Talk:Chespin (Pokémon)

It is so far the only Grass type Pokemon starter not based on a reptile. Chomper4 (talk) 13:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

• Feel more comfortable saying, "based on a mammal" rather than "not based on a reptile" (Oshawott had it worded that way, though that might be different :/ ). Guess that classification between dinosaurs, birds, lizards thing mixes up what classifies as a "reptile" for me. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 23:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Category

Category:Generation VI Pokémon needs to be added to the starters' pages. I'd have done it myself, but the pages are protected --PenBlooeR 14:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC

Name Origin

In the Name Origin section of the page Chespin is called "Chestpin" which I think is an error. I can't correct it because the page is protected. Water Max (talk) 16:02, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I think his name may be based on a porcupine too. Chestnut and porcupine. It may even look like a porcupine. Milde (talk) 16:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

It could be based on Chestnut and Spin, which is related to Sonic the Hedgehog, since all of the other languages have something related to hedgehogs. No? Dragonace (talk) 20:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I think Milde was right, is a porcupine (Spanish "puercoeSPIN") like the Kanto legendary birds ends with a spanish word. --EricZangano (talk) 06:21, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree with that. Since hedgehogs and porcupines are quite similar it wouldn't be surprising if its name was based on Chestnut and Puercoespín (Spanish for 'Porcupine'), they've used Spanish words for English names before so it wouldn't be that weird that they do that in this case. KyseL (talk) 23:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

"Chespin" is also an anagram of the word "pinches." A rubbish anagram of it, but an anagram nonetheless. I'm aware that this particular nugget might currently be too banal even for an internet wiki, but if we ever find out it evolves into something called Chessnat, then hey - looks like I've got anagram corner covered. Especially since it does look a little bit like a chestnut. With a squirrel inside. Do all chestnuts have that? Constantmotion (talk) 02:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

• Japanese: From hedgehog and chestnut
• French: From hedgehog and chestnut
• German: From hedgehog and chestnut
• English: From chestnut and pin?

??? --PenBlooeR 04:24, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

This is the main reason I think it might be an anagram! Usually I'd not say anything, given what a long shot that is, but there's got to be something clever going on with that name, it can't be from "pin," why would it be from "pin?" "Pinches" is the only other word I see in there. Pine, maybe, but chestnuts and pines are two different things. Although, maybe it's "Pin" as in "Porcupine?" With the E removed for consistency later in the evolution line. I don't know. I think Chespin's going to make a lot more sense when we see his brothers. Constantmotion (talk) 09:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I still think porcupine makes more sense than urchin. Isn't urchin a sea thing? --PenBlooeR 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I think they removed the "e" just for sound reasons. As other names are from hedgehog, the English one is from porcupine, but "Chestpine" wasn't good enough, so they removed the "e", since the sound is still the same. Tano User talk:Tano 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

What about about chestnut and spine? That fits with the other languages' hedgehog theme. - signed comment from GoldenCelebi (pedia talk • news talk • archives talk) 15:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Another name for hedgehog is urchin. It's got that "in" at the end. That's all I got. Edit: Apparently that infos already been added, oh well.Scarabola (talk) 15:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

I think that porcupines and hedgehogs are similar enough to allow the English origin to fit the other languages just with chestnut + porcupine. However pin is fine too, since it has something to do with porcupines and hedgehogs. --Tano (talk) 16:01, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

I think that Chespin's English name may be partially based on French like the Japanese name. A lot of French words end with 'in' (fin, butin, déclin, jardin, coussin, escarpin and hundreds more). Also, the French word for rabbit is 'lapin' while one possible name for a male rabbit (and hare) is 'bouquin' Chespin certainly appears to be based off rodents, which hedgehogs, contrary to rabbits and porcupines, are not. I've also heard rumors that Chespin's evolution is called 'Chespinne' which would be the natural French feminine form of 'Chespin', like a female rabbit is 'lapine' and a female lion is 'lionne' (the male form being 'lion'). There's just something about Chespin's name that seems to have a French air to it, and it would be easily pronounceable in French though the pronunciation would differ greatly from the English one. And the fact that Fennekin also has that very French-y suffix 'in' seems to confirm the speculation that the new region draws inspiration from France, at least partially. Maybe it should be added in the article that the French word 'marron' does not only mean 'chestnut' but also 'brown', the name including all shades of brown and not a particular shade like the English word 'maroon'. This could be a possible double entendre as Chespin is both brown and based on a chestnut. Though this may be reaching too far out, the primary meaning of 'urchin' in English is 'a young boy who is poorly or raggedly dressed' or 'a street boy' which would translate into 'gallopin' in French, according to google translate. 'Gallopin' is a slight pejorativ for a young, playful (street) boy like the English 'lout' or 'guttersnipe'. Another French word for the same concept is 'gamin. In my opinion, Chespin could in fact look a little like a playful and teasing male pokémon. Though there's likely no truth in this, Game Freak could have intended to play with the idea of the name that mischievous young boys share with hedgehogs: urchin. And Chespin could be the embodiment of this. - unsigned comment from Fredhigh (talk • contribs)

Gender ratio

Are we sure that's the gender ratio? We're not assuming it has Overgrow... --Abcboy (talk) 21:31, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Numbering

Following numbering tradition, can we assume that for now it's 650? --M.vit (talk) 23:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

No, because Snivy isn't 494, Victini is. We can't make any assumptions. --Purimpopoie (talk) 23:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Plus for all we know they might change up the order. Doubt it but who knows until they actually reveal officially. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 00:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree. They might change the Pokedex numbering, like they did with Black and White route numbering. I think we should just play it safe, and wait until they officially announce it. User:PokemonSeaandSky

Pokédex

Under Regional Pokédex numbers, why does it say Not in any regional Pokédex instead of unknown Pokédex since it has to be in a Pokédex and it is too early to put that it was not in one? PattyMan 23:30, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Design Origin

Shouldn't we add that it appears to be based on a chestnut and possibly a porcupine or hedgehog? --CoolDudeAl (talk) 01:30, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

• Yeah, it should also be trivia'd that it is the first grass starter not based off of a reptile. Chomper4 (talk) 03:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

• Or at least the first grass starter based off of a mammal. Weren't Bulbasaur and Chikorita based more on an amphibian and a sauropod respectively? Thought amphibians and sauropods were separate from reptiles. :/ need to brush up on my zoology ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 22:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

You're right, we know that dinosaurs are more similar to birds than to reptiles (they're not birds however), but if I remember correctly, in 90's that was still unclear. Well, Chespin is absolutely the first mammal-based Grass starter, unless it doesn't change in one of it's evolutions. Tano User talk:Tano 18:26, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

• I have to correct myself and NateVirus here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur -> "Rather, they represent a separate group of reptiles with a distinct upright posture". So dinosaurs are indeed reptiles, and so Bulbasaur and Chikorita are based on reptiles. Birds evolved from theropoda, a group of dinosaurs (still reptiles). I also asked a biologist friend of mine and he confirmed, making it sound pretty obvious. Tano User talk:Tano 18:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

So, yes, every single Grass-type starter was based on reptiles, as Bulbasaur is a Dicynodontia (a taxon of anomodont therapsids or mammal-like reptiles), and Chikorita (or rather Meganium) is a Brontosaurus, and both are reptiles. The others are a gecko, a turtle and a snake. Tano User talk:Tano 18:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

It's enough to simply say it's the first based on a mammal, rather than the first non-reptile. Like how Piplup is noted to be the first bird Water starter, and Oshawott the first mammal Water starter. It's a little redundant to note that Chespin is both the first mammal and the first non-reptile. Crystal Talian 04:09, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

They're both trivia of the same importance in my opinion. It's pointed out that before Chespin every other grass starter was based on a reptile. That's an information you can't grasp just by reading that Chespin is the first mammal. What are the others? birds and reptiles? No, they were all reptiles before Chespin, which is also the first mammal. It simply gives more (correct) informations. --Tano (talk) 16:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

• Still, it is probably simpler to stick with the "first mammal" bit. Plus, like Crystal Talian stated, Piplup was noted as the first water starter to be based on a bird, never any note of not being a reptile. Same with Oshawott who really was the second water starter to be not based on a reptile. Plus, saying Chespin is the first grass starter to be based off of a mammal isn't false, it is the first grass starter to be based on a mammal. Even if future Generations come out with other mammal-based Grass starters or even bird-based or just another reptile-based starter, Chespin is still the first one to be based off of a mammal. And on the note of sauropods and amphibians (the latter actually not being reptiles, which might bring up an unrelated question about Mudkip), the reason why I wasn't sure about the taxonomy is because of the different types of classifications and also because birds were once categorized as reptiles then somehow placed in their own class because of being warm-blooded (though I'm sure there is more to it than just than). Kinda confused me because dinosaurs are now considered warm-blooded and seem to have more in common with birds than reptiles in some groups, it is a number of "flip-flopping" in the sorting of these animals. And Bulbasaur, in some way drawing from its Japanese name, looks like a weird combination of different animals (not really sure what it is sometimes), with its pointed ears and its "frog-like" posture (well not always, I remember), I only thought it was a dinosaur because of its English name and that is a little deceiving (like Psyduck or Golduck). But I digress, let's just stick with the "first mammal" bit, it isn't going to hurt anybody. If people want to know about the others before it, there should be links to their pages. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 01:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

• Possible design origin. A chestnut inside a green chestnut shell. --Tano (talk) 21:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

I've seen that before, and that was my initial idea of its origin. Scarabola (talk) 02:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

"Was" vs. "were"

In the last sentence of the introduction, the word "were" should be replaced by "was" -- just a grammatical fix. EricDLee (talk) 02:12, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Language correction

Now my French isn't that great but marron is used to refer to the colour chestnut not the actual nut. châtaigne would be more accurate for the nut. Although Chespin would match the colour chestnut it might make good trivia. ~Elso133

I had definitely heard of marron used to refer to chestnuts and, according to Wikipedia, it specifically refers to ones of high quality.--MisterE13 03:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Trivia

And what mammal is chespin based on? Why don't we just say "Chespin is the only grass type starter that is not based on a reptile"? Mesuxelf 19:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

From the names, it implies to be based in a hedgehog. And to be honest, we should not focus on trivia right now. There are a lot more important things to take care of at the time. Masatoshi_talk 20:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Turtwig is based on a turtle, which is an amphibian. Chespin is not the only grass starter that is not based on a reptile.--Istanbul (talk) 20:53, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Turtles are reptiles. -- MAGNEDETH 21:08, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle "Turtles are reptiles of the order Chelonii" --Tano (talk) 21:37, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

• It is probably just simpler to leave it the way it is. It isn't a false statement. Piplup did it, though surprisingly it can be argued that Mudkip should have that mentioned, but I don't think that is the focus. It is the first grass starter mammal, let's just leave it at that. Sidenote: As stated before me, turtles are definitely reptiles. Amphibians go through a metamorphosis, turtles never do that. Also, amphibians can breath through their skin, turtles don't. They may both be associated with water and may have somewhat similar appearances but they aren't the same. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 01:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Artwork showing old version?

Am I the only one not seeing the correct artwork? The file page links to http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/46/Chespin.png but for me that shows the old screencap from the trailer (with the black background). Thumbnails show the regular art with white/transparent background. Same happens for Fennekin and Froakie. I've made sure to reload from the cache, and tried different browsers so it's definitely not that. DisgruntledGoat (talk) 23:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Wait. It takes a while for the artwork to be changed after it has been replaced on the Archives. Ataro (talk) 23:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, someone need to learn how to use their CDN properly ;) DisgruntledGoat (talk) 00:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

First not to be based on a mammal

Not very specific isn't it, Chespin is in fact the first grass type starte to not be based on a reptile Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 12:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

The answer/reasoning is at the top of the talk page. Bulbasaur alone makes it difficult to positively conclude they are all, in fact, reptilian, so it's safer to assume "it is a mammal," instead of assuming "it isn't a reptile." Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 15:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Possible addition to name origin...

Espinas is the spanish word for "thorns" and could be part of the name origin for Chespin.

Also, another possibility, though a more unlikely one, is that the "che" from chespin also comes from Chevalier, the French word for knight. However, I wouldn't put it on there unless it's confirmed that he is based off of a knight. Pacack (talk) 23:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

• egads, why did this duplicate? Pacack (talk)

It could be based on chesnut and pine,as in pineapple,or just pine.I mean its hair isss.......ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........pineaplly!--Shravs (Nuvema Gym) 15:38, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Multiple meanings are typically in the names, but I didn't even realize about pineapple xD Pacack (talk) 22:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)