Talk:Lugia (Pokémon)

Is it really necessary to say that Pressure is cancelled by Mold Breaker? Inker 22:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Not really... TTE chidna 05:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

"Ruler" of the seas?

Was there ever a line in generation II that said he was some sort of "King" "lord" of the seas? Or was that only in the second movie?(Fossilgojira 02:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC))

Biology

The biology section here is heavily based upon its anime-canon version, which is not unique, rather than what is known about the unique game-canon version. As such, it should be mentioned when it is referring to its presentation in the anime rather than the more universal qualities of the species. As it is, the article treats Lugia as if all Lugia are Lugia from the anime, rather than legendary individuals unique to the game it is from. Satosuke 02:27, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I do notice that every Pokemon has a section devoted to "In the Anime," "In the Manga," but nothing has a section called "In the Games." Sheesh, it's not like the games have no plot! IIMarckus 02:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Um, I assumed that everything outside of the "In the Animé," and "In the Manga," sections was game-canon. :\ - Lucadan (talk • contribs) 15:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

In My Opinion Lugia seems to have been inspired by Ziz in some fators. I dont see how Rayquaza could be and not Lugia.

Name Origin

It does not seem at all relevant to mention Luigi here. Does anyone agree?? I didn't wanna be a jerk and just delete it. Soon to be Mrs. Shirley 14:24, 18 October 2008

You’re right, that’s completely ridiculous. I removed the sentence. IIMarckus 20:11, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

SoulSilver speculation?

This article claims that "Lugia is the version mascot of Pokémon Silver and Pokémon SoulSilver, appearing on the boxart of both." Since no official boxart image has been released for these new games, I believe that it is pure speculation, although Lugia would most likely be on the cover in the future. The same claim is also made regarding to Ho-oh and Pokémon HeartGold - unsigned comment from Daninjango (talk • contribs)

Take a look at the logo. They are stylized versions of Ho-Oh and Lugia. Plus, they are confirmed to be remade versions of the original GS. It's pretty much confirmed. — THE TROM — 07:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Version Mascots have always been featured on boxart. Saying Lugia won't be on SoulSilver's boxart is like saying Team Galactic will triumph in the anime. We know that the twerps will somehow defeat Team Galactic and we know Lugia will be on the boxart for SoulSilver. Galladeon 02:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Moveset Trivia

Since Lugia's Level up moves list changed, doesn't that mean it's moveset is not the same in SoulSilver as it was in Gold and vice versa? Shouldn't that trivia be removed? I'd do it, but Lugia (and Ho-Oh)'s page can't be edited.--Purimpopoie 20:39, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Moveset

Since its moveset has changed almost entirely from DPt to HGSS, isn't better to put them in different boxes? The same goes for Ho-Oh. -- R~~ikki~~Kitsune 05:06, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Halcyon Days

Lugia's ability to quell the ceaseless fighting between the legendary birds and control the weather to calm storms seems to be based on the 'Greek Legend of Alcyone' which resulted in the creation of an annual period of tranquility called the 'Halcyon Days'. --Arima 13:09, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Relation to Arceus?

In SoulSilver one of the Kimono Girls says: Tamao says, “That is Lugia… Since the ancient days, this town has called it the guardian deity of the sky." Does that mean it to be a God Pokemon relation to Arceus (same with Ho-Oh in HG). -LugiaRocks (^Talk ★ Edits) 19:42, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Wait, i though Ho-Oh was the Guardian of the Sky and Lugia was Sea. Morgil27 19:50, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Anime Appearance

Why is it stated that Ash and Misty act like they have never seen a Lugia before when encountering Silver and parent? In the English dub, at least, Ash specifically states that he had seen a Lugia in the Orange Isles before, which is in direct reference to the second movie.--Zandock 21:09, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Wyvern?

I find Lugia looks quite a lot like a Wyvern. I was wondering if that should be mentioned, as Wyverns typically are shown as being dragons with two legs, two wings, and long necks/tails; which sounds a lot like Lugia's general appearance. --Dragoon 01:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

This doesn't sound so implausible...we generally assume it's just a bird, but then again, we do point out the Ryujin parallels, and he's a dragon.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 06:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Takeshi Shudo(scenario writer of anime) created Lugia.

Column by Takeshi Shudo. http://www.style.fm/as/05_column/shudo206.shtml Sawamular101 04:36, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Sea swallow

The Glaucus atlanticus looks kind of like Lugia. Maybe it can go in the origin section? - unsigned comment from Carolyn81 (talk • contribs)

I don't see any resemblance to Lugia at all. :( - 050294 00:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Ancient Bird

I Remember that there was a bird that lived in the seas, and its wings had "digits" Similar to Lugia, its neck and body was also long as well. Could go on the Origins right? XXRaigoXx 07:56, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Do you remember its name?—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 09:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Unfortuntly no but maybe i can look it up ill do it now. XXRaigoXx 07:36, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Okay found it. it was called Hesperornis after seeing it for such a long time i realized tbe only thing that had with common with lugia is the feet maybe, the wings were actually just a stub but maybe it's the wrong bird cause i was sure it had wings to swim with. XXRaigoXx 07:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Takeshi Shudō

I know there is a section in this talk page about Lugia's creator being Takeshi Shudō, but I didn't want to drag up conversation that is over three months old. :/ Does anyone think Shudō's death be mentioned on this page? We have a whole Bulbanews post about it and all... Phantom♫Junkie 06:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

It's definitely worth mentioning somewhere (it's mentioned on his article) but I don't really think it needs to be mentioned here. His death doesn't really have anything to do with Lugia. :P --ZestyCactus 06:31, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Before yersterday, I hadn't noticed the claim that Shudō had created Lugia. Even though I wish this were a better time to be raising my doubts, I have to say that I'm highly skeptical as to the veracity of that statement.

The reason that Shudō's column makes me raise an eyebrow is that Gold and Silver were supposed to be released in early 1998, so Lugia must have existed in some form back then - at a time when Shudō was working on Movie 1. In fact, I would think that Lugia would have been seen in the opening of the demo that was playable in the Spaceworld 1997 event; this website even lists Lugia as one of the earliest known Pokémon whose data changed as a result of the delay (its Pokédex number was altered).

More importantly, eight Pokémon designers were listed in the game credits. Why wasn't Shudō's name included? He should have at least been given a special thanks if he had really designed one of the version mascots; I can't imagine that Game Freak wouldn't have given him credit where due.

I don't wish to taint Shudō's reputation or anything like that, but it seems to me that he was fond of Lugia that he chose to embellish his part in its creation. I can easily believe that he was the one who coined the term "Pokémon X" and thought of associating Lugia with the bird trio, as well as giving it the role of a protector. But those things didn't influence the games at all, and I don't think that a blog column made more than 10 years after the fact is enough to change that. Unown Lord 08:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Your opinion can be understood. It might be a person who thought about the conception. Sawamular101 04:38, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Maybe change it to "helped with the creation of Lugia". —darklordtrom 07:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

TCG Water-type trivia

With the possible exceptions of Beedrill, Venemoth and Flying Pikachu's Fighting type resistance, is Lugia the only Pokemon depicted as having a type it does not actually have? Excluding Delta Species, etc. obviously. XVuvuzela2010X 16:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

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Why was my trivia was taken out? It was relevant--Ash0011 22:00, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean this?

Lugia seems to represent the moon and shares this distinction with Lunatone

While I wasn't the one who removed it, how exactly does it represent the moon (and Ho-Oh the sun)? The only proof I can think of is that the title screen of Silver, featuring Lugia, is set at night, while the Gold title screen with Ho-Oh is during the day. If you can provide good evidence for it then they could be added back. XVuvuzela2010X 23:51, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

The Silver title screen wasn't during the night. It was under water. You can't tell if it's night or day. ^★Jo the Marten ^★ ಠ_ಠ 23:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Instead of 'seems to', I think it'd be better to use 'may', and to omit the part about Lunatone, because it misrepresents the trivia item as fact, though I think it may be a bit too speculative to add in the first place, since there isn't really a good reason why it may be considered a representation of the moon or nighttime. Also, Ash0011, please be a bit more specific in your discussion titles in the future, thanks. --Landfish7 00:11, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually, you're (Jo The Marten) right, I just looked up the opening for SoulSilver on Youtibe, and if it is underwater, the Silver one will be too. I blame the GameBoy's crap graphics. So, no proof for that trivia then. XVuvuzela2010X 00:14, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Well it doesn't help that Gold and Silver had the same background for the intro, just different colors. ^^; So while Ho-oh is in the clouds, it can look like Lugia is above a dark sky. But yes, I saw no solid evidence of their speculation so I removed the trivia. ^★Jo the Marten ^★ ಠ_ಠ 00:23, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Well I actually thought that Lugia was supposed to be flying over the waves of the sea, but I'm starting to get a bit off-topic now. So unless Ash0011 or someone else can provide evidence otherwise, no evidence for Lugia at least. XVuvuzela2010X 00:33, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

1 it's supposed to be silver a color commonly attributed to the moon #2 it is psychic and the whole thing about the moon and supernatural powers #3 it also can control water despite being psychic and the moon controlls the tides... need I go on--Ash0011 23:31, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Is it associated with the moon?
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Besides using Water-type attacks, Lugia doesn't control the seas, and has never been mentioned to.

XVuvuzela2010X 00:08, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

the water attaks are what I meant and it's also very so associated with water being refered to as king of the sea in the anime--Ash0011 01:18, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Required for Pokédex completion in DPPt?

Lugia and Ho-Oh were considered "Event Pokémon" for the duration of the 4th generation before HeartGold and SoulSilver were released. Were they counted in the completion of the DPPt Pokédex? If not, this would be worthy trivia. --Swagmander 03:56, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

That's almost certainly why they were considered event Pokémon. Werdnae (talk) 04:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

So... Were they required? - Swagmander 21:37, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, Pokémon marked as 'event' in the Dex coding are marked as such so that it still counts as a completed dex if they are not obtained. I don't know of any other reason why it would be necessary to mark them as such. Werdnae (talk) 04:24, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Possible Trivia?

Despite the fact that it has the ability to create powerful storms for days, it can not learn Hurricane. It was mentioned on the move's page, should it be also mentioned here, or is there no point in adding it? ---Insert Witty Dialog Here NateVirus(Talk) 04:38, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure it should be mentioned at all. Powerful storms doesn't necessarily mean a Hurricane. Werdnae (talk) 06:28, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Good point, just was wondering since that it is mentioned under the move's trivia. ---NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 03:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

reasons lugia and ho-oh represent the sun and the moon

Points that show lugia represents the moon: referred to as the king of the sea in the anime, uses water type attacks despite no water type affiliation(like the moon controls the tides, pictured underwater despite not having any other water type affiliation, it is silver (the color of the moon), its opposite ho-oh represents the sun. Ho-oh represents the sun because: it uses fire-type attacks, it bears a direct similarity to the phoenix (wich is commonly associated with the sun), its wings are the colors of the rainbow (bent sunlight) these two could have nothing to do with the sun and the moon, but with the given evidence the chances of that are astronomically slim--Ash0011 02:04, 18 October 2011 (UTC)