Talk:Xerneas (Pokémon)

Time to Create

I think we have enough to go ahead and kick off the two legendary Pokémon pages. (Other being Yveltal.) CycloneGU (talk) 15:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Because we don't know the types these Pokémon will have yet, we will be holding back the creation of their articles for now. Knowing the type of a Pokémon is basic information, but a relevant one when creating an article (mainly because of {{PokémonInfobox}}). Masatoshi_talk 16:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

By that argument, why are the starter pages created, then? Their official types have yet to be released as well (though being starters, they are obvious), and I'm sure that the two legendaries will be Dragon types to some degree (they definitely LOOK like Dragons). If this is wrong, it can always be changed! CycloneGU (talk) 18:26, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Citing them as dragons is far more speculative than the starters. There's nothing to suggest that other than what some may consider "tradition." For the starters, at least their primary types, are, with about 99% certainty, a given.GreatLiver (talk) 21:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I see that "Unknown" has been used. In a situation such as this, I believe this is a valid compromise allowing the page to be created. The template, on the other hand, seems pointless; after all, editing of all five existing new Pokémon pages is locked, and those who can edit them probably don't need to read the template as they already exercise those guidelines. (And please do not intent this, I outdented intentionally.) CycloneGU (talk) 01:43, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

The template is there for people reading the page, not for people editing it. It's basically saying "we don't know much yet, don't expect full details and don't be surprised if the stuff on here changes suddenly." Werdnae (talk) 02:35, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Redirect

Before the pages get ready, can I make the redirect pages already? the ones with pokemon instead of Pokémon, e.g. Yveltal (pokemon) redirect to Yveltal (Pokémon).--Igor (talk) 16:03, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I personally see barely any point in creating redirects to an inexistent article. It will create false positives shown in the search bar, misleading a lot of people. I suggest you to wait until we actually create the article. Masatoshi_talk 16:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Appearance description?

Is it too early to write a appearance description? We already know enough to write it.

So far Xerneas has x like pupils or markings in its blue eyes. The antlers seem to be crystal-like and we know its basic coloration. Yamitora1 (talk) 21:33, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that it's very similar to the Shishigami, a Deer God and a forest-spirit appeared in Princess Mononoke. But, well, I don't know if it's something canonical in the Japanese folklore or it just appeared in that movie. Tano (talk) 16:07, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Shaped Like the Letter "X"

Xerneas may in fact be based on a Chital, a type of deer, which is also known an the "Axis Deer", alluding to X and Y possibly being named after the X axis and Y axis of dimensions, as Generation VI are the first main-series games to be fully in 3D. It should be added that Xerneas' body is shaped like the letter "x", perhaps in the Trivia section. --Nintendo101 (talk) 22:56, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I was looking for this but did not see it. However, it has an "X" glint in its eyes. CycloneGU (talk) 01:41, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

If Xerneas sprawled its front legs, it would look like an "x". Plus, it is blue like the "x" in the Pokemon X Version logo and the top of the segments in said x have wavy lines that make it resemble the antlers on Xerneas. Additionally, Yveltal looks like the letter "y" from underneath and is red like the "y" in the Pokemon Y Version logo. --Nintendo101 (talk) 01:59, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

• The "X" glint in its eyes sound like something for the physiology section or something like that, though the "X" shape body or appearance might be more of a stretch than the "Y" shape is for Yveltal. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 21:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

All information is unknown

That's an overstatement. We know their names, for example... --Abcboy (talk) 22:58, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Trivia

Shouldn't it be noted that Xerneas and Xatu are the only Pokémon that begin with "x"? Mesuxelf 13:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

No. Yanma and Yanmega got mentioned because they were of the same evolution line.--ForceFire 13:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

What about Yamask? Mesuxelf 21:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

It's preferable to avoid trivia that could become untrue at the drop of a hat, e.g. with the release of a new generation. If you have too much volatile trivia, then it's hard to track it all down and update it when it becomes untrue. Besides, it's hardly notable. yeyjordan 00:58, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

What I meant was, if they are of the same evolution line, then it'll be notable. But since they are two Pokémon of entirely different species makes it unnotable. And while we do tend to avoid these sort of trivia, however, if the trivia still stands to today (such as Xatu being the only X-lettered mon until recently), then it becomes notable.--ForceFire 04:05, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Official Art

To use in place of screenshot, the official Sugimori art. Official Art Zond (talk) 12:55, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

That's the one cleaned by PokemonBattle.it. They also have Yveltal. The trivia should be fixed too, since Xerneas and Yveltal are confirmed to be also the Japanese names. Tano (talk) 14:47, 11 January 2013

Actually it doesn't, because th Japanese names means Katakana names, which have been unknown until today. Caciulacdlac (talk) 15:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

It's still the same name worldwide, not just the ENGLISH name. It was revealed on west official sites (both American and European), but it's not the English name, also French, German (and it was also revealed in those 2 countries at the same time) and Japanese. Also the pronunciation we have is Japanese (Xerneas is pronunced Zurneas). Tano (talk) 15:15, 11 January 2013

Xerneas's official Japanese name is "ゼルネアス" because it is used in the games, manga, TCG and so on. Either way, the trivia doesn't need fixing since it doesn't imply that the Japanese and English names are different.--電禅Den Zen 15:35, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Still, it's not just English, but also France, Spanish, German and Italian. It was announced at the same time on multiple sites all over the world. The fact that it's the same name doens't mean that it's the English name (also because it's just the romanized Japanese name). Tano (talk) 15:46, 11 January 2013

PokemonBattle.it provided another even cleaner official pic, removing a shadow that was on the page. Tano (talk) 16:47, 11 January 2013

Name Origin

How about "cervus" (from Latin, as French "cerf" is derived from it, like "cervo" in Italian or "ciervo" in Spanish) and Aeneas? Aeneas was a hero, opposed to "evil" from Yveltal. Tano (talk) 15:15, 11 January 2013 Xerneas -> Cer-neas -> Cervos + Aeneas. Tano (talk) 16:52, 11 January 2013

Imperial height and weight

Why haven't those metric height and weight been changed into imperial versions yet? It should be pretty easy to change them. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:40, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Probably waiting for official approximations. --Tano (talk) 17:10, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

3.0 m has been converted to 9'10" in all previous usages, so I've added that; however, I've left the others since they have not been used before. --SnorlaxMonster 16:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Using my Computer's calculator, Xerneas weighs 474lb (Rounded to the nearest tenth!) --KirbyRider (talk) 21:42, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Design origin

It's possible that the legendaries are based on the 3 germ layers. Here's a picture that explains it. http://imgur.com/Ztw2A Flintlock (talk) 08:19, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Should wait for "Z" to confirm that. My personal opionion? Unlikely. I still find it hard to believe they have something to do with X and Y chromosomes. As fas as we know, their design comes from the 2 letters X and Y (well, that's obvious), that's the only solid information. I can only see an analogy with the coordinate system: the Y axis points to the sky (so Yveltal is able to fly), while the X axis is on the ground. However that's probably a trivia or start point for a typing concept, not sure if it matters for the design origin. Personally I find it very similar to the Shishigami, a Deer God and a forest-spirit appeared in Princess Mononoke. But, well, I don't know if it's something canonical in the Japanese folklore or it just appeared in that movie. --Tano (talk) 14:58, 12 January 2013 (UTC)