User talk:Pumpkinking0192/Archive 1

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Thank you, and have a good time editing here!   Yamitora1 23:12, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Editing templates

Hi. Thanks for your correction in here, however, since this is a high-use traffic template, it means it's being used in +700 pages, and that could cause server stress. Imagine if you were editing a more complex template and you mess up, that could have been a trouble. Luckily, this one was simple enough. Next time, though, try suggesting the changes in the talk page, that way we'll look into it and make the edit entirely bug-free. Masatoshi_talk 02:30, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll be sure to do that in the future. :) Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 02:33, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Code of conduct

When using edit summaries, please don't make comments like this one in them. Good grammar is always a first priority here but be nice about it when you fix it. Not everyone here is a native English speaker here and can't always find a way to word things correctly. Telling them to "choke to death" is a little much. Thanks. --ケンジのガール 19:08, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Scyther and Porygon2

I was actually in an extensive debate about that base stat issue earlier, and I know that Scyther and Scizor actually have *equal* base stat totals. I accounted for that in the Porygon-Z note by specifying that Porygon-Z had lower values in certain stats, despite its base stat total being higher than Porygon2's. —βetA ZerØ 01:36, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah. I guess I read too quickly to absorb that particular clause. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 02:33, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

The Official Pokémon Handbook

The TM doesn't learn the move, so the phrasing "learned by TM" is incorrect. ("Learn" and "teach" are not synonyms, despite what street slang tells you.) He traveled by train. We got there by any means necessary. Charizard learned Dig by means of a TM. "By" indeed can be used as "via," "from," or "with." Don't insult my intelligence. I will admit that, in rewording "learnable," I forgot to put "by means of TM", but I don't feel like I deserved to be condescendingly criticized for it. Have some respect for people who actually add content to the wiki. Oh, and Kenji-girl was being extremely lenient—don't ever wish someone violence because of their writing, even in jest. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest (talk) 23:31, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay, take two steps back from this conversation and breathe for a moment. It's just the Internet. Only on very rare occasions do I actually think less of someone for a grammatical mistake (and usually I will call them out by name); in this case, as in most cases, it's a teaching moment for the benefit of anyone who looks in the history, which is why I explain it instead of just silently correcting it. But if you want to think I'm being actively malicious and uppity, fine; there's nothing I can do about your mindset. (And I really shouldn't provoke you by replying to that last statement, but I have to bring it up - if you disapprove of Kenji-girl's lenience, bring it up with her. It's fruitless to say anything to me about it.) Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 00:48, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

You clearly haven't learned your lesson since you expressed regret neither to her nor me. That behavior is unacceptable.

Fruitless? The whole point of this comment is to make you a better editor. I don't care that you corrected my grammar; I care that you put me down. I saw your other incident, so this is obviously an ongoing problem. Bulbapedia welcomes and thanks you for your contributions, just don't add superfluous commentary, whether you intend the attitude of your words or not. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest (talk) 08:08, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

If you're really that upset over an incident from months ago that didn't even involve you, then here goes: I'm sorry that I said something that, in the moment, was taken as far more extreme than it was intended. I can't guarantee that it won't happen again (after all, edit summaries can't be withdrawn after one rethinks), but as I'm sure you can see if you go to my user contributions, two incidents several months apart, out of hundreds of edits, does not an ongoing problem make. (Or do you have a problem with anything else I've said? If so, speak up. I'm glad to hear it.)

I'm really trying my best to be civil and listen to what you have to say, but your tone is making it kind of hard (which is a bit ironic, as you're complaining about my tone.) If you're a Bulbapedia staff member, I retract everything I'm about to say and am gladly corrected, but since your profile gives no indication of that, I don't see why you think it's your place to (1) bring up an incident from several months ago that an admin has already reprimanded me for, (2) decide that your judgment of that incident's severity is more important than that admin's judgment, and (3) decide that you have the authority to (3a) demand regret, (3b) determine whether something is "an ongoing problem", especially when nobody has commented on it since the initial incident months ago, (3c) judge what kind of behavior is "unacceptable", (3d) speak on behalf of Bulbapedia as a whole, and (3e) tell someone not to say something because you think it's "superfluous". I don't know Bulbapedia's talk page policies very well, but on most forums, we call that mini-modding, and it's sternly disapproved of. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:50, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

It "was taken as" far more extreme? You really aren't listening. Surely your forum experience should tell you that hoping someone gnaws off their own foot and chokes on it isn't exactly polite discourse. It was taken much more lightly than it should have been, contrary to your opinion. It's been dealt with, however, and I have no business in it other than to remind you again that you cannot speak that way to anyone for any reason, even terrible grammar.

I have no tone; I'm trying to get it in your head how to behave around here. If you don't care at all what anyone other than an admin has to say, fine; it'll save me a lot of time while you keep on your course. My judgment of the incident is my entitled opinion and exists because it relates to a current incident: the tone of your summary. Here I am trying to help you not seem like a unpleasant person, and you say I'm directing the whole wiki. A wiki formed by fans of mostly equal status trying to create a comprehensive and formal database of the Pokémon franchise. I'm making suggestions to you for the greater good. That's all. I've repeated myself plenty—this is my last message, regardless of whether you've taken my advice or not. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest (talk) 23:21, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

This conversation is over. Both of you need to take a step back and have some time away from each other. Werdnae (talk) 07:33, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Talk page conversations

You knew better than to respond. If you think you probably shouldn't reply, then don't. You're never going to get in trouble for not replying to something like that, but you can get in trouble if you do reply. I'd also appreciate it if you don't tell people how they should be acting, it tends to read as if it's an attack. Leave it to an uninvolved staff member. Thanks. Werdnae (talk) 07:33, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Image captions

In regards to this edit summary, the grammatical convention is to not use a full stop unless it is a sentence; in most cases, image captions aren't sentences (although there are exceptions). --SnorlaxMonster 18:40, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:20, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Berry Juice & Shuckle

Never knew Shuckle can make Rare Candy out of Berry Juice, but I'm going to try this anyways on my Pokemon Crystal to see if this urban legend is true or not.
Amanda113122 (talk) 05:29, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!

Per this edit. I'm facepalming so hard right now. Why didn't I think of that? Anyway, happy editing! --Landfish7 00:18, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Trvia

Stop removing Triva from the pages. It does NOT need to be unique. Trivia means interesting facts. Only 3 of 700 (maybe 800) is pretty unique too btw. BlackDragon 23:10, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

You seem to be fairly new here, so you aren't familiar with our consensus on trivia. To prevent trivia sections from ballooning out of control, we try to avoid things that apply to more than one Pokemon/evolutionary line/game/etc, since there are lots of things that apply to two or three things, and duplicating trivia across a lot of pages is repetitive and boring to read. We also try to avoid "first since..." or "only one except..." trivia, since these are basically just rephrasings of "not first" and "not the only one". (And no, anything other than 1 isn't unique at all. The definition of unique is that something is the only one.) Thanks for your enthusiasm, though! Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 23:35, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Ive been here longer than you have. Trivia does NOT mean unique. Its means INTERESTING, which they are. It does not have to be only one. Please stop removing them. BlackDragon 17:09, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Intimidation will get you nowhere. Yes, the definition of trivia used on many other wikis (especially on Wikia) is just anything interesting, but on Bulbapedia we try for a higher caliber encyclopedia. This includes, among other things, disallowing trivia below a certain threshold of notability, because otherwise they get uninteresting by the sheer massive volume of so-called "interesting" things that must be trudged through if a user reads the section. For trivia talking about how many of something fit certain criteria, our threshold is that only a single Pokemon, evolutionary family, or other unit can fit the criteria. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:05, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Grammatical dispute

Just to let you know that "was" means once it is but now not only. If using "was" in this sentence, it will lead a wrong message of any Pokémon other than Victini as the first one being available with this move. For example, once Victini is the first one being available with this move, but now, Rayquaza, not Victini, is the first one being available with this move. Fact is fact, and cannot be using any past tenses in a fact. Otherwise, wrong message may be lead. KyleRGiggs 08:16, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Also, the event ran once means the the event has already run, it does not change the fact that the event gives a Pokémon with the move out, as the move is currently occur. KyleRGiggs 08:24, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you plainly don't understand how a native English speaker would read it. With "is", the statement sounds stilted and wrong because the event is not currently happening. With "was", there is absolutely zero chance that someone could mistake it for saying that Victini and Rayquaza swapped spots, because the state of being first is not mutable. "Was" is simply normal encyclopedic use of the past tense to describe an event (a giveaway) that has already occurred. I'm sorry, but you're simply wrong about this. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 07:28, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Greeting

Hello, how are you today? Cinday123 (talk) 12:17, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

There's a talk page policy, you know. The above comment is supported by Spyspotter. 04:12, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but if you're going to reprimand people, please do it on their talk page, not mine. Thanks. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 04:56, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

This IS a talk page right? I'm a little confused at this. - unsigned comment from Neptunebmusic (talk • contribs)

This is my user talk page, yes. Talk pages are meant solely for discussing things to improve the wiki, which is why Cinday's comments above were inappropriate. Additionally, I'd prefer if you didn't resurrect old topics on my talk page if you don't have anything substantial to add to the discussion. Thank you. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 04:20, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Talk page

can u not edit my talk page unless you're adding a message. I hate getting notifications for no reason. thank u. --Reli★ジーランス? 18:31, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

If you would stop removing the nowiki tags, I wouldn't have to. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:33, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Ironically, there's a "no editing others talk comments" rule. --Reli★ジーランス? 18:37, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

This is a special case, as you've been repeatedly warned, and then blocked, for hidden comments. Putting nowiki around them removes the problem of visibility while leaving your <!-- --> tags intact to show other editors that the message was originally hidden. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:43, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Cedric Juniper

When you edited the part about his habits of not completing his sentences, I had that part on the talk page before about how he was doing so since the closed captioning indicated that he was getting interrupted (yet, the topic was left unanswered for awhile so I became bold and changed it to being interrupted). PattyMan 02:40, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Are closed captions technically canonical for things like that? I mean, I agree that how it was originally ("a habit of not completing his sentences") is wrong because he does complete them, albeit after the gang reacts to the first half. But it's pretty clear that he has a slightly different pattern of speaking than other people, and saying "he has a habit of getting interrupted" makes it sound like other people are the weird ones. You see what I'm saying? By pausing, he's the actor, not the actee. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 02:50, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Closed captions helped out with dub name spellings instead of playing by ear the spelling of the character, so I find them canonical. Now I see what you're saying about Cedric Juniper's sentences. I did find the part about not completing them wrong as well. If the talk page post of Cedric Juniper was answered, I wouldn't have placed interrupted as his habit. PattyMan 03:19, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

New section

Okay.--JasonL 18:29, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Relicant

can u stop callin me Relicant? thank. --Reli★ジーランス? 19:04, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Your username is Relicant. I'm calling you by the name you chose to go by on Bulbapedia. If you want to change that, contact an admin and ask them to change your username. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:17, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

No, my name is ReliGlanth. Call me that instead. --Reli★ジーランス? 19:24, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to continue to call you by your username, just like I call everyone. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:26, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

BW123 Trivia

Team Rocket blastoff: There have only been a handful of times that they have been forcibly blasted off in Best Wishes. None of the other such phrases (like "This is one of the few episodes in which Team Rocket don't recite their motto in any form") indicate the number of occurrences. The example I just gave shows up on the Trivia sections of most episodes of tournaments, important plot arcs, etc. If anything, it's more notable than the occurrences of mottos.

Giovanni giving praise to the Trio is absolutely notable.

The Team Rocket Trio should be referred to as a plural noun. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest 17:47, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

All of those other trivia should be deleted, then. If it's not restricted to the first or only time, there's a gray area where it's completely arbitrary how many times are few enough to be considered unusual/noteworthy. Note that the consensus on game-related articles is that if something happens more than once, it's not notable in the trivia section. I don't see why this shouldn't be applied to the anime as well.

Again, if this is the first time Giovanni has praised the trio, it is notable, which is why I hid it until that can be determined instead of deleting it outright. If he has praised them before, it's no longer trivia-worthy (although I agree that it is significant to their story arcs and should perhaps be brought up on a talk page somewhere as a potential addition to the "major events" headers).

Thanks for the copyedit. I changed "the trio" to the TRT template and forgot to preview to check what it results in. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:56, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree for that kind of trivia. TRT aren't even that important to the anime. If it was something like "This is one of the few episodes without a single Pokémon battle" or "…in which a character is threatened with death", then yes, that is notable. I had just thought that TRT blasting off was pretty rare for Best Wishes.

I've seen every episode of every series but DP, and I've never heard him genuinely praise them and end the conversation in a good mood (the closest is when they've spoken in the middle of a mission that hasn't failed yet but will). --IWannaBeTheVeryBest 18:47, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, they blasted off in at least four consecutive appearances (BW109, 110, 112, and 113; they didn't appear in 111), which to me means it's less "they're doing a rare thing more often" and more "this isn't rare anymore".

Other than occasional original series episodes in childhood, I haven't seen anything before BW001; I'll take your word for it and unhide that, then. From what I've read on this wiki, it doesn't seem like they did anything praiseworthy in DP, so the odds are likely that this is the first time ever. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:00, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Black Tower & White Treehollow Trainer Pool Data

Sorry for bringing up an old topic that may have already been resolved but Bulbapedia is a wiki that strives to have as much accurate information as possible. In my opinion, it is better to have the data for all trainers besides boss trainers on the pages because although it is long, they are still information that has been programmed into the game. The reason that other battle facilities don't have info on their regular trainers is because they don't have a selected pool of Pokemon like the Black Tower/White Treehollow does (right?). We can still make the information non-misleading by keeping the statement that states how what two Pokemon the trainer has is randomly selected. And if that causes the page to get too long, then we can create separate pages for each floor that lists each trainers and their potential Pokemon on each floor. What do you think about that? Arceus101 (talk) 04:22, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

The thing is that there is an enormous number of these Trainers, each of which has a pool of dozens in many cases, and nobody seems to have code-dived to get all the info yet except Serebii, whose information we're not allowed to use or even reference. If the information was reasonably complete, I'd say put it in the article in an expandable table. Until then, I think it's best to keep the tiny, tiny amount of information we've gathered so far off the article because it's functionally useless. If you want to work on it in the userspace, that's your prerogative, but frankly since I don't have the ability to look at the code to do it methodically and make sure nothing's been omitted accidentally, I've completely given up on listing the Trainers.

Other battle facilities may very well also have selected pools for Trainers. I haven't looked into them enough to know. (I feel like I remember seeing someone confirm that the Battle Subway, at least, does preconstructed teams. I don't remember where I saw it, so I don't know how reliable that information might be, sorry.) Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 04:32, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

The Battle Subway does have preconstructed teams. There's a list of them somewhere, probably on Smogon. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 04:36, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Well whatever the case is, I believe that both the Battle Subway and the Battle Tower/White Treehollow ought to have the info for the trainer pools if they exist. I believe that the organized way to accomplish this goal is to either make an expandable table on the pages or create separate pages for each area. As of now, I'm partaking on a separate project for the Pokemon Adventures manga so after I'm done with that, I'll try to work with the pool of trainers on my userspace. I would REALLY appreciate some help but if you guys feel that the work is long and/or unnecessary, then that's fine too. Arceus101 (talk) 05:11, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

BW: Adventures in Unova

Not sure how I messed up while editing the Adventures in Unova page by adding that thing from the talk pages. All I had meant to do is add the important stuff from BW136, but my computer was acting really slow at the time. Torpoleon (talk) 22:18, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Best Wishes

That what you were looking for? Werdnae (talk) 21:28, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Ah, yes! Thanks! In retrospect, that's something I really should've gone to the list of link templates to figure out instead of complaining in an edit summary... Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 22:00, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Hello and welcome to Bulbapedia! Using misleading edit summaries is considered a bad practice. Please try to be both truthful and brief when providing edit summaries in this Wiki. Also the "Undo revision" title you used in the article Alder is incorrect and does not fully describe your changes. Please try to be more careful in the future. Thank-you! --Det (talk) 23:49, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

...That edit summary didn't contain "Undo revision". My previous one did because I hit the "undo" button (which automatically puts the "Undo revision" snippet in the edit summary box) and then made further edits, which is a routine practice and not at all against the rules. I don't see what your problem is. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 23:53, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

P.S. Please don't patronize me with that "welcome to Bulbapedia" nonsense. You can see very well from this talk page and my user contributions that I have been here over a year. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 23:54, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I apologize. It wasn't clear to me from your mistake how long have you spent your time here. Additional edits should not be done under the "Undo revision" heading, but instead under a different title or a completely different edit. Thank-you! --Det (talk) 01:01, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

There is absolutely no rule against doing additional edits while undoing another edit, and in fact it is recommended to do any edits at one go, including reverts. Please do not give false warnings. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 01:05, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank-you for this information. Please note that what you said makes no sense at all. --Det (talk) 01:20, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

When one clicks "undo edit," it pulls up the editing screen and he or she can then make any additional fixes they see before saving the page. We like to see single edits doing lots of useful things to a page instead of a lot of edits clogging up the history of the page and the recent changes. The edit summary for undoing the edit is automated, and is typically left to show that a previous edit was, in fact, removed, even if additional things were changed. This is what User:Funktastic~! meant: that as Staff, we like seeing users be as efficient as possible when editing pages, and we highly recommend combining multiple edits to the same page when possible. ^Maverick_Nate 01:47, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Userspace policy

Please note that the states Userpages are personal pages, and are not to be edited by other users unless prior permisson has been given. Instances in which this is permitted include, but are not limited to, broken links that appear on the wanted pages, duplicate images on the Archives, uncategorizing a userpage categorized in a category it should clearly not be in, reverting vandalism, etc. You violated that policy when you took it upon yourself to make this edit. You should have notified a staff member and let them take care of it, not try to correct them by removing the content yourself. Please keep this in mind during the future. Thank you. --Pokemaster97 02:26, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

I made that edit because IMO false information is effectively vandalism (which is part of the exceptions you just listed), but point taken. I will refrain from removing false information from others' user pages in the future. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 02:33, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Medal offices

Posting it here so I won't have to clog up the page with an edit and if I opened a post on the talk page of the page you wouldn't have noticed, it's ok if you delete this after you read it. About the Medal offices name on the Friendship page I used that name because it's the same one in the Castelia City page, hence why I thought it was the most apropriate. And thank you very much for the changes you did, it looks much more clean, I'm still getting to know the Wikicode better! --EtherealAether (talk) 19:58, 14 August 2013 (UTC)