Talk:Xerneas (Pokémon)

Time to Create

I think we have enough to go ahead and kick off the two legendary Pokémon pages. (Other being Yveltal.) CycloneGU (talk) 15:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Because we don't know the types these Pokémon will have yet, we will be holding back the creation of their articles for now. Knowing the type of a Pokémon is basic information, but a relevant one when creating an article (mainly because of {{PokémonInfobox}}). Masatoshi_talk 16:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

By that argument, why are the starter pages created, then? Their official types have yet to be released as well (though being starters, they are obvious), and I'm sure that the two legendaries will be Dragon types to some degree (they definitely LOOK like Dragons). If this is wrong, it can always be changed! CycloneGU (talk) 18:26, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Citing them as dragons is far more speculative than the starters. There's nothing to suggest that other than what some may consider "tradition." For the starters, at least their primary types, are, with about 99% certainty, a given.GreatLiver (talk) 21:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I see that "Unknown" has been used. In a situation such as this, I believe this is a valid compromise allowing the page to be created. The template, on the other hand, seems pointless; after all, editing of all five existing new Pokémon pages is locked, and those who can edit them probably don't need to read the template as they already exercise those guidelines. (And please do not intent this, I outdented intentionally.) CycloneGU (talk) 01:43, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

The template is there for people reading the page, not for people editing it. It's basically saying "we don't know much yet, don't expect full details and don't be surprised if the stuff on here changes suddenly." Werdnae (talk) 02:35, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Redirect

Before the pages get ready, can I make the redirect pages already? the ones with pokemon instead of Pokémon, e.g. Yveltal (pokemon) redirect to Yveltal (Pokémon).--Igor (talk) 16:03, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I personally see barely any point in creating redirects to an inexistent article. It will create false positives shown in the search bar, misleading a lot of people. I suggest you to wait until we actually create the article. Masatoshi_talk 16:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Appearance description?

Is it too early to write a appearance description? We already know enough to write it.

So far Xerneas has x like pupils or markings in its blue eyes. The antlers seem to be crystal-like and we know its basic coloration. Yamitora1 (talk) 21:33, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that it's very similar to the Shishigami, a Deer God and a forest-spirit appeared in Princess Mononoke. But, well, I don't know if it's something canonical in the Japanese folklore or it just appeared in that movie. Tano (talk) 16:07, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Shouln't the physiology say:

• Pokémon with an eight-horned set of antlers extending out from their head, four on each side

- unsigned comment from Pokeprof1 (talk • contribs)

Shaped Like the Letter "X"

It should be added that Xerneas' body is shaped like the letter "x", perhaps in the Trivia section. --Nintendo101 (talk) 22:56, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I was looking for this but did not see it. However, it has an "X" glint in its eyes. CycloneGU (talk) 01:41, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

If Xerneas sprawled its front legs, it would look like an "x". Plus, it is blue like the "x" in the Pokemon X Version logo and the top of the segments in said x have wavy lines that make it resemble the antlers on Xerneas. Additionally, Yveltal looks like the letter "y" from underneath and is red like the "y" in the Pokemon Y Version logo. --Nintendo101 (talk) 01:59, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

• The "X" glint in its eyes sound like something for the physiology section or something like that, though the "X" shape body or appearance might be more of a stretch than the "Y" shape is for Yveltal. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 21:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Xerneas may in fact be based on a Chital, a type of deer, which is also known an the "Axis Deer", alluding to X and Y possibly being named after the X axis and Y axis of dimensions, as Generation VI are the first main-series games to be fully in 3D. - unsigned comment from Personman42 (talk • contribs)

I would agree with this, it's exactly the sort of wordplay that GAME FREAK love. Plus, according to the Wikipedia page, they live in forests and grassland, exactly the sort of place where Xerneas was seen in the trailer. - signed comment from GoldenCelebi (pedia talk • news talk • archives talk) 15:55, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

It may be just a coincidence however. We are only sure that it's shaped after the letter X. I can see an affinity with the coordinates, but only whan we say that the X axis is on the ground, and the Y axis points to the sky (afterall those are 2 dimension, and the game is on 3DS, and the first 3D game). Then they took the only animal that could look like an X (or one of the few ones) and put it on the ground like the X axis. Onestly I don't think that the developers were aware of a deer called "axis deer" (wikipedia says "axis axis"). I also think that this legendary is shaped after a forest spirit, but we are discussing it in another section of this page. We should stop using this section, since it was discussing a trivia that has been added already. --Tano (talk) 16:17, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

All information is unknown

That's an overstatement. We know their names, for example... --Abcboy (talk) 22:58, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Trivia

Shouldn't it be noted that Xerneas and Xatu are the only Pokémon that begin with "x"? Mesuxelf 13:48, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

No. Yanma and Yanmega got mentioned because they were of the same evolution line.--ForceFire 13:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

What about Yamask? Mesuxelf 21:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

It's preferable to avoid trivia that could become untrue at the drop of a hat, e.g. with the release of a new generation. If you have too much volatile trivia, then it's hard to track it all down and update it when it becomes untrue. Besides, it's hardly notable. yeyjordan 00:58, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

What I meant was, if they are of the same evolution line, then it'll be notable. But since they are two Pokémon of entirely different species makes it unnotable. And while we do tend to avoid these sort of trivia, however, if the trivia still stands to today (such as Xatu being the only X-lettered mon until recently), then it becomes notable.--ForceFire 04:05, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't really count when Xerneas and Yveltal have the name in both versions. --NemesisSP (talk) 22:03, 15, July 2013 (UTC)

Official Art

To use in place of screenshot, the official Sugimori art. Official Art Zond (talk) 12:55, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

That's the one cleaned by PokemonBattle.it. They also have Yveltal. The trivia should be fixed too, since Xerneas and Yveltal are confirmed to be also the Japanese names. Tano (talk) 14:47, 11 January 2013

Actually it doesn't, because th Japanese names means Katakana names, which have been unknown until today. Caciulacdlac (talk) 15:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

It's still the same name worldwide, not just the ENGLISH name. It was revealed on west official sites (both American and European), but it's not the English name, also French, German (and it was also revealed in those 2 countries at the same time) and Japanese. Also the pronunciation we have is Japanese (Xerneas is pronunced Zurneas). Tano (talk) 15:15, 11 January 2013

Xerneas's official Japanese name is "ゼルネアス" because it is used in the games, manga, TCG and so on. Either way, the trivia doesn't need fixing since it doesn't imply that the Japanese and English names are different.--電禅Den Zen 15:35, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Still, it's not just English, but also France, Spanish, German and Italian. It was announced at the same time on multiple sites all over the world. The fact that it's the same name doens't mean that it's the English name (also because it's just the romanized Japanese name). Tano (talk) 15:46, 11 January 2013

PokemonBattle.it provided another even cleaner official pic, removing a shadow that was on the page. Tano (talk) 16:47, 11 January 2013

There was an error in the previous file. A small horn was left out (it's pretty hard to see in the scan, but it's there). This is a fixed version --Tano (talk) 20:51, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

• Official Art 300dpi with transparent background: Xerneas- unsigned comment from Tano (talk • contribs)

Here. Adyniz — Wanna talk? 18:35, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

That one has white matte all around. —Tano (talk) 21:16, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Name Origin

How about "cervus" (from Latin, as French "cerf" is derived from it, like "cervo" in Italian or "ciervo" in Spanish) and Aeneas? Aeneas was a hero, opposed to "evil" from Yveltal. Tano (talk) 15:15, 11 January 2013 Xerneas -> Cer-neas -> Cervos + Aeneas. Tano (talk) 16:52, 11 January 2013

Imperial height and weight

Why haven't those metric height and weight been changed into imperial versions yet? It should be pretty easy to change them. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:40, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Probably waiting for official approximations. --Tano (talk) 17:10, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

3.0 m has been converted to 9'10" in all previous usages, so I've added that; however, I've left the others since they have not been used before. --SnorlaxMonster 16:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Using my Computer's calculator, Xerneas weighs 474lb (Rounded to the nearest tenth!) --KirbyRider (talk) 21:42, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Design origin

It's possible that the legendaries are based on the 3 germ layers. Here's a picture that explains it. http://imgur.com/Ztw2A Flintlock (talk) 08:19, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Should wait for "Z" to confirm that. My personal opionion? Unlikely. I still find it hard to believe they have something to do with X and Y chromosomes. As fas as we know, their design comes from the 2 letters X and Y (well, that's obvious), that's the only solid information. I can only see an analogy with the coordinate system: the Y axis points to the sky (so Yveltal is able to fly), while the X axis is on the ground. However that's probably a trivia or start point for a typing concept, not sure if it matters for the design origin. Personally I find it very similar to the Shishigami, a Deer God and a forest-spirit appeared in Princess Mononoke. But, well, I don't know if it's something canonical in the Japanese folklore or it just appeared in that movie. --Tano (talk) 14:58, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

It may be too early to guess. I think that when their typings and the third monster is revealed their motif will be a lot more obvious. If this observation is correct then Xerneas would most likely be psychic to match the concept of neurons, Yveltal would most likely be fighting to match the concept of muscle tissue and the "Z Pokemon" may be poison which is the closest thing I can think of to match digestive system organs. There is no reason why they couldn't be derived from the 3 coordinates and the 3 germ layers. It's hard to dispute the fact that they do really resemble neurons and muscle tissues. It's just a matter of deciding if it was intentional. The Japanese Logo does have a picture of DNA, so a biology theme seems likely, but it is all just speculation based on observations right now. Even the X and Y thing, which I've seen disputed for similar reasons.

The comparison to the Shishigami is really interesting though. I'm trying to find more information to see if it was based on Japanese folklore. It wouldn't be the first time a Pokemon was based on a creature from Studio Ghibli (Snorlax and Garbador), but I can't tell if it's just a coincidence or not.Flintlock (talk) 01:36, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

I think that the origin of Generation VI in general was heavily based on Norse Mythology, in particular, Yggdrasil (The Tree Of Life). Xerneas is most likely based off of the four stags that feed off the low hanging branches of Yggdrasil named Dainn, Dvalinn, Duneyrr and Durapror. Each stag has a different color/element as seen in the antlers of Xerneas. PlatypusVenom (talk) 06:06, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

If so, there will probably be a Nidhoggr-based Legendary as well. In fact, I believe a serpent-like Legendary would confirm the theory. --KingStarscream (talk) 15:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

And a serpent could shape it's body into the letter Z, just like Yveltal is shaped like a Y and Xerneas is (kind of) shaped like an X. Yggdrasil as the design origin for the legendaries seems quite possible. I find myself almost hoping that it's true, because it seems to fit so perfectly. --Alex726_(TALK) 02:10, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Physiology

Wrote up a backbone for the Physiology section: << Xerneas is a large deer-like Pokémon with majestic cream colored horns on the top of its head, adorned with 24 glowing crystal-like gems and branches of many different rainbow colors, from red to purple. The upper side of its body, from shoulders to head, is blue in coloration, while the lower part is black. Its chin and the sides of his head are blue, while the upper part is cream as the bigger horns, except for a small blue colored section just above the eyes. It has light blue eyes with X-shaped pupil, wich have a cream colored markings that curve up, connecting to the main horns. The nose has a darker shade of cream compared to the top of the head. In addition to those cream colored horns there 2 smaller blue horns to the side of the jaw and another pair of even smaller blue horns just above the eyes. Its limbs are slender and shaped like blades, surrounded by a cream colored stripe which goes from the outermost part of the blade itself to the knees. It has 3 colored dots on his back, yellow, red and purple, just before a short pointed tail. >>

Feel free to use in the article, edit, or contribute. --Tano (talk) 15:52, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Spots on back

About this: "...the rest of their body is black with small, multicolored spots on their back..."

The spots on its back are reflections only. If they were actual markings, they would of had black outlines, which they don't. Could someone with permission edit that out? Angela-Samshi (talk) 23:02, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Official pronunciations

Has anyone else noticed that on the X and Y page, under the the Xerneas and Yvetal images, they have the names and pronunciations? Xerneas's is ZURR-nee-us. i mention this as i know there has been controversy over pronunciations before. i also know that the infobox has a pronunciation section. perhaps somebody could add this? _Volcronaperson_ 21:13, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

It'll be inconsistent in that Xerneas and Yveltal would be the only Pokémon with the pronunciation box while everything else doesn't. Also, adding the pronunciation box would make people add them on the other Pokémon pages as well. I think it's better to leave them out to avoid someone getting the wrong idea that we're allowing pronunciation on the infobox.--ForceFire 01:52, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Possible Megaloceros/Irish Elk?

I've noticed that Xerneas bears a lot more than just a passing resemblance to the largest species of deer to walk the planet, Megaloceros giganteus: better known as the Irish Elk.

Should this be noted in the origin section? I find it noteworthy that the Name Origin mentions Celtic influences, so this might not be too far of a jump in logic- The Megaloceros is referenced in Germanic and Celtic legend as the Shelch or Segh. In addition, Xerneas has a set of antllers that are ridiculously huge. It would be easy to pass it off as any cervid with large antlers, save for the fact that it is much larger than any currently living species(Save for the moose, which matched the Megaloceros in body size), so it isn't unreasonable to make a connection between the two.

Considering the current article states "Xerneas is based on some kind of cervid.", perhaps it would be for the better least a mention that Xerneas' design resembles the Megaloceros. Kamineigh (talk) 06:21, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Korean name for Xerneas

Until the page gets unlocked... here's Xerneas's Korean name: 제르네아스 Jereu'neaseu (Though, really, it's just "Xerneas") -- Nick15 (talk) 03:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Shala

Xerneas appears to be loosely based on the Mesopotamian god Shala. First of all, its basic shape and horns are slightly similar to a bull (although a deer is more likely). Also, its coloring is somewhat similar to electric blue, while Shala is the god of rain and thunder. Lastly, and most accurately, Shala's weapon is the lightning fork, to which Xerneas' forked horns and slight curves may be a reference. It should also be noted that Shala is the wife of Ishkur, on whom Yveltal may be based (see my comment on Yveltal's talk page). EpicDeino (talk) 21:47, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

First Legendary Fairy-type Pokémon

Since Xerneas was confirmed as being a Fairy-type, can someone post on the Trivia section that Xerneas is the first legendary Fairy-type Pokémon? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 02:26, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

What if they change the type of an older legendary? ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 02:59, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about that, but I believe that since they made a new Fairy-type, they have to make a new Plate for Arceus so it can become a Fairy-type when held. Can someone at least mention in the Trivia section that Xerneas was the first Fairy-type legendary to be revealed? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 03:51, 12 July 2013 (UTC)