I am from Germany. I hope, you can understand me. I just have the generation 1 and 2 games (red, blue, yellow, gold, silver, crystal), and I know, that in these games natures for Pokémon wasn't available (they're coming in generation 3). In the Pokémon pages from 'Bulbapedia' the minimum and maximum stats are calculated WITH this natures. How can I see the min. and max. stats in the first two generations? --LaBumm 12:43, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

You would have to use the stat formula for Generation I and II found here. Pikiwyn ^talk 12:56, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Generation V sprites

Shouldn't we show the animation of the pokemon sprites in the sprite list?--Celibi25 00:42, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

The sprites are uploaded by individuals. Ripping the sprites from the games is a pain. Frozen Fennec 00:44, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Bulbasaur's number in the National Pokédex and the Fiore Browser is the same: 001. This makes it and its evolution family one of only five families of Pokémon (comprising thirteen Pokémon altogether)

who are the other pokemon?

Gallery

Shouldn't we have an art gallery for ALL official pokemon art? Just because the art is more recently made does not mean that it has to be erased from bulbapedia right?